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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have these people ever heard of the concept of a &quot;volunteer military&quot;? Ever since Nixon abolished the draft, that is what we have had. It is extremely unlikely to change any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have these people ever heard of the concept of a &#8220;volunteer military&#8221;? Ever since Nixon abolished the draft, that is what we have had. It is extremely unlikely to change any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I always say, if you don&#039;t stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front of them.

Lock and load!  ;-)

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I always say, if you don&#8217;t stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front of them.</p>
<p>Lock and load!  <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And also, as I usually point out, since these selfsame leftists making the &quot;chickenhawk&quot; charge allegedly support our troops and military actions against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, why haven&#039;t they enlisted to fight there?

Two reasons -- they&#039;re either hypocrites, or they&#039;re lying when they claim to support those. Either way, they lose.

And Dave, you don&#039;t have to wait for an engraved invitation. Go down and volunteer to fight in Afghanistan. In fact, given Barack &quot;Dr. Strangelove&quot; Obama&#039;s exhortation that we should invade and bomb Pakistan, you and your fellow Democrats should be running to your training camps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also, as I usually point out, since these selfsame leftists making the &#8220;chickenhawk&#8221; charge allegedly support our troops and military actions against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, why haven&#8217;t they enlisted to fight there?</p>
<p>Two reasons &#8212; they&#8217;re either hypocrites, or they&#8217;re lying when they claim to support those. Either way, they lose.</p>
<p>And Dave, you don&#8217;t have to wait for an engraved invitation. Go down and volunteer to fight in Afghanistan. In fact, given Barack &#8220;Dr. Strangelove&#8221; Obama&#8217;s exhortation that we should invade and bomb Pakistan, you and your fellow Democrats should be running to your training camps.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a dumb slur, used by dumb people.&quot;

V, in one brilliant stroke, you have just spelled out the DNC modus operandi.  It is government by the libtards, of the libtards, for the libtards.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a dumb slur, used by dumb people.&#8221;</p>
<p>V, in one brilliant stroke, you have just spelled out the DNC modus operandi.  It is government by the libtards, of the libtards, for the libtards.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For libtards to make the argument that conservatives should enlist if they support the war is ludicrous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is hard to believe that leftards are clinging to an argument that was debunked years ago. If you follow through on the chickenhawk argument, then you can&#039;t support law enforcement unless you become a cop, you can&#039;t support public education unless you&#039;re a teacher ... and so on.

It&#039;s a comment on the idiocy of people making the chickenhawk argument that they can&#039;t see how stupid and flawed their argument is.  It&#039;s a dumb slur, used by dumb people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For libtards to make the argument that conservatives should enlist if they support the war is ludicrous.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is hard to believe that leftards are clinging to an argument that was debunked years ago. If you follow through on the chickenhawk argument, then you can&#8217;t support law enforcement unless you become a cop, you can&#8217;t support public education unless you&#8217;re a teacher &#8230; and so on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a comment on the idiocy of people making the chickenhawk argument that they can&#8217;t see how stupid and flawed their argument is.  It&#8217;s a dumb slur, used by dumb people.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/08/13/killing-civilians/comment-page-2/#comment-4383</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56 - Dave, I think you are missing the point here.  The military is not a block party to which you just drop in; they actually have standards to which prospective recruits must measure up.

A military recruiter called into our local talk-radio program to remind listeners that the military is, in fact, an exclusive club. The recruiter estimated that only 1 out of 5 prospective recruits qualify for military service.  (For those of you who went to public school, that means only 20%.)

So why are 80% of recruits rejected?  Most are either physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged. Or in the case of most Dhimmicrats, all three.

For libtards to make the argument that conservatives should enlist if they support the war is ludicrous.  They demand that every person who supports the war join the military or send their children.   If they don’t, according to the libtards, they’re hypocrites.

Is every person that wears an AIDS ribbon, but doesn’t go to Africa (as Laura and Jenna Bush did) to help children with HIV/AIDS a hypocrite? Are vice presidents and celebrities that travel in private jets and SUVs while lecturing the little people on the proper amount of toilet paper also hypocrites?

(Crickets chirping.)

