Bin Laden Reads From Democrat Party Talking Points
Wow… Bin Laden’s latest diatribe is right out of the Daily Kos, Howard Dean & DNC playbook. It is uncanny!
[Osama bin Laden] says to the American people, “you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, [former Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld…”
“You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you — with your full knowledge and consent — to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. [GP Ed. Note: Calling John Kerry, Jack Murtha & Dick Durbin! Osama is stealing your material!!]
“You claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th — were I to claim such a thing.” [Has he also read OJ Simpson's book draft??!!]
Bin Laden says President Bush’s words echo “neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle.”
“Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there.” [Paging Cindy Sheehan! Osama is stealing YOUR material, too!]
He goes on to call Noam Chomsky “among one of the most capable of those from your own side,” and mentions global warming and “the Kyoto accord.” [Al Gore, calling Al Gore!]
“To conclude,” bin Laden says, “I invite you to embrace Islam.” He goes on to say: “There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.” [Oh, and there are no gays in Islam either.]
Is these a foreshadowing of things to come? I can see the bumper stickers now! Osama/Obama ‘08. Hillary/Bin Laden — Bill Misses You. Edwards/Osama - Delivering Both Americas To Islamism.
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He also said that there were “no taxes in Islam,” added in zakat, pretended that wasn’t a tax. Apparently, he’s pulled a Mitt Romney. Those aren’t taxes. They’re “fees.”
“Vote for OBL: He may be a terrorist and wants to cut your head off, but he’ll also cut your taxes.”
Comment by Crow — September 7, 2007 @ 4:43 pm - September 7, 2007
Yeah, it’s amazing. Osama calling out the Democrats for not delivering victory to al Qaeda as promised by all their rhetoric.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 7, 2007 @ 4:55 pm - September 7, 2007
LOL, yes Crow…. but remember, gays don’t pay taxes in Islam. We can’t pay from beyond the grave.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 7, 2007 @ 5:01 pm - September 7, 2007
First Castro, now OBL endorsing the Dhimmicrats. Who’s next, Kim Jong-Il?? That would complete the totalitarian trifecta.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — September 7, 2007 @ 5:06 pm - September 7, 2007
Just saw Dingy Harry and Dickless Durbin on the news… what sorry pieces of work. I do question their patriotism.
Long ago, I began to think the invasion was a mistake (and still do). But as we’re there, the only option is to come out with some sort of win. And every time one of these libs pipes up, they lengthen the war. They offer nothing constructive.
The fact that people like these can get elected is shameful.
I suppose it wouldn’t be “military” but I think Gen. Patraeus would be well within his rights to call out, by name, those who question his honor. Can anyone imagine calling Patton a tool?
Comment by Robert — September 7, 2007 @ 6:20 pm - September 7, 2007
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And now the Breck Girl wants am International anti-bumper sticker agency. He’s carrying on the flip-flopping, Waffle House tradition of Very/Leftwards ‘04.
“Hard on Bush, Soft on Terror! Democrats ‘08!!”
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 7, 2007 @ 9:27 pm - September 7, 2007
My favorite take on this so far has to be “Bin Laden The Blogger”.
Comment by John in IL — September 7, 2007 @ 11:50 pm - September 7, 2007
There may be no taxes in Islam, but if one wants to remain a Christian, anyone heard of the jizya? That is the “special tax” to those of us who would not covert to Islam. Who do you think would pay the bills?!
Comment by Mark J. Goluskin — September 8, 2007 @ 1:22 am - September 8, 2007
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#4-BEAUTIFUL! I am just sorry that I did not think of that. Maybe Mugabe might want to join in endorsing, what Obama maybe!
Comment by Mark J. Goluskin — September 8, 2007 @ 1:24 am - September 8, 2007
#10 - Thanks, Mark!
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — September 8, 2007 @ 10:24 am - September 8, 2007
Maybe the American left should take OBL’s admonition to heart and convert en masse to Islam. I see two possible outcomes, neither one bad…
1. Liberals will dilute Islam to the point where it begins dying out like all the other mainstream Protestant denominations that have become, basically, just hollow, secular, feel-good, touchy-feeler, Jesus-who? spiritual day care centers after liberals took them over.
2. The Islamists will behead 95% of the liberal converts within the first year for drinking, drug use, immodest dress, and immoral sex.
Comment by V the K — September 8, 2007 @ 1:20 pm - September 8, 2007
So anyone who supports a flat tax supports OBL?
