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Global Warming!!

Posted by GayPatriot at 6:00 pm - December 1, 2007.
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Yep… a whole lot of it is about to be dumped on the Northeast.   Enjoy our new era of Global Warming, Blue States!

It seems a bit more reminiscent of the era of big snow storms in the 1970s and 1980s, but whatever — I’m sure it is George Bush’s fault.

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-Bruce (GayPatriot) 

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  1. Whistling past the graveyard again, I see. Bruce, are you really suggesting that a December snowstorm in the midwest and northeast means global warming’s not taking place?

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 6:25 pm - December 1, 2007

  2. Making up crap again, I see. Ian, are you really suggesting that the natural, gradual recovery we’ve been experiencing since around 1800 or so from the Mini Ice Age of the 1500s – 1600s is a bad thing?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 1, 2007 @ 7:29 pm - December 1, 2007

  3. Or, alternatively, that it’s somehow not a natural and appropriate recovery from the Mini Ice Age?

    Those “hockey stick” temperature graphs you believe in that proclaim doom and 5-degree temperature rises have debunked, you know. And I think we all know, that’s what Bruce is getting at.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 1, 2007 @ 7:38 pm - December 1, 2007

  4. Um, yeah… because the “Global Warming Crisis” the enviro-cult of the left is always whining about would seem to suggest that the globe, um, would be getting warmer. Cold weather does seem to directly refute the hypothesis.

    The search for the elusive ManBearPig goes on.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2007 @ 8:06 pm - December 1, 2007

  5. Meanwhile, the UN gathers in Bali to discuss the Global Warming Crisis, flying in on so many private jets the local airport can not handle them off. (Funny how so many of these environmental conferences seem to take place in luxury vacation destinations?)

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2007 @ 8:07 pm - December 1, 2007

  6. I need some global warming here in LA. It’s getting down to a bone chilling 44 tonight! ;-)

    Comment by BrianP — December 1, 2007 @ 9:02 pm - December 1, 2007

  7. #6:

    I need some global warming here in LA.

    Well, you may already be getting it. If you enjoyed October’s wildfires, you’ll love what’s in store for you.

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 9:43 pm - December 1, 2007

  8. #2-3: The only things debunked are the junk science denialist studies funded by Exxon-Mobil.

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 9:49 pm - December 1, 2007

  9. #2-3: The only things debunked are the junk science denialist studies funded by Exxon-Mobil.

    Watch and learn

    The Great Global Warming Swindle
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6772058898203776825&q=global+warming+swindle+duration%3Along&total=18&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

    Comment by Vince P — December 1, 2007 @ 9:54 pm - December 1, 2007

  10. Oh, and Bruce: don’t you live in North Carolina? I think I’m going to save all your snarky Climate Change posts, compile them and present them to you in a few years when you’re complaining about how Bill Clinton didn’t do enough to prevent the climate change disaster! ;-)

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 9:55 pm - December 1, 2007

  11. #9: A friggin’ google video that’s been thoroughly debunked by real scientists? You must be kidding or simply “swindled” yourself. Read and learn.

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 10:07 pm - December 1, 2007

  12. Right.. as if such a biased source has any crediblity.

    Comment by Vince P — December 1, 2007 @ 10:19 pm - December 1, 2007

  13. The answer to whether or not global warming is really an issue of climate change is very simple: Ian, Al Gore, and the like give a free pass to the world’s two largest emitters of greenhouse gas (China and India).

    What global warming is about is finding an excuse to wreck the United States economy. And, as always, Democrats are more than willing to be the cats’ paws of people who want to do it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2007 @ 10:26 pm - December 1, 2007

  14. #13: Once again you are wrong: China and the US are the largest emitters of greenhouse gas. Per capita of course, the US is by far the largest emitter of greenhouse gases.

    Comment by Ian S — December 1, 2007 @ 10:48 pm - December 1, 2007

  15. Weather is not climate!

    Cold snaps, early snows, and warm spells are not indicative of global warming climate change.

    I think humans do have some impact on weather (urban heat islands, for example) but whether or not human factors, when compared to natural factors like solar output and geologic activity, affect climate is still debatable.

    Ian – the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It’s been hotter and it’s been colder. Glaciers once covered a good chunk of North America. The earth is not an indoor mall where it’s a comfortable 72 all the time.

    I’ve asked this before but have yet to get an answer: Assuming that humans are causing global warming AND that any warming is a Bad Thing, what should we do about it?

    I’ve yet to see any politcian who’s jumped on the climiate bandwagon make any proposal that would actually make a difference. Bashing Exxon/Mobil is pointless. When I see, say, Hillary Clinton explain to us why $5 gas and an economic contraction would be good for us, I’ll start taking it seriously.

