Inconvenient Truths for Al Gore

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1. [...] Original post by Average Gay Joe [...]

   Pingback by Politics: 2008 HQ » Blog Archive » Inconvenient Truths for Al Gore — October 21, 2007 @ 7:53 pm - October 21, 2007

2. Again I’ll pay a lot more attention to the global warming hysterics when 30% of the country…the leftists, start walking instead of driving, do without A/C, do their laudry by hand, and give up toilet paper. Unitl the leftists show me how dire the situation is, and how they are acting NOW, I’m not losing any sleep over a one degree rise in temps.

   Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — October 21, 2007 @ 9:46 pm - October 21, 2007

3. Remind me again:

   Who is it that’s actively trying to suppressing dissent? Isn’t dissent “patriotic”?

   Who is it that’s trying to control the masses, especially children, through fear? Isn’t this The Day After all over again?

   Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 22, 2007 @ 12:33 am - October 22, 2007

4. When people whose mission in life is to enlarge the government and diminish personal liberty tell you the only way to prevent global catastrophe is to enlarge government and diminish personal liberty… I think one has an obligation to respond with skepticism.

   Comment by V the K — October 22, 2007 @ 7:05 am - October 22, 2007

5. I think there’s starting to be a shift. This report is part of it.

   I think that for a very long time no one really paid attention. They heard about it and sort of half-way accepted it, but they didn’t really look at the issue closely. It was background noise.

   I think that a lot of these people are highly analytical people rather than the people most likely to be reached with emotional appeals. And now that they are looking at global warming analytically the global warming alarmists will find that the debate is not *over*… it’s begun.

   It *matters* if temperature pushes carbon or if carbon pushes temperature. This is not a trivial mistake. The appeals to cuddly polar bears who, it turns out, aren’t dying or endangered at all (and no reason to think they wouldn’t do fine in a warmer arctic) aren’t *science*. Analytical people care about pesky things like facts.

   News stories about global warming concentrate on this last century (with the exception of the erroneous carbon-temperature graph) but even a cursory knowledge of History gives a context of the medieval warm period or the fact that Greenland was a farming colony a thousand years ago.

   What caused warming then?

   And was it *bad*?

   And then, of course, is what must be a purposeful conflation of global warming with *human caused* global warming. Deny we’re at fault and they start throwing proof the globe is getting 2 or 3 degrees warmer at at you.

   This can *only* be used politically if people are at fault.

   Deniers aren’t denying that the world may well be getting warmer (though even that may fall, considering the projects to document the location of temperature recording stations) they are denying 1) that it’s proven to be caused by people, and 2) that it’s a bad thing.

   Comment by Synova — October 22, 2007 @ 12:36 pm - October 22, 2007

6. And frightening children for political purposes is obscene.

   Comment by Synova — October 22, 2007 @ 12:38 pm - October 22, 2007

7. V, speaking of which - and not to take this off-topic, but here goes - where were all the civil liberties, “We must defend free speech from encroaching government control” types during the recent Rush Limbaugh controversy?

   Think about it. The leader of the U.S. Senate tried to ‘chill’ and intimidate, if not to shut down, the free political speech of a *private citizen* on *privately owned radio stations*. What is the First Amendment intended to protect against, if not that? Ooops, I forgot - free speech only counts when it’s Democrats or other left-liberals slandering the troops.

   Comment by ILoveCapitalism — October 22, 2007 @ 12:40 pm - October 22, 2007

8. If Algore says the seas will rise 20 ft. and the IPCC says 20 centimeters, where’s the “consensus”?

   Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 22, 2007 @ 2:41 pm - October 22, 2007

9. I agree with Synova. I felt so bad for those children. Kids shouldn’t have to worry about stuff like that. It’s just plain disgusting that these fanatics try to scare children.