Comment by Tom in Houston — September 8, 2007 @ 1:27 pm - September 8, 2007
…”Can anyone imagine calling Patton a tool?…”
Hehheh. Said Senators would have been lucky to get off just the saber-scars. Although Gen. Patton had an excellent command of the language and might have merely replied with a good, earthy quip that left even-longer-lasting scars on their posterity.
Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 8, 2007 @ 1:28 pm - September 8, 2007
Oh, and if the dye-job doesn’t prove OBL is in bed with the Edwards campaign, I don’t know what does.
Comment by V the K — September 8, 2007 @ 1:46 pm - September 8, 2007
Even the transparency has to be taken seriously. Yet, I can’t help but note how he tends toward the old socialist style propaganda. He expresses a knowledge on our taxes, but evidently doesn’t realize that it’s become nothing more to ‘Amercana’ than a bad habit. If his braintrust is going into combat with the arguments of Adam Gadahn, they are going in unarmed. (It sounded like that to me.)
On one hand he’s focusssing on our politics, and then get’s distracted into proselityzing.
I sense he was scripted to one extent, but felt he had to dribble on.
I’ll call it a ’swan song’ for himself personally. But, let’s remember the firebrand and dealer is Jawahiri. He controls the octapus, Osama spreads the ink.
One thing we must embed in our minds is that dead or alive, he isn’t going to go away.
Defending against terrorists isn’t enough. Defeating them is essential.
Comment by Shawmut — September 8, 2007 @ 1:56 pm - September 8, 2007
I love how bin Laden shows up every now and then to taunt Dear Leader. And you guys are like Pavlovian dogs with your predictable response to it all. How much better it would have been if The Decider had kept his promise originally and actually nailed bin Laden.
Of course bin Laden tells us to get out of Iraq because he knows that Bush will do the opposite. Of course, anyone who has actually studied al Qaeda and its strategy knows that bin Laden wants the US bogged down in the Iraq quagmire so we will continue to bleed both soldiers and treasure.
Unfortunately, the Dems are too wimpy to face down Mr. 25% so he will continue to have his vanity war until he leaves office. Then it will be up to a Democratic President together with a Democratic Congress to extricate us from the quagmire and rebuild America’s strength and prestige. But it will also be critical to ensure that the American people continue to understand that it was the GOP and their criminally incompetent leadership that not only got us into this mess but kept us there for so long.
Let Americans know that a conservative ideology that despises government can therefore never be expected to govern effectively. Hopefully America has learned that hard lesson from these disastrous Bush years.
Comment by Ian S — September 8, 2007 @ 3:12 pm - September 8, 2007
More to the point on Bin Laden’s message are the numbers of his losses suffered. Whether or not Iraq was intended to be the killing field (as I would have it) his followers have been rushing there to catch the earliest possible carpet to their virgins. Remember, it’s the foreign jihadists (non-Iraq, and even non-Afghanistan) that these repsective countries have been twitchy about.
It would have been a logistical nightmare to put as many troops into Afghanistan as Hollywood would have.
Iraq, on the other hand, had been happy living within the umbrella of a criminal already, so..Hell. Why not call them out there.
The more I’ve read ObL’s comments, the more convinced I am of the influence of Adam Gadahn. The sophomoric prattle betrays him. Talk about being free on bail from arrested development.
Comment by Shawmut — September 8, 2007 @ 4:26 pm - September 8, 2007
Why would anyone “love” to see Bin Laden rise up to taunt any western leader, least of all your own duly elected one?
I doubt seriously that Bin Laden wanted what has happened in either Afghanistan or Iraq. I’m certain he would have wanted very different scenarios or at least grander scenarios than he is currently witnessing.
Comment by VinceTN — September 8, 2007 @ 4:49 pm - September 8, 2007
Then it will be up to a Democratic President together with a Democratic Congress to extricate us from the quagmire and rebuild America’s strength and prestige.
Sooooo…..how exactly does surrendering to AQ and facilitating genocide “rebuild America’s strength and prestige”? And since when do liberals give a good damn about America?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 8, 2007 @ 5:17 pm - September 8, 2007
#18 Ian S has telekinetic contact with OBL (even though the sucker is long dead) and Ian warns us that OBL is acting the contrarian in order to keep us in Iraq where al-Qaeda is chewing us up and causing our economy to crumble.
I really miss Madeline Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski and the days of Clinton when bombing ships and barracks and trade centers was decisively addressed by flattening aspirin factories a little left of nowhere in a 9th world country. Back then we were so much more secure with the Gorelick order keeping our security agencies from sharing their knowledge. It was a NASDAQ world on a wonderful ride to the very porch of the Ponzi mansion in the sky. We created a “surplus” by hauling the social security revenues into the general budget. We bled the military and used them as White House props.