    In most of the west, birth rates are already below replacement. So if population control is the answer, I look forward to UN proposals to slow rapid population growth in Third World countries (and I especially look forward to watching the the eco-weenies explain to developing peoples why they shouldn’t aspire to the same material quality of life that we take for granted).

    Comment by Robert — December 1, 2007 @ 11:04 pm - December 1, 2007

  16. Yeah, Ian never mentions to explain why the High Priests of the Cult of Environmentalism are still jetting around in their Gulfstreams to exotic locales, whence they will lecture the rest of us on the need to make sacrifices in honor of the Goddess Gaia.

    Nor can he account for the odd coincidence that the Earth’s one perfect ideal temperature happens to be the temperature during the youth of the baby boom generation.

    Nor can he explain why, despite the desperate crisis the world faces, Ted and Robby Kennedy oppose the construction of a wind farm in a place where it might be viewed from their yachts.

    There is one simple explanation for this set of facts … and that is that Global Warming is a crock desitned to enlarge the power of government, justify a massive transfer of wealth (carbon credits), and give the elites an excuse to diminish everyone else’s standard of living while they keep their private jets, yachts, and massive homes.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 12:21 am - December 2, 2007

  17. And Ian also manages a twofer; denying that China and India are the largest emitters AND completely dodging the question of why he, Al Gore, the Democrat Party, and the global climate alarmists are exempting them from having to do anything, even though they’re pumping out enormous amounts, because they’re “developing nations”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 2, 2007 @ 1:46 am - December 2, 2007

  18. that’s been thoroughly debunked by real scientists?

    And who funds those “real scientists”????

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 2, 2007 @ 6:59 am - December 2, 2007

  19. And who funds those “real scientists”????

    Um, would that be, environmental groups and governments who want to leverage the “Global Warming Crisis” to gain more money and power?

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 9:43 am - December 2, 2007

  20. As one who is not convinced either way regarding global warming, I admit that I’m not sure what the point of the post is. Is it supposed to be a joke? Or is this snowstorm supposed to be evidence that there isn’t global warming? I don’t think even Al Gore said that snowstorms would become extinct. Just as I don’t think the warm January we had last year was evidence of global warming.

    Whether India is number two or three in terms of greenouse gases, any agreement should include China and India. As they continue to grow, their energy usage will continue to skyrocket. In fact, they are already saying that in the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, some of the events may have to occur after the Olympics officially close, because of the smog. Of course, there are other reasons why having the Olympics there was a huge mistake, but I digress.

    Comment by Pat — December 2, 2007 @ 10:01 am - December 2, 2007

  21. I don’t think even Al Gore said that snowstorms would become extinct.

    Maybe not, but every summer when it gets hot, people scream global warming. As if before summers were cool and pleasant.
    Now in California we may be entering another period of drought. We had one 20 years ago, and that was due to climate cycles, now it’s only because of global warming.

    You can’t have it both ways, using local weather when you want and discarding it when it doesn’t suit you any more.

    Comment by Leah — December 2, 2007 @ 10:12 am - December 2, 2007

  22. The Earth’s climate has cycled for as long as the Earth has had a climate, primarily driven by that giant fusion reactor in the middle of our solar system. Then. the baby boomers, the most narcissistic and arrogant generation in human history came along. Having been raised from childhood to believe the world revolves around them, they automatically assume that if the climate is varying, it must be because of them. And, furthermore, the baby boomers assert that the Earth’s ideal climate, naturally, happened while they were young.

    And since large parts of this generation had turned their backs on God, the environment (Gaia) became their new religion. Carbon use became their sin, and they even set up carbon credit systems that mirrored the old Roman Catholic practices of selling indulgences. Those who criticize their religion are marked as heretics. They believe that ManBearPig is out to destroy the Earth just as fervently as Ahmadinejihad believes the 12th Imam is hiding in a well.

    Meanwhile, politicians saw an opportunity to expand their power. In Britain, they want to limit the proletariat to one airline flight per year (while keeping their own private jets of course.) Politicians offer billions in grants to scientists to conduct studies to prove Global Warming is real, and naturally, scientists say Global Warming is real in order to get the grants. Meanwhile, shysters like Al Gore set themselves up to make billions in “carbon trading” schemes.

    And not even Ian, the “Spaulding Gray of crap” can spin why the UN has to send fleets of private jets to Bali, or why Ted Kennedy doesn’t seem to think averting climate catastrophe justifies building a few windmills out by where he yachts. I guess those talking points haven’t been written for him yet.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 10:37 am - December 2, 2007

  23. Thanks Ian for #10 and the very funny last line. My partner also reads this blogette occasionally (not a commenter, GPCTs, just a reader – much in the same way that one might read The Onion, NRO, etc.), saw the blogger’s latest delirious mocking of climate change and said, apropos, “that little partisan screamer doesn’t realize that, when his party comes around on this issue (as they inevitably do on all issues), he’s going to be stuck with these denialist droppings all over the Internet.” To which I replied, “ah, he’ll just say it was youthful indiscretion.”

