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Vote for Grande Conservative Blogress Diva 2008

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 6:15 pm - December 12, 2007.
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After some glitches with the initial poll, I decided to create a new one. Let the cat fight voting begin!

Which of these Divas should be the Grande Conservative Blogress Diva 2008?
The Anchoress
Ann Althouse
Little Miss Attila
Tammy Bruce
Dymphna of Gates of Vienna
e-Claire
Bridget Johnson of GOP Vixen
Sondra K of Knowledge is Power
Carol Platt Liebau
Rachel Lucas
Michelle Malkin
neo-neo con
Kathy Shaidle of Five Feet of Fury
Pamela of Atlas Shrugs
Virginia Postrel of The Dynamist
Debbie Schlussel
Fausta Wertz
  
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91 Comments

  1. When is the poll over?

    Comment by Vince P — December 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm - December 12, 2007

  2. ^bwaaaaaaaaa^
    No kidding. 🙂

    Comment by SondraK — December 12, 2007 @ 7:23 pm - December 12, 2007

  3. Sondrak is the best!

    Comment by cuchieddie — December 12, 2007 @ 7:47 pm - December 12, 2007

  4. What’s the rules? Once a day? Once only?

    Comment by Scorpius — December 12, 2007 @ 8:12 pm - December 12, 2007

  5. I set it up for once a day voting. We will allow a full week’s voting so will have to change the dates for the contest.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — December 12, 2007 @ 8:35 pm - December 12, 2007

  6. SondraK rawks!

    Comment by MitchM — December 12, 2007 @ 10:54 pm - December 12, 2007

  7. Any way for all of them to win?
    The real winner is us–all the readers that get so much everyday for so little. Maybe everyone should check out those links and spend some time searching their archives. Give yourself a Christmas gift by discovering a new daily surfstop.
    They all rawk!

    Comment by Darrell — December 12, 2007 @ 11:39 pm - December 12, 2007

  8. Darrell, please do! And let us know when you come across all them anti-gay posts!

    *zing*

    Comment by SondraK — December 12, 2007 @ 11:54 pm - December 12, 2007

  9. And Darrell, thank you, how sweet:)

    Comment by SondraK — December 12, 2007 @ 11:55 pm - December 12, 2007

  10. I think they are all great but where is K Lo? I think she was on the list last year but for some reason has fallen off? She is my all time favorite.

    Comment by Jenny — December 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am - December 13, 2007

  11. Do they get a sticker for their blog like the Weblog Awards?

    I got a nifty 2007 Weblog Awards “NOT NOMINATED” sticker that PoliticalPartyPoop let me swipe.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 13, 2007 @ 6:29 am - December 13, 2007

  12. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/12/shocker_jodie_f.html#comments

    Comment by FGFM — December 13, 2007 @ 8:34 am - December 13, 2007

  13. Hmm, good question TGC.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — December 13, 2007 @ 11:32 am - December 13, 2007

  14. […] met The Vixen — Diva? All the way. And all around good person deserving of any award or accolade out there. You can vote once a day. […]

    Pingback by VOTE FOR THE VIXEN! — December 13, 2007 @ 1:41 pm - December 13, 2007

  15. “Darrell, please do! And let us know when you come across all them anti-gay posts!”

    You can find anything if you’re looking for it and your mind is set. Heck, Vanity Fair (Oct. 2007) found overwhelming pro-Bush MSM bias in the 2000 election coverage. And to think, I was throwing all those shoes at the TV for nothing!

    Thank you SondraK for the nice words, and thank you more for being there for us everyday! We are at war–shooting and ideology–and it’s nice to see all the CB-Divas on the front line. We need you all.

    Comment by Darrell — December 13, 2007 @ 4:10 pm - December 13, 2007

  16. I want to vote for a number of these great minds
    how can I do this

    Comment by mike — December 13, 2007 @ 4:22 pm - December 13, 2007

  17. Thank you for the poll. I love it when powerful women are pitted against each other! Sharpen those claws, girls. KHAAAAAAAAN!

    Comment by MCPO Airdale — December 13, 2007 @ 6:22 pm - December 13, 2007

  18. Off-Topic: Major Victory for coalition forces in Afghanistan. The Taliban were driven out of the largest city they had under control. And this didn’t lead the major newscasts or hit the front pages… why?

