Obama, Huckabee Win Big In Iowa…Clinton, Romney Big Losers…Onto New Hampshire…
First, let me thank our guests that joined Dan and I on our GayPatriot’s America live broadcast last night. I think it was our best radio show yet! Thanks so much to Wayne Besen, Jim Geraghty from National Review, Chris Barron, and Rob (ThatGayConservative).
You know the headlines….you know what’s next.
What is on your minds today as New Hampshire is only 5 days away?
Is this a style over substance election? Or if not…. what ISSUES resonated in Iowa?
Have at it!
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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Well, this is pretty disappointing. As a Christian and a conservative, I am NOT happy about Huckabee’s win. He might be a nice person (and yada yada yada), but his style and the policies he apparently advocates cause me to believe he would discredit conservative Christians in office (not to mention be a bad president). I’m afraid he will take liberal positions (e.g., big government nannyism, mushiness on the GWOT) and confuse the masses into believing they are representative of Christian conservatives in general. However, I’m also afraid he’ll discredit conservative positions (like being right to life on the abortion issue) by making his arguments primarily emotional and religious. Even though I think Rudy is wrong on abortion in general, I trust him more to allow the abortion issue to be resolved in a way that respects the constitutional process by viewing abortion more as a states’ issue. Basically, I don’t trust Mike Huckabee to honor states’ rights or push back against an always growing federal government. And I don’t trust him to be Commander-In-Chief. At this point, I’m almost ready to back McCain, and that’s scary.
Comment by cme — January 4, 2008 @ 7:57 am - January 4, 2008
I must say I am not surprised after the past few days.
I think the country wants first no Clintons or Bushs, and CHANGE……
Unfortunately, the naive do not understand that you must have credibility with the global network, and neither of these winners are global people.
I am not a McCain fan, but I agree, he is looking better than the alternatives.
Comment by PatriotMom — January 4, 2008 @ 8:04 am - January 4, 2008
Huckabee will go nowhere.. he has no chance.
Why dont we have primaries on one day for everyone? Get this stupid process over with it already.
Comment by Vince P — January 4, 2008 @ 8:24 am - January 4, 2008
I’ll have to do my homework for next week, Bruce. I don’t generally follow what’s going on in Florida. Wasn’t ready for that question.
BTW, after my initial comment, you moved on to someone else. Wasn’t completely sure I was still on.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 4, 2008 @ 9:09 am - January 4, 2008
Oh yeah, I’m dying to hear what the issues were that got these two in the winner’s circle.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 4, 2008 @ 9:10 am - January 4, 2008
One more:
If I had a dollar for everytime I’ve heard/read commentary that Thompson doesn’t sound like he wants to be president, I’d be living a lot further south.
If that’s the standard, Lurch never wanted it back in ‘04. Do we really want another screaming idiot?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 4, 2008 @ 9:15 am - January 4, 2008
What issues???? Change is an issue? (Obama) And I concur with #1 as a Christian about Huckabee (with a Mom who lived in Arkansas with him as gov. and is a Christian and doesn’t trust him either.) That his big “issue” seems to be that he IS a conservative Christian concerns me. We aren’t electing a theologian in chief and if we were he would not be at the top of my list on that one either. This morning I am depressed. No disrespect to Iowans..but WHAT were they thinking or better yet…were they?
Comment by Linda Strickland — January 4, 2008 @ 9:56 am - January 4, 2008
I guess all the people who told me that the Christian right wasn’t really a force in the GOP any more were lying or out of touch.
Comment by Houndentenor — January 4, 2008 @ 10:21 am - January 4, 2008
[...] declares Obama the Dem king, but isn’t ready to hand over the Pubbie crown to Huckabee. - Bruce recaps his radio show with the obvious; Obama and Huck win big, Clinton and Romney lose big. - [...]
Pingback by No Runny Eggs » Blog Archive » Iowa fallout - the best of the field — January 4, 2008 @ 10:27 am - January 4, 2008
The problem with Huckabee is that he’s faux-right. First, his ethics are highly questionable. (Another AK governor, what do you expect?) And, if ’social’ questions like abortion or covenant marriage weren’t in the big, he’d be indistinguishable from any other soft-on-illegal-immigration, Big Government liberal.