And just think. We could have all that again and more! Ian chides the conservatives for being small minded when it comes to the size of government. His crowd will grow the government like weeds in fertilizer. They will tax us into prosperity. They will conquer obesity, restore the icebergs to the Arctic shelf, end our dependency on oil, cut bovine flatulence to the core, open clean needle shops, set up government health kiosks at the mall and provide home abortion kits to every child entering puberty.
Meanwhile, OBL and his crowd can stomp the Jews into mush and take over Europe in a groundswell of enlightenment that only a leftist can really understand.
The rest of us poor slobs will just have to watch in a confused stupor.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 8, 2007 @ 5:33 pm - September 8, 2007
Heliotrope — brilliant
Comment by V the K — September 8, 2007 @ 5:44 pm - September 8, 2007
#22: For a “dead sucker” OBL sure gets a reaction from Dear Leader and his sycophants. You can believe what you want about OBL’s strategy but it sure seems to be working. Even your much vaunted escalation has been a dismal failure, only meeting three of 18 benchmarks. On the absolutely critical Iraqi political front, Petraeus himself was forced to admit that “it has not worked out as we had hoped.” Duh!!!
As for conservatives’ approach to government, there has been nothing small about it. They borrow and spend wildly and corruptly and shower their corporate friends with government largesse. Of course, because they despise government they have an interest in making sure it doesn’t work so they do everything they can to make every government function fail. FEMA anyone?
Comment by Ian S — September 8, 2007 @ 8:19 pm - September 8, 2007
First of all; no one wears white after Labor Day.
Secondly, anyone who thinks Chomsky is capable of anything other than anti-Semitic blather must live in a cave.
Oh, right.
It’s interesting he mentions global warming and Kyoto. I’m guessing he’s got Al Gore’s DVD and perhaps Michael Moore’s, too. Any chance he mentioned the Canadian health care system being superior to the US? Does he think ‘Sicko’ will be nominated in the best documentary category or just best picture?
I wonder if he wanted to attend Yearly Kos?
And if he did, would the kossacks have applauded him?
Maybe next year he’ll be the guest speaker? Seems a natural fit.
I love the 2.5% ‘Zakaat’ – is that for the unlimited infidel stonings or just one season?
Finally, crappy dye job on the beard; I’ve seen better-looking facial hair on those caveman/Gecko commercials.
Comment by Vera Charles — September 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm - September 8, 2007
Oh, the absolutely critical Iraqi political front. Absolutely critical. Absolutely. Like the Balkans. Like occupied Japan. Like occupied Germany. Like the model state of Somalia which healed itself instantly when we cut and ran. Gosh, Ian, we have lavished a fair amount of attention on the Philippines (after we gave up running them) and they are a model democracy that are hardly on the state department “don’t travel” list. Venezuaela and Colombia are coming along nicely, wouldn’t you say? Madame Albright took her waddles to North Korea and flashed weird little Kim with her magic brooch and all is now well there. Oh, yes, Strobe Talbot sure whipped the Russian state into line.
God knows, Iraq and the whole Middle East should not be in turmoil longer than the average liberal’s attention span. This is the 21st century and we demand instant gratification or, by Jimminy, we are just going to quit and give those guys the finger.
Ian, the boat that you say is sinking is the boat you are riding in. At the point where we are all floundering about, count on me to toss you an anchor.
To put it another way, have you decided on Shiite or Sunni?
Comment by Heliotrope — September 8, 2007 @ 10:05 pm - September 8, 2007
Even your much vaunted escalation has been a dismal failure, only meeting three of 18 benchmarks.
Since when did the benchmarks apply to our military, Ian?
FEMA anyone?
Wasn’t it James Lee Witt’s (Clinton cronie) Fema who took 3 WEEKS to respond to the hurricane Floyd disaster in 1999? I suppose that wass Bush’s fault?
Face it, Ian. You’re full of sh*t and you damn well know it. Nice job dodging my earlier question. I knew you didn’t have the sack for it.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 9, 2007 @ 12:19 am - September 9, 2007
Furthermore Ian,
I love how bin Laden shows up every now and then to taunt Dear Leader.
I love how bin Laden is completely indistinguishable from the America hating liberal left, but you guys don’t have the common sense, decency, standards or morality to be embarrassed and mortified by it.
Birds of a feather…
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 9, 2007 @ 12:26 am - September 9, 2007
The reason I have no respect for Ian is that he never shows a scintilla of independent thought but just spews whatever talking points come off the latest DNC blast email. Hillary and Obama accepting hundreds of thousands in illicit campaign contributions from a wanted fugitive? he doesn’t care. A dozen New Jersey Democrats arrested for corruption? He doesn’t care. It’s people like that, people who can’t see past party affiliation to recognize right from wrong, that are a big part of the reason politics on both sides of the aisle has become rotted and corrupt.
