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	<title>Comments on: Obama:  Standard Issue Liberal with Charisma &amp; Presence or Something More?</title>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until Jimmy Carter, there was a tradition called &quot;senatorial courtesy.&quot; When a federal judgeship was open, the senators of the state involved would send the president a list of people they could support. The president would choose from the list and if the state senators agreed, the rest of the senate would go along.

Carter decided to ignore the tradition in favor of fast-tracking women and blacks in the judgeships. With the old system smashed, a new system has evolved to the point of nominees needing 60 votes and giving rise to threats of the nuclear option.

From my vantage point, I do not see that anything positive has evolved from the destruction of senatorial courtesy. We have had an escalating judicial warfare that has led to near stalemate in the nomination process. The balance has been overwhelmed by the stagnation of always &quot;checking&quot; the president&#039;s move. That is pure politics, not government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until Jimmy Carter, there was a tradition called &#8220;senatorial courtesy.&#8221; When a federal judgeship was open, the senators of the state involved would send the president a list of people they could support. The president would choose from the list and if the state senators agreed, the rest of the senate would go along.</p>
<p>Carter decided to ignore the tradition in favor of fast-tracking women and blacks in the judgeships. With the old system smashed, a new system has evolved to the point of nominees needing 60 votes and giving rise to threats of the nuclear option.</p>
<p>From my vantage point, I do not see that anything positive has evolved from the destruction of senatorial courtesy. We have had an escalating judicial warfare that has led to near stalemate in the nomination process. The balance has been overwhelmed by the stagnation of always &#8220;checking&#8221; the president&#8217;s move. That is pure politics, not government.</p>
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		<title>By: Houndentenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houndentenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay like it or not the President nominates judges and the Senate has to approve.  Those are the rules.  I don&#039;t think there are any other rules as to criteria or what questions can be asked.  Pardon me if I am mistaken.  So it&#039;s total BS to act like the Senate has to rubber stamp appointments or can&#039;t bar someone they don&#039;t like.  Those are the rules and if you don&#039;t like it either elect a Senate and President from the same party or amend the constitution.  Yeah, I know sometimes those rules piss me off too but that&#039;s how it works and I can deal.  Throwing a hissy every time you can&#039;t get whatever you want is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay like it or not the President nominates judges and the Senate has to approve.  Those are the rules.  I don&#8217;t think there are any other rules as to criteria or what questions can be asked.  Pardon me if I am mistaken.  So it&#8217;s total BS to act like the Senate has to rubber stamp appointments or can&#8217;t bar someone they don&#8217;t like.  Those are the rules and if you don&#8217;t like it either elect a Senate and President from the same party or amend the constitution.  Yeah, I know sometimes those rules piss me off too but that&#8217;s how it works and I can deal.  Throwing a hissy every time you can&#8217;t get whatever you want is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

&lt;i&gt;The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance.&lt;/i&gt;

Substance has historically not done well for Democrats.

Witness their attempt to give wealthy children free health care by hiking a tax -- the cigarette tax -- that they themselves have screamed is &quot;regressive&quot; and unfair to poor people and minorities.

Or, phrased differently, they support healthcare for the rich by more heavily taxing the poor.

This is why, during the S-CHIP debate, they kept shoving wealthy children out in front of the camera, rather than posting numbers that would demonstrate exactly who their tax would affect versus who would be receiving the free healthcare.

As the adage goes, if someone has numbers, they give them -- and if they don&#039;t, they do everything they can to stay away from them.

Obama already demonstrated that he doesn&#039;t do numbers (the &quot;10,000 killed by a tornado in Kansas&quot; debacle).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p><i>The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance.</i></p>
<p>Substance has historically not done well for Democrats.</p>
<p>Witness their attempt to give wealthy children free health care by hiking a tax &#8212; the cigarette tax &#8212; that they themselves have screamed is &#8220;regressive&#8221; and unfair to poor people and minorities.</p>
<p>Or, phrased differently, they support healthcare for the rich by more heavily taxing the poor.</p>
<p>This is why, during the S-CHIP debate, they kept shoving wealthy children out in front of the camera, rather than posting numbers that would demonstrate exactly who their tax would affect versus who would be receiving the free healthcare.</p>
<p>As the adage goes, if someone has numbers, they give them &#8212; and if they don&#8217;t, they do everything they can to stay away from them.</p>
<p>Obama already demonstrated that he doesn&#8217;t do numbers (the &#8220;10,000 killed by a tornado in Kansas&#8221; debacle).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18: &quot;It looks like the democrats may have been picked up by a pied piper who will lead them all the way to the polls. The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance.&quot;

Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18: &#8220;It looks like the democrats may have been picked up by a pied piper who will lead them all the way to the polls. The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Thurgood Marshall was the nominee, Ted Kennedy said that the committee should not ask questions about cases that would be ccoming before the court. When it was Clarence Thomas turn, he changed his tune and said it was appropriate to know Thomas´position on cases that would be coming up for review.

I am wondering if Obama should become president, will he divorce Michelle and marry Oprah so that she could become the first lady?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Thurgood Marshall was the nominee, Ted Kennedy said that the committee should not ask questions about cases that would be ccoming before the court. When it was Clarence Thomas turn, he changed his tune and said it was appropriate to know Thomas´position on cases that would be coming up for review.</p>
<p>I am wondering if Obama should become president, will he divorce Michelle and marry Oprah so that she could become the first lady?</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am amused that people on the right are just now figuring out that not everyone in the Democratic Party is in love with the Clintons.&lt;/blockquote&gt; We are a slow witted group. We assumed that every single democrat voted for Clinton in the exact same way every single Republican voted for Bush and worships every move he has made as president.

Obviously, the Republicans are holding back on who their candidate will be. The money is not flowing. There is a lot of caution in the air.

It looks like the democrats may have been picked up by a pied piper who will lead them all the way to the polls. The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance. Huey Long comes in all shapes and forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am amused that people on the right are just now figuring out that not everyone in the Democratic Party is in love with the Clintons.</p></blockquote>
<p> We are a slow witted group. We assumed that every single democrat voted for Clinton in the exact same way every single Republican voted for Bush and worships every move he has made as president.</p>
<p>Obviously, the Republicans are holding back on who their candidate will be. The money is not flowing. There is a lot of caution in the air.</p>
<p>It looks like the democrats may have been picked up by a pied piper who will lead them all the way to the polls. The question now is whether any significant number of democrats will eschew the elevating platitudes and demand substance. Huey Long comes in all shapes and forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Houndentenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houndentenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amused that people on the right are just now figuring out that not everyone in the Democratic Party is in love with the Clintons.  I voted for Bill in 92 and 96 but not without reservations.  I&#039;m tired of Clintons and Bushes.  Basta! (Enough already!)

Yes, Obama&#039;s main appeal is that he&#039;s a good speaker and talks about things people are interested in.  It seems genuine and not from a list supplied by political consultants.  That is refreshing considering what we usually get from politicians these days.  (BTW, I think Huckabee&#039;s appeal in Iowa was similar...not the same but similar.  He&#039;s a very good speaker and was addressing issues that many delegates at the caucuses cared about very much.  Candidates who have hit such a nerve might not get the nomination, but the eventual nominee ignores those issues and concerns at his or her own peril.

About Breyer and Ginsberg...Clinton picked them from a list supplied to him by Republicans (I&#039;m remembering it was Hatch but I could be wrong) of potential justices that they would find acceptable.  It&#039;s no surprise that they had no trouble being confirmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amused that people on the right are just now figuring out that not everyone in the Democratic Party is in love with the Clintons.  I voted for Bill in 92 and 96 but not without reservations.  I&#8217;m tired of Clintons and Bushes.  Basta! (Enough already!)</p>
<p>Yes, Obama&#8217;s main appeal is that he&#8217;s a good speaker and talks about things people are interested in.  It seems genuine and not from a list supplied by political consultants.  That is refreshing considering what we usually get from politicians these days.  (BTW, I think Huckabee&#8217;s appeal in Iowa was similar&#8230;not the same but similar.  He&#8217;s a very good speaker and was addressing issues that many delegates at the caucuses cared about very much.  Candidates who have hit such a nerve might not get the nomination, but the eventual nominee ignores those issues and concerns at his or her own peril.</p>
<p>About Breyer and Ginsberg&#8230;Clinton picked them from a list supplied to him by Republicans (I&#8217;m remembering it was Hatch but I could be wrong) of potential justices that they would find acceptable.  It&#8217;s no surprise that they had no trouble being confirmed.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The connections between Obama and the teachings of Saul Alinsky are well worth noting.