    Comment by V the K — December 13, 2007 @ 10:05 pm - December 13, 2007

  19. Why V the K ?
    Hellooooooooooooooooo…because there’s a CONTEST going on, that’s why!

    Helloooooooo…………

    Comment by SondraK — December 13, 2007 @ 11:11 pm - December 13, 2007

  20. I need to check out Sondra’s blog… shes the biggest vote getter i never heard of.

    Comment by Vince P — December 14, 2007 @ 12:32 am - December 14, 2007

  21. I “vote” for including Camille Paglia in the final tally with an “Honorable Mention.” Although she’ll have nothing to do politically with conservatives or Republicans, her criticisms of the Clintons, of the “antiwar” Left, and others are cutting. E.g. this Salon interview. Her Nov. Salon column caught flack from Democratic broads (oops! I mean, bitches; no! I mean, ladies; wait! I mean, women; hold on! I mean, wymyn) like Taylor Marsh and Feministe.

    Under normal circumstances, I would vote for Pamela. Instead, with the primaries soon underway, count me as “writing in” Camille Paglia for CGBD.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 14, 2007 @ 2:03 am - December 14, 2007

  22. Nov. Salon column.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 14, 2007 @ 2:05 am - December 14, 2007

  23. Paglia is not a blogger though.

    I wrote her an email last month in regards to a past article on Salon.. i wonder if she’ll address it:

    Today I rediscovered your column after years of absence and I read all of the new ones you’ve written.

    I couldn’t help but notice your call of “Troops out of Iraq now!”.

    Have you considered that the troops want to be there? People are joining the Services to fight. Is there anyone out there who has joined the military in the past few years who thought they were somehow NOT going to go to Iraq?

    Now consider these brave folks who enlist because they want to serve/defend/fight/etc and then there’s all these other people who are essentially sacrificing NOTHING demanding that the troops be removed from the battlefield, essentially for their own good. Do you think they appreciate your call for their immediate withdrawal? They’re doing the hard work.. they choose to do it, knowing full well they were going to go to Iraq and they said “Yes , I will serve”. Let them.

    Moving on from that argument, there was a statement you made to a person who wrote you a question where the questioner mentioned a 60 year ideological struggle with the Islamic jihadis. You responded by asking him if he meant the Cold War.

    I can’t speak for him but I think he’s referring to all the ideological ground work the Islamic Jihadis were laying back in the 40s and 50s and even before then… the ideological incubators whose hatchlings we now see arrayed before us all over the world.

    You should look into the writings of Qutb. He was in the US for a short time in the 1940s. He thought the country was an abomination to Allah and his laws because he saw men and women dancing at a church function in Colorado.

    He was instrumental in developing the Jihadi movement when he went back to Egypt and joined the Muslim Brotherhood. His key work is called Milestones.

    Qutb stressed the importance of fighting the United States because even back then he knew that this country would stand in the way of their long-term agenda.. which is the global application of Sharia law in accordance to the will of Allah.

    That you didn’t think of this was revealing to me… you really must read the words of our enemies and listen to what they say for themselves and not impose our worldview and paradigms on them. They have a logic that is rational in their thinking and it is not Marxist, it’s eschatological.

    I love your writings which is why I took the time to write this to you. Thanks for the ideas you put into print, I really appreciate them.

    Vince
    Chicago
    32 y/o gay guy.

    Comment by Vince P — December 14, 2007 @ 2:27 am - December 14, 2007

  24. I don’t give a sheet that she’s not a blogger. She charges into punditry’s no man’s land by brazenly criticizing Dems, liberals, and leftists. That’s not just to be respected, it’s to be reciprocated. That she continues to reiterate that she’s a Dem and that she’ll vote Dem this fall is her choice (certain intellectuals, like Hitchens, avoid declaring party affiliation or loyalty like that), perhaps more out of habit than original mental and moral muscleflexing.

    Good letter to her. Let’s see if she bites. As for me, I’m glad to crash GCBD party here at GP by serving up her name.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 14, 2007 @ 3:37 am - December 14, 2007

  25. Last I knew, Tammy Bruce was a Democrat; talk about fighting from the inside!

    Paglia is very unorthodox in her thinking; we need her. Naturally, I feel that her stance on Iraq is one of her biggest blind spots. But, as with Hitchens, I respect the fact that she calls ’em exactly as she sees ’em.