Comment by V the K — September 9, 2007 @ 1:55 am - September 9, 2007
One more thing:
and shower their corporate friends with government largesse.
What did Enron get for supporting global warmism? Dupont? BP? Most likely the middle finger, which is all anybody should expect from liberals.
What about the industries that donated to the DNC like Securities & Investment, Lawyers/Law firms, Business Services, Education, Insurance, Retail Sales, Beer, Wine & Liquor, INSURANCE etc. etc. etc.? What all did they get?
Are we to believe that there’s no corporations like Microsoft, Progressive Auto Insurance, Apple, Countrywide Financial, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, New Century Financial, Honeywell, EADS, Lockheed Martin, Teledyne, etc.etc.etc. (shall I go on?) have never contributed a single dime to liberals?
Please, tell us Ian.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 9, 2007 @ 7:33 am - September 9, 2007
Who in the hell writes OBL’s “material” — the RNC? Jeez, at some point, you’ve got ask that, given the timing of release of the tapes (always when Bush needs a boost) and their content (a mix of Islaminsanity and the wildest fringes of lefty blogs). Assuming a Dem gets in next (and that looks like a pretty good assumption at this point), I wonder if the tapes will still be used politically as they are now and, if they are, will they include a mix of Islaminsanity and the wildest fringes of righty blogs, like the Freepers and half the guys here)? Would be too funny, except that OBL’s still free after 6 years, not even being chased by Commander Guy (Mr. Dead Or Alive), and still apparently capable of murdering thousands in a single event.
Comment by KYKid — September 9, 2007 @ 8:55 am - September 9, 2007
TGC, don’t forget the fact that Democrat hero John Murtha snuck a $2 million earmark into the budget for a group that doesn’t even exist, and then there’s another $9.75 million Murtha earmark that went to buy a pump that the Navy didn’t want and also apparently does not exist.
Facts do not matter to blinkered party hacks like Ian. Even the imbecilic “Dear Leader” taunt, meant to imply blind loyalty to BushCo, is ignorant of the fact that on this blog and throughout the ranks of conservatives and Republicans, Bush has been roundly criticized for his failure to secure the borders, for his profligate spending, for his cronyism (e.g. Harriet Miers and Alberto Gonzales), and even for the FMA.
People who think for themselves can agree with Bush when he’s right and criticize him fairly when he’s wrong… without devolving into childish “Dear Leader” and “BushCo” name-calling. We will just leave it to the blinkered partisan hacks to give full-throated support to their party and never have a word of criticism for the corruption, cowardice, obnoxiousness, hypocrisy and just plain bad-for-regular-people policies their party espouses.
Comment by V the K — September 9, 2007 @ 9:05 am - September 9, 2007
I know. It’s weird how Ian keeps saying certain names for Bush as if he expects it to matter to us. It matters a little, but not how he thinks. I don’t care about Bush, I care about good policy. But Ian’s dumb, misplaced name-calling confirms me in my low opinion of Ian.
Exactly. And Ian: Once you do convert to Islam, whether willingly or at swordpoint… no gay sex for you. Hetero-to-bi Muslim men get away with it, but the “out gay” ones don’t. You do understand that? Or were you planning to go back in the closet?
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 9, 2007 @ 10:02 am - September 9, 2007
ILoveCapitalism omits the camel and camel jockey option.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 9, 2007 @ 10:31 am - September 9, 2007
The Democrat Left is the natural home for those who don’t want to be burdened by independent thought.
Comment by V the K — September 9, 2007 @ 11:04 am - September 9, 2007
#26: This is precisely why no one ought to take you Chicken Littles seriously. You run around squawking about how we’re all going to be forced to become Muslims in what would appear to truly be a titanic clash of civilizations yet you adamantly refuse to call for a crash effort to put the nation on a full long term war footing along with all would entail. Either put up a plan that calls for the half million troops it’s liable to take to establish security and governmental viability in Iraq or shut up. Either put up a plan whereby the industrial might of the country is diverted to providing the equipment these additional troops will require without the unconscionable delays seen so far or shut up. Either put up a plan where, as in WWII, war profiteering was made illegal or shut up. Either put up a plan whereby taxes such as a war tax are imposed to pay for this existential struggle or shut up. Articulate these plans and your position will be somewhat consistent. Until then, your ranting is illogical puffery and not to be taken seriously.