To the extent that he was the candidate of so-called “conservative” Christians in Iowa, well, that just shows they aren’t small-government libertarians anymore. Which is sad.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 10:28 am - January 4, 2008
Sorry, typo, “if ’social’ questions weren’t in the **picture**”…
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 10:28 am - January 4, 2008
The big surprise not mentioned is Fred Thompson. He entered late. Wnet to Iowa late. Had dropped to single digits in the Iowa polls. But he finished in a third place tie with another who didn´t pay too much attention to Iowas either, John Mc Cain. If Fred emphasizes his conservative credentials and exposes Huckabee as not what he presents himself to be as #1 points out, Huckabee´s support will fade. If it rolls over to Fred, it might not take him all the way but Giuliani/Thompson ticket could take the White House.
Comment by Roberto — January 4, 2008 @ 11:09 am - January 4, 2008
First, will Democrat machine politics allow Hillary to be overthrown? Second, does Obama have sufficient JFK glow to lead a children’s crusade? Third, will Thompson hold steady while the crows in the media are mesmerized by new bits of tinfoil? Fourth, can Huckabee mature fast enough to handle the long knives that will be coming out in the media, from his party opponents and from the seculars who hate Christianity? Fifth, will Edwards get any scrutiny from the press for his whack-a-mole social policy agenda? Sixth, will Rudy realize that he can not carry his own baggage and no one is offering to help?
McCain is the big issue for me. He is McQueeg. He is running on his McCain Mutiny as a free thinker inside the beltway. How can he expect my support based on the promise that I will never be sure where he stands or what he will do next?
Obama is the one candidate that might have coat tails. He may be the best hope for those who pine for a much more socialist America. For that reason, my candidate would have to be Thompson who is the one candidate who will stand up the Californication of the whole country.
I see the 1960’s just around the corner. Can “The Great Society” be far behind?
Comment by heliotrope — January 4, 2008 @ 11:36 am - January 4, 2008
Well, the chickens have come home to roost. The GOP has been courting the Christians for years & now they are being hoisted on their petard. Heliotrope, I don’t hate Christianity - I hate incompetence. Huckabee has that in spades. Several commentators on this site have shown their disdain for social moderates & libertarians. It turns out these philosophies will save the GOP’s hindquarters by stopping this Hucky train. New Hampshire voters will take one look at Huck’s tax policies & will give him a frosty reception.
Comment by Jimbo — January 4, 2008 @ 11:46 am - January 4, 2008
Since when is Iowa the King maker. Geez. some people are overestimating Huckabee’s win there a lot.
Comment by Vince P — January 4, 2008 @ 11:56 am - January 4, 2008
Time warp to debate between Obama and Huckabee:
Moderator: What is your position on U.S. policy toward Pakistan?
Obama: (quote) ” I will do whatever it takes to get Osama bin Laden even to invading Pakistan.”
Huckabee: (quote) “First let me apologize for the assassination of Mrs. Bhutto.”
Need I say more about the not ready for prime time group.
Comment by Linda Strickland — January 4, 2008 @ 12:03 pm - January 4, 2008
Oh and I agree with Vince P. in #14….We are talking about Iowa whose claim to fame is that they are the home of this stupid caucus system and Quaker Oats.
Comment by Linda Strickland — January 4, 2008 @ 12:06 pm - January 4, 2008
Oh, I see. Christians are incompetent. You pity the fools.
Secular progressivism, moral relativism, and a grounding in free spirit drift are certainly guardrails enough for spending other people’s money.
Iowa is not the be-all and end-all, but it feeds the media beast and the money flow is diverted. It will be middle March before this whole thing really takes shape, but meanwhile the chattering class will have their knives out while complaining about the negative nature of politics.