    Comment by Little Miss Attila — December 14, 2007 @ 4:57 am - December 14, 2007

  26. There is no place for Ron Paul, this proves this poll is inaccurate and can’t be trusted!

    Comment by Paula Ron — December 14, 2007 @ 8:09 am - December 14, 2007

  27. Who else keeps her finger on the world pulse?

    Comment by greatzot — December 14, 2007 @ 2:41 pm - December 14, 2007

  28. To all the other gals, my apologies but Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs gets my vote any day!

    Comment by rrazdan — December 14, 2007 @ 4:29 pm - December 14, 2007

  29. Just thought I’d drop a line to say happnin’ yall! Just wanted to let you know that this straight sicilian/Irish conservative man supports all of you in your struggle for equality and fairness in this great land. I found this site to vote for Tammy Bruce, as she’s a paisan so of course I must. All of the posts make for great reading. I’ll check back often, till then, just know that there are plenty of conservatives like me out there who believe in you.

    Comment by Josai — December 14, 2007 @ 6:40 pm - December 14, 2007

  30. SondraK she’s the one I voted for because, I don’t read the others.

    Comment by Boazo — December 14, 2007 @ 7:22 pm - December 14, 2007

  31. So many great divas on the ballot — mad props to my homegirl and reigning diva SondraK!

    Since this is a campaign, though, I’ll offer one diva fact about myself: Regarding the hot interviews I’ve had lately with Zalmay Khalilzad, Rudy Giuliani, Vicente Fox, etc. … each time it was their camp asking me for the interview. Respeck, as Ali G would say!

    What remains to be seen, though, is if the (true) rumor that I lost my virginity to a Marxist while a member of the Republican club in college will be a campaign killer…

    Comment by Bridget — December 14, 2007 @ 8:20 pm - December 14, 2007

  32. Sondra you go girl…

    Comment by Caveman — December 14, 2007 @ 8:45 pm - December 14, 2007

  33. Every person on this list is great–wonderful as a matter of fact but Sondra gets my vote not just because of her hard work on SondraK.com but because when the left in Olympia was on the march she and her husband stood fast and put themselves on the line, when a local friend of mine who is a disabled vet with family far away he doesn’t hear from his family but Sondra makes long distance calls a couple times a month–nobody asked her to.
    Anyway all of you are wonderful and I am sure you are very good people but I have had the opportunity to see Sondra put it on the line or to take her time to call a veteran, to mail packages to the troops –she’s got my vote and my friendship-Bless You Ma’am-you are one in a million.
    …that’s all I gotta say ’bout that.

    Comment by Sierrahome — December 15, 2007 @ 5:28 pm - December 15, 2007

  34. I like the look and feel of Sondra’s blog site… very creative.

    Atlas Shrugs gets my vote though. Unlike the Presidential election,, for this one i wish i could vote for them all.

    Comment by Vince P — December 15, 2007 @ 6:11 pm - December 15, 2007

  35. The difference with SondraK is that she doesn’t just talk about things, she makes things happen and does stuff herself. She doesn’t just sit on the sidelines cheering or heckling, she plays the game. And we have fun there too!

    Comment by MitchM — December 15, 2007 @ 8:39 pm - December 15, 2007

  36. Heck, they all would get my vote if allowed. I read most of them and right now I’m torn between Michele, Tammy, Dymphna, and Pamela. Michele for her stance on immigration, Tammy for her pro-gun stance, Dymphna for her excellent writing on Europe, and Pamela for her stance on Israel.

    OK, I’ve decided and will vote for…

    Comment by Bob Gailey — December 15, 2007 @ 9:03 pm - December 15, 2007

  37. SondraK is more than just a blogmistress, more than just a conservative diva..She is a truly good person, an inspiration, intelligent, humorous, and she genuinely cares. Cares enough to go out and act on what she believes in, and to go do what she encourages others to do.

    Above all else, she is a true friend, and she has built a very close family of regulars second to none. Finest people I ever had the honor of sharing with.

    Comment by bohica — December 15, 2007 @ 9:05 pm - December 15, 2007

  38. Mitch:

    Oh yeah?

    Has Sondra contributed this to society?

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/07/29/sheehan_in_the_park_061.jpg

    🙂

    Comment by Vince P — December 15, 2007 @ 9:25 pm - December 15, 2007

  39. No, I haven’t, Vince P.

    Comment by SondraK — December 15, 2007 @ 11:38 pm - December 15, 2007

  40. bohica makes a valid observation. SondraK is out there mixing it up with Olympia’s anti-war Marxists, organizing benefits for our military, and offering her delicious derrière as inducement to keep fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. No implants either. A true bitchy diva.

    Comment by Meat Loaf — December 16, 2007 @ 10:04 am - December 16, 2007

  41. Dan: I think you should do a poll for best TV or movie scene with a strong female character. Personally, I nominate this one from Battlestar Galactica with Katie Sackhoff playing the character of Starbuck (warning! violent): http://youtube.com/watch?v=uQur-LdJFus

    I love how she turns the tables on her tormentor and after making her move, calmly sits down, brushes her hair back and very properly enjoys her meal. This scene has to be one of the best in TV history IMO.

