Comments on: On Immigration (& Other Things), Athena Gets It

By: Ted B. (Charging Rhino)

Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:40:37 +0000

Everyone says “control the border”, but no-one’s willing to pay the expense and accept the social and legal ramifications. Just as no-one’s really-willing to accept the consequences of rounding-up the 12-20 million illegals here in the US and actually forcibly deporting them. I just don’t see either happening in “this” America.

The part of the equation that I find horrifying is the contrast between those who DID walk across the desert just to reach the Border; and the tens of millions of native-born who scorn our school systems’ free education, spurn jobs as either “beneath them” or as “too difficult” to commute to, live supported at US-Taxpayer expense as “unemployable”…yet their civic “leaders” bray the loudest about the “Salvadoran maid” at the local Marriott.

Amnesty? Perhaps we are attempting to deport the wrong-portion of the underclass. How do I balance the claim on the “American Dream” between someone who crossed deserts and barbed-wire fences to get a job, a home and the American Dream for their families…against those who drop-out, reject making an effort, yet feel “entitled”?

Harsh? Why are the construction sites and landscaping crews mostly Hispanic, while only a few miles away are intercity neighborhoods full of underemployed able-bodied native-borns? Is this an economic problem…or a cultural-one? Or, the “6000-pound elephant in the room” that no-ones willing to recognize as there. People follow jobs…change who gets those jobs and you change the dynamic, otherwise you are dealing with “hydraulic inevitability”. like King Canute at the shore-line.

By: Peter Hughes

Peter Hughes — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:59:32 +0000

#5 - Well, figuratively speaking, she has always referred to Ronald Reagan as a “father figure,” so if you want to say that in existential terms she “sprang from his head” (i.e. the Oval Office), then you would be right on!

What she lacks in physical armor she makes up for in mental toughness.

Regards,
Peter H.

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By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:54:34 +0000

I totally agree, John. I’m not sure what Bush is thinking if he honestly believes that by claiming he’ll spend 4.4 billion on enforcement, that he’ll get what he wants.

To paraphrase the Good Book, until I see those additional 20,000 border guards with my own eyes and put my hands on the newly-upgraded fence and the fleet of buses returning illegal immigrants who refuse to turn themselves in to Mexico, I will not believe.

By: John

John — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:49:03 +0000

Ah, but did Peggy spring from her father’s achin’ head in full battle gear? Perhaps…
The reason why they won’t do border security first is obvious: they don’t want it. They want open borders and don’t give a damn what the American people want. It’s very clear that they are only throwing in tidbits for border security to buy votes in Congress and soothe the savage electorate with false promises. I do not trust the lot of them and prefer to see this bill die a horrible death. Secure the border first through existing law or something good added on, let’s see the results and then we can go back a hash out the rest. Until then, no dice.

By: Peter Hughes

Peter Hughes — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:33:32 +0000

And slightly off-topic, but between the goddess Athena’s “Olympian ideals” and our discussions of Wonder Woman, it seems we’re veering off into mythological territory. Which, incidentally, I enjoy immensely.

Regards,
Peter H.

By: Peter Hughes

Peter Hughes — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:06:20 +0000

#1 - “Conservative,” my aunt Fanny. Heck, even when GWB was elected governor here in 1994, we all KNEW he wasn’t conservative. He was just more conservative than Ann Richards - which is why he won.

In fact, by 1996 we had people calling local talk-radio complaining that GWB wasn’t conservative ENOUGH.

Plus, you have to remember that this is the same president that spawned conservative frustration over:

� Creating the Department of Homeland Security, originally an idea of then-Democratic Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT).
� Picking up the veto pen only twice in his six years in office, despite massive spending bills that could and should have been vetoed.
� No Child Left Behind, the product of bipartisan cooperation with the very liberal Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA).
� Campaign Finance Reform
� Harriet Miers
� Botching the push for Social Security privatization
� Failing to use his political capital to push for a thorough overhaul/reform of the maddeningly complex federal tax code.

And those are just the ones that immediately come to mind.

No wonder the only topic that all GOP presidential contenders agree upon is the War on Terror.

Regards,
Peter H.

By: Bruce (GayPatriot)

Bruce (GayPatriot) — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:50:47 +0000

Amen, Tom.

Fool us once…. shame on us.

Fool us twice…. Bush-whacked.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:38:55 +0000

Peggy Noonan is a goddess, but I do take exception with;

“Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative..”

Before 911, Bush touted himself as the “Education President”- campaigning on more Federal involvement in education. In 2003, he promised a massive prescription drug plan if elected. He keeps his word, we just don’t listen.