   Comment by BrianP — October 22, 2007 @ 3:31 pm - October 22, 2007

10. BrianP, when children are scared into believing that God is watching them and will cast them into Hell if they commit a cardinal sin without repenting… is that ok? Or how about Catholic (and other religions probably) school kids who were scared into believing that if they didn’t remain true to their religion, they were headed for eternal damnation… is that ok? When children are scared into believing that the Russians are poised and crazy enough to launch nuclear weapons at their country and hiding under a desk will “save” them… is that ok? When kids are scared into believing that evil lurks inches from them on the average school playground and you MUST fear all strangers… is that ok? When our society scares kids into wearing helmets to bike, not swing on swings higher than 8 ft off the ground, not slide down the slide head first, not ride your skateboard without knee pads, elbow pads, etc… is that ok? When our culture demonizes all Muslims by scaring all non-Muslims with the nonsense that Islamic people are inherently evil aka “Islamo-fascism”… is that ok? Don’t get me wrong; the threat is there… but for some, it’s become inordinate and controlling.

    I can still hear our childhood neighbor busybody Mom telling me and my friends not to climb trees for fear we’d fall and die or hurt little birds and squirrels in their nests or harm the tree. Glad to say I’ve learned to manage that fear she was teaching us (out of concern) and gone on to become a decent rock climber.

    Global warming is pretty tame compared to the nonsense about pagan babies going to Hell. Or Santa not bringing presents unless the kids submit to their parents’ will on x, y, or z issues.

    Society scares kids all the time in order to secure complicity and acquiescence. Managing fear is a part of life and growing into a well-ordered, responsible citizen. What we are taught to fear is less important than learning not to be crippled by that fear. That’s true with global warming… and Democrats –both bigger boogeymen than facts warrant. Well, maybe not Democrats.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 22, 2007 @ 5:09 pm - October 22, 2007

11. #10
    Did God or your parents tell you that polar bears are drowning? I don’t think so.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm - October 22, 2007

12. Should have said:

    Did God or your parents tell you that polar bears are drowning and it’s all your/mommy & daddy’s fault? I don’t think so.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 22, 2007 @ 7:11 pm - October 22, 2007

13. Check out Bjorn Lomborg’s take on the issue.

    http://www.lomborg.com/

    Comment by Russ — October 22, 2007 @ 8:45 pm - October 22, 2007

14. 9: And Stossel used those kids, showing them right after he showed a report from a competing network. Why didn’t he show a report from someone at ABC who made the same kind of report about Global Warming? I find it very funny that he took a group of younger children, who clearly were given this infomation by adults, yet were not old enough to get other information on their own or make different decisions for themselves. Of course if you get kids young enough, they are simply going to tell you what their parents and other elders tell them. I think he could get his point across with the adults in his story (which he did, from both sides of the coin) without using the kids.

    Comment by Kevin — October 22, 2007 @ 9:06 pm - October 22, 2007

15. As a Florida homeowner, I’m very grateful that mother nature has chosen to tamp down southern USA hurricanes this year as well as 2006. Have you checked out the utter ineptitude of the forecasts of 2006 and 2007?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — October 22, 2007 @ 9:12 pm - October 22, 2007

16. #14

    Wanna try again making more sense?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 22, 2007 @ 9:24 pm - October 22, 2007

17. TGC, nope –nor did the neighborhood busybody Mom. But distortions, stretching the truth, and scaring kids isn’t the sole province of the ManBearPigKiller, now is it? My point isn’t that AlGore’s science is flawed… well, non-existent in some cases. My point is that “scaring the kiddies” for gross political gain or other reasons isn’t worth a cluck as an indictment of his work.

    I think the better course for those who question the scientific veracity of ManBearPigKiller’s multiple claims of man-instigated environmental Armageddon ought to be to wage civil debate providing a counter argument… like we’ve done with MikeyMoore’s lies and documentaries. Not tsk tsk tsk the evil doers for scaring up the kiddies.

    Besides, sometimes scaring the crap out of kids is good –like to reduce teen smoking, showing the horrors of a high speed car crash to drivers ed students, or focusing on the life altering impact of teens burdened with an unwanted pregnancy.

    For me, getting scared that we would lose a lacrosse match or football game or wrestling tournament was enough to press me to do better. And in our neck of the woods, losing was the moral equivalent to bringing shame to our school, community, family, parents, coach(es), teammates.