Comment by heliotrope — January 4, 2008 @ 12:20 pm - January 4, 2008
Hillary was only “inevitable” to the chattering classes and GOP operatives who can’t wait to run against her. I don’t know any Democrats who actually like her. (There are some. I just don’t know them.)
Look at everyone trashing Iowa. It’s a GOP stronghold. You’d think you’d be a little nicer to people without whom you would have lost the last two elections.
It’s fun watching Republicans in dissarray, attacking each other and sniping bitterly for a change. It’s like I woke up in Bizzaroworld (for those who never read Superman comic books, Bizzaroworld is where everthing is backwards).
And no one said Iowa was the kingmaker. It’s just the first stop on a long trip. but it does matter as it’s the first time the election is about actually voters instead of operative, pundits and pollsters. It says a lot when someone’s support just isn’t there. A lot of Democrats don’t want Hillary to get the nomination.
Comment by Houndentenor — January 4, 2008 @ 12:53 pm - January 4, 2008
Um… Not likely. Not to lecture you, but Iowa doesn’t count for much - except to winnow out the lower tier of candidates. Historically, the winner in November is only rarely the Iowa winner.
So Huck won the $50 jackpot, but trust me, one way or another, he won’t be President. (And rightfully so, I say. Again, heliotrope, I really think Huck is a Big Government liberal in sheep’s clothing, hence unworthy of the Presidency.)
Now for another prediction, one that I am less sure of (because it’s probably a bit wishful on my part).
Take Giuliani and Thompson as a category: they have the most name and face recognition, and they have the best overall claims (though in very different ways) to the Reagan legacy. My prediction is that ONE of them - one of either Giuliani or Thompson - will survive New Hampshire and South Carolina, will win the Republican nomination, and will go on to beat the Democrat in November.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 1:01 pm - January 4, 2008
Oh, please! (side-splitting laughter) Iowa is a blue state! Iowa went for Gore in 2000.
Iowa did go for Bush in 2004, but only because Kerry was such a terrible candidate who enraged Middle Americans.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 1:05 pm - January 4, 2008
And Iowa went Clinton in 1996… and Clinton in 1992… and…
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 1:14 pm - January 4, 2008
Hound (#19) — The Republicans are in less disarray than the entire Clinton-era Democrat Party. The Clinton’s eggs are coming home to roost. FINALLY!
Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — January 4, 2008 @ 1:15 pm - January 4, 2008
I saw this elsewhere:
“Christians actually voted against Huckabee –with 54% splitting their support among Romney, McCain, Thompson and Ron Paul. Yes, Huckabee’s 46% of Evangelicals was a strong showing, but it was directly comparable to his commanding 40% of women, or 40% of all voters under the age of 30, or 41% of those earning less than $30,000 a year. His powerful appeal to females, the young and the poor make him a different kind of Republican, who connects with voting blocs the GOP needs to win back. He’s hardly the one-dimensional religious candidate of media caricature”.
Comment by Vince P — January 4, 2008 @ 1:19 pm - January 4, 2008
@20
The only proof we have that Iowa doesn’t matter is that it usually doesn’t, a historical prediction. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter this year, that Huckabee can’t make the momentum last long enough. THe historical odds are against him, but every year is different.
@18: He said nothing of the sort, of course(, but I recognize the victim mentality you’re going for here). What he said is that Christianity as a virtue or candidate asset is not a substitute for skills or competency. And as far as the “hoist on their own petard” comment, all that Jimbo (and many others) are saying is that when a party uses religion and religious issues as political issues, uses sectarian belief and morals as planks in a platform, don’t be surprised when a non-establishment candidate can use that religion to win even though he’s “wrong” on many issues from a conservative point of view.
Comment by torrentprime — January 4, 2008 @ 1:31 pm - January 4, 2008
The Empire Strikes Back:
Hillary Rodham Clinton opened a five-day campaign to target what her aides call Barack Obama’s inexperience, delivering sharper attacks against the Iowa winner that are likely to become more personal and negative, according to Democrats familiar with the evolving strategy.
