I have to wonder why a report like this isn’t being put together by NBC News with all of the “worldwide resources” at its disposal? (h/t – Gateway Pundit)
And, earlier this week there was dancing in the streets in Anbar province. Iraqi civilians, police and army units celebrate the “Anbar Awakening” with US troops.
Where is the responsible reporting on Iraq progress in our Mainstream Media.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
“News” like this just doesn’t fit the defeatist, “military”=”evil” world-view of the MSN and their running-dog fellow-travelers, the Dhimmicrats. But you can bet that they’ll give you the weekend death-toll before the first commercial break tonight. And have you noticed that they’ll often reference “this week” or “the last few days”, or “this weekend” so they can double- and triple-count the Fallen to further scare Middle America in front of their TVs at the dinner-hour.
and yesterday, the Prime Minister of Iraq announced that US troops (notice he didn’t say coalition forces, but US Troops) can go anytime they want. What do we do we that? The elected leader of the country wants us to leave now. Why is it most of the world has recognized that this country is in the throes of a 3-faction civil war yet Bush and company refuse to accept that? We screwed it up by not catching Bin Laden and his forces in Afghanistan years ago and we went inot this mis-guided operation.
It is typical arrogance of our fairly well protected country to have believed (or at least proported to the public) that things would be all hunky-dory once Huessin was deposed. If those morons so laughingly called the leaders of our military and state department had looked at this country, they would have been able to easily predict the civil war that’s ensued since Huessin’s fall. Our presence there is only continuing to anger fatins on all sides because of our interference.
And you wonder why it’s so easy for terrorists to cultivate hatred towards the US from birth? They don’t hate us for our freedom; they hate us for our interference in the middle east. This is a feeling of amny people throughout the middle-east, but frankly it took the horror of insane terrorists to bring this hatred to the surface. Seriously, if we could get off of oil and develop other sources of energy, then perhaps all this mess could end.
Um, Kevin when did anyone say that things would be all hunky-dory once Hussein was deposed? I can’t recall any Administration spokesman saying as much.
***Where is the responsible reporting on Iraq progress in our Mainstream Media.***
It’s not appropriate to use “responsible reporting” and “Mainstream Media” in the same sentence. It’s almost like a glaring grammatical error.
Wow Bruce, you’ve convinced me! Of course, I assume that you got that video from a totally honest source. There’s another sign of great progress you forgot about and that’s the Iraqi government taking the entire month of August off. They certainly would have continued working if things hadn’t been going extremely well, wouldn’t they? And that flood of green in the video inundating the provinces of Iraq – man, that Iraqi army sure can do a lot with only 6 batallions (down from 10 in March) capable of operating independently. Well, at the rate that green stuff is spreading, I expect the entire country will be covered by the fall. That means the Iraqis will be “leading” and/or in control of the entire country. Give another few months for solidifying the control and we’re into early 2008. Meaning of course, that we can begin to redeploy our troops by the end of the year and have it complete by the end of April of 2008, just like Harry Reid and the Senate Dems have proposed. Thanks Bruce! My confidence in you is restored. 🙂
Kevin
Why do we have to get off of oil? It is estimated that we have enough in Alaska to last 100 years and if that is not enough, there is plenty up and down the California Coast. Long before we could use this, sources of energy will be developed and then “all of the mess could end”.
First: I suspect there is a typo “lead” should be “led”
Second:
I just don’t see what the point of this surge is. Our troops will have all the successes in the world but when its all said and done, the Iraqis still have to govern. Do the Sunnis and Shiites coalesce into one happy country? Do the Kurds fall in line and happily give up their autonomy to the Shiites? Will Sunnis allow Shiite cops in their neighborhoods?
All of the above is not likely.
So then what? Why not save US lives and money, pull back and hit the small amount of Al Qaeda forces in Iraq? Sunnis Kurds and Shiites have mostly separated themselves already, so formalize it and move on.
#7:
Where is that estimate? From what I can find, Alaska might have 35 Billion barrels of oil total. The US consumption today is 20 million per day or just over 7 billion barrels per year. So Alaska in the best case scenario could supply about 5 years not 100 years of US needs.
