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**I’ve reposted this because I felt it got a little buried yesterday**
Please listen to our latest “GayPatriot’s America” podcast. On Monday, I interviewed Jonah Goldberg, columnist for the Los Angeles Times and Contributing Editor for the National Review. Jonah and I discussed his new book, Liberal Fascism. — a MUST read.
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Bruce, I love it when you get these NR guys on the show… implicitly proving they have no problem with gay people.
My memory is vague, but it seems to me that Jonah is one of many whom the hyper-sensitive and hysterical Andrew Sullivan has accused of “homophobia”, at some point.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 21, 2008 @ 12:20 pm - January 21, 2008
I just listened to your podcast and very much enjoyed it. I especially appreciated that you have figured out, unlike even some of my favorite talk-show personalities (Hewitt, Medved, et. al) that we really want to hear the GUEST speak about their issue/book/opinion/whatever.
At the risk of opening up a collosal can of worms, and making my self sound like an a**hole at the same time, I wanted to drop some thoughts on Capitalism’s second line above. Leaving out the loony-right-”all-gays-are-the-devil” blithering idiots, I think Mr. Goldberg’s (any relation to Bernie?
) attitude is emblematic of many on the right; I think Tammy Bruce referred to Dr. Laura (who has been accused frequently of “homophobia”) as one who “…hates the sin, loves the sinner.” Besides, Jonah is coming on to talk about his book, not discuss homosexuality or his opinions on it, or castigate others for their choices or whatever (unless it’s in relation to his book). BTW, I have bought the book, but have yet to have a chance to read it.
Anyway, great interview, and keep up the good work!
Comment by SGT Christopher Whitaker — January 21, 2008 @ 1:45 pm - January 21, 2008
I’ve been reading NR for years and I have no memory of any anti-gay sentiment at all.
In fact I dont see much support for social conservativism there.
Comment by Vince P — January 21, 2008 @ 2:36 pm - January 21, 2008
Off Topic – sorry Bruce
– but there are a couple cute things in the blogosphere today.
Taranto has a little note on Sullivan, who is so nutty, he recently became “the only person ever to suggest that there’s a vast right-wing conspiracy working *for* Mrs. Clinton”. Sullivan advanced a conspiracy theory (which Taranto quotes) that Bush secretly wants a Hillary victory, for to obtain Clinton and Democratic buy-in on an endless “occupation” of Iraq. Well, I hope Sullivan is at least right that President Hillary won’t run from Iraq.
Next, it seems that Confederate Yankee finally has the official statements of Scott Beauchamp’s fellow soldiers… and they do not reflect well, on The New Republic or on Beauchamp. He will have more to say later.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 21, 2008 @ 4:23 pm - January 21, 2008
Back on topic. Listening now… Jonah makes a great basic point… Fascism = “National Socialism”… But… Most socialism is nationalist in practice (and often nationalist in name as well); and all economic nationalism tends to socialism (i.e., nationalizing the economy)… so most socialists, “democratic” or otherwise, really are National Socialists at heart, i.e., fascists. They just don’t want you to ever say it, or notice.
Hugo Chavez is a great example: he is socialist and he is nationalist… we should not be surprised that we see Chavez following Hitler’s and Mussolini’s path in terms of one-party dictatorship, ending dissent, etc.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 21, 2008 @ 4:54 pm - January 21, 2008
I agree with any earlier caller that you, Bruce, understand the the show is about Jonah and not you (unlike Charlie Rose who must just love the sound of his own voice.) I spent much of yesterday reading LIBERAL FASCISM and think that this interview was excellent in getting at the kernel of the book. Most TV interviews I’ve seen turn into scream fests in which it’s perfectly obvious the the leftist interviewer real little other than the title before turning livid, Alan Colmes is a good example. I’ve been reading NR for years also and have just finished STRICTLY RIGHT, a memoir of the magazine’s life. In neither have I seen any gay-hating. Keep up the good work, I look forward to reading your blog.