    Comment by John — December 16, 2007 @ 12:14 pm - December 16, 2007

  42. VinceP,
    …and she stands up for herself. Love that pic though!

    Comment by MitchM — December 16, 2007 @ 3:17 pm - December 16, 2007

  43. You know what would be really cool and helpful? Hot links to the ladies sites so people could check out their work. You know, just in case of the off chance someone had never heard of them. Not someone like me mind you, I of course, have read each of them extensively and am very familiar with their hard work,,, and on top of that, I have developed that awareness while all the time being cognizant and attentive to their gender as it was instructive and,,, um,,, important,,, you know,,, because we conservatives, we pay such close attention to the race, gender, religion etc of people when they express their ideas and observations,,, Don’t we?

    Comment by bcismar — December 16, 2007 @ 9:30 pm - December 16, 2007

  44. […] my pretties, fly, and vote for Sondra.  Because…..you know. Posted by CraigC @ 10:44 pm | Trackback Share […]

    Pingback by The Coveted CraigC Endorsement — December 16, 2007 @ 11:44 pm - December 16, 2007

  45. Pamela inspired me to rean Ayn Rand.
    Top that.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 17, 2007 @ 5:30 am - December 17, 2007

  46. So many Divas… so little time!

    So I’ll just stay loyal to my HeadMistress.

    It’s what we KisPer’s do in SondraKiStan. We know our place.

    Viva SondraK!!!

    Comment by AmeriDan — December 17, 2007 @ 12:13 pm - December 17, 2007

  47. Jeremayakovka, I try to encourage folks to think for themselves 🙂

    Comment by SondraK — December 17, 2007 @ 2:32 pm - December 17, 2007

  48. Before you get too hogwild over Dymphna: Her blog, Gates of Vienna, is a White Nationalist site now. She and her coauthors support unrepentant neo-Nazis like the leaders of Vlaams Belang.

    They’re not conservatives anymore. They follow racial identity politics.

    Just so you know.

    Comment by David Ross — December 17, 2007 @ 8:25 pm - December 17, 2007

  49. Before you get too hogwild over Dymphna: Her blog, Gates of Vienna, is a White Nationalist site now. She and her coauthors support unrepentant neo-Nazis like the leaders of Vlaams Belang.

    They’re not conservatives anymore. They follow racial identity politics.

    Just so you know.

    Comment by David Ross — December 17, 2007 @ 8:25 pm – December 17, 2007

    Oh God no… please keep your LGF slanders out of here before you infect this blog too.

    Comment by Vince P — December 17, 2007 @ 8:48 pm - December 17, 2007

  50. #47 David Ross – That type of accusation calls for evidence. Could you please direct us (provide references) to the posts on Gates of Vienna that support White Nationalism? (If any?)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 17, 2007 @ 8:54 pm - December 17, 2007

  51. no no no no… dont open the door… it will never end.

    Many blogs have been sucked into the black hole of Little Green Footballs sanctimonious witchhunt.

    Comment by Vince P — December 17, 2007 @ 9:02 pm - December 17, 2007

  52. Vince P, I don’t read Gates of Vienna all that often, but I’m still somehow confident there aren’t any posts there calling for White Nationalism.

    And I know there aren’t any on LGF, either.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 17, 2007 @ 9:41 pm - December 17, 2007

  53. It’s too bad this contest is turning into a question of
    “White Nationalism”.

    Charles Johnson doesn’t want to be associated with certain blogs or groups. Fine.

    (Full disclosure: I agree with him and I’m a proud Lizard)

    But what does that have to do with this?

    We are voting for The Grande Conservative Blogress Diva!

    If you read and enjoy the content at one of the sites that are nominated… vote for that person.

    Don’t base your vote on how you feel about LGF’s view, or Pamela’s, on Vlaams Belang.

    Just pick a Diva.

    Comment by AmeriDan — December 18, 2007 @ 6:29 am - December 18, 2007

  54. Another full disclosure… I saw the “b-quote” button as a “bold” and ran with it. Another reason why I don’t comment much at my favorite websites.

    Yes, I know HeadMistress, back to the shortbus for me.

    Comment by AmeriDan — December 18, 2007 @ 6:42 am - December 18, 2007

  55. #47, Sondra, if you count all the friends I’ve unmade over the years, from challenging ideas and sometimes changing loyalties, I think that’s evidence of thinking for myself. You’re definitely a hot item in the blogosphere, brainybrassysexy. Congrats on your apparent victory.