Ian s
I lived in Alaska and met many petroleun scientists. There is where I got my information. Where did you get yours? I can guess. Why would any oil company want to spend billions in drilling and piping the oil out if there wasn’t any there?
4: Yes, in fact we were. Bush and company told us that we would be welcomed with open arms, that there would be flowers at the feet of our soldiers, etc, etc. Hasn’t exaclty worked out that way has it? Then again a marine is now testifying that all marines have been told that any male raqi is an insurgent. nice.
7: Because it’s a non-renewable energy source that will run out and if we don’t have something else to take its place, our decendants will be really screwed. Then again, we don’t really seem to care too much about the future as a society these days, do we? Initiatives for these efforts were put in place before Clinton left office, but then Georgie and Dickie wiped those away first thing when they took office so they could help their oil buddies get richer.
Kevin
Who are Georgie and Duckie’s oil buddies that you Democrats keep referring to? Name them. If they are EPIC members then why don’t the Democrats let us drill in Alaska and along the Pacific Coast and that would screw his buddies.
Do liberals do anything besides lie?
Kevin and Ian. Your posts are overflowing with blatant lies, propaganda and misinformation. It is obvious from the tone and content of your posts that you are partisan hacks with absolutely no concern what is best for America, what is best for Iraq, what is best for the region or what is best for the world.
The fact that you dismiss the video out of hand only proves it. You dismiss anything that contradicts your desired outcome, failure, and glom on to anything that suggests it–no matter how misrepresentative.
I bet you were dancing when you heard that US marines had “massacred” “innocent Iraqis civilians”. Im sure you were equally depressed when the first of those ridiculous charges, based on enemy propaganda were thrown out. (if you even saw the story in our disgusting press) You want failure in Iraq for your own political powerlust. “getting” Bush is more important to you than anything. You’re reprehensible.
As for your lies and misinformation:
Wrong, and a bald-faced lie. The Iraqi Prime Minister’s comments were miscontrued., and not only are we there at the official request of the Iraqi Government, but he repeated his pleas for us to stay in Iraq, in his visit here not even a month agoin press conferences, speeches, and in Op-Eds in leading newspapers and his aides
Because only completely ignorant lemmings and the propagandists that feed them believe Iraq is in a civil war. In the largest poll ever conducted in Iraq, Iraqis themselves overwhelmingly say they are NOT in a civil war. Furthermore, ,href=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece>Iraqis overwhelmingly say life is better now than under saddam, that things are getting better, and that they believe the surge will work
Yet another lie. I can reference several dozen major speeches, many telivised, in which President Bush and members of aadministration said over and over and over, that it would be a long, difficult job.
Yes, it angers terrorists and insurgents when we kill them. Nevertheless, they need to be killed. And when Iraq is capable of killing them on their own, we will leave.
No i dont. They indoctrinate them–the same way liberals are made. And because they live in despotic tyrannys where anger towards their own miserable plight can be, and is, easily turned and refocused on outside forces. Namely the west.
Wrong, and partially right. The major reason they hate us is because we are not muslim. They say so themselves. They believe the Quran tells them that Muslims by devine decree should be the most powerful, most successful society on Earth. They hate us (the west) because our society is richer, more powerful, more successful, and more educated than theirs and we are not muslim. Our society, our laws, our music, our culture, our values and yes our freedom–none of it is muslim–and that contradicts what the Quran tells them–and they believe the Quran is the actual word of God, verbatim, as dictated by their God to Mohammad. In other words, everything about our society contradicts their religion, not just substance–though they hate that too–but the very existance of a non-muslim society that is greater and more powerful than theirs.
And yes, some of them hate our foriegn policy, although it is more because we are not muslim, than because of what the policy is. But I gurantee you far more muslims are exposed to our culture through movies, TV and music than our foreign policy, and far more hatred is foremented against us among fundamental muslims because of what Hollywood produces than by anything washington DC does.
wrong and wrong. Naturally because you misunderstand the reasons radical fundamentalists hate us, your solution, nevermind that it is ignorant and naive, wouldnt solve anything.