If Obama is the master communicator of the Alinsky &quot;pick the scab&quot; radicalism, the &quot;inspired&quot; masses may be unreachable by reasoned debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The connections between Obama and the teachings of Saul Alinsky are well worth noting.</p>
<p>If Obama is the master communicator of the Alinsky &#8220;pick the scab&#8221; radicalism, the &#8220;inspired&#8221; masses may be unreachable by reasoned debate.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, you might recall that the Republicans took the Senate for part of the Clinton Administration. They had years of experience with the way Leahy, Kennedy, Biden and the other grand poobahs of the Democrat machine treated the judicial nominees of Reagan and Bush I. You might recall the bruising they gave Clarence Thomas.

Now, it appears that you blame them for playing hardball after upteen years of Democrat hardball. Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, you might recall that the Republicans took the Senate for part of the Clinton Administration. They had years of experience with the way Leahy, Kennedy, Biden and the other grand poobahs of the Democrat machine treated the judicial nominees of Reagan and Bush I. You might recall the bruising they gave Clarence Thomas.</p>
<p>Now, it appears that you blame them for playing hardball after upteen years of Democrat hardball. Or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, the Democrats aren’t doing the same thing&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re absolutely right. The Republicans didn&#039;t attempt to filibuster nominees with majority support. And the crisis goes to the Circuit Court nominations, not the Supreme Court. They had majority support of Republicans and liberals, but certain liberal SOBs decided it would be more fun to circumvent the US Constitution (surprise, surprise) for political gain.

Face it, Kevin. The liberals are &lt;b&gt;GUILTY&lt;/b&gt; on many counts of throwing out the constitution when it suits them and play political games with the country.

And we&#039;re supposed to reward these worthless SOBs by voting for them???? Nah. There&#039;s a place for them in the fifth ring of hell. Well, them and any of their apologists who see fit to lick their twats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, the Democrats aren’t doing the same thing</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. The Republicans didn&#8217;t attempt to filibuster nominees with majority support. And the crisis goes to the Circuit Court nominations, not the Supreme Court. They had majority support of Republicans and liberals, but certain liberal SOBs decided it would be more fun to circumvent the US Constitution (surprise, surprise) for political gain.</p>
<p>Face it, Kevin. The liberals are <b>GUILTY</b> on many counts of throwing out the constitution when it suits them and play political games with the country.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re supposed to reward these worthless SOBs by voting for them???? Nah. There&#8217;s a place for them in the fifth ring of hell. Well, them and any of their apologists who see fit to lick their twats.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6:  :-)  Oh c&#039;mon.  You can&#039;t sit and pat yor selves on the back about 2 Supreme Court nominees while the Republicans put a chokehold on the rest of the process through much of the Clinton years.  Also, the Democrats aren&#039;t doing the same thing....they&#039;re actually looking at the nominees, unlike the rubber stamp the Republican controlled senate gave to Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6:  <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Oh c&#8217;mon.  You can&#8217;t sit and pat yor selves on the back about 2 Supreme Court nominees while the Republicans put a chokehold on the rest of the process through much of the Clinton years.  Also, the Democrats aren&#8217;t doing the same thing&#8230;.they&#8217;re actually looking at the nominees, unlike the rubber stamp the Republican controlled senate gave to Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: mean Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>mean Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to believe Obama that he was not a muslim nor a muslim sympathizer.
But he went to Kenya and gave a speech supporting Raila A. Odinga.*
Here&#039;s a PDF of Odinga&#039;s promise to institute Sharia Law if elected....scan to page 2 section &quot;b.&quot;
 http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8