    Given her unique contributions, Pamela’s the Blogosphere’s avenging angel delivering judgment and retribution upon mainstream journalism.

    #48, Gates is doing the necessary work of finding who is left in the West who will defend its (OUR) great traditions and civilization against imperial Islam. To hell with lily-livered liberals who can’t stomach it! Those people (you people…?) deserve to live as slaves.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 18, 2007 @ 7:24 am - December 18, 2007

  56. Like I said, Honorable Mention goes to … Camille Paglia.

    Here’s video of her spewing Amazonian, Ivy League-trained, gay-man-trapped-in-a-woman’s-body feminist analysis of the presidential election, esp. of Ms. Rodham Clinton and her campaign.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 18, 2007 @ 7:29 am - December 18, 2007

  57. #48, Gates is doing the necessary work of finding who is left in the West who will defend its (OUR) great traditions and civilization against imperial Islam. To hell with lily-livered liberals who can’t stomach it! Those people (you people…?) deserve to live as slaves.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 18, 2007 @ 7:24 am – December 18, 2007

    Preach it!

    Anti-Islam Europeans are into the preservation of their culture, which by definition is white.. shock!

    Gates is an amazing blog with great original writing and always something new to learn. I can see why LGF is jealous… after all a one-liner followed by a copy/paste of a news story isn’t that creative.

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 7:55 am - December 18, 2007

  58. But what does that have to do with this?

    We are voting for The Grande Conservative Blogress Diva!

    Exactly. And one interloper claimed,

    Before you get too hogwild over Dymphna: Her blog, Gates of Vienna, is a White Nationalist site now…

    And since I might or might not be voting Dympha, I want to know:

    Could you please direct us (provide references) to the posts on Gates of Vienna that support White Nationalism? (If any?)

    So, it’s topical.

    Vince P, you said:

    Anti-Islam Europeans are into the preservation of their culture, which by definition is white.. shock!

    I don’t buy that for a second. There is nothing inherently “white” about Western principles of civilization. And so, non-whites have always contributed to Western civilization. Including, by the way, Arabs and early Islam. (Islam when it was pro-Aristotle / pro-Greek.)

    I went to the Vlaams Belang website and skimmed their declaration. They’re into the preservation of Flemish (or if you prefer, Dutch) language and culture. They want to be independent of Belgium. Yes, they resist Islamization, as well they ought to. Note that Islam is a religion, not a race. Flemish is a language, not a race. And Flemish / Dutch identity is a national identity, not a race. So again, none of this has to do with race. And I hope it never does.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 12:06 pm - December 18, 2007

  59. P.S. to above: further note that Jesus Christ Himself was a non-white.

    (I don’t buy the crackpot theory that He was what we would now call ‘black’. But, He was a Palestinian, after all. A brown-ish Middle Easterner.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 12:12 pm - December 18, 2007

  60. Mary Kate, folks.

    Comment by frank — December 18, 2007 @ 1:23 pm - December 18, 2007

  61. There’s nothing racist about trying to preserve one’s cultural and national identity when the entire basis of your nation is your ethnicity (and therefore race)

    Americans shouldn’t be so quick to label Europeans as racist… America and Europe have fundamentally different cohesive models.

    In fact if you look up the word “Nation” in the dictionary, you will see that the notion of Nation is intimately tied to ethnicity and race.

    Nation:
    an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages

    Origin: 1250–1300; ME

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 1:48 pm - December 18, 2007

  62. HEY! What happened? This was supposed to be all about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Comment by SondraK — December 18, 2007 @ 2:14 pm - December 18, 2007

  63. There’s nothing racist about trying to preserve one’s cultural and national identity

    Yes. We agree.

    ..when the entire basis of your nation is your ethnicity (and therefore race)

    No. Ethnicity isn’t race.

    Ethnicity is, “I happen to be descended from people who lived in this particular place and time, had this particular language and culture, etc. Or maybe I’m not descended from them entirely, but I sure identify with them… deal with it.”

    Race is, “I see people in terms of what I imagine their genetics to be, based on perceived features like skin color. I don’t care about all the world’s little ethnicities. I group the ethnicities into my racial categories, then claim that one grouping – i.e., race – is better than the others, because of blah blah blah (my crackpot genetic theory).”

    So, 2 different things. One based on shared culture and language. The other on (usually imaginary) genetic and/or skin color standards.