They hate us because we are not them. You really need to get that through your heads if you are ever to understand the problem. Even if we were able to totally divorce ourselves from oil, and have nothing at all to do with the middle east ever again, they would still hate us. That we are richer and more powerful is a direct slap in the face to their religion. They want to destroy the west and establish a Caliphate in its place. THAT is what this is about. The only way to end terrorism is to kill as many terrorists as possible before they can kill us, while simultaneously doing everything in our power to strengthen moderate muslim elements in their societies. And the most key element to strenghening those moderate forces, and weakening the fantaical ones is to introduce, foster and spread democracy and freedom throughout what is, the most tyrannical region on earth.
And as far as other energy sources–we already have them. wind power, solar power and flower power will never, ever, ever be capable of providing the energy we need to fuel our economy. In order to supplant the gasoline we use with ethanol or other biofuels, we would need to turn over all the cropland in the United States PLUS another 50% to fuel production. And it takes more energy to produce a hydrogen fuel cell than it provides, which leaves us with the only viable alternative to oil, which is nuclear power. With enough nuclear power we could produce the energy needed to get us off of oil, problem is, leftists block nuclear energy just as much as they do oil, coal, natural gas and every other viable energy source. The reason we use oil to fuel our economy is because its CHEAP. its cheap because its abundant and provides a great deal of energy for a comparably tiny amount of energy expended. When and only when other forms of energy become as cheap, readily available, and effective as oil, then and only then will we be able to get off oil. And environmental whackjobs, otherwise known as the Democratic party, are doing everything in their power, ignorantly so, to ensure that never happens.
The oil from Prudoe Bay has provided between 20-25% of our domestic supply since 1977 when it was first tapped, and that was estimated at the time to be a 9 billion barrel reserve. Today we know that it is closer to 12 billion barrels. If there is really 35 billon barrels of oil in ANWR, then that could more than double our domestic production, providing at least a quarter of our nations oil needs for decades to come. Oh, and thats from the US Geological Survey.
No, Democrats dont. You want to pull out of Iraq without any thought or care to what it would mean to Iraq, the Region or our nations security or interests. You are adamantly opposed to all viable, realistic sources of energy, and all domestic production of energy, with the ironic consequence that our energy comes mostly from countries who produce it in far, far less environmentally sound ways than we would, you have no plan whatsoever to defeat terrorism short term or long term, youve opposed the policies that lead to a booming economy, turned your back on the policies that have kept America safe for 6 years, turned your back on a brand new democracy asking for our help, opposed all the policies that ended the cold war, oppose at every turn the establishment of defenses against nuclear missles just as your policies enabled north Korea to enrich uranium and pursue nuclear weapons at the very same time we were paying them billions not to, and at the same time your president sold all the technology necessary for intercontinental balistic missles to China, and at the same time the same president did absolutely nothing while iran was pursuing its own nuclear capabilites and who knows how many other hostile nations are working towards nuclear capability, and you want to decimate the economy of the United States over policies aimed at preventing carbon dioxide, which makes up a grand whopping total of 0.035% of the atmosphere from “destroying the earth” based on computer models that dont even take into account the effects of water vapor aka cloud cover because scientists cant measure cloud cover.
No, you liberals dont care a rats ass about the future. Oh, you certainly pretend that you do. You may even think you do. But you dont. If you really cared about the future, youd care enought to actually challenge your beliefs to see if they’re right. You dont. In fact if anyone dares provide anything other than complete liberal orthodoxy and indoctrination you scream and wail and gnash your teeth and rend your clothes and deride them and demonize them, you cry that they are questioning your patriotism and taking away your free speech at the same time you plan to introduce legislation taking away theirs.
No, apparently only Republicans care about the future. You care about one thing and one thing only, political power, as the last 6 years have thoroughly proven.
wow, those are some serious run-on sentences. Oh well, its the middle of the night. so sue me.
oh, and just so you know, that very longwinded post was chock-full of hyperlinks which i apparently didnt code properly.
#14:
There aren’t. According to the USGS, there are likely only 10 billion barrels in ANWR. My 35 billion was the total in the entire state including all the existing fields and estimates of what might be found. US oil production has been on the decline since the 1970’s but our consumption continues to increase. “Peak oil” for the world is almost certain to occur within a decade or two at most. It may aleady have arrived.
Sigh…Another of my posts didn’t make it past the “filter.”