*http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613

No mainstream media coverage of all this, naturally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to believe Obama that he was not a muslim nor a muslim sympathizer.<br />
But he went to Kenya and gave a speech supporting Raila A. Odinga.*<br />
Here&#8217;s a PDF of Odinga&#8217;s promise to institute Sharia Law if elected&#8230;.scan to page 2 section &#8220;b.&#8221;<br />
 <a href="http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8" rel="nofollow">http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8</a></p>
<p>*http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613</p>
<p>No mainstream media coverage of all this, naturally.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He may soon have to return to the Senate floor to show a national audience his ability on issues and bi-partisian leadership.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He might actually have to author some legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He may soon have to return to the Senate floor to show a national audience his ability on issues and bi-partisian leadership.</p></blockquote>
<p>He might actually have to author some legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Geena the transgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geena the transgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama could have 9-10 months as the nominee.   That&#039;s a long time to keep up all this intensity.  He may soon have to return to the Senate floor to show a national audience his ability on issues and bi-partisian leadership.  It will be interesting to see the style he chooses to communicate from here on in, Oprah won&#039;t help much between now and November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama could have 9-10 months as the nominee.   That&#8217;s a long time to keep up all this intensity.  He may soon have to return to the Senate floor to show a national audience his ability on issues and bi-partisian leadership.  It will be interesting to see the style he chooses to communicate from here on in, Oprah won&#8217;t help much between now and November.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Senator Leahy (D., Vt.): &quot;I have said on the floor, although we are different parties, I have agreed with Gov. George Bush, who has said that in the Senate a nominee ought to get a [floor] vote, up or down, within 60 days.&quot; (Congressional Record, Oct. 11, 2000)

Senator Biden, (D., Del.): &quot;But I also respectfully suggest that everyone who is nominated ought to have a shot, to have a hearing and to have a shot to be heard on the floor and have a vote on the floor.&quot; (Congressional Record, March 19, 1997)

Sen. Edward Kennedy (D., Mass.): &quot;We owe it to Americans across the country to give these nominees a vote. If our Republican colleagues don&#039;t like them, vote against them. But give them a vote.&quot; (Congressional Record, Feb. 3, 1998)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.): &quot;A nominee is entitled to a vote. Vote them up; vote them down.... If we don&#039;t like them, we can vote against them. That is the honest thing to do. If there are things in their background, in their abilities that don&#039;t pass muster, vote no.&quot; (Congressional Record, Sept. 16, 1999)

Sen. Tom Daschle (D., S.D.): &quot;As Chief Justice Rehnquist has recognized: &#039;The Senate is surely under no obligation to confirm any particular nominee, but after the necessary time for inquiry it should vote him up or vote him down.&#039; An up-or-down vote, that is all we ask....&quot; (Congressional Record, Oct. 5, 1999)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too bad they&#039;re not honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Senator Leahy (D., Vt.): &#8220;I have said on the floor, although we are different parties, I have agreed with Gov. George Bush, who has said that in the Senate a nominee ought to get a [floor] vote, up or down, within 60 days.&#8221; (Congressional Record, Oct. 11, 2000)</p>
<p>Senator Biden, (D., Del.): &#8220;But I also respectfully suggest that everyone who is nominated ought to have a shot, to have a hearing and to have a shot to be heard on the floor and have a vote on the floor.&#8221; (Congressional Record, March 19, 1997)</p>
<p>Sen. Edward Kennedy (D., Mass.): &#8220;We owe it to Americans across the country to give these nominees a vote. If our Republican colleagues don&#8217;t like them, vote against them. But give them a vote.&#8221; (Congressional Record, Feb. 3, 1998)</p>
<p>Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.): &#8220;A nominee is entitled to a vote. Vote them up; vote them down&#8230;. If we don&#8217;t like them, we can vote against them. That is the honest thing to do. If there are things in their background, in their abilities that don&#8217;t pass muster, vote no.&#8221; (Congressional Record, Sept. 16, 1999)</p>
<p>Sen. Tom Daschle (D., S.D.): &#8220;As Chief Justice Rehnquist has recognized: &#8216;The Senate is surely under no obligation to confirm any particular nominee, but after the necessary time for inquiry it should vote him up or vote him down.&#8217; An up-or-down vote, that is all we ask&#8230;.&#8221; (Congressional Record, Oct. 5, 1999)</p></blockquote>
<p>Too bad they&#8217;re not honest.</p>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5

Meanwhile the liberals decided that nominees like Miguel Estrada and Pricilla Owen, with the support of the liberal Bar Association and several liberal JD officials were too &quot;extreme&quot;.