    From the little I skimmed of the Vlaams Belang website: It would be possible for a non-white – say, from the former Belgian Congo – to live in Flemish Belgium, learn Flemish, change his citizenship, wholly identify with historic Flemish culture, fear Islamization, support Vlaams Belang heartily, and be accepted as a valid – if slightly anomalous – part of the Flemish nation.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 2:27 pm - December 18, 2007

  64. To try and say it shorter:

    – “Racism” is when you think in racial categories, and try to judge people (or give benefits / penalties) based on your categories. Example: Non-white racists who favor university admission policies favoring non-whites.

    – Ethnic thinking, like “Italians are great!” or “Let’s celebrate Kwanzaa” or “I really would like my son to marry a fellow Jew” or “Flanders should be independent and protective of its identity”, is not racism. And does not deserve to be tarred as racism.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 2:38 pm - December 18, 2007

  65. VB attracts a diverse voting block.

    They have Jews, gays, morrocans.

    This blog has good coverage about the social desperation that is driving people from all backgrounds to join VB

    http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/search?q=Vlaams+Belang+

    Here’s a sample

    Islam in Europe: Book Review: Undercover in Little Morocco
    Esther, at the excellent Islam in Europe blog, reports on the book by journalist Hind Fraihi on the Moroccans of Belgium. The active support in this community for violent Jihad, killing Jews, and control of the local Muslims, especially women, according to fundamentalist Islamic dictates, may come as no surprise. In any case, it is a reminder of what the Flemings rightly fear in their midst. But what may surprise some readers is the support for the Vlaams Belang among the moderate Muslims:

    She meets more people like Jamal, but she feels they’re fighting a losing battle against the fundamentalists. She says that the moderate Muslims are walking a tightrope, between the Muslim fundamentalists and the right-wing (ie, nationalist) Flemish extremists. I had trouble understanding what she meant, but she later brings example of Muslims who vote for Vlaams Belang. I doubt most Muslims are in danger of becoming nationalist extremists, though. As Fraihi says, if they vote for Vlaams Belang, they do it out of protest, fear and disillusionment.

    As one example she brings Fatima, a Moroccan immigrant in her 60s. She doesn’t see herself as integrated and doesn’t think she acts any different in Belgium then she did in Morocco. She came in 1968, got a hearty welcome, worked with Belgians and generally enjoyed herself. She followed up on her kids – went to PTA meetings and made sure she knew where they were going at all times. A friend of hers complains that her son lives off benefits, even though he could work. There is discrimination, she says, but the 2nd and 3rd generation don’t want to work and just use it as an excuse. These youth are coddled by multicultural and integration organizations, all in the name of tolerance.

    According to Fatima the problem-youth are problematic because they have become fully Flemish. She suffers from the extremist Muslims who demand that she wear a headscarf, soemthing that she’d never done in morocco. The moderate Muslims are the first victims of Muslim extremism, but nobody takes care of them. She supports the Vlaams Belang program: stopping immigration, reducing marriage immigration and cutting off the integration sectors. She sees Vlaams Belang as the only party which is upset at Muslim extremism, who wants to treat immigrants strictly but justly. Moderate Muslims are fed up and feel that they’ve been left on their own. Fatima wants to vote for a more moderate party, but only after the danger from Muslim extremism is dealt with.

    She meets a worker at a youth center who tells her he blames the parents, imams and Belgian authorities for the Islamization of the youth. The parents blindly follow the Moroccan imams, who preach that almost everything is a crime, though many of them are former criminals themselves who have become ‘born again’ Muslims. Some have traveled to Afghanistan and are therefore barred from going back to Morocco, and yet the Belgian authorities don’t seem to care. The parents were also not that religious when they were kids, but they expect much more from their children. Not only that, the parents had realized their dreams, but their children don’t reach as far, don’t get anywhere and are therefore easy prey for terrorist recruiters.

    As she repeats in her interview, she feels the ‘integration’ sector has no reason to actually solve the problem, since that would take away their reason for being.

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 2:40 pm - December 18, 2007

  66. Sondra: Congrats!

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 2:41 pm - December 18, 2007

  67. And in any case, opposing Islamism / terrorism / Islamization, is not even so much as ethnic thinking. (Much less racism.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 2:42 pm - December 18, 2007

  68. VB attracts a diverse voting block. They have Jews, gays, morrocans… moderate muslims…

    Thank you. My basic point.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 2:43 pm - December 18, 2007

  69. Lt’s not forget what this is really about–Vote for SondraK and get that neat poster showing her pokies.
    WE HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED PEOPLE1

    Comment by Darrell — December 18, 2007 @ 2:48 pm - December 18, 2007

  70. 68: that’s why i really wasn’t fighting back and forth with you .. I knew you’d come around my way.