    And after my Catholic school education, I’m still scared of an anonmymous red balloon floating through town and taking the kids away… not exactly what the nuns intended us to take away from that little gem of a movie, eh?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 22, 2007 @ 10:10 pm - October 22, 2007

18. #17
    Oh I agree with instilling some fear that will benefit the kids in the long run, however, this isn’t what Algore and his Gormons are doing.

    Global warmism is nowhere near the real threat we faced from the Soviet Union. It’s closer to the hysterically hyped threat that Reagan was going to blow us up, nuclear winter, Y2K etc. In fact, Y2K was more believable than global warmism and I didn’t buy that for a second eihter.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 23, 2007 @ 12:34 am - October 23, 2007

19. [...] A good introduction to the fraud that is the “the debate is over” crowd by John Stossell — but just the tip of the iceberg (forgive the pun) of the problems with their claims. (via gay patriot) [...]

    Pingback by HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS! « American Elephants — October 23, 2007 @ 3:15 am - October 23, 2007

20. Hey, if the “global warmism” threat is enough to get my 11 yr old to close the frig door, my 3 yr old to shut off the lights in his room or encourages them to ask other kids at school to carpool with classchums to sporting events, I think it’s a good thing. Kind of a waste of resources to get your kid to close the frig door… but, who expected the Gormons to be efficient? Not I.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 23, 2007 @ 7:40 am - October 23, 2007

21. Global warmism is nowhere near the real threat……

    When you have no useful agenda that can win in the arena of ideas, make one up that you can demagogue to death.

    When asked if he thought it would rain, Mark Twain replied: “It always has.” Well, climate change is a sure bet too. Now, if you throw the “man-made” element into it, you have the perfect ingredient for “enlightened planetary control” and gobs and gobs of government regulation, unionized bureaucracy, and tax schemes.

    What better plan for a socialist solution than to control the composition of, use of, and availability of toilet paper. This humble concept alone is the birth mother to a million ways to order and regiment a society.

    Most importantly, controlling climate change must become the dominant religion. It must scare little children into closing the fridge door. It must make recycling bins the modern altar. It must provide the leader with the trappings of Mother Nature’s human spokesman. (”Know ye this: It is not nce to fool mother nature!”)

    I fully expect Algore to burst into a rhetorical rant that will doom us all to floods, deserts, windstorms, ice, fire, drought, disease, famine, locusts, plague, rampant cancers, diseases of the eyes, lungs and toe nails, fits of depression and hives.

    He does not need any more than a consensus of willing “scientists.” He can count on the Nancy Pelosi’s of the world to legislate scientific fact.

    For me, Algore is a useful idiot. He is a real, living, breathing and well decorated example of how easily the willing masses of corruptable minions can be herded into believing their own brand of state religion. Eugene V. Debs, Marcus Garvey, Norman Thomas all helped pave the way for Algore and his Chicken Little Theater of world doom.

    But, sadly for Algore, his little dog and pony show just won’t play to the vast majority who see him as a typical fanatic holding sway over a cult group of born again Druids.

    Comment by Heliotrope — October 23, 2007 @ 10:43 am - October 23, 2007

22. Meanwhile, in Michigan the effort to Draft-Al-Gore-Away-From-Hollywood-&-Back-2-DC failed to place his name on the Jan 15th Democrat Presidential ballot… miserably.

    Anti-war activist and former Dem Congressional candidate Bob Alexander has been waging the campaign for months. He needed 12,400 signatures (not all necessarily valid) of Democrat Party voters. He and those minions of ManBearPigKiller got less than 2,800. Bob offered today he was disappointed… he raised about 1/5 of the money he needed to do it, too. Bob ran most of the effort up on Michigan State University’s campus in East Lansing. He should have come to Univ of Michigan campus… he’d have had 50,000+ signatures in a flash.

    Gore did carry Michigan in 2000 and Kerry took it in 2004.

    Underfunded, disorganized, candidate MIA, ineffectual campaign effort.

    Maybe the Draft Gore in Michigan folks stole FreddieThompson’s campaign strategy book?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 24, 2007 @ 2:37 pm - October 24, 2007

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