Comment by Ian S — September 9, 2007 @ 12:40 pm - September 9, 2007
To Ian we award the Josef Goebbels Award. Expected presentation will be arranged at the Patrick Mosque in New York when George Soros concludes finishes his currency conversion dealings of the EURO to rials.
“I love how bin Laden shows up every now and then to taunt Dear Leader.”
How impassioned a remark of one who would spite all who have given. Clearly, the sinister indulgence expressed by these words rival the rantings of “Adam the America.”
It reminds me of the sludge-gutted “jock-sniffers” who would hang around the field house critcizing the varsity. Years later, they would manifest dexterity single-handedly flipping Bud-lite’s open, while giving critiques during the Super Bowl.
If the expression was only political. Unfortunately, for the cited commentator, it seems more clinical.
Comment by Shawmut — September 9, 2007 @ 1:00 pm - September 9, 2007
You run around squawking about how we’re all going to be forced to become Muslims in what would appear to truly be a titanic clash of civilizations yet you adamantly refuse to call for a crash effort to put the nation on a full long term war footing along with all would entail.
LOL……I love the smell of liberal desperation in the morning.
The beauty of having the world’s most powerful and most effective military and economy, Ian, is that we don’t have to exert ourselves to that extent to solve a problem. Since World War II, we have increased in both size and capability to the point where we can fight full-scale wars without having to put any particular or unusual drain on the economy; there is that much capacity.
And you know what the holdup in equipment has been? The continuous fight by you and your fellow Democrats to stop funding to the military, both during the Clinton era and of late, and to block troop deployments, troop payments, and everything else in the name of satisfying the Cindy Sheehan cabal that controls your party.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 9, 2007 @ 1:56 pm - September 9, 2007
:37:
It seems to me half a trillion borrowed bucks not to mention tens of thousands of our soldiers killed or wounded is not an insignificant exertion. Especially when the “problem” is further from being solved than it was four years ago. As for your ludicrous claims about funding the military, Bush has received virtually all the funding he has asked for. Try again.
Comment by Ian S — September 9, 2007 @ 3:31 pm - September 9, 2007
wow…i see the light now…obviously democrats aren’t real American like y’all here. Glad to see the fascist doctrine of associating those who don’t agree with your views are associated with terrorists. Do you support hunting down democrats with the dead or alive attitude as well?
Comment by Kevin — September 9, 2007 @ 3:47 pm - September 9, 2007
It seems to me half a trillion borrowed bucks not to mention tens of thousands of our soldiers killed or wounded is not an insignificant exertion.
Versus what, Ian?
After all, according to Democrats like yourself, THAT was “insignificant”.
As for your ludicrous claims about funding the military, Bush has received virtually all the funding he has asked for.
After months and months of stalling by Democrat leftists — which, of course, delays funding, delays purchasing, and delays numerous other operational activities.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 9, 2007 @ 3:51 pm - September 9, 2007
Glad to see the fascist doctrine of associating those who don’t agree with your views are associated with terrorists.
Actually, no, Kevin, it has nothing to do with your not agreeing; it has everything to do with the fact that Democrats like yourself aid and abet terrorists.
And before you start whining and screaming, she was fully supported by the National Lawyers Guild and International ANSWER, both fully allied with the Democrat Party.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 9, 2007 @ 3:57 pm - September 9, 2007
#41:
Really? Where and when did I or any Dem state it was “insignificant?” You’re just making sh!t up again.
Once again you’re making sh!t up. If anything, it’s Bush who has threatened to veto and hence delay funds to support our military including its veterans.
Comment by Ian S — September 9, 2007 @ 4:24 pm - September 9, 2007
#40 - “Do you support hunting down democrats with the dead or alive attitude as well?”
Well, Kevin, considering the fact that you’ve got an ex-Grand Dragon of the KKK and a man responsible for vehicular manslaugter* in your party, just give us a head-start before the statute of limitations runs out.
*Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — September 9, 2007 @ 5:04 pm - September 9, 2007
Ian says………”yet you adamantly refuse to call for a crash effort to put the nation on a full long term war footing along with all would entail.”
Huh? Hello! So, we reinstate the draft. We train, train, train. We crank up the defense industry. We ration food, gasoline, sugar and tic-tacs. We launch a ship a day. Our women take on the rivet guns and school children plant victory gardens and collect scrap metal. Planes are built, tanks roll off the assembly lines. We black out the cities. We build bomb shelters and train a home front civilian defense corps. We cut all our luxuries to the quick. No butter…..gotta grease those guns…..one Coca Cola per civilian per month……save them for the troops…….remember that “loose lips sink ships.”