    Comment by KYKid — December 2, 2007 @ 10:49 am - December 2, 2007

  24. Amen Leah in #21 — tell that to the blogger here.

    Comment by KYKid — December 2, 2007 @ 10:50 am - December 2, 2007

  25. The global warming chicken doves …the sky is falling. When I heard them say fires, hot spells, cold spells and hurricanes are all part of global “warming” I kinda knew it was made up stuff. Next time you hear a liberal whine about global warming, do what I do….ask em if THEY have given up toilet paper, driving, and fast food. hehe Last week a scientist said some new tree ring studies proves a global warming period in the 1700’s. Those damn injuns. Too many camp fires!

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 2, 2007 @ 11:33 am - December 2, 2007

  26. Some ambitious soul with too much time on his hands has compiled a list of things that have so far been blamed on ManBearPig (Global Warming for you geezers).

    Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, Africa hit hardest, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic lakes disappear, asthma, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, beetle infestation, bet for $10,000, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, bird visitors drop, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, bluetongue, boredom, bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain Siberian, British gardens change, brothels struggle, bubonic plague, budget increases, Buddhist temple threatened, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north, cancer deaths in England, cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, childhood insomnia, Cholera, circumcision in decline, cirrus disappearance, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cockroach migration, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, cremation to end, crime increase, crocodile sex, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, death rate increase (US), Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, early marriages, early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth spins faster, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El Niño intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, equality threatened, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, not polar bears, barrier reef, leaches), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California, fading fall foliage, famine, farmers go under, fashion disaster, fever,figurehead sacked, fir cone bonanza, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks at risk, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, flesh eating disease, flood patterns change, floods, floods of beaches and cities, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frostbite, frosts, fungi fruitful, fungi invasion, games change, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, gingerbread houses collapse, glacial earthquakes, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, god melts, golf Masters wrecked, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Grey whales lose weight, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, health of children harmed, heart disease, heart attacks and strokes (Australia), heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, homeless 50 million, hornets, high court debates, human development faces unprecedented reversal, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hurricane reduction, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths, ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, illness and death, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, inflation in China, insurance premium rises, invasion of cats, invasion of herons, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, kitten boom, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, lake shrinking and growing, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, lush growth in rain forests, Lyme disease, Malaria, malnutrition, mammoth dung melt, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, monkeys on the move, Mont Blanc grows, monuments imperiled, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mortality lower, mudslides, National security implications, new islands, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, Northwest Passage opened, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, ocean waves speed up, opera house to be destroyed, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise, Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, porpoise astray, profits collapse, psychosocial disturbances, puffin decline, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, rape wave, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice threatened, rice yields crash, riches, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers dry up, river flow impacted, rivers raised, roads wear out, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease, ruins ruined, salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, satellites accelerate, school closures, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, seals mating more, sewer bills rise, sex change, sharks booming, sharks moving north, sheep shrink, shop closures, shrinking ponds, shrinking shrine, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smaller brains, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall heavy, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, space problem, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed, street crime to increase, suicide, taxes, tectonic plate movement, teenage drinking, terrorism, threat to peace, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade barriers, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees in trouble, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, trees lush, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles crash, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Vampire moths, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions, walrus displaced, walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, wars threaten billions, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine – harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine – more English, wine -German boon, wine – no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, World in flames, Yellow fever.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am - December 2, 2007

  27. KY – since Ian hasn’t taken a stab at answering the question I asked in #15, perhaps you might give it a shot?

    VtK in #22 mentions a concrete proposal in the UK (limiting the proles to one flight per year – round-trip I hope). It will be interesting to see how that goes once thousands of people in the air transport industry are made “redundant”.

    I can’t really see John Edwards, campaigning in Washington, telling tens of thousands of Boeing employees that they have to give up their jobs in the interest of saving the earth from an likely-imaginary threat.

    Comment by Robert — December 2, 2007 @ 12:51 pm - December 2, 2007

  28. What is completely hilarious is that KYKid (#24) is hurrah-ing Leah (#21) who is sticking up for *my* point. LOL.

    How old are you KY? Did you get past 8th Grade Reading Comprehension?????

    Comment by GayPatriot — December 2, 2007 @ 1:10 pm - December 2, 2007

  29. I live in Maine, so I’m batting down the hatches for this storm. We’ve become such wusses. Everybody is buying tons of groceries & the weatherpeople are breathlessly making predictions. Hey guys, it’s December in Maine. It snows – global warming or not.