“Of all the people running for president, I’ve been the most vetted, the most investigated, and — my goodness — the most innocent, it turns out,” she told a cheering crowd in an airport hangar.
Comment by Vince P — January 4, 2008 @ 1:38 pm - January 4, 2008
23: So the current GOP is in less disarray than the Democratic party was 10 years ago? What?
Comment by torrentprime — January 4, 2008 @ 1:40 pm - January 4, 2008
26: My favorite part of last night was a toss-up between Obama’s victory speech and Bill and Hillary’s faces as she gave her practically-conceding speech. They both looked stunned, but she also looked pissed. LOL
Comment by torrentprime — January 4, 2008 @ 1:45 pm - January 4, 2008
A GP regular just sent me this privately:
http://tammybruce.com/2007/12/hillary_in_her_own.php
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 4, 2008 @ 1:59 pm - January 4, 2008
Go Big O!
Anyone who tries to dismiss him with snide remarks like “children’s crusade” or try to paint him as “not ready for primetime” or other such snarkiness should see him in action.
I had the opportunity to travel the few hours and watch him speak in Iowa, the crowds, the message, the oration, the energy, his issues
It was amazing.
Go see him speak in person and just try to be unimpressed.
FYI – Odds are good Huck carries South Carolina.
Odds are also good he carries most the southern states (at least) on Feb 5th
If he gets Florida it’s the end of Rudy and Fred!
Odds are even better that if he does not get the nomination he will be the VP nominee
Comment by gil — January 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm - January 4, 2008
So it appears that Huckabee is an Elmer Gantry who has misled the naive Christians by conning them with his tent revival rhetoric. At least that is my reading of Torrentprime’s explanation of Jimbo’s prior statement.
I have no use for Huckabee primarily because his conservative credentials do not begin to measure up to my expectations. I do not much care for the way he wears his religion on this sleeve. But I do not buy into the pied piper of naive Christians inference.
Populists always trade on identity politics. Obama is doing a great job with it. He is far slicker than John Edwards. Perhaps Huckabee has captured some segment of Christians through his populism, but that is not a blanket indictment of Christian voters.
How you get anything other than a blanket condemnation of Christians out of this is beyond me. Yet Torrentprime interprets Jimbo’s statement to mean:
H-m-m-m-m. Not much help here. Clearly Torrentprime is not stating that being Christian and skilled and competent are mutually exclusive, but what is the clarification that Torrentprime is inferring?
Jimbo’s comment sure looks like Christian bashing to me.
Comment by heliotrope — January 4, 2008 @ 3:52 pm - January 4, 2008
#31, at the risk of throwing fuel on this fire, you said:
I think you’re making a disingenuous interpretation of that statement when taken out of context as one sentence. Re-read the sentence in conjunction with the sentence which follows it:
I read this comment (before all the responses) not as an indictment of Christians, but of Huckabee’s incompetence.
Just my opinion is all. And you know what they say about opinions.
Comment by Mike — January 4, 2008 @ 4:07 pm - January 4, 2008
Thanks for your opinion Mike. I started this in my post (#13) when I asked the rhetorical question:
I suppose some might read that question as a concern for Huckabee’s success as a candidate; it is merely a prompt for thinking about the obvious.
Huckabee wears his Christianity as a part of his political persona. That is his right. Doing so will bring out those among his opponents who see it as a divisive form of piousness. Huckabee’s public use of religion is not of comfort to most of the mainstream media, most liberals and those special interest groups who feel victimized by strong Christian beliefs.
One may call Huckabee incompetent, but that is a fairly broad charge against one who has survived the political frays to the level of winning the Iowa caucus.
You accurately quote Jimbo. But the stand alone sentence you quote is a strange follow-up to what I stated (see quote above) and certainly does not modify or qualify this stand alone statement:
People do not normally paint Christians with such a broad brush. Imagine one were to say that “Democrats have been courting Jews for years & now they are being hoisted on their petard.” Suppose that they followed it with some comment about Schumer being incompetent. Does it read the same?