I rest my case.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56 &#8211; Dave, I think you are missing the point here.  The military is not a block party to which you just drop in; they actually have standards to which prospective recruits must measure up.</p>
<p>A military recruiter called into our local talk-radio program to remind listeners that the military is, in fact, an exclusive club. The recruiter estimated that only 1 out of 5 prospective recruits qualify for military service.  (For those of you who went to public school, that means only 20%.)</p>
<p>So why are 80% of recruits rejected?  Most are either physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged. Or in the case of most Dhimmicrats, all three.</p>
<p>For libtards to make the argument that conservatives should enlist if they support the war is ludicrous.  They demand that every person who supports the war join the military or send their children.   If they don’t, according to the libtards, they’re hypocrites.</p>
<p>Is every person that wears an AIDS ribbon, but doesn’t go to Africa (as Laura and Jenna Bush did) to help children with HIV/AIDS a hypocrite? Are vice presidents and celebrities that travel in private jets and SUVs while lecturing the little people on the proper amount of toilet paper also hypocrites?</p>
<p>(Crickets chirping.)</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#50 - Thanks, ILC.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#50 &#8211; Thanks, ILC.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of dumb propaganda only stupid liberal journalists fall for, who can tell me &lt;a href=&quot;http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2007/08/propaganda-of-week.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what&#039;s wrong with this picture?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of dumb propaganda only stupid liberal journalists fall for, who can tell me <a href="http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2007/08/propaganda-of-week.html" rel="nofollow">what&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be the same AP that&#039;s pimping photos of &lt;i&gt;unfired&lt;/i&gt; bullets that were &#039;shot&#039; into her house?  And their &#039;international sources&#039; are as unnamed as Scott Beauchamp&#039;s accounts.  Al Jazzera maybe?

At the same time, under the Geneva conventions, if a force moves into a non-military target and commences to attack from that target, it becomes a military target.  So under that international law everyone likes citing, if we kill civilians because the Taliban/terrorists are using that village as a base of operations, any civilian deaths are on their heads, not ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be the same AP that&#8217;s pimping photos of <i>unfired</i> bullets that were &#8216;shot&#8217; into her house?  And their &#8216;international sources&#8217; are as unnamed as Scott Beauchamp&#8217;s accounts.  Al Jazzera maybe?</p>
<p>At the same time, under the Geneva conventions, if a force moves into a non-military target and commences to attack from that target, it becomes a military target.  So under that international law everyone likes citing, if we kill civilians because the Taliban/terrorists are using that village as a base of operations, any civilian deaths are on their heads, not ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think I am so important as not to want to serve, I would galdy serve...draft me and you and you and esp you!  I say draft all people who want and or wanted this war sooo much. You need to put up or shut up. And talk about being babies....I think big strapping soldiers can take a little verbal abuse! They don&#039;t need a bunch of chickenhawks to defend them! And I love the way my comment was deleted because I said a word for oral sex..bad me...but some guy called me an arse an its fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think I am so important as not to want to serve, I would galdy serve&#8230;draft me and you and you and esp you!  I say draft all people who want and or wanted this war sooo much. You need to put up or shut up. And talk about being babies&#8230;.I think big strapping soldiers can take a little verbal abuse! They don&#8217;t need a bunch of chickenhawks to defend them! And I love the way my comment was deleted because I said a word for oral sex..bad me&#8230;but some guy called me an arse an its fine.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46

That may be, Synova. However, no matter how you polish a turd, it&#039;s still a turd.

&lt;b&gt; Sorta ORA:&lt;/b&gt; Does anybody else get the sneaking suspicion that Obama&#039;s just the kind of guy who would launch &quot;Wing Attack Plan R&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46</p>
<p>That may be, Synova. However, no matter how you polish a turd, it&#8217;s still a turd.</p>
<p><b> Sorta ORA:</b> Does anybody else get the sneaking suspicion that Obama&#8217;s just the kind of guy who would launch &#8220;Wing Attack Plan R&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: ColoradoPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoradoPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

We&#039;ll have you...you&#039;re more than welcome.  Just agree that something&#039;s more important to you than yourself, play by the rules, and you can come along with me, put on the same uniform I wear (well, you&#039;ll have to start off with a lower rank), and fight alongside me.