    Comment by Jimbo — December 2, 2007 @ 2:14 pm - December 2, 2007

  30. GP, would you then mind spelling it out for me as well, because I’m missing your point, and I suspect that those that agree with you on the global warming issue are missing your point. I also agree with Leah’s point. You can’t base a claim for or against based on a snowstorm in the winter, or a 70 degree day in January.

    Comment by Pat — December 2, 2007 @ 2:16 pm - December 2, 2007

  31. I’m too old and I’ve been around too long to fall for this global warming nonsense. The sky is always falling with liberals, and it’s always the same solution: less liberty “for the common good” (read: more state control and regulations). Half of the human race was supposed to be dead of starvation by 2000 back in 1970 due to “overpopulation.,” and it didn’t happen — quite the reverse, thanks to capitalism. Three-mile island? Not even a zit. Reagan’s going to cause nuclear war! Oops, no, he brought down the USSR, and not a shot was fired. It’s always fear, fear, fear of imaginary boogie men, and poo-pooing well-justified fear, you know, not of things that go bump in the night, but oh, take your pick, how about Islamic terrorists. Whether PCBs or “chemicals,” or overpopulation or obesity (when it’s not starvation) or global warming, it’s nothing but spewage.

    None of this has ever been about the environment. It’s always about establishing power over others — at the expense of liberty. And that’s all it will ever be about. That’s precisely why all these idiot actors take jets all over the world to preach about global warming, because neither they, nor their choirs, give a flying frak about the environment.

    Comment by rightwingprof — December 2, 2007 @ 2:28 pm - December 2, 2007

  32. #30
    What is it about Yep… a whole lot of it is about to be dumped on the Northeast. don’t you understand? Further, I don’t think Leah was addressing GP, but rather backing up his comment.

    It’s called illustrating absurdity by being absurd.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 2, 2007 @ 3:38 pm - December 2, 2007

  33. BTW, it’s 82F here in Lakeland. After the front comes through, it will only get up to 70 on Tuesday. Guess I’m supposed to believe that’s abnormal for Florida in December.

    #26
    Lotsa contradictions there, but we don’t DARE question the “real scientist” gods of Goremonism.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 2, 2007 @ 3:43 pm - December 2, 2007

  34. Pat, I don’t think GP was trying to say that a December snowstorm disproves the ManBearPig hypothesis, but since the Cult of ManBearPig blame every storm, every hurricane, and every above average temperature day on global warming makes it fair to throw it right back at them when the weather turns cold.

    The enviro-cultists want us to massively reorganize our society, diminish our standard of living, and give up our basic freedoms so that they can “save the planet,” We ought to damn well be skeptical of them.

    Still waiting for the house lefties to spin away the massive fleet of private jets heading to Bali, so the global elites can tell us little people to scale back our lifestyles.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 4:01 pm - December 2, 2007

  35. In #28, teh Blogger is SOOOO slow out of the gate. Writes this (in the freaking {npi} top post of all places)…

    Blogger: “Yep… a whole lot of it is about to be dumped on the Northeast. Enjoy our new era of Global Warming, Blue States!”

    To which Leah commented (and I agreed): “You can’t have it both ways, using local weather when you want and discarding it when it doesn’t suit you anymore.”

    And teh Blogger STILL doesn’t get it, which would make my “8th grade” reading comprehension skills about 7 levels above his.

    [GP Ed. Note - keep reading, Kid. Pat hit the nail on the head. Back to 8th grade for you.]

    Comment by KYKid — December 2, 2007 @ 7:21 pm - December 2, 2007

  36. Pat, I don’t think GP was trying to say that a December snowstorm disproves the ManBearPig hypothesis, but since the Cult of ManBearPig blame every storm, every hurricane, and every above average temperature day on global warming makes it fair to throw it right back at them when the weather turns cold.

    V the K, that’s sort of what I thought. I guess I would have taken a different tack to do that. And as I thought, some others who agree with you and GP didn’t get what we believe his point was.

    Comment by Pat — December 2, 2007 @ 7:24 pm - December 2, 2007

  37. and every above average temperature day on global warming

    Hell, it doesn’t even have to be above average. It just has to be warmer than they “remember” or just plain warm.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 2, 2007 @ 7:29 pm - December 2, 2007

  38. To Pat in #30 — completely understandable if you missed his point. They’re usually not actually “points” in the sense that we expect “points” to be — more like spasms of web rage. Imagine a brain (and I know it’s difficult in the case under study here) and imagine that brain encountering information it can’t understand — information which hasn’t yet been adopted by The Party. What do you have? Synapses mis-firing all over the place — leading to top posts such as that we’re now hopelessly bogged under.