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 2:52 pm - December 18, 2007

  71. LOL – Except you actually affirmed mine.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 3:45 pm - December 18, 2007

  72. Like I said, Honorable Mention goes to … Camille Paglia.

    Here’s video of her spewing Amazonian, Ivy League-trained, gay-man-trapped-in-a-woman’s-body feminist analysis of the presidential election, esp. of Ms. Rodham Clinton and her campaign.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 18, 2007 @ 7:29 am – December 18, 2007

    This video is great!

    I love it

    Comment by Vince P — December 18, 2007 @ 8:08 pm - December 18, 2007

  73. As long as people are spreading around some extra votes in the waning days of this poll, how about sending some Little Miss Attila’s way?

    Not everyone will play the pokie card.

    Comment by Darrell — December 18, 2007 @ 10:29 pm - December 18, 2007

  74. P.S. to above: further note that Jesus Christ Himself was a non-white.

    (I don’t buy the crackpot theory that He was what we would now call ‘black’. But, He was a Palestinian, after all. A brown-ish Middle Easterner.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 18, 2007 @ 12:12 pm – December 18, 2007

    #59. GET a CLUE! If you want to get “ethnic,” J.C. was a JEW, born and died in JUDEA. “Palestinians” are an asterisk to THAT history – peripheral, transitory. In THIS history (modern Zionist, post-Ottoman, pan-Arab, and now post-pan-Arab), they’re losers and savages whose only hope for power lies in:
    * pimping their misery as propaganda for international jihad
    * preying on fictional Jewish guilt and (with different connotations) European resentment over all-too-real guilt
    * the “right of return,” the demographic population-bomb

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 19, 2007 @ 8:12 am - December 19, 2007

  75. Congrats again, Sondra.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 19, 2007 @ 8:16 am - December 19, 2007

  76. #74
    Muslim birth rates continue rising, parasitic on the technology and charity of the West.

    But enough about the end of Western Civilization…. Congrats, Sondra.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 19, 2007 @ 8:43 am - December 19, 2007

  77. .C. was a JEW, born and died in JUDEA. “Palestinians” are an asterisk to THAT history…

    Jeremayakovka: Of course He was a Jew. The 1st-century categories of “Jew” and “Palestinian” overlap. In fact: Most first-century Palestinians were Jews, and most early-first-century Jews were Palestinians. Thank you, Captain Obvious. (h/t Vince P in another thread)

    Please further note that the name “Palestine” was, with variations such as “Philistine Syria”, the contemporary name for the province. So, Jesus was Palestinian. Deal with it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 19, 2007 @ 1:40 pm - December 19, 2007

  78. I am shocked reading these comments. I was at Neoneocons site, saw this “vote for me” tag and followed the link hoping it would be some sort of fun.

    Instead I see this disgusting lack of any humanity for any Muslim, not just the “islamo fascists” but seems ALL of them you wish to rid the world of, especially this Vince P fellow.

    I feel I need to wash my hands and say my prayers after seeing this.

    I have no vote to offer. If they all feel the way you do, then they are not worthy.

    God have mercy on all of you.

    Comment by Nin — December 19, 2007 @ 9:59 pm - December 19, 2007

  79. Instead I see this disgusting lack of any humanity for any Muslim, not just the “islamo fascists” but seems ALL of them you wish to rid the world of, especially this Vince P fellow.

    Well I re-read everything I typed on this page, and nothing supports what you said.

    So either you read too much into what I wrote, or you’re fundamentally dishonest.

    Since you seem to possess a heavy PC influence , I would guess it’s the latter.

    Comment by Vince P — December 19, 2007 @ 11:04 pm - December 19, 2007

  80. #77, Arabs and/or anti-Zionists like to claim Jesus Christ as one of their own, trying to create an equivalence between his suffering on the cross with the hardships of Palestinian Arabs generally. It’s a cheap, dumb, demagogic shot.

    Lousy caricaturish “artwork” of Jesus Christ as a contemporary Palestinian (in a keffiyeh, etc.) has been circulating for decades. So I say you are absolutely wrong: his JEWISH and JUDEAN origins are true.

    Besides, secular history bears this out insofar as the Roman province was Judea. “Palestine,” then as now, was a pipe dream, something that always existed more as a fleeting, feverish image, not as historical, political entity.