I would be delighted to move on. I will assume that Jimbo has made himself a victim of hasty philosophizing. (One other caveat: never use that “hoist on his own petar…” non reference. Google it to see why.)
Comment by Heliotrope — January 4, 2008 @ 6:02 pm - January 4, 2008
Mike (#32) — I agree with your perspective.
My partner John agrees ultimately with the indictment that Huckabee IS incompetent…oh, and a liar.
Comment by GayPatriot — January 4, 2008 @ 6:07 pm - January 4, 2008
How about her base in the liberal “MSM”?
More like less disarray than the liberals have been for the past 8 years. They could use some more closed door meetings to figure out what they actually believe in and then how to fool the public that it’s true. Enter George Lackoff (rhymes with…).
So you’re easily impressed by a guy who tells you to your face that he’s going to flush your freedoms down the shitter and make you a dependant ward of Uncle Sugar’s tit?
I feel so sorry for you. Maybe some day you’ll find self respect.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 4, 2008 @ 7:37 pm - January 4, 2008
Just a suggestion…
Since the Republican nomination is so wide open, with 5 candidates still with a legitimate shot of winning the nomination, this site needs a poll question asking who will win the GOP nomination.
Comment by Chase — January 4, 2008 @ 8:25 pm - January 4, 2008
I think some of your posters are pretty delusional to believe that the 2008 Republican POTUS ticket will consist of two social liberals. What the LGBT RNC and RSCC realized last night was that the social conservatives of all political affiliations were not going to capitulate to the liberal members of the Democrat and Republican parties. It took 43 years after the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 for social conservatives to regain parity in the public and private sectors. This is a battle for the federal appellate and the SCOTUS. Social liberals and moderates need not apply.
Comment by RJLigier — January 4, 2008 @ 8:31 pm - January 4, 2008
Yea, nice try.
The most stunning aspect of the Iowa Caucus last night was this:
In the Democratic caucus, as many 17-29 year olds voted as did voters over the age of 65.
That’s a revolution. It turns conventional political wisdom on its head. If Senator Obama can replicate that repeatedly, he will completely reshape the political landscape of this country.
Comment by Chase — January 4, 2008 @ 8:38 pm - January 4, 2008
Obama doesn’t stand a chance in Nov should he make it that far.
quote me.
Comment by Vince P — January 4, 2008 @ 8:44 pm - January 4, 2008
My rhetorical question was:
Chase backs into saying he does by stating the following:
17-29 year olds are the least reliable cohort of “potential” voters.
My question still stands. (It is worth noting that Kennedy’s aura was so thin that his presidency hinged on Mayor Daly and the votes of dead people in Cook County, Illinois.) (Oh, yeah, that would be the stomping grounds of Barack Obama and Mayor Daly’s son. How remarkable!!!)
Comment by heliotrope — January 4, 2008 @ 9:30 pm - January 4, 2008
In the Democratic caucus, as many 17-29 year olds voted as did voters over the age of 65.
Oh please.
A) The first of the baby boom generation just hit 62 this year. THEY are the bulge in the demographic, and they’ve already been taken by two snake-oil salesmen — Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
B) Why in the name of God would people over 65 go out on icy roads in below-freezing temperatures at night to sit on hard chairs and listen to people yell at each other in irrelevant caucus meetings for three to four hours?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 4, 2008 @ 10:30 pm - January 4, 2008
Happy New Year everyone! And what a year it promises to be. Didn’t I tell you all to watch out for the Huckster? Still, the vitriol that’s been unleashed against him by the neo-cons and the corporate-cons is breathtaking. Do they not realize the risk they take in destroying the new darling of their religious right base? And who will they turn to? Romney’s a flip-flopping disaster and Giuliani’s pinning all his rapidly deflating hopes on Florida which is almost certainly far too late. Thompson? Yeah, right, it’s long past Gramps’ bedtime. That leaves McCain, but have you seen how old and stooped he looks these days? Plus, the Independents he needs in New Hampshire are liable to be flocking to Obama, who BTW is to be congratulated for his awesome win in Iowa. He’s not my first choice but he’s on the verge of making my prediction that Hillary won’t ever be President come true. Icing on the cake will be when the scorned Ron Paul launches a third-party run. At any rate, it will be a exciting year.