    Comment by KYKid — December 2, 2007 @ 7:30 pm - December 2, 2007

  39. ky: are you self diagnosing?

    Comment by Vince P — December 2, 2007 @ 7:33 pm - December 2, 2007

  40. I wonder what impact on the temperture this is going to have:

    Israeli scientist: The September raid on Syria hit a nuclear bomb factory

    http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/02/israeli-scientist-the-september-raid-on-syria-hit-a-nuclear-bomb-factory/

    posted at 7:40 pm on December 2, 2007 by Bryan
    Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Not a nuclear reactor. A nuclear bomb factory, with North Korea providing the plutonium.

    Professor Uzi Even of Tel Aviv University was one of the founders of the Israeli nuclear reactor at Dimona, the source of the Jewish state’s undeclared nuclear arsenal.

    “I suspect that it was a plant for processing plutonium, namely, a factory for assembling the bomb,” he said. “I think the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] transferred to Syria weapons-grade plutonium in raw form, that is nuggets of easily transported metal in protective cans. I think the shaping and casting of the plutonium was supposed to be in Syria.”
    —
    From beneath the veil of military censorship, western commentators have formed a consensus that the target was a nuclear reactor under construction.

    But Even said that purely from scientific observation, he had reached a different conclusion – that it was a nuclear bomb factory, posing a more immediate danger to Israel. He said that satellite photos of the site, taken before the Israeli strike on September 6, showed no sign of the cooling towers and chimneys characteristic of nuclear reactors.

    Syria’s haste after the attack to bury the site under tons of soil suggested that hundreds of square yards were contaminated and there were fears of radiation, the professor added.

    Since then the Syrians have sealed up the location, levelled the site and diverted curious journalists to a place that had not been attacked by Israel.

    The professor’s theory fits with authoritative technical evidence about North Korea’s nuclear weapons programme. The North Koreans are able to produce weapons-grade plutonium, which is electro-refined, alloyed and cast into shapes ready to be machined to fit into a warhead, according to a team of distinguished American nuclear weapons scientists who visited the country’s laboratories.

    I’ll stress that this is one scientist’s theory, but given who the scientist is and the secrecy that has followed the raid and the story that followed about how close the raid came to sparking a wider war, it makes as much sense as anything else. It does sort of fit with an earlier report that Israel’s target was Syrian missiles. The target could have been Syrian missiles that were being fit with nuclear payloads. It would be difficult to imagine a more urgent scenario, one that forced the Israelis to act, than that.

    Comment by Vince P — December 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm - December 2, 2007

  41. #15:

    Assuming that humans are causing global warming AND that any warming is a Bad Thing, what should we do about it?

    The key is to reduce our use of of fossil fuels and increase our carbon sink capacity. The former can be accomplished through promotion of renewable energy resources and non-fossil energy such as nuclear. There is absolutely no reason we can’t build and maintain safe nuclear plants as well as devise effective means for dealing with the radioactive byproducts. Solar energy must be encouraged in areas like the southwest where it’s viable for electricity generation. In addition, we can mandate increases in fuel economy for transportation. As for carbon sinks, the most obvious concept would involve reforestation especially in the tropics.

    Unfortunately, we may have already passed the point of no return; still, anything we can do to alleviate the effects of climate change will be worth the effort in the long run.

    Comment by Ian S — December 2, 2007 @ 8:10 pm - December 2, 2007

  42. Say, Ian, you know the crowd here better than I do. Is the one right up above taking anything for that?

    Comment by KYKid — December 2, 2007 @ 8:16 pm - December 2, 2007

  43. #35: What’s hilarious KYKid is that it was only days ago that Bruce posted about not resorting to personal insults! Around here I guess, what’s sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander.

    Comment by Ian S — December 2, 2007 @ 8:19 pm - December 2, 2007

  44. Unfortunately, we may have already passed the point of no return

    This is how I know you and the other AGW believers are just making this up as you go along.

    Plus in any case… temperature increases always PRECEDED increases in CO2 in the air.. so CO2 is not the catalyst for rising temps.

    http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V3/N37/C1.jsp

    Increases (decreases) in air temperature drive increases (decreases) in atmospheric CO2 concentration, and not vice versa. Hence, it is not rational to claim, as climate alarmists always do, that the weak correlation between global mean air temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration that exists over parts of the last century is evidence that the historical increase in this minute trace gas of earth’s atmosphere is the cause of the intermittently observed warming that has sometimes occurred over this period. It is much more likely that, if anything, just the opposite is true.

    Comment by Vince P — December 2, 2007 @ 8:31 pm - December 2, 2007

  45. #44:

    temperature increases always PRECEDED increases in CO2 in the air

    Wrong. Read and learn.