    Comment by Jeremayakovka — December 20, 2007 @ 10:35 am - December 20, 2007

  81. Lousy caricaturish “artwork” of Jesus Christ as a contemporary Palestinian

    Who cares? Who said anything about *contemporary* Palestine???? I sure didn’t. I was discussing Jesus as a non-white, i.e., a Middle Easterner.

    I get it: You’re on your own trip, reacting to something in your head. Have fun!

    Now, what I came to say: It looks like there is an argument happening out there over whether Vlaams Belang has ties to VJW, a definite fascist and anti-Semitic group.

    That still doesn’t prove anything about Dymphna, one way or the other. The argument has 2 sides. I guess Dymphna isn’t on the side that condemns Vlaams Belang, and I guess that upsets somebody. Still, the claim that Gates of Vienna is a “White Nationalist” site remains absurd and without meaningful evidence.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 20, 2007 @ 4:07 pm - December 20, 2007

  82. you do realize that there is a competing neocon site don’t you? And Mr Vince P, you have said worse things than what you posted here. I saw them at neocon. You said, in essence, that Liberals post a threat to America as ‘enemies within’ and should be taken care of by the military did you not? I quoted a post of yours at the new neocon site.

    If you don’t stand by what you write, why write it at all?

    http://neoneoconcon.blogspot.com/2007/12/please-please-please-vote-for-me.html

    Comment by Nin — December 20, 2007 @ 5:41 pm - December 20, 2007

  83. NIN: Maybe you want to get your story straight… first you say I said EVERY Muslim is basically a murderer,… now you’re saying that I think all liberals are a theat.

    I have said neither.

    Ball is in your court to make your case, and so far you haven’t.

    You seem like a whiney hyperhysterical Thought Police to me.’

    Comment by Vince P — December 20, 2007 @ 6:34 pm - December 20, 2007

  84. Since the Democrats’ agenda is the defeat of the United States, I feel the military has the obligation to protect the sustainability of our Constituation and our lives by taking action against the internal enemies.

    It’s a shame the Dems have to push things so far as to create a situation that would require such a horrible drastic thing but there are worst things… like death.

    Vince P, You posted this on the thread, Hanson and the Myths of Iraq at Neoneocon on December 17th at 8:35 pm. You said these words Vince. I have copied and pasted this comment on the parody Neoneoconcon because I thought it was absolutely ridiculous.

    So, did you post that and what did you mean?

    Comment by Nin — December 20, 2007 @ 8:26 pm - December 20, 2007

  85. “I loved this book. There was so much to learn.

    One thing is clear…. the Muslims can never be trusted, should never be trusted.

    The disaster that is our Arabist State Department is testiment to what happens when money is put before what is right.”

    Vince P book review: ‘Power, Faith and Fantasy’. It is important that nobody gives a pass on these comments. I am all for freedom of speech. But freedom of speech also means that you accept that you might be criticized for your speech. Did you say this Vince?

    Comment by Nin — December 20, 2007 @ 8:52 pm - December 20, 2007

  86. I made the comment about the Democrats… It’s clear their agenda includes the military defeat of the US.

    But the Democrat party is not the same thing as “liberals”

    In your lie above you said I said something about liberals.

    No, i did not. I said stuff about the Leftist controlled surrender party.

    And yes, I stand by my comment about the Muslims.

    Obviously you know nothing about the tribal mindset..so who you are to even think you have teh capacity to judge if my statements are accurate or not.. it’s like a blind person trying to color coordinate a room.

    Comment by Vince P — December 20, 2007 @ 9:24 pm - December 20, 2007

  87. So Vince, you advocate for the US military to take action against Democrats? Like a bloodless coup? Just trying to understand the logic.

    Also, it’s pretty clear that you are talking about all muslims. So, be what your gonna be buddy. If you post this stuff, you must mean it. Do you really mean that democrats ought to be rounded up? Then what?

    What do you want the military to do to them? Also, what to do with the Muslims?

    Comment by Nin — December 20, 2007 @ 9:35 pm - December 20, 2007

  88. Oh Nin… do you really think someone as gutless as you is going to provoke me?

    Go away nitwit.

    Comment by Vince P — December 20, 2007 @ 9:59 pm - December 20, 2007

  89. I cannot get enough of Tammy Bruce. She is the foxiest babe on TV, bar none.

    Comment by anthony gravagne — December 21, 2007 @ 3:12 pm - December 21, 2007

  90. Vince, you are so full of hate and venom.

    Comment by Nin — December 31, 2007 @ 2:06 pm - December 31, 2007

  91. Nin, yeah we know. Heard you the first 32035 times.

    Comment by Vince P — December 31, 2007 @ 2:17 pm - December 31, 2007

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