Now we are at full wartime capacity and we are going to……….. well……. go ride around looking for civilians who may also be terrorists. We could wander around Germany, France, England, Denmark, Spain, Sweden, The Neatherlands and ask people if they are terrorists. Of course we would not profile or be offensive in any way.
Or, we could move our entire military of say 5 million into the mountains of Peshwar and the near Steppes of Bahkar and we could check out the people there.
Indonesia ought to be a piece of cake. It is a tropical paradise where everyone is totally laid back.
And we could scour New Jersey and Michigan and Minnesota and California and New York asking people if they know a double talking imam or two.
Ian, take my advice. Do not get off the tourist bus in Cairo. They would eat you for dinner before anyone even knew you were missing. You really need to learn something about the world from a source other than an echo chamber.
I anxiously await your Generalissimo’s plan for engaging a fully armed US population.
One other thought. We won the war in Iraq. Are you in the nuke and run club? You see, once you accomplish your war aims, you still have to win the peace. The Mongols did it by forcing the enemy into slavery and killing the excess. That is a plan. Do you like that one? Hitler would have entire village populations executed as a general message. That’s another plan. We have always had patience and a program of rebuilding. We are still in Korea. We are still in Germany. We are still in Japan. We will still be in Iraq 20 years from now.
Iraq sits next to Syria which has terrible relations with Turkey. Iraq includes Kurds who are a constant threat to Turkey. Iraq borders with Iran where pan-radical Islam is the order of the day. Geo-politically, there is no better foothold in the Middle East for being in the midst of roiling turmoil. Either you stand and fight and take the battle on or you pull up your skirts and run home to Murtha.
I would love to see you in uniform, Ian. You would be with guys who are dead serious about keeping alive and carrying out the mission. You had better decide quickly not to be a liability. They step on people who don’t get with the program.
Since you know so much about my “Chicken Little” self, let us know more about your superior intellect in things military and international.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 9, 2007 @ 5:52 pm - September 9, 2007
#40 Kevin asks: “wow…i see the light now…obviously democrats aren’t real American like y’all here. Glad to see the fascist doctrine of associating those who don’t agree with your views are associated with terrorists. Do you support hunting down democrats with the dead or alive attitude as well?”
Not really. After 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission, Bush let Sandy Burglar and Jamie Gorelick and the whole clown car of State Department Kut-Ups just disappear to the airwaves of Air America and NPR.
But the Democrats can’t get investigations of the Republicans ginned up fast enough. Which bubblegum card is your favorite….Waxman or Leahy?
BTW, nice misuse of “fascist.” Glad you saved your Nazi slimeball for another day.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 9, 2007 @ 6:50 pm - September 9, 2007
#43
If anything, it’s Bush who has threatened to veto and hence delay funds to support our military including its veterans.
Here in reality, Ian, you can’t veto what congress refuses to pass.
#45
remember that “loose lips sink ships.”
That would be the primary reason Ian would never go for it. The NYT would be especially screwed.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 9, 2007 @ 7:00 pm - September 9, 2007
#45:
Of course you do if you truly believe we are in an existential battle upon which the very survival of western civilization is at stake. Along with the other measures I suggested. Now I don’t happen to think we’re in that battle - at least not yet - but continuing the fiasco in Iraq will ensure we’re in an unbelievably weakened situation if and when that battle does come. To continue with insufficient forces to establish a secure enough situation for a political solution guarantees failure whether that’s realized tomorrow or ten years from now. 500,000 troops might be enough to do the trick in Iraq - I’m doubtful - but you probably think it would That would require this country to go onto a full war footing for the foreseeable future including a draft. So that’s what you’re faced with. Sh!t or get off the pot.
Comment by Ian S — September 9, 2007 @ 8:21 pm - September 9, 2007
Really? Where and when did I or any Dem state it was “insignificant?” You’re just making sh!t up again.
All of you Dems say there was zero reason to invade or deal with Iraq.
Therefore, you quite obviously consider Saddam and the UN stealing billions of dollars from Iraq under the full legal auspices of “sanctions” to be insignificant.
And you quite obviously consider that over five hundred thousand children — just children, mind you, not including adults — had already died of the effects of “sanctions” to be insignificant.
Why else would you and your fellow leftists have wanted so badly to perpetuate that system? Didn’t the Democrat Party argue over and over and over again that sanctions were the only way to go?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 9, 2007 @ 8:49 pm - September 9, 2007
#49:
Wrong. Those of us who opposed the war insisted that any reason to invade was more than offset by strong reasons not to. We were proven right. Plus, we were quite ready to deal with Iraq - indeed that’s just what was taking place with the robust inspections being carried out until Bush insisted on his vanity war.