    Comment by Ian S — December 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm - December 2, 2007

  46. #42:

    Is the one right up above taking anything for that?

    If he is, it’s not working very well. ;-)

    Comment by Ian S — December 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm - December 2, 2007

  47. Talk about being on something.. you believe in some phantom climate conspiracy that requires the drastic transformation of our way of life.. yet.. seem to deny the Muslims are up to something nasty.

    I think this global warming hysteria is an outlet for folks like you who want to deny the real global threat yet tell yurselves you’re doing something good about a non-existant global threat.

    Comment by Vince P — December 2, 2007 @ 9:34 pm - December 2, 2007

  48. Well, to be fair, I have to Ian marks for mentioning nuclear power as an alternative.

    Reforestation in the Amazon might be a tough sell – the rising populations down there have other ideas.

    Comment by Robert — December 2, 2007 @ 9:40 pm - December 2, 2007

  49. There is absolutely no reason we can’t build and maintain safe nuclear plants as well as devise effective means for dealing with the radioactive byproducts.

    Only that the eco-freaks that Ian’s Sorocrats are allied with don’t want them. Just like Ted Kennedy and John Kerry don’t want wind farms near their yachting areas.

    In addition, we can mandate increases in fuel economy for transportation.

    By limiting vehicle and travel choices for the proletariat, while Al Gore, John Kerry, and Nancy Pelosi still haul themselves around in private jets.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2007 @ 10:39 pm - December 2, 2007

  50. Anything that’ll kill you if you’re in an enclosed garage with it (the CO2 from your car running), can’t be good on a large scale. It’s poison.

    Comment by Chase — December 2, 2007 @ 11:17 pm - December 2, 2007

  51. #47:

    requires the drastic transformation of our way of life

    Spare me the histrionics. Nothing I’ve suggested will require any drastic change in your lifestyle. The republic survived over 200 years without Hummers – gas guzzlers are not essential to your “lifestyle.” I would love to install solar panels on my roof and hook them into the grid but the $35K-$50K required is not in my budget right now. Perhaps the Feds could help out a bit more than they do but they’re obviously too busy pouring money into a corrupt black hole in Iraq.

    Comment by Ian S — December 2, 2007 @ 11:18 pm - December 2, 2007

  52. Ahem:

    They’re usually not actually “points” in the sense that we expect “points” to be
    K-Y

    You mean DNC lying points.

    Anything that’ll kill you if you’re in an enclosed garage with it (the CO2 from your car running), can’t be good on a large scale. It’s poison.
    Comment by Chase

    So’s oxygen. What about that?

    I would love to install solar panels on my roof…

    And what are you going to do with all those batteries when it comes time to change them?

    Perhaps the Feds could help out a bit more than they do

    In other words, you want us to pay for it. Nice.

    but they’re obviously too busy pouring money into a corrupt black hole in Iraq.

    Comment by Ian

    Pay no attention to the liberal created corrupt black holes of the “war on poverty”, Socialist Stupidity, Medicaid/Medicare, public education etc. etc. etc. Just ignore the TRILLIONS we’ve flushed away on liberal programs to prove how much they care. Nevermind that they destroy lives and families in the process, their intentions are what’s paramount.

    Perhaps, in a way, Ian is right. Instead of helping others in the world obtain their God given freedom (they’re just dirty camel jockeys as far as he’s concerned), we should be focusing on obtaining our own freedom from the liberalism and socialism that has destroyed millions here.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 2, 2007 @ 11:47 pm - December 2, 2007

  53. Interesting how the 1500/1600s are noted here, completely ignoring the fact that man-made chemicals weren’t spewed into the atmosphere at those times like, oh, say, say beginning in the late 1800s

    Comment by Kevin — December 3, 2007 @ 12:29 am - December 3, 2007

  54. TGC, I don’t think Ian, Astroglide, or the other lefties care if Global Warming is a scam, as long as it’s a scam that helps Sorocrats and and vastly expands the power and scope of government. None of them even try to explain why Al Gore and the others exempt themselves from the restrictions they want to place on the rest of us.

    Comment by V the K — December 3, 2007 @ 5:14 am - December 3, 2007

  55. I also gotta remember, when I was in elementary school, the media and the left told us all the oil was going to be used up by 1997, pollution would destroy the environment, whales would be extinct by 1985, and by the year 2000, the Earth would be so overpopulated, we’d be resorting to cannibalism. That’s if the killer bees didn’t get us first.

    Then, in the 1980’s, we were told nuclear war was inevitable unless the US unilaterally disarmed and that AIDS would kill more people than the Black Plague.

    Then in the 1990’s, we were told that crack babies would grow up to be “super-predators” and Y2K was going to bring down civilization. (Meanwhile, the threat of terrorism was largely blown off by the same people.)

