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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/05/tsunami-tuesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-73686</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The funny thing is that some liberals apparently blame Karl Rove for Hillary’s racist and anti-Muslim attacks on Oprama.&lt;/blockquote&gt; lol. I hadnt heard that, but I shouldnt be surprized. I&#039;d love to hear the logical trainwreck that produced that conclusion.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Fortunately, my polling place is about 400 yards (in a straight line) from my front door on a private driveway.&lt;/blockquote&gt; lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The funny thing is that some liberals apparently blame Karl Rove for Hillary’s racist and anti-Muslim attacks on Oprama.</p></blockquote>
<p> lol. I hadnt heard that, but I shouldnt be surprized. I&#8217;d love to hear the logical trainwreck that produced that conclusion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Fortunately, my polling place is about 400 yards (in a straight line) from my front door on a private driveway.</p></blockquote>
<p> lol</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d think the longer and tighter the race between Obama and Clinton, the better for Republicans. The longer they fight, the more damage they do to eachother, and the longer they fight, the more money they use up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The funny thing is that some liberals apparently blame Karl Rove for Hillary&#039;s racist and anti-Muslim attacks on Oprama.

&lt;blockquote&gt;get a little drunk if necessary and do the same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fortunately, my polling place is about 400 yards (in a straight line) from my front door on a private driveway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d think the longer and tighter the race between Obama and Clinton, the better for Republicans. The longer they fight, the more damage they do to eachother, and the longer they fight, the more money they use up.</p></blockquote>
<p>The funny thing is that some liberals apparently blame Karl Rove for Hillary&#8217;s racist and anti-Muslim attacks on Oprama.</p>
<blockquote><p>get a little drunk if necessary and do the same.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fortunately, my polling place is about 400 yards (in a straight line) from my front door on a private driveway.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDT, AE: I think what I think, but you have some good points too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDT, AE: I think what I think, but you have some good points too.</p>
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		<title>By: Geena the transgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geena the transgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On polls this site is indespensible, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
They average out the polls and even follow the insta trade political markets.

I will guess and say the polling model in California did not account for the minority voters that went for McCain.
Only Zogby had Romney up, check it here
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_republican_primary-258.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On polls this site is indespensible, <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/</a><br />
They average out the polls and even follow the insta trade political markets.</p>
<p>I will guess and say the polling model in California did not account for the minority voters that went for McCain.<br />
Only Zogby had Romney up, check it here<br />
<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_republican_primary-258.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_republican_primary-258.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s just me, but I had been wondering how the pollsters could get it SO WRONG in California.

Zogby had Romney ahead by 7 points, and he loses by 8 - a 15-point miss.  So how did such a reliable pollster get it so wrong?

Here&#039;s a quote from Zogby that tells the tale:

&quot;It appears that we underestimated Hispanic turnout&quot;

Oh, I see. OK, now put on your thinking cap and try to follow my logic:

1.  In California, you are NOT required to show ID to vote. You can also just vote absentee. California is also exploding with illegals.

2.  So imagine you are a Dhimmicrat operative, and you want to make sure John McCain wins CA. You register thousands of illegal Hispanics and have them vote absentee for McCain.

3.  No one checks. No one complains. Done deal.

And as Dan, Bruce, ILC, TGC and a few others know, I am not a tinfoil-hat-wearing-conspiracy-theorist.  But the above scenario DOES make you go &quot;HMMMMM.&quot;

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but I had been wondering how the pollsters could get it SO WRONG in California.</p>
<p>Zogby had Romney ahead by 7 points, and he loses by 8 &#8211; a 15-point miss.  So how did such a reliable pollster get it so wrong?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from Zogby that tells the tale:</p>
<p>&#8220;It appears that we underestimated Hispanic turnout&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I see. OK, now put on your thinking cap and try to follow my logic:</p>
<p>1.  In California, you are NOT required to show ID to vote. You can also just vote absentee. California is also exploding with illegals.</p>
<p>2.  So imagine you are a Dhimmicrat operative, and you want to make sure John McCain wins CA. You register thousands of illegal Hispanics and have them vote absentee for McCain.</p>
<p>3.  No one checks. No one complains. Done deal.</p>
<p>And as Dan, Bruce, ILC, TGC and a few others know, I am not a tinfoil-hat-wearing-conspiracy-theorist.  But the above scenario DOES make you go &#8220;HMMMMM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you ILC, the respect is mutual, But your argument also supposes that McCain will break just about every campaign promise he has made. I am highly wary of McCain, and will be voting for Romney in my primary next week, but even I&#039;m not that cynical.

Rudman may be a McCain supporter, but so is Ted Olson. In fact, he may now be advising McCain, (I dont know)
I know he has endorsed him.

And I have heard the argument that a republican minority would be better poised to fight democrats than a moderate or liberal republican president. I agree with NDT here. Especially considering with the high number of retirements on the Republican side, and the fact that Republicans have more seats up in the senate... that Democrats may very well increase their majorities significantly in both houses... you will have to do a much better job of convincing me that a cowed, weakened, and smaller republican minority puts us in a stronger position to fight.