Comment by Ian S — September 9, 2007 @ 9:09 pm - September 9, 2007
So, again, Ian:
Therefore, you quite obviously consider Saddam and the UN stealing billions of dollars from Iraq under the full legal auspices of “sanctions” and “inspections” to be insignificant.
And you quite obviously consider that over five hundred thousand children — just children, mind you, not including adults — had already died of the effects of “sanctions” and “inspections” to be insignificant.
Furthermore, if inspections had been so important to Democrats like yourself, you wouldn’t have yanked the inspectors on Saddam’s orders in 1999.
What inspections were was a stalling tactic– and a means of looking like something was being done while perpetuating Saddam’s kickbacks and bribes to UN diplomats and leftists so that they could eat lobster and caviar while hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children starved.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 9, 2007 @ 9:49 pm - September 9, 2007
#50 Ian S states emphatically: “Those of us who opposed the war insisted that any reason to invade was more than offset by strong reasons not to. We were proven right. Plus, we were quite ready to deal with Iraq - indeed that’s just what was taking place with the robust inspections being carried out until Bush insisted on his vanity war.”
1. The strong reasons not to go to war in Iraq were? (And why didn’t the Democrats in the Senate know these strong reasons and act accordingly?)
2. In what specific ways have you been proven right?
3. Who, exactly, was quite ready to “deal” with Iraq?
4. What “robust inspections” were being carried out? Will you be relying on Hans Blix and UNSCOM, Scott Ritter, and/or Tariq Aziz for your proof or do you have an unknown ace up your sleeve?
5. By the Bush “vanity war” do you mean that it was all his idea to pump up his ego or something? If so, why didn’t the ever prescient members of the Democrat party both in government and in the lofty heights of superior wisdom scream like banshees or other orders of old women in dire distress? You sure give a lot of credit to the idiot from Texas.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 9, 2007 @ 10:21 pm - September 9, 2007
Sh!t or get off the pot.
Compared to the inaction and lack of interest during the 90’s, I’d say that we did. Of course Bush could have sat on the pot like lord BJ and made empty promises, but he didn’t.
Plus, we were quite ready to deal with Iraq
But you just said that there was no reason to do so. Which is it?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 9, 2007 @ 10:57 pm - September 9, 2007
#52:
Dealing with the aftermath of overthrowing Saddam especially with the small force favored by Rumsfeld but opposed by those who understood what it would take e.g General Shinseiki. Even Bush the elder and Cheny himself at one time argued against overthrowing Saddam. I’ve been proven right in that I agreed with them that it would be a quagmire that we didn’t need to fight. As for the inspections they were in place and working. Hans Blix turned out to be far more aware of the truth of the situation that any of the Bushco liars. And yes, it was a vanity war.
Comment by Ian S — September 10, 2007 @ 12:01 am - September 10, 2007
Since everytime that I read a newspaper or watch TV, I see people waving the white flag and loudly perclaiming, “Bring the boys home!”
In view of that I would like to suggest (and its only a suggestion) that we all stand up, put our right hand over our heart, and as in the days of old, WE sang, “We Ain’t Coming Back Until its Over, Over There”. Oh, you don’t know the song? Sorry.
John W
P.S. Just being silly!!
Comment by John W — September 10, 2007 @ 1:37 am - September 10, 2007
Dealing with the aftermath of overthrowing Saddam especially with the small force favored by Rumsfeld but opposed by those who understood what it would take e.g General Shinseiki.
And how many body bags would be filled by “those who understood what it would take”?
How about those who understood what it would take and disagreed with Shinseki. Oh nevermind because liberals can idolize him and use that as a weak ass example of how they give a fcuk about our soldiers.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 10, 2007 @ 2:18 am - September 10, 2007
As for the inspections they were in place and working.
They were working for Saddam, the UN and their wallets. Too bad Bush pissed in their Cheerios.
WAAAAAHHH!!!! Somebody disrupted the corrupt liberal’s cash flow! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 10, 2007 @ 2:20 am - September 10, 2007
And how many body bags would be filled by “those who understood what it would take”?
Should have read:
And how many body bags would be filled as promissed by “those who understood what it would take”?
We were told early on that we would need thousands (I forget the exact number predicted) of body bags by “those who understood what it would take”. The same folks who promissed us that we’d be bogged down in urban combat in Baghdad.