Comment by Kit Winterer — January 22, 2008 @ 7:29 am - January 22, 2008
Bruce: I listened to this on the way to work this morning and I must say, bravo! I enjoy Goldberg’s columns and listening to him being interviewed so it was definitely a feather in GP’s cap to have him on. I hope you can bring him back to finish his thoughts on this subject because this interview was unfortunately too short.
Comment by John — January 22, 2008 @ 7:46 am - January 22, 2008
Bruce: great segment. I like hearing Jonah’s opinions (which is why I don’t bother with Hannity + Colmes). He’s funny and smart. Even his couch is smart. His book is next on my stack of stuff.
#1: ILC, getting Jonah on here is one thing but I don’t think we’ll get a Derb interview anytime soon (and Derb is one of my faves).
#3: Vince, I’ve been reading every issue of NR for 15 years or so and while there may not be “anti-gay” (depends on definition) sentiment, I’ve not seen much sympathetic to the needs of gay couples. Some writers (e.g. Ponnuru, Kurtz, K-Lo) seem to cling to the idea that allowing gays marriage (or civil unions) will magically destroy the nuclear family and screw things up for The Children.
I certainly don’t have to agree with all their opinions to enjoy the mag and the website immensely (especially since Florence King is back).
Comment by Robert — January 22, 2008 @ 7:40 pm - January 22, 2008
Robert: I’m not a supporter of Gay Marriage.. I’m gay.. does this make me anti-gay?
Comment by Vince P — January 22, 2008 @ 7:55 pm - January 22, 2008
Vince, like I said “anti-gay” depends on definition. I’m against open borders but that doesn’t make me “anti-immigrant”.
Comment by Robert — January 22, 2008 @ 9:20 pm - January 22, 2008
Congrats on getting Johna for the podcast. He’s my fav writer over at NRO.
Comment by wyocwby — January 22, 2008 @ 9:54 pm - January 22, 2008
I don’t have a specific quote, but I’ve heard Jonah say on numerous occasions that he is in favor of Gay Marriage. Others on NR, such as Ponnuru, Kurtz, K-Lo are against it. That is one of the things I like about NR, everyone there calls themselves conservative, yet each individual has their own definition. Jonah has not been ostracized for his opinion on Gay marriage – though I’m sure he’s had some interesting discussions with his fellow writers.
Comment by Leah — January 23, 2008 @ 11:43 am - January 23, 2008
I’m sure Mr. Goldberg has written a fine book. It’s the title that bothers me. I heard it once said from a conservative columnist that the far-left resorts to calling President Bush a Nazi as a last resort & that people who reduce to calling their opponents “Nazis” sense that they are losing the public debate. Yes, the left is nutty much of the time. But to just call them “Nazis” conservatives are displaying the same mindlessness & gives the general public the impression that conservatives are losing the debate, have nothing constructive to contribute & are just lashing out. I know I will get pounded on for pointing this out, but I just had to get this off my chest.
Comment by Jimbo — January 23, 2008 @ 12:28 pm - January 23, 2008
What conservative called someone a Nazi here?
Comment by Vince P — January 23, 2008 @ 12:42 pm - January 23, 2008
Jimbo, not to pound on you, but facts are facts. Fascism and leftism have a shared intellectual heritage, and a tremendous overlap in the domestic policies they advocate. It’s not mindlessness, it’s a valid fact that should be pointed out more.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 23, 2008 @ 12:55 pm - January 23, 2008
Hat tip Instapundit: I just enjoyed reading Arnold Kling’s review of Goldberg’s book. It’s at least somewhat critical. Kling is sympathetic, but thinks that Goldberg wanders around, and may ‘reach’ too hard on some aspects. I’d like to know if other readers agree. (I still haven’t made time to read it.)
A small quote from Kling’s article:
Read the whole thing.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 23, 2008 @ 10:43 pm - January 23, 2008
And what is that “Masonomist” reference? Kling gives an engaging explanation here.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 23, 2008 @ 10:54 pm - January 23, 2008
ILC – true enough. The left does have some common threads with fascism. But I espouse the sunny, optimistic conservatism of Ronald Reagan. He never referred to his political enemies as fascists.
Comment by Jimbo — January 24, 2008 @ 11:04 am - January 24, 2008