But i am open to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you ILC, the respect is mutual, But your argument also supposes that McCain will break just about every campaign promise he has made. I am highly wary of McCain, and will be voting for Romney in my primary next week, but even I&#8217;m not that cynical.</p>
<p>Rudman may be a McCain supporter, but so is Ted Olson. In fact, he may now be advising McCain, (I dont know)<br />
I know he has endorsed him.</p>
<p>And I have heard the argument that a republican minority would be better poised to fight democrats than a moderate or liberal republican president. I agree with NDT here. Especially considering with the high number of retirements on the Republican side, and the fact that Republicans have more seats up in the senate&#8230; that Democrats may very well increase their majorities significantly in both houses&#8230; you will have to do a much better job of convincing me that a cowed, weakened, and smaller republican minority puts us in a stronger position to fight.</p>
<p>But i am open to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank you for stating the obvious, please continue to do so regularly.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Meow meow reowr hiss hiss pffft to you too.

Unfortunatley, if it were obvious to the people who are contemplating not voting for McCain, they wouldnt be contemplating such a self-destructive idea in the first place. Do try to think before you snark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thank you for stating the obvious, please continue to do so regularly.</p></blockquote>
<p> Meow meow reowr hiss hiss pffft to you too.</p>
<p>Unfortunatley, if it were obvious to the people who are contemplating not voting for McCain, they wouldnt be contemplating such a self-destructive idea in the first place. Do try to think before you snark.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have several good points, ILC.

But your entire argument hinges on Republicans being unwilling to push back against Republicans -- and, as the immigration brouhaha this past summer showed, Republicans can fight back against things that a Republican President pushes in connivance with liberal Democrats and win in the process.

Meanwhile, AE is absolutely right; HillObama have promised to do every single one of the things he outlined, and they will have a subservient media to cover up for them in the process.

In short, I trust our ability to keep McCain on the straight and narrow more than I do HillObama&#039;s grip on sanity or reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have several good points, ILC.</p>
<p>But your entire argument hinges on Republicans being unwilling to push back against Republicans &#8212; and, as the immigration brouhaha this past summer showed, Republicans can fight back against things that a Republican President pushes in connivance with liberal Democrats and win in the process.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, AE is absolutely right; HillObama have promised to do every single one of the things he outlined, and they will have a subservient media to cover up for them in the process.</p>
<p>In short, I trust our ability to keep McCain on the straight and narrow more than I do HillObama&#8217;s grip on sanity or reality.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And sorry, Rudman is only a current and longtime McCain supporter and associate - not his &quot;chair&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And sorry, Rudman is only a current and longtime McCain supporter and associate &#8211; not his &#8220;chair&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. #9 should read, “they WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to cripple our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. #9 should read, “they WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to cripple our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AE - You know I respect you - but it is amazing how well your list still works, if you substitute &quot;McCain-Huckabee&quot; for &quot;Democrats&quot;.

If McCain-Huckabee wins the Presidency,

1. they WILL [permit the Democrats to] nationalize and destroy the healthcare industry. And can anyone point out an entitlement program that once started was ever ended? There will be no going back.
2. they WILL pull out of Iraq.  (Come on.  We&#039;ve won in Iraq, so any President would in 2009-2010.)
3. they WILL appoint anywhere from 2 to 5 Souters to the SCOTUS and pack the appelate courts to bursting with same.  (Remember, Warren Rudman sold everybody on Souter, and is now McCain&#039;s campaign chair.)
4. they WILL extend full constitutional protection to terrorists.  (Remember, McCain is the guy who thinks we should close Gitmo and has implied Bush is a torturer.)
5. they WILL shrink the military and do estraordinary damage to it and the intelligence services and homeland security.  (To pay for health care.  See point 1.)
6. they WILL pass amnesty
7. they WILL reinstate the fairness doctrine to silence dissent.  (Remember McCain-Feingold.  McCain&#039;s first job in office: Shut down Rush Limbaugh.)
8. they WILL, as their top priority, pass whatever legislation they can think of to ensure they [as RINOs] never ever end up in the minority again (think amnesty, motor voter, fairneess doctrine, nationwide absentee ballots, making it illegal to ask for voter ID, etc, etc)… does another 40 years in the minority sound appealing to anyone?
9. the WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to save our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”
10. they WILL allow the Bush tax-cuts to expire, increase taxes on top of that, and drastically increase regulation.
11. they WILL make energy extraordinarily more expensive both intentionally through additional gas taxes, energy company taxes and regulation, and unwittingly through all the “green” crap they want to pull from “green” law and regulation to international treaties to asinine foreign policy.
12. the economy is in very uncertain territory. It can be turned around, but McCain-Huckabee (both anti-capitalists / &quot;class warfare&quot; guys) WILL devastate it.