As I said before I was filtered: GPW answers Kevin’s critique by asking when anyone said Iraq would be “hunky-dory” after Hussein was deposed. No, I don’t know of anyone who said it would “hunky-dory,” but I certainly remember it being called a “cake walk” and that we would be “greeted as liberators.” Surely I don’t have to pull out all of Cheney’s pronouncements to demonstrate their hunky-doriness.
As for that ridiculous map: Give me a break. Everyone knows the Iraq army is shrinking and this map means utterly nothing.
Kevin, if you watched Fox News Sunday, Fred Kagen during the interview explained that the apparent civil war is being fomented by
Al-Quaeda. Both Shiites and Sunnis are finally realizing it and are cooperating in locating the cells for the military. There is a good deal intermarriage of Sunni with Shiite, that is why Biden´s proposal to separate Iraq into three distinct countries will never work.
What I found ironic yesterday was this admittance from Barack Obama.
Nearly three dozen Chicago students have been killed this year, according to Chicago Public Schools. Obama said that figure is higher than the number of Illinois serviceman who’ve died in Iraq in 2007.
Therefore, by that logic, Chicago is in the middle of a civil war and should be abandoned so that its factions can fight it out.
kevin writes: If those morons so laughingly called the leaders of our military and state department had looked at this country, they would have been able to easily predict the civil war that’s ensued since Huessin’s fall.
It doesnt take much to see that the bush family along with their christianist supporters want nothing more than a civil war in the region
god, you people are complete idiots
Will…Holy Cow! Will you marry me? I’m so tired of going to political echo-chambers, I mean dinner parties, with my left-leaning friends and fighting the good fight alone. It gets tiresome. I’d love to have at least one friend to share the heavy lifting. That was awesome.
“In the largest poll ever conducted in Iraq, Iraqis themselves overwhelmingly say they are NOT in a civil war.”
A near-majority of Americans want Bush impeached. If it tips over 50 percent, does that mean he should be impeached. I believe over 50 percent already favor that action with Cheney. Also, well over 50 percent think Bush’s policies in Iraq are a failure. I suppose that makes them a failure by the logic of your argument here.
“Yet another lie. I can reference several dozen major speeches, many telivised, in which President Bush and members of aadministration said over and over and over, that it would be a long, difficult job.”
Oh really? Please do post these up. Are you sure you aren’t referring to commentary after the looting began? What about Cheney’s remark that we’d be greeted as liberators? Are you saying the administration recanted that before Saddam was deposed?
“No i dont. They indoctrinate them–the same way liberals are made. And because they live in despotic tyrannys where anger towards their own miserable plight can be, and is, easily turned and refocused on outside forces. Namely the west.”
LOL! LIberals are misumeducated terrists!
“The major reason they hate us is because we are not muslim.” …etc
Question: Was Iraq’s government secular or muslim before the invasion? How is the present Iranian government different from its immediate predecessor? Who is the “they” you’re characterizing — Jihadists or all Muslims? If all Muslims hate us because of their religion and the Middle East is 98 percent Muslim, then would it not have been quite easy to predict that we would not be welcomed there and that everyone, including the very Muslim Iraqis, would want us to leave? Or do they compromise their unilateral, religiously based hatred of us in order to accommodate your self-contradictions? Just curious.
“you have no plan whatsoever to defeat terrorism short term or long term, youve opposed the policies that lead to a booming economy, turned your back on the policies that have kept America safe for 6 years, turned your back on a brand new democracy asking for our help,…” ETC.
What exactly is YOUR plan to defeat terrorism short term or long term? Wouldn’t a kick-ass solution have been to round up Osama? Please tell us what policies liberals oppose to lead to a booming economy? Are we talking trickle-down again? When did the economy boom — under Clinton or Bush? Please provide some FACTS that demonstrate that the suspension of habeas corpus and the warrantless wiretapping have led to a single arrest or prevention of terrorist acts in any general way. While you’re at it, provide a single example of torture providing any useful information.
“No, you liberals dont care a rats ass about the future. Oh, you certainly pretend that you do. You may even think you do. But you dont. “
I looooooove this. I assume it is likewise possible for conservatives to think they care about something, like, say — oh, I dunno — the writ of habeas corpus. They certainly pretend they do. They may even think they do. But they don’t. You know why they don’t? CUZ I SAY THEY DON’T!!!!