This will be my last comment ever here at GayPatriot. Bruce asked me last month to “Move-on” and I will honor his request. You can rest assured that the time I would have spent here will be put to good use ensuring that progressives score big in November. I would suggest to other progressives who have fought the good fight here that they also consider that their time and efforts might be better spent elsewhere as Bruce suggests.
Comment by Ian S — January 4, 2008 @ 11:01 pm - January 4, 2008
This will be my last comment ever here at GayPatriot.
Under the name “Ian S”, maybe.
But I have a distinct feeling that a new swarm of sock puppets will descend upon us like locusts.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 4, 2008 @ 11:25 pm - January 4, 2008
Ummm… If you were really honoring Bruce’s request, you would have moved on last month.
It’s a bit like the stalker who phones you to say, “Honey, I got your restraining order. This is the last time I’ll call you and I’m calling to say I got the restraining order that says I shouldn’t be calling you right now.”
Umm… That would be you implying, Ian, that you have “fought the good fight” here. But - you have not. Sorry.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 5, 2008 @ 2:20 am - January 5, 2008
roflol. man, youve got him pegged!
Comment by American Elephant — January 5, 2008 @ 2:25 am - January 5, 2008
And finally, Ian: just so you know, the pro-freedom commentors here are about a million times more progressive than you will ever be.
(Progress lies with human freedom. You are a reactionary, wanting to keep humanity stuck in the failed world of big government / socialism.)
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 5, 2008 @ 2:26 am - January 5, 2008
So…
Nobody knows why the hell Ioway voted for Oprama. I don’t suppose anybody knows if he spent his Hsu laundered cash there or not.
“Ancient Chinese secret, huh?”
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 5, 2008 @ 2:44 am - January 5, 2008
There were no issues that resonated in Iowa. Nauseating, meaningless, empty, vacuous populist platitudes resonated in Iowa. Hence the victories by Oprahbama and Nanny Huckabee. Yuck!
WHAT message? WHAT issues? I’ve never heard so much meaningless crap from any group of people in my life. That Huckabee was just as vapid is more evidence he is in the wrong party. “Daring to hope” isnt an issue, its a cheese meaningless sentiment on a hallmark card. How stupid do you have to be to fall for such tripe?
As for the future of the race, I have only one prediction, Hillary is going to come down hard and nassssty on Obama. She will redouble her attacks on his complete lack of qualification, and I suspect you will start to hear people warning that he cant be elected in “racist” America. The entire Clinton war-machine will be mobilized against him, with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the race-mongers joining in to destroy Obama. His election would destroy their entire victimization industry, and they will do whatever they can to ensure that doesnt happen.
Finally, I hope Giulliani hasnt harmed himself by sitting Iowa out. He’s my man. Fiscally conservative, law and order, constitutional originalist, he has the best answers to the health care problem by far, and something that hasnt gotten any mention but which deserves it — his background as a federal prosecutor and his temperment as a fighter, not a compromiser, make him the best chance America has to clean up the State Department and the CIA where career partisan hacks are doing the country great damage. It would be joyous to see a Republican take on the press, and I think Rudy is just the man for that job as well.
Adding Thompson to the ticket could go a very long way towards bringing wary conservatives back on board.
Giulliani/Thompson 08!
Comment by American Elephant — January 5, 2008 @ 3:07 am - January 5, 2008
48: Elephant:
I agree with you completely.. Both B Hussien Winfrey and Huckster are empty suits and totally unqualified to led this country particularly during this time of war. What werethe idiots in iowa thinking?
Comment by Vince P — January 5, 2008 @ 6:53 am - January 5, 2008
Now lets see, Huckabee as governor continued to bring Arkansas into the 20th Century, He did not pander to Walmart , he was forced by Arkansas Supreme Court to overhaul School System, he returned 850 million surplus to people of Arkansas, he might be a Christian who has actually read the Book with accompanying practice of its principles, and he has hired Ed Rollins to be his campaign manager.