McCain won&#039;t prevent any of that.  In fact: a Democratic President might even be better, because all you Republicans would know who to fight then.  You might stop some of the bad stuff - and what you didn&#039;t stop, would rightly be blamed on Democrats.  Not so, under President McCain-Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AE &#8211; You know I respect you &#8211; but it is amazing how well your list still works, if you substitute &#8220;McCain-Huckabee&#8221; for &#8220;Democrats&#8221;.</p>
<p>If McCain-Huckabee wins the Presidency,</p>
<p>1. they WILL [permit the Democrats to] nationalize and destroy the healthcare industry. And can anyone point out an entitlement program that once started was ever ended? There will be no going back.<br />
2. they WILL pull out of Iraq.  (Come on.  We&#8217;ve won in Iraq, so any President would in 2009-2010.)<br />
3. they WILL appoint anywhere from 2 to 5 Souters to the SCOTUS and pack the appelate courts to bursting with same.  (Remember, Warren Rudman sold everybody on Souter, and is now McCain&#8217;s campaign chair.)<br />
4. they WILL extend full constitutional protection to terrorists.  (Remember, McCain is the guy who thinks we should close Gitmo and has implied Bush is a torturer.)<br />
5. they WILL shrink the military and do estraordinary damage to it and the intelligence services and homeland security.  (To pay for health care.  See point 1.)<br />
6. they WILL pass amnesty<br />
7. they WILL reinstate the fairness doctrine to silence dissent.  (Remember McCain-Feingold.  McCain&#8217;s first job in office: Shut down Rush Limbaugh.)<br />
8. they WILL, as their top priority, pass whatever legislation they can think of to ensure they [as RINOs] never ever end up in the minority again (think amnesty, motor voter, fairneess doctrine, nationwide absentee ballots, making it illegal to ask for voter ID, etc, etc)… does another 40 years in the minority sound appealing to anyone?<br />
9. the WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to save our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”<br />
10. they WILL allow the Bush tax-cuts to expire, increase taxes on top of that, and drastically increase regulation.<br />
11. they WILL make energy extraordinarily more expensive both intentionally through additional gas taxes, energy company taxes and regulation, and unwittingly through all the “green” crap they want to pull from “green” law and regulation to international treaties to asinine foreign policy.<br />
12. the economy is in very uncertain territory. It can be turned around, but McCain-Huckabee (both anti-capitalists / &#8220;class warfare&#8221; guys) WILL devastate it.</p>
<p>McCain won&#8217;t prevent any of that.  In fact: a Democratic President might even be better, because all you Republicans would know who to fight then.  You might stop some of the bad stuff &#8211; and what you didn&#8217;t stop, would rightly be blamed on Democrats.  Not so, under President McCain-Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;In 230 years, there has been only one Ronald Reagan. There have been very few “great” presidents. Some conservatives are behaving as though they are entitled to one every 4 years.

Conservatives seem only willing to settle for the whole enchilada. THAT needs to stop. THAT is how we will lose our country.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for stating the obvious, please continue to do so regularly.
What depressed me most last night was how energized the Democrats are and how demoralized the Republicans are. The money, the enthusiasm, the large number of votes, are all on the Democratic side this year.
If everything were equal, I could live with the fluctuations of the parties. But as AE astutely mentioned, the Dems will do everything illegally possible to stay in the majority and destroy this country.

I listened to Obama and cringed. Change, we can do it, a new America. Except it&#039;s all the same package with a new face.
As for McCain, I hope he reaches out the conservatives. I thought his speech last night was a start. But in order to do so he shouldn&#039;t alienate all the middle of the road voters who won&#039;t want Huckabee as VP. There are better choices out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>In 230 years, there has been only one Ronald Reagan. There have been very few “great” presidents. Some conservatives are behaving as though they are entitled to one every 4 years.</p>
<p>Conservatives seem only willing to settle for the whole enchilada. THAT needs to stop. THAT is how we will lose our country.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for stating the obvious, please continue to do so regularly.<br />
What depressed me most last night was how energized the Democrats are and how demoralized the Republicans are. The money, the enthusiasm, the large number of votes, are all on the Democratic side this year.<br />
If everything were equal, I could live with the fluctuations of the parties. But as AE astutely mentioned, the Dems will do everything illegally possible to stay in the majority and destroy this country.</p>
<p>I listened to Obama and cringed. Change, we can do it, a new America. Except it&#8217;s all the same package with a new face.<br />
As for McCain, I hope he reaches out the conservatives. I thought his speech last night was a start. But in order to do so he shouldn&#8217;t alienate all the middle of the road voters who won&#8217;t want Huckabee as VP. There are better choices out there!</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. #9 should read, &quot;they WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to &lt;i&gt;cripple&lt;/i&gt; our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. #9 should read, &#8220;they WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to <i>cripple</i> our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, “We have to slow down the economy”</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my observations for what theyre worth. First of all, it must be said, since both Hillary and Obama are equally and utterly unqualified, half the Democrat party is obviously racist and the other half blatant misogynists.

#3. I&#039;d think the longer and tighter the race between Obama and Clinton, the better for Republicans. The longer they fight, the more damage they do to eachother, and the longer they fight, the more money they use up.

#8. Nanny Huckabee is a sleazy, slimy, corrupt, mean-spirited, big-government, rat-bastard, staying in the race only as a spoiler to Romney. I don&#039;t trