Comments on: NEW REPUBLIC FINALLY ADMITSSCOTT BEAUCHAMP STORIES ARE FALSE http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:50:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72396 ILoveCapitalism Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:47:36 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72396 Hat tip Confederate Yankee: <a href="http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2007/12/misty-watercolo.html" rel="nofollow">Iowahawk has another classic parody</a> of Foer's "blamestorm". :-) Hat tip Confederate Yankee: Iowahawk has another classic parody of Foer’s “blamestorm”. :-)

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72383 Vince P Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:16:49 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72383 Speaking of Iraq... there's a great article out by officials who have been translating Saddam Hussien regime's paperwork vis a vis WMD.... There's some very interesting finds they discovered as well as lots of criticism about how the US Govt has managed the war as well as issues regarding the truth about WMD http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=09F9FC90-1752-4965-8D02-D2EFD4FB112B Speaking of Iraq… there’s a great article out by officials who have been translating Saddam Hussien regime’s paperwork vis a vis WMD…. There’s some very interesting finds they discovered as well as lots of criticism about how the US Govt has managed the war as well as issues regarding the truth about WMD

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=09F9FC90-1752-4965-8D02-D2EFD4FB112B

]]> By: MARGO http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72382 MARGO Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:20:14 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72382 #30 You're absolutely correct. Afterall, it was the military itself that "exposed" abu ghraib. They had already been investigating the situation long before we all heard about it. #30
You’re absolutely correct. Afterall, it was the military itself that “exposed” abu ghraib. They had already been investigating the situation long before we all heard about it.

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72412 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:30:35 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72412 <blockquote>No matter how much Foer may believe it, TNR is not the victim here and assertions to the contrary only make things worse. A better approach would have been to put the retraction at the front, followed by areas he believes TNR made mistakes, then finally their explanation of what happened (without the whining).</blockquote>Amen.

No matter how much Foer may believe it, TNR is not the victim here and assertions to the contrary only make things worse. A better approach would have been to put the retraction at the front, followed by areas he believes TNR made mistakes, then finally their explanation of what happened (without the whining).

Amen.

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72411 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:28:24 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72411 <blockquote>To suggest that the thousands of dollars spent on this by the US military would have happened without the creaking from the righty noise machine is utter nonsense.</blockquote>Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. gil, I know you find the following impossible to believe... Because I know your whole agenda / ax to grind is how America's military is a bunch of psycho killers, blah blah blah... but... ...<em>our military has standards</em>. And it <em>protects civilians</em>. And it <em>has laws</em> (Uniform Code of Military Justice, Geneva Conventions, etc.). And it <em>takes its obligation to enforce those laws seriously</em>. And it <em>routinely investigates itself, or its own members, when disrespect to civilians is suspected or seriously alleged</em>. When Beauchamp published his fictions as alleged fact, thereby <em>he created an obligation for the military to investigate</em>. That investigation should have and (I expect) would have happened, regardless of anything said by the blogs. Blog-pressure may have assisted the investigation by forcing earlier disclosure of Beauchamp's name, earlier disclosure of the facts and reasons why his fictions were so implausible, etc. But that's it. Blog-pressure is not what caused the investigation. And your belief that it did, is just another (minor or indirect) example of your agenda-driven desire to slander our troops.

To suggest that the thousands of dollars spent on this by the US military would have happened without the creaking from the righty noise machine is utter nonsense.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer.

gil, I know you find the following impossible to believe… Because I know your whole agenda / ax to grind is how America’s military is a bunch of psycho killers, blah blah blah… but…

…our military has standards. And it protects civilians. And it has laws (Uniform Code of Military Justice, Geneva Conventions, etc.). And it takes its obligation to enforce those laws seriously. And it routinely investigates itself, or its own members, when disrespect to civilians is suspected or seriously alleged.

When Beauchamp published his fictions as alleged fact, thereby he created an obligation for the military to investigate. That investigation should have and (I expect) would have happened, regardless of anything said by the blogs.

Blog-pressure may have assisted the investigation by forcing earlier disclosure of Beauchamp’s name, earlier disclosure of the facts and reasons why his fictions were so implausible, etc. But that’s it. Blog-pressure is not what caused the investigation. And your belief that it did, is just another (minor or indirect) example of your agenda-driven desire to slander our troops.

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72410 John Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:27:41 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72410 I finally read through TNR's release. I have to say that I'd fire Foer for this alone. Instead of damage control, this makes TNR look bad. A whiney, long-winded bit of CYA that takes pages to get to the point. No matter how much Foer may believe it, TNR is not the victim here and assertions to the contrary only make things worse. A better approach would have been to put the retraction at the front, followed by areas he believes TNR made mistakes, then finally their explanation of what happened (without the whining). An apology for giving the impression that the article was slamming all soldiers within the retraction would have been bonus in their favor. That's how a competent manager handles matters, what Foer did was make TNR look worse than before. I finally read through TNR’s release. I have to say that I’d fire Foer for this alone. Instead of damage control, this makes TNR look bad. A whiney, long-winded bit of CYA that takes pages to get to the point. No matter how much Foer may believe it, TNR is not the victim here and assertions to the contrary only make things worse. A better approach would have been to put the retraction at the front, followed by areas he believes TNR made mistakes, then finally their explanation of what happened (without the whining). An apology for giving the impression that the article was slamming all soldiers within the retraction would have been bonus in their favor. That’s how a competent manager handles matters, what Foer did was make TNR look worse than before.

]]> By: ThatGayConservative http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72409 ThatGayConservative Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:24:41 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72409 <i>But it’s wrong for the right-wing to challenge those lies because challenging them results in investigations that prove the lies to be … um… lies.</i> You're not supposed to question liberals, puny mortal! You're supposed to shut up and pay your taxes like a good little fag. But it’s wrong for the right-wing to challenge those lies because challenging them results in investigations that prove the lies to be … um… lies.

You’re not supposed to question liberals, puny mortal! You’re supposed to shut up and pay your taxes like a good little fag.

]]> By: V the K http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72408 V the K Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:31:59 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72408 So, what gil is saying is that it's okay for lefties to make up lies about our troops and accuse them of atrocities. But it's wrong for the right-wing to challenge those lies because challenging them results in investigations that prove the lies to be ... um... lies. While I certainly don't agree with that, I appreciate the brilliant illustration of left wing ethics. So, what gil is saying is that it’s okay for lefties to make up lies about our troops and accuse them of atrocities. But it’s wrong for the right-wing to challenge those lies because challenging them results in investigations that prove the lies to be … um… lies.

While I certainly don’t agree with that, I appreciate the brilliant illustration of left wing ethics.

]]> By: V the K http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72393 V the K Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:59:01 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72393 <i>When are you going to sack up and take responsibility for circling the wagons around a lying POS instead of, in typical liberal fashion, blaming the right?</i> My guess is never. The left is not exactly known for its ability to take responsibility. When are you going to sack up and take responsibility for circling the wagons around a lying POS instead of, in typical liberal fashion, blaming the right?

My guess is never. The left is not exactly known for its ability to take responsibility.

]]> By: ThatGayConservative http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72379 ThatGayConservative Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:18:10 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72379 Say gillie! When are you going to sack up and take responsibility for circling the wagons around a lying POS instead of, in typical liberal fashion, blaming the right? It's not our fault that he's a lying sonofabitch and the liberal douchebag oxygen thieves were taken for a ride. I know you aren't capable of being embarrassed, so I know that's not the reason. Fess up. Say gillie!
When are you going to sack up and take responsibility for circling the wagons around a lying POS instead of, in typical liberal fashion, blaming the right?

It’s not our fault that he’s a lying sonofabitch and the liberal douchebag oxygen thieves were taken for a ride. I know you aren’t capable of being embarrassed, so I know that’s not the reason.

Fess up.

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72392 Vince P Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:41:51 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72392 Wow.. I aint never seen anything like this before. I guess some black activists were going to protest at a guy’s house… the guy had shot and killed two black burglers in Texas a week or two ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_TjftnwhRk& Wow.. I aint never seen anything like this before.

I guess some black activists were going to protest at a guy’s house… the guy had shot and killed two black burglers in Texas a week or two ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_TjftnwhRk&amp;

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72407 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:42:20 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72407 Sorry - Given that I don't know anything for sure, I should have phrased it, "...because we have never seen more than one of gil / keogh appear at a time..." Sorry - Given that I don’t know anything for sure, I should have phrased it, “…because we have never seen more than one of gil / keogh appear at a time…”

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72386 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:29:00 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72386 P.S. We do know that gil = keogh... but no foul play there either, because gil has never used more than one alias at a time. There was a clean transition. We've established that people (like me or whoever) are allowed to change aliases if they want. Just no games with multiple aliases like Kewpie / Reader used to do. P.S. We do know that gil = keogh… but no foul play there either, because gil has never used more than one alias at a time. There was a clean transition. We’ve established that people (like me or whoever) are allowed to change aliases if they want. Just no games with multiple aliases like Kewpie / Reader used to do.

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72385 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:22:54 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72385 Never hurts to check on things... but it could be that gil sometimes reads or skims silently, and emerged here only because Beauchamp, "narratives" that depict our troops and our country as psycho-killers, etc. are part of gil's special agenda. I.e., no foul play or sock-puppetry. Never hurts to check on things… but it could be that gil sometimes reads or skims silently, and emerged here only because Beauchamp, “narratives” that depict our troops and our country as psycho-killers, etc. are part of gil’s special agenda. I.e., no foul play or sock-puppetry.

]]> By: GayPatriot http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72381 GayPatriot Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:32:12 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72381 Anyone else find it odd that after months of not being here.... when someone else mentioned "gil"... he or she suddenly showed up to comment? I think I'll investigate further.... Anyone else find it odd that after months of not being here…. when someone else mentioned “gil”… he or she suddenly showed up to comment?

I think I’ll investigate further….

]]> By: North Dallas Thirty http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72380 North Dallas Thirty Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:03:27 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72380 Again, gil blames, not the liar and the people who supported the liar, but the armed forces and the people who exposed the liar. Therefore, the wrong committed here is not lying and slandering US troops, but exposing the fact that liberals lie about and slander US troops. Again, gil blames, not the liar and the people who supported the liar, but the armed forces and the people who exposed the liar.

Therefore, the wrong committed here is not lying and slandering US troops, but exposing the fact that liberals lie about and slander US troops.

]]> By: gil http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72390 gil Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:47:16 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72390 #16 – I think GPW would call your post “projecting” (I call it typical NDT gobbledygook) #17 To suggest that the thousands of dollars spent on this by the US military would have happened without the creaking from the righty noise machine is utter nonsense. Now who is being silly? #16 –
I think GPW would call your post “projecting”
(I call it typical NDT gobbledygook)

#17
To suggest that the thousands of dollars spent on this by the US military would have happened without the creaking from the righty noise machine is utter nonsense.
Now who is being silly?

]]> By: V the K http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72391 V the K Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:01:23 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72391 So, Beauchamp lied. The New Republic published his lies. Then the military investigated his lies, and the fact that the military had to investigate them... is the fault of the right wing. Welcome to the silly, silly world of gil. So, Beauchamp lied.

The New Republic published his lies.

Then the military investigated his lies, and the fact that the military had to investigate them… is the fault of the right wing.

Welcome to the silly, silly world of gil.

]]> By: North Dallas Thirty http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72404 North Dallas Thirty Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:58:12 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72404 Unfortunately for you, gil, that person on the ground flat-out lied. You can't admit that you supported and endorsed the words of a liar, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he lied. Furthermore, you criticize the people who discovered he was a liar for doing so. What this all indicates is that you were going to slander and smear our troops, even if you had to make up lies and support liars to do it. You and Foer didn't support Beauchamp because he was on the ground. You supported him because he said what you wanted to hear. And rather than admit you allowed your own bigotry and prejudices to drive your decision-making, you sit around and blame the people who exposed it. Unfortunately for you, gil, that person on the ground flat-out lied.

You can’t admit that you supported and endorsed the words of a liar, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he lied.

Furthermore, you criticize the people who discovered he was a liar for doing so.

What this all indicates is that you were going to slander and smear our troops, even if you had to make up lies and support liars to do it.

You and Foer didn’t support Beauchamp because he was on the ground. You supported him because he said what you wanted to hear. And rather than admit you allowed your own bigotry and prejudices to drive your decision-making, you sit around and blame the people who exposed it.

]]> By: gil http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/12/02/new-republic-finally-admitsscott-beauchamp-stories-are-false/#comment-72403 gil Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:45:13 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=2744#comment-72403 “Watching gil at work is…an awesome spectacle” Thats what my fella says too :) “Foer got taken. Foer, being (like gil) despicably eager to believe and repeat the worst about the troops” Nope. He was guilty of taking the troop’s words at face value, not the brass but the actual troops on the ground. The right on the other hand, speculated about his psyche, physical existence, valor, patriotism, emailed his superiors with trumped up crimes, data-mined his life and forced the military to spend likely thousands of tax dollars on a pointless witch hunt! Nice work! It’s the Right’s finest hour! Celebrate! “Watching gil at work is…an awesome spectacle”
Thats what my fella says too :)
“Foer got taken. Foer, being (like gil) despicably eager to believe and repeat the worst about the troops”
Nope. He was guilty of taking the troop’s words at face value, not the brass but the actual troops on the ground.

The right on the other hand, speculated about his psyche, physical existence, valor, patriotism, emailed his superiors with trumped up crimes, data-mined his life and forced the military to spend likely thousands of tax dollars on a pointless witch hunt!

Nice work! It’s the Right’s finest hour!
Celebrate!

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