I Think I am going to wait to make my judgement on him as a candidate. I sort of like it that Wall Street Republicans are a little fearful of him. My Vote is always going to be foreign policy and John McCain is my first choice, but we who vote in March may not have much choice..
Comment by Tom In Dallas — January 5, 2008 @ 11:51 am - January 5, 2008
Ay, yi, yi. What a ruckus I caused! Some people here are hypersensitive about religion. OK then, let’s leave Huckabee’s religion out of the equation shall we? I don’t like Huckabee because he’s an incompetent boob who appears to be a reincarnation of Jimmy Carter. The GOP can do MUCH better.
Happy now? Jeez Louise.
Comment by Jimbo — January 5, 2008 @ 2:28 pm - January 5, 2008
He’d a done better to hire Henry Rollins.
The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft’ interred with their bones, so let it be with Huckster.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 5, 2008 @ 5:32 pm - January 5, 2008
Which is why everyone doubted Obama would win! And is also why if Obama can recreate what he did in Iowa on a large scale (undoubtedly a big if), then the political map we are used to seeing will be thrown in the trash.
Boosting the youth turn out is sort of like the Holy Grail for the Democrats. If somebody could figure out how to get them to the polls, the Democrats would win going away.
The Republicans better hope Iowa was a fluke and that Obama hasn’t solved that puzzle.
Comment by Chase — January 6, 2008 @ 1:23 am - January 6, 2008
Which is why Rock the Vote was such a success, right?
You mean “how can we fool ‘em into believing we give a damn”, eh?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — January 6, 2008 @ 2:01 am - January 6, 2008
Unfortunately for Arkansans, its now the 21st century.
Too bad, after his tax increases, Arkansans could sorely use the low prices.
I dont know how thats possible, when by the end of his tenure he had overseen a net $505 million tax increase. The liberal giveth and the liberal taketh away.
Oh GOOD! ….maybe he can show me the passage where Jesus tells the Romans to conviscate the peoples wealth and use the power of government to force them to do as He says, cus its surely missing from my copy.
Comment by American Elephant — January 6, 2008 @ 4:27 am - January 6, 2008
Ian was asked to leave?
WTF
Well. Its your site, you can do as you please.
I’ll be out too then. The hosts allows liars like NDT, slanders like TGC and the rest of the crew, yet bans liberals for nothing….
Why post on such a dissent stifling blog?
Proof yet again, conservatives can’t handle the heat!
Enjoy your lives!
Enjoy Huckabee!
Go Big O!
Comment by gil — January 6, 2008 @ 7:42 pm - January 6, 2008
Ian, really, your sockpuppet identities don’t have to make the same melodramatic exit that you did.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 6, 2008 @ 8:30 pm - January 6, 2008
gil, you’ve proven time and again that you’re the one who can’t handle the heat. Don’t let the door hit your ass, America-hater.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 6, 2008 @ 10:15 pm - January 6, 2008
AE, I am THRILLED to see someone else make this point.
Jesus said: Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. Jesus certainly did NOT say: Ally yourself with Caesar - that is, behave as a Roman - in order to confiscate your neighbor’s wealth, that you envy and covet so much, to pay your own AIDS or drug addiction bills.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 6, 2008 @ 10:19 pm - January 6, 2008
Actually, ILC, that reminds me of something else….notice how “KYKid” disappeared in December, right about the same time Ian did?
Plus you’re absolutely right. Notice how the Democrat Party is made up of multimillionaires like Pelosi, Edwards, Clinton, and so forth, but they demand that other people pay for their social programs?
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 6, 2008 @ 10:45 pm - January 6, 2008
Giuliani/Thompson, I said it first.
Comment by Roberto — January 7, 2008 @ 10:24 am - January 7, 2008
Countdown to KYKid’s melodramatic exit speech in 4… 3… 2…
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 7, 2008 @ 10:59 am - January 7, 2008