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  7. hmmmmm….seems I recall last year that it was also a conservative who started the nasty responses with the regard to the 4th of July celebrations. and kudos for the the ultra-nasty response from one of the most negative folks on this board.

  9. Here’s a good reflection of America from a typical Lefty. (I wonder if this person is also a member of HRC or NGLTF??)

    http://www.progressive.org/media_mpzinn070106

    On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

    Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.

    We need to refute the idea that our nation is different from, morally superior to, the other imperial powers of world history.

    We need to assert our allegiance to the human race, and not to any one nation.

    Lovely.

  11. Any sense of offense at comment #3 is far outweighed by the entertainment value provided by the sputtering faux-outrage of the house’s left-wing jackanapes.

    Free speech. It’s a wonderful thing.

  12. #12 – Right on, V da K. “Free speech” to liberals means “agree with what I say or you get re-educated.”

    Happy birthday, America!

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  13. Free speech goes both ways. Since when does any conservative here not feel free to criticize what someone else has said. So I’m forced to conclude that conservatives here embrace the sentiments expressed in #3. Not surprising but it really establishes that the GOP “outreach” to Hispanic Americans has been a fraud all along. And I think Hispanics are starting to see that.

  14. I’m trying to cut through Ian’s shrill Lindsey Graham-esque histironics…

    I don’t recall “Sean A” being named as chair of the GOP’s Hispanic Outreach. I must have missed that press release.

    Please provide it, Ian S.

    Otherwise…. please Move On.org.

  15. Ian, do you even realize what a joke you are? These constant caricatures you make where Democrats are always the essence of all that is good and pure and Republicans are always EVIL and MALEVOLENT are so ridiculous and such an insult to any thinking person’s intelligence, it’s hard to believe even you buy the blather that you constantly spew. Thanks for the laughs, though.

  16. I love how “Pouty Brown Sugar” Ian is suddenly shrieking about other peoples’ statements supposedly being “racist” and “insulting”.

    And Ian, would you please expound on what “sentiments” you see in post #3? I’m pretty sure it’s going to be entertaining….especially in light of how commentor “arturo fernandez” apparently supports your Democrat view of full amnesty and no punishments whatsoever for illegal immigrants.

    Arturo hasn’t spoken to me since I pointed out his beliefs, inasmuch as he demands that we provide everyone else full amnesty and automatic citizenship, but defends Mexico’s laws, which deny ANY legal protections to illegal immigrants, allow citizens to arrest and detain anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant, and completely deny illegal immigrants the right to buy land or hold jobs.

  17. Bruce, Wonder Woman and her ilk are still gunning to get the Fairness Doctrine enacted, so they can “regulate” our free speech.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  18. #17:

    shrieking about other peoples’ statements supposedly being “racist” and “insulting”.

    Mind you, I never said anything of the sort. But lying about what people say is SOP for NDT. But hey, I gave you guys the chance to object to “Sean A’s” expressed sentiments. None of you saw fit to do so, rather you attack me. Fine, far be it for me to object to the conservatism’s descent into nativism.

  19. Mind you, I never said anything of the sort.

    Mhm.

    Will no conservative commenter or poster here decry #3’s hateful comment?

    And farther down:

    Fine, far be it for me to object to the conservatism’s descent into nativism.

    Funny, you aren’t saying the same about the bill your governor just signed, which is the legislative equivalent of Sean A’s comment.

    And again, “Pouty Brown Sugar”, when do you intend to tell us exactly what YOU read into that comment, as I asked you to do?

  20. #20:

    you aren’t saying the same about the bill your governor just signed,

    No, because it goes after the employers who hire people aren’t entitled to work here. It’s a position I’ve always supported. #3 was a hateful comment that even used an implied obscenity to someone who had I thought wished America well. But, like I’ve indicated, I think the responses on this thread have been revealing and I don’t feel the need to comment further.

  21. “I think the responses on this thread have been revealing and I don’t feel the need to comment further.”

    I’ll believe it when I read it, Wonder Woman.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  22. Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as… uniquely moral… [bringing] liberty, democracy…

    And indeed, our nation is so. And that self-perception is the essential thing that lefties must tear down and destroy, at any cost, for their project of one-world socialism – the enslavement of all to them, the lefties – to come off.

    We need to refute the idea that our nation is different from, morally superior to, the other imperial powers of world history…

    Oops, they beat me to it. They already understand fully what they must do.

  23. P.S. I look forward to their claims / demonstrations that such imperial powers as Rome, China, Japan, Josef Stalin, Russia under the Czars, Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, and the various incarnations of expansionist Islam were, in fact, bringers of women’s rights, gay rights, liberty and… democracy.

  24. “Arturo hasn’t spoken to me since I pointed out his beliefs, inasmuch as he demands that we provide everyone else full amnesty and automatic citizenship, but defends Mexico’s laws, which deny ANY legal protections to illegal immigrants, allow citizens to arrest and detain anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant, and completely deny illegal immigrants the right to buy land or hold jobs.”

    Just for the record, at entry dated June 28, comments 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (Amnesty Is Dead…) you can find out who really (a) stopped speaking to whom and, more importantly, (b) who favors Mexico’s immigration laws.

    Viva the U S of A. Even with North Dallas Thirty around. And Sean A.

  25. #25: Hi arturo, I figured whatever NDT claimed, the truth would be pretty much the opposite. That’s his M.O. for sure. For the lazycons present, here’s a link to your conversation with the Notorious Double Talker. Seems pretty clear to me that Notorious Double Talker was the one who slithered off in a huff. I wonder if Notorious Double Talker will slither away again. LOL!

  26. Subtle, yet ineffective, arturo and Ian.

    To whit, my statement here.