Oh I could go on like this. Liberals lie? I know that all conservatives don’t make these kinds of facts-free claims, but, man, pluck dat plank out yo’ eye!
Question: Was Iraq’s government secular or muslim before the invasion?
That depends.
If you mean, was it a pure theocracy like Iran’s, no; Saddam held absolute power, just like the Shah did in Iran.
But in the case of Iraq, Saddam had poured an enormous amount of money into building mosques, had restored the name of Allah to the Iraqi flag, and had significantly ratcheted up his rhetoric, including references to “holy war” and “my brother Muslims”, during the Gulf War and during the period of sanctions.
Wouldn’t a kick-ass solution have been to round up Osama?
You tell us. If it was, why didn’t you do it between 1996 and 2000?
The best way to deal with al-Qaeda is to destroy its ability to operate. Osama bin Laden is a portion of that, but a far better and larger portion is choking off their ability to fund terrorism, securing the borders, and tracking their movements and communications to roll up their activity and stymie their attempts to establish and plan.
When did the economy boom — under Clinton or Bush?
Where is the stock market at now?
Why have corporate profits and revenue maxed?
What is the current unemployment rate?
What is the current interest rate?
What has our rate of GDP growth been for the past six years?
Question: since you liberals have been screaming that we’re in a “recession”, why do we keep growing?
Meanwhile, when Dems scream about “civil liberties” being compromised, I have two words: Lynne Stewart.
What that makes clear is that your whining about “civil liberties” is about the fact that life for you and the terrorists you and your fellow leftists and Democrats aid and abet is harder.
#17
Fabulous. Prudoe Bay has supplied a quarter of our nations oil supply since 1977 on virtually the same amount of oil. And its still going strong. That means ANWR could supply us with another quarter of our nations oil supply for another quarter of a century or more. That takes us a hell of a lot closer to being energy independent than everything liberals have proposed combined. (which frankly isnt much more than changing lightbulbs)
correct. but not because the oil isnt there. its because envirowhackos use fearmongering, propaganda and ignorance to block any attempts to increase domestic production.
Not according to anyone who is actually informed on the subject. Jimmy Carter, speaking of the ignorant and uninformed, predicted the world would consume every remaining drop of oil within ten years….that was in 1976.
Not in two years, not in our lifetime. In fact, we will NEVER run out of oil. That’s right, never. The amount of available oil is INCREASING, not decreasing. “Peak Oil” if it ever even happens, will not happen in our lifetime. Please read that article. You could learn a great deal if you can only open your mind.
oh, and heres the link again, just in case I still didnt code the hyperlink correctly. http://www.opinionjournal.com/weekend/hottopic/?id=110007377
ok, I think i get it now maybe? *crosses fingers*
#24
You could suppose that, but that would be an illogical comparison. It is also illogical, not to mention just plain silly, to suggest that partisan Democratic hacks in the United States know better than Iraqis whether their country is in a civil war or not. Illogical and ignorant, but typical.
Gladly. How about the famous “mission accomplished” speech where dishonest liberals say Bush claimed the war was over simply because he was standing in front of a sign saying “mission accomplished” speaking to an aircraft carrier crew that was on its way home from the mission it had indeed just accomplished…
Heres what he ACTUALLY said in that speech:
Those are very clear, unequivocal statements to anyone who can process ideas longer than a bumper sticker. But if you could process concepts longer than a bumper sticker, you wouldnt be a liberal in the first place.
No, liberals are miseducated, ignorant stalinists. the only comparison I made was that liberals are also made by indoctrination. And they are.
The only secular government in the entire middle east remains Israel. Saddam’s Iraq was a Ba’athist sunni regime in which the majority shia were brutally oppressed. You may remember images of hundreds of thousands of Shia Muslims thronging the streets of Karbala and Najaf, beating themselves with chains and knives as they observe their most holy gathering, Ashura, for the first time since Saddam came to power.