Who was it the liberals opposed because he was a Catholic?</description>
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<p>Meanwhile the liberals decided that nominees like Miguel Estrada and Pricilla Owen, with the support of the liberal Bar Association and several liberal JD officials were too &#8220;extreme&#8221;.</p>
<p>Who was it the liberals opposed because he was a Catholic?</p>
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		<title>By: wyocwby</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyocwby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find interesting is one, how shallow the base of support Hillary had—one setback and they’re out the door like lemmings, and two, how quickly the base of the Democrat party has been willing to abandon the one successful franchise for a Dem presidency in living memory, aka the Clinton presidency.

I do agree that the key to Obama’s success is that he is the “new face.”  For all the talk and the sappy Kennedy memories, he is the only new face on the scene.  The same holds true for the Huck-A-Boom, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting is one, how shallow the base of support Hillary had—one setback and they’re out the door like lemmings, and two, how quickly the base of the Democrat party has been willing to abandon the one successful franchise for a Dem presidency in living memory, aka the Clinton presidency.</p>
<p>I do agree that the key to Obama’s success is that he is the “new face.”  For all the talk and the sappy Kennedy memories, he is the only new face on the scene.  The same holds true for the Huck-A-Boom, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the Democrats are doing now, Kevin?

And anyway, your comment hardly addresses the point made in the passage you quoted.  For here, we&#039;re talking about the attitude of various senators toward Supreme Court nominees.  And instead of addressing the issue at hand, you just look for another excuse to bash Republicans.

At least on the level of Supreme Court nominees, the average Republican Senator showed more deference to a Democratic president than did the supposedly post-partisan Senator Obama to a Republican President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the Democrats are doing now, Kevin?</p>
<p>And anyway, your comment hardly addresses the point made in the passage you quoted.  For here, we&#8217;re talking about the attitude of various senators toward Supreme Court nominees.  And instead of addressing the issue at hand, you just look for another excuse to bash Republicans.</p>
<p>At least on the level of Supreme Court nominees, the average Republican Senator showed more deference to a Democratic president than did the supposedly post-partisan Senator Obama to a Republican President.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Note that the past two Democratic nominees, Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were confirmed with only a handful of Republican objections.&quot;

Meanwhile, the Republicans wouldn&#039;t let other Clinton nominees even pass through committee as a way of stopping Clinton from appointing judges to open positions.  Republicans used the excuse of there being too many federal judges, but boy they changed their tune when Bush became president, saying that there was a &quot;judicial crisis&quot; of not enough judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Note that the past two Democratic nominees, Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were confirmed with only a handful of Republican objections.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Republicans wouldn&#8217;t let other Clinton nominees even pass through committee as a way of stopping Clinton from appointing judges to open positions.  Republicans used the excuse of there being too many federal judges, but boy they changed their tune when Bush became president, saying that there was a &#8220;judicial crisis&#8221; of not enough judges.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama is thus considerably more partisan than two-thirds of the Republicans in the Senate during Bill Clinton’s first term...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ah, but you see, Obama had good reasons.  Because HE is a good guy who voted legitimately from the heart against evil Rethuglicans, blah blah blah blah....

In other words, I think the real significance of Obama is this: Old B.S. in new skin (so to speak).  The Clintons&#039; time is past.  Most of the cynicism about the Clintons has proved justified; turns out they weren&#039;t a &quot;Third Way&quot; after all, just the same old lying hard-leftists.  And everyone knows.  Time to put the same old B.S. in a new dress - excuse me, a &quot;fresh face&quot; - that will require a new years-long cycle of painstaking exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama is thus considerably more partisan than two-thirds of the Republicans in the Senate during Bill Clinton’s first term&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but you see, Obama had good reasons.  Because HE is a good guy who voted legitimately from the heart against evil Rethuglicans, blah blah blah blah&#8230;.</p>
<p>In other words, I think the real significance of Obama is this: Old B.S. in new skin (so to speak).  The Clintons&#8217; time is past.  Most of the cynicism about the Clintons has proved justified; turns out they weren&#8217;t a &#8220;Third Way&#8221; after all, just the same old lying hard-leftists.  And everyone knows.  Time to put the same old B.S. in a new dress &#8211; excuse me, a &#8220;fresh face&#8221; &#8211; that will require a new years-long cycle of painstaking exposure.</p>
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