    It’s amazing that so many people are so stupid and so gullible that they buy into every over-hyped media/leftist “crisis” that comes along, no matter how many times they get fooled.

    Comment by V the K — December 3, 2007 @ 7:27 am - December 3, 2007

  56. To answer Number 15: If GW is AGW, what can/should we do about it.

    This is trivial to fix. Build SSTOs. Lots of them. Put up 5000 squares of silvered mylar. Attach control surfaces. If the temperature rises, turn them 90 to the sun-earth axis and reflect sunlight/heat off into space.

    If the temperature remains constant, turn them 0 degrees to the sun-earth axis.

    If the temperature falls, move them outside the sun-earth axis, and point them 45 degrees to the axis, and import heat.

    VOILA, problem solved. For about 1% of the cost of destroying the economies of the civilised world.

    I do not believe humans have as yet had an measurable effect on the earths climate. However, as Jerry Pournelle has stated, running an open ended experiment on discharging CO2 into the atmosphere may not be a great idea. But destroying the worlds economy will kill more than any possible GW effects IMNSHO.

    Comment by Tim McDonald — December 3, 2007 @ 12:14 pm - December 3, 2007

  57. Yes, 99% of the world’s climatologists are part of a grand conspiracy to destroy the global economy for what purpose exactly? And you people make fun of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists? LOL

    Comment by Houndentenor — December 3, 2007 @ 12:23 pm - December 3, 2007

  58. Houndentenor, as I pointed out above, the fact that global warming is primarily about economic warfare has to do with the fact that the developing economies — the largest polluters — are EXCLUDED from any sort of emissions controls.

    China, India, and the other developing economies are not stupid. Purchase American and leftist politicians who are, and you can cripple your greatest competitors by forcing them to accept constraints that you have no intention of accepting yourself.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 3, 2007 @ 12:49 pm - December 3, 2007

  59. Yes, 99% of the world’s climatologists are part of a grand conspiracy to destroy the global economy for what purpose exactly? And you people make fun of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists? LOL

    Comment by Houndentenor — December 3, 2007 @ 12:23 pm – December 3, 2007

    Oh my.. “the debate is over”… yeah right!

    You mean humankind has figured out how Earth’s climate works to the finest detail?

    I’m supposed to take this seriously? Give me a break.

    Here’s another example of an Leftist who can’t abide someone disagreeing with him. It’s not enough that people have another opinion… no.. no dissent allowed.

    Here the Leftist is saying if you’re disputing manmade global warming you are going against 99% of ALL SCIENTISTS. In other words, you are illegitimate.. you should be ignored.. nothing you say should be heeded.

    This whole thing is about political control.

    Comment by Vince P — December 3, 2007 @ 1:03 pm - December 3, 2007

  60. Yes, 99% of the world’s climatologists are part of a grand conspiracy to destroy the global economy for what purpose exactly?

    Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. In fact, most of the scientists who support AGW Theory are not climatologists. Among actual climatologists, we are far from a “consensus” on AGW.

    So do some new research, Houndentenor. Get up-to-date.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 3, 2007 @ 1:23 pm - December 3, 2007

  61. This whole thing is about political control.

    Don’t forget money.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 3, 2007 @ 1:46 pm - December 3, 2007

  62. D’oh!

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 3, 2007 @ 1:46 pm - December 3, 2007

  63. We have all been neglecting a fundamental solution to this problem of global warming, that requires neither liberal programs nor conservative constrained spending.

    We need more pirates.

    (Hey, I believe in global climate change and this as good an explanation as any in my book.)

    Comment by Mike — December 3, 2007 @ 4:16 pm - December 3, 2007

  64. I’m not ignoring anything. I’m happy to hear from actual scientists, and yes I too am tired of hearing from celebrities on this topic. But ignoring a large part of the scientific communinty because of your political agenda makes you no better than the “leftists” you so regularly denounce. You’re doing just what you rant about. Ignoring evidence you don’t like or that doesn’t fit what you have already chosen to believe.

    Every time it’s cold or it snows some rightwing idiot remarks that this disproves global warming. You aren’t that stupid. And honestly remarks like that make it very easy for people like me to ignore anythign you might have to say.

    Comment by Houndentenor — December 3, 2007 @ 4:42 pm - December 3, 2007

  65. #64: Houndentenor, you’re probably wasting your time trying to disabuse the climate change denialists of their deeply held superstitions. By the time it eventually sinks in that they’ve been terribly wrong, they’ll just turn around and blame Bill Clinton for not solving the problem when he was President.

    Comment by Ian S — December 3, 2007 @ 8:07 pm - December 3, 2007

  66. Just like waiting for the lefty Sorocrats to explain why Ted Kennedy opposes renewable energy production if it obstructs his views while yachting, or why Al Gore won’t give up his private jets. Suggests to me that they don’t believe any of this catastrophic global warming crap either.