In both cases, and many others, “those who understood what it would take” were wrong. Ian, on the other hand, doesn’t care either way. It’s his blind, sociopathic hatred of Bush that matters and anybody who disagrees with the president is a hero in his blood-shot eyes.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 10, 2007 @ 4:00 am - September 10, 2007
Thank God! for body bags. Every time we start into a military campaign, the press runs the big story of how many body bags the Pentagon is ordering. It is always some huge number.
We must have a stockpile of body bags that would accomodate all of Africa and half of Asia. Body bags are not sophisticated, technical equipment that must be updated regularly. They are not used for other purposes. They are not too difficult to manufacture and they don’t take up much room.
But they are always “being ordered” whenever the press says so.
We did not go into Iraq with the intention of occupying it. General Shinseki was duplicitous in his assessments because he was certain we must have a military government to gain control in Iraq, but he would not say it outright. His call for huge numbers of troops was his way of setting up “de facto” military occupation of Iraq.
Should we have taken military control or will the fledgling Iraqi government come out on top? Only time will tell. If we run like school girls, the answer is clear. Ultimately, OBL is dead right. The liberals in this country do not have the strength of character to stand for much of anything that doesn’t “feel good” to them. That includes looking radical Islam in the eye and seeing it for what it is. They are convinced that they can talk the terrorists out of their core beliefs.
Comment by Heliotrope — September 10, 2007 @ 9:00 am - September 10, 2007
The silliness of Ian’s party is demonstrated in their conceit that we don’t need to fight Islamic Fascism militarily, we should treat it as a police matter. (As though 9-11-2001 was an act of vandalism.)
Yet these seem people, whenever a terror plot is broken up before it comes to fruition, are the first to declare it “no big deal” or “amateur terrorist wannabes.” So, apparently, they even ridicule their own preferred approach to the Islamic Fascist menace.
So, why should anyone take anything they say about being tougher or smarter on terrorism seriously?
Comment by V the K — September 10, 2007 @ 3:58 pm - September 10, 2007
I tried to add something light and humous to our comments, but after that performance today I see nothing light or humorous. Hearing the slimy congressmen calling Gen. Petraeus a liar (who they invited there to speak) even before he had said a word is just too much for me. If that would have happened during WW2, those congressmen, befire sunset, would have been hanging from a tree.
Is that what I spent 4 years, 3 overseas, in the army for. I am lucky. I am here. Five of the boys that were in school with me are now in graves in France or in the cold water of the Pacific. Tell me - they didn’t die in vain?
John W
Comment by John W — September 10, 2007 @ 5:39 pm - September 10, 2007
42: Thanks for that. You have single-handedly called all Democrats (including myself, someone you don’t even know) of being traitors based on the conviction of a single person. Then again, it’s pretty much on par with the name-calling and blanket assumptions you engage in here.
Should I surmise that ALL gay Republicans are closeted, self-hating, toilet-trolling lawbreakers based on Senator Craig’s actions? I don’t think so. Or that ALL Republicans will stop at nothing, including treasonous acts to exact personal revenge against their enemies, like members of the White House staff did in the Wilson/Plame affair? I don’t think so.
Comment by Kevin — September 10, 2007 @ 6:54 pm - September 10, 2007
Should I surmise that ALL gay Republicans are closeted, self-hating, toilet-trolling lawbreakers based on Senator Craig’s actions? I don’t think so. Or that ALL Republicans will stop at nothing, including treasonous acts to exact personal revenge against their enemies, like members of the White House staff did in the Wilson/Plame affair? I don’t think so.
Based on that, you’re already a dishonest bastard. Why not? What you think is insignificant anyway.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 10, 2007 @ 10:08 pm - September 10, 2007
John W: They didn’t die in vain. And if I haven’t told you this before: Thank you for your service.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — September 10, 2007 @ 10:32 pm - September 10, 2007
#61:
Maybe in Nazi Germany but hopefully not in the USA. Is that what you fought for - generals running the country and executing anyone who questioned their rosy scenario statements?
So far, no, they didn’t. But with authoritarians like Bush/Cheney and their cult followers trying to turn this beacon of freedom into just another banana republic, perhaps they’ll wind up actually having died in vain.
Comment by Ian S — September 10, 2007 @ 11:25 pm - September 10, 2007
You have single-handedly called all Democrats (including myself, someone you don’t even know) of being traitors based on the conviction of a single person.
Yup.
Because, as is noted, instead of condemning her actions, you spin, obfuscate, and start screaming about Republicans.
One would think that if you truly opposed her actions, you could condemn them — much as this blog, myself, and other commentors made it clear we did for Larry Craig’s actions.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 11, 2007 @ 1:46 am - September 11, 2007
you’re an american treasure.
Comment by dev rios — September 13, 2007 @ 8:45 am - September 13, 2007