That is, if you can consider service to your Country to be &lt;i&gt;more important&lt;/i&gt; to you than yourself.

Okay, didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have you&#8230;you&#8217;re more than welcome.  Just agree that something&#8217;s more important to you than yourself, play by the rules, and you can come along with me, put on the same uniform I wear (well, you&#8217;ll have to start off with a lower rank), and fight alongside me.</p>
<p>That is, if you can consider service to your Country to be <i>more important</i> to you than yourself.</p>
<p>Okay, didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: ColoradoPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoradoPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Synova:

Thanks for the clarification; it definitely does seem, from that link that he was referring to Afghanistan, where it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; more often we engage in air-raids.

Nevertheless, he is definitely helping to feed the enemy&#039;s propaganda that a) air-raids are our primary method of attack (not true), and, b) more perniciously, somehow our goal of those tactics is to kill civilians.

...same narrative, different day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synova:</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification; it definitely does seem, from that link that he was referring to Afghanistan, where it <i>is</i> more often we engage in air-raids.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, he is definitely helping to feed the enemy&#8217;s propaganda that a) air-raids are our primary method of attack (not true), and, b) more perniciously, somehow our goal of those tactics is to kill civilians.</p>
<p>&#8230;same narrative, different day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in #16: Obama desperately needs to remember that it is not we who are thoughtlessly or aggressively “killing civilians, causing enormous pressure over there”.  It’s... al Qaeda.  Whom we are fighting in both places (Afghanistan and Iraq).

BTW, &quot;Hussein&quot; is a common name in the Arab-speaking world and I take  Peter&#039;s (correct) use of it in #19 as a general &quot;dhimmitude&quot; allusion.  Not as Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in #16: Obama desperately needs to remember that it is not we who are thoughtlessly or aggressively “killing civilians, causing enormous pressure over there”.  It’s&#8230; al Qaeda.  Whom we are fighting in both places (Afghanistan and Iraq).</p>
<p>BTW, &#8220;Hussein&#8221; is a common name in the Arab-speaking world and I take  Peter&#8217;s (correct) use of it in #19 as a general &#8220;dhimmitude&#8221; allusion.  Not as Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Synova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protein Wisdom and QandO both quoted context as Afghanistan.   Captains Quarters has a link to The Corner with a video clip.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011339.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protein Wisdom and QandO both quoted context as Afghanistan.   Captains Quarters has a link to The Corner with a video clip.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011339.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011339.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: ColoradoPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoradoPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Synova:

You may be right about Afghanistan...the article I link is not totally clear.  Do you have a better link to more context?

Thanks
Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synova:</p>
<p>You may be right about Afghanistan&#8230;the article I link is not totally clear.  Do you have a better link to more context?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40: CP Thanks for pointing out. The ignorance of politicians with regard to military matters is something that, if we had a media that wasn&#039;t hopelessly braindead, might be a topic of discussion.

My fantasy: During a presidential debate, a questioner shows pictures of various military aircraft, ships, and weapons and challenges the candidates to identify them. Then, shows pictures of soldiers in uniform and challenges candidates to identify their rank and service.

John McCain and Duncan Hunter would do fine. Everybody else... toast. (The Democrats once put a picture of a Canadian soldier on their website to illustrate their commitment to American veterans.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40: CP Thanks for pointing out. The ignorance of politicians with regard to military matters is something that, if we had a media that wasn&#8217;t hopelessly braindead, might be a topic of discussion.</p>
<p>My fantasy: During a presidential debate, a questioner shows pictures of various military aircraft, ships, and weapons and challenges the candidates to identify them. Then, shows pictures of soldiers in uniform and challenges candidates to identify their rank and service.</p>
<p>John McCain and Duncan Hunter would do fine. Everybody else&#8230; toast. (The Democrats once put a picture of a Canadian soldier on their website to illustrate their commitment to American veterans.)</p>
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		<title>By: Synova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the conclusion, but I still think getting details right matters.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the conclusion, but I still think getting details right matters.  <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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