The most important difference between the Shah and the Mullahs is that Shah was an ally of the United States and the west, and the mullahs, or more directly the Ayatollah Khomeini, and Ayatollah Khameini along with his puppet President Ahmadinejad are radical fundamentalists bent on the destruction of Israel, America and the West.
i think its also important to note that Jimmy Carter, a genuinecontender for worst president in the history of the United States, turned his back on America’s ally, the shah, had the Pentagon instruct his military leaders not to oppose the Ayatollah, and welcomed the Ayatollahs power grab because afterall, he thought, theyre religious. Those military leaders, who listened to Carter, were executed as one of Khomenis first acts, the region destabilized, the Soviet Union invaded afghanistan and the new government was holding our embassy employees hostage. We’ve been dealing with Carters monumental incompetence ever since.
I would think that because I was responding to a comment specifically about terrorists, and referenced terrorists specifically several times that that would be pretty clear. Alas, not to you.
Absolutely, theyve vehemently opposed Bush’s tax cuts that lead to the current boom, and that brought us out of clintons recession. Even now they are orchestrating the biggest tax increase in history by refusing to make the tax cuts permanent.
Gladly. The economy boomed under Clinton thanks mostly to the internet “gold rush” when everyone and their mother was trying to start a dot.com. Investors became irrational, throwing money at anything with a dot.com in its name regardless of its feasability or operational soundness. Companies became highly overvalued, and that was the main engine driving the boom. It all came crashing down shortly after democrats, always unable to control themselves around money, decided they needed a piece of the action and brought anti-trust lawsuits against the very cornerstone of the tech industry responsible for the boom, Microsoft. Shortly thereafter investors woke up to realize their solid gold dot.coms were little more than pyrite and the recession began.
The only possible responsibility the government can take for the economic boom was the Republicans balanced budget, which Clinton originally vetoed and was eventually forced to sign. Hardly something he can take credit for.
Sure, we havent been attacked in six years. thats fabullous evidence. Now you provide FACTS that anyone has had their writ of habeus corpus unlawfully suspended and that the government has listened to any conversation besides those involving suspected terrorists.
Funny how you libtards get your panties all in a bunch over the supposed trampling of civil rights when you can point to no examples of anyone having their civil rights unlawfully taken away, at the very same time youre voting to take away peoples freedom of association by demanding that privately owned restaraunts and bars not allow any smoking because YOU dont like it, and prohibiting boy scouts from using government property because YOU dont like how they practice their freedom of association, at the same time youre using the force of government to tell people what they can and cant eat, passing campus speech codes, taking workers right to a secret ballot away from them, persuing more and more gun control laws, and trying to silence your political opposition with a fascistic law, with the Orwellian title of “the fairness doctrine” that only insists the one medium that liberals dont overwhelmingly dominate be restricted, while doing absolutely nothing to address fairness in any of the other far more profligate media.
Psychiatrists call what you are doing, “projectuion”. Physician, heal thyself! I LOVE facts, Facts are my friends. My best friends. Everything I say is completely backed up by facts, everything you say is contradicted by them.
haha, I think maybe coffee or dinner first. ;^)
#26:
Obviously, elementary math is not your forte. Still, even with a fifth grade level of math, one ought to be able to answer the following question:
Follow-up question:
To make it simpler for you, you may ignore the effect of the increasing difficulty of getting the last few billions of barrels out of the ground as well as the difficulty of pumping at rates high enough to provide the required quantity of oil.
Your irrelevant comments about peak oil suggest you don’t even know what the term means. Get back to me when you do. Hint: it has little if anything to do with actually running out of oil.
Oh believe me, I know a great deal more about the bogus idea of “peak oil” than you do. And it has everything to do with the idea that we’re running out out of oil since it supposes that we are reaching “peak” oil production, after which its all downhill and oil as a commodity becomes increasingly scarce. Which of course is ignorant. it supposes that we know how much oil there is in the world, which we dont, new discoveries are made all the time. And it ignores technological advances.
In other words, typical ignorant liberal claptrap. Please, read the article, learn something for once.
And as for my figures they were based on consumption rates of oil from prudoe bay. If america consumes 7 BBO/year. ANWR can still provide a quarter of our nations oil supply for 8 years, 1/8 our oil supply for 16 years…. again, all of which goes much further towards energy independence than anything fanatical envirowhacko libtards have proposed.
Read the article. learn something for once.