    I think the United States should put in place exactly the same immigration laws that you and your fellow leftists support in Mexico.

    In fact, I would love to see what happens if US citizens were given the same power as have Mexican citizens to make an arrest on illegal immigrants and turn them over to the authorities.

    That was when, arturo, you tried to attack me, rather than explain your support for Mexico’s laws.

    I would like to emphasize that you said that you love what Mexico does and want it for the US.

    The threat to democracy and liberty that we are seeing is dangerous indeed. Shame.

    Notice that you never once said that you opposed Mexico’s laws — you just attacked me for allegedly supporting them.

    My take was simply this; the US should impose exactly the same laws as Mexico, since you (and Ian, for that matter), have never once called THEM “racist” or “nativist”.

    And as for Ian’s spin about supporting immigration controls, notice what else he and his party support. ‘Nuff said.

  27. Oh Notorious Double Talker, you’ve posted that hoary old link far too many times as you twist and spin your position on immigration. I on the other hand have been consistent in my support of employer sanctions and the Arizona law is a step in the right direction. Somehow I doubt you support such laws since I seem to recall you throwing a real hissy fit on that subject. BTW, did you ever categorically deny hiring undocumented workers? I honestly don’t remember.

  28. It’s not subtle, and it wasn’t an attack.

    I’m restating what you said. You want Mexico’s immigration policies for the US. You want them for the US because you believe they’re good policies, which means you believe Mexico’s immigration policies are good ones, you support them.

    I don’t want them for the US because, obviously, I think they’re bad policies. For Mexico, for the US, and for China. I don’t have to say I oppose those policies for China, because it’s my belief they’re bad policies, period.

    If you feel that repeating back to you what you said is an attack, it is because what you said is a very bad thing. I have no reason to attack you. I don’t dislike you. I’m just trying to figure out what is right and what is fair. That’s why I have never said your side is motivated by racism, which I don’t believe it is.

  29. Speaking of nativism, who is it, in Congress, that’s giving their usual middle finger to Peru, Colombia, Panama and SoKo on trade matters? Why it’s none other than the liberal left and that includes Algore who snubbed Alvaro Uribe.

    They were for it as long as it made them look like good leaders in Congress, but they were against it once they realized they didn’t have the cajones to support what the AFL/CIO opposes.

  33. Just a reminder for everyone – Wonder Woman made the following comment up at #21:

    “I think the responses on this thread have been revealing and I don’t feel the need to comment further.”

    Yet she still went ahead and broke her promise not 6 comments further.

    So why should we trust anything else she says? I for one don’t. She has been fully discredited.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  35. I just quoted you in my posting, Wonder Woman. Quit trying to emulate your heroes the Clintons and stop lying. And please get over your massive egotism – contrary to your delusional belief, the world does not revolve around you.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  36. So why should we trust anything else she says? I for one don’t. She has been fully discredited.

    Well I know she doesn’t have the cajones to actually answer my questions. No doubt if she references them at all, it will be to claim that she missed it.

    Guess those bracelets deflect any hard questions as well.

  37. Oh Notorious Double Talker, you’ve posted that hoary old link far too many times as you twist and spin your position on immigration.

    Mhm — because it makes clear what your Democrat Party really believes and does.

    I on the other hand have been consistent in my support of employer sanctions and the Arizona law is a step in the right direction.

    Except when it comes to Democrat labor unions who forge documents and hire out illegal immigrants, such as in the construction trades.

    Please state, Ian, that Democrat labor unions who act as employment referrals for illegal immigrants should be stripped of their right to operate and their leaders jailed.

    Somehow I doubt you support such laws since I seem to recall you throwing a real hissy fit on that subject. BTW, did you ever categorically deny hiring undocumented workers? I honestly don’t remember.

    One, the Arizona law lacks two things — criminal penalties for those who forge documents and a safe harbor provision for companies who a) are the victims of document fraud and b) the victims of the Democrat Congress’s refusal to allow workers to be fired for providing suspect documentation.

    Meanwhile, Ian, why are you lying about me and stating that I hire illegal immigrants? Please provide your proof on this subject, or I will formally request that you be banned.

  38. I’m restating what you said.

    Of course you are; the actual words, which are good enough for everyone else, are dry and dull, and more importantly, don’t fit your fantasy.

    Next up:

    I don’t want them for the US because, obviously, I think they’re bad policies. For Mexico, for the US, and for China.

    Then one would think you would actually be saying and doing something about them in Mexico where they are currently in effect.

    But instead you attack the United States for policies which, if they were enforced, would STILL be more lenient than Mexico’s.

    My point remains. Illegal immigrants are in our country illegally. You and your fellows, while demanding we provide Mexican and other citizens with jobs, free healthcare, and free education, all subsidized by OUR taxpayers, are saying nothing about them hermetically sealing THEIR borders and stripping OUR citizens of rights when they are abroad in those countries.

    People who come here legally are entitled to all of those things. People who come here illegally are not. Deal with it.

  39. It is you who attacks the United States, wishing it to imitate Mexico, whose people have to leave it to make a better life. I’m defending the United States from your attacks.

  40. It is you who attacks the United States, wishing it to imitate Mexico, whose people have to leave it to make a better life.

    Then one would think if people have to leave Mexico because their lives are so awful, you would be hammering on Mexico to do something about that fact.

    Instead, you yell and scream because the United States is not obediently cleaning up the mess that leftist policies and Democrat-esque ideologies created in Mexico.

    I’m defending the United States from your attacks.

    Get this through your head; the United States is not the world’s welfare tit. Your trying to make it so — especially for a country like Mexico that is sitting on billions upon billions of dollars in oil wealth — is an attack on it.