    Comment by V the K — December 3, 2007 @ 8:33 pm - December 3, 2007

  67. wow we’re reducing CO2 emmissions without even trying

    AN INCONVENIENT REDUCTION ; U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide fell by 1.8 percent from 2005 to 2006.
    ncpa.org ^ | December 3, 2007

    Posted on 12/03/2007 7:17:37 PM CST by InvisibleChurch

    While thousands of government officials, diplomats, non-governmental organizations and journalists gather in Bali this week for the United Nations’ global warming meeting, it’s likely that little will be said about America’s successful record on curbing emissions without a cap system, says the Wall Street Journal.

    Consider:

    The Bush Administration announced recently that U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide fell by 1.8 percent from 2005 to 2006. Output of all greenhouse gases was down 1.5 percent last year; all this while the American economy grew by 2.9 percent. Further, the European Union (EU) hasn’t yet released figures for 2006, but from 2000 to 2005, the United States outperformed Western Europe:

    Carbon emissions were up 3.8 percent in the so-called EU-15 during those years, versus 2.5 percent in the United States. Over the same period, there has been virtually no difference between the increase in all greenhouse emissions in the United States and EU-15. Critics immediately pointed to the Energy Department’s acknowledgment that the reductions were in part due to higher energy prices and favorable weather, says the Journal. But greater use of lower-carbon energy sources, including natural gas, also played a big role. The U.S. reduction also suggests that letting markets work through higher prices will reduce carbon emissions more than the cap and trade mandates favored by environmental lobbies and most Democrats.

    Comment by Vince P — December 4, 2007 @ 12:23 am - December 4, 2007

  68. By the time it eventually sinks in that they’ve been terribly wrong, they’ll just turn around and blame Bill Clinton for not solving the problem when he was President.

    I call bullshit considering the Goremons are always tacking on another 10, 20 or 100 years until our eventual demise. Not only that, if one bothers to pay attention, they contradict themselves almost every day.

    Global Warmism is the new Y2K with the added benefit of more taxes and more absolute power for the liberals. You know, the same ass clowns whose only accomplishment this year is the worst approval ratings in history?

    Think about it…if they have no clue what a civil war is, how in the hell are they going to save the world? Sucking up to the unions and the trial lawyers ain’t the answer.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 4, 2007 @ 3:25 am - December 4, 2007

  69. Since the Gaia Cultists refuse to address any of my points, let me boil it down to a simple question… Why should I give up my full-size pickup if Al Gore won’t give up his fleet of private jets?

    Comment by V the K — December 4, 2007 @ 8:34 am - December 4, 2007

  70. Why should I give up my full-size pickup if Al Gore won’t give up his fleet of private jets?

    Perfect. (Or SUV, trip to Hawaii, etc.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 4, 2007 @ 10:49 am - December 4, 2007

  71. Uh oh.. looks like we’re about to have a little ice age.

    I get so confused about who to believe

    From the EU Referendum Blog

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/12/keep-watching-sun.html

    Dr David Whitehouse, an astronomer and the author of ‘The Sun: A Biography’ writes in The Independent today that we might be about to enter a period of unusually low sun activity. Such periods, in the past, have been associated with low temperatures on planet Earth.

    Some members of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Whitehouse writes, say we may be at the start of a period like that seen between 1790 and 1820, a minor decline in solar activity called the Dalton Minimum. They estimate that the Sun’s reduced activity may cause a global temperature drop of 1.5C by 2020. This is larger than most sensible predictions of man-made global warming over this period.

    This is something we must take seriously, Whitehouse adds. What happened in the 17th century is bound to happen again some time. Recent work studying the periods when our Sun loses its sunspots, along with data on other Sun-like stars that may be behaving in the same way, suggests that our Sun may spend between 10 and 25 per cent of the time in this state.

    He moots that the lateness of the expected cycle of sunspots might even be the start of another Little Ice Age. If so, then our Sun might come to our rescue over climate change, mitigating mankind’s influence and allowing us more time to act. It might even be the case that the Earth’s response to low solar activity will overturn many of our assumptions about man’s influence on climate change. We don’t know. We must keep watching the sun.

    I wonder if they are watching in Brussels.

    Comment by Vince P — December 5, 2007 @ 11:23 am - December 5, 2007

  72. Could ian and other liberals list for us the daily sacrifices they have made to save the planet? Or since he has said we may have already waited too long to act, has he just given up on specifics to save us all. Kinda similar to ALGORE.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — December 5, 2007 @ 3:21 pm - December 5, 2007

  73. fun farm animal facts…

    You must put a lot of work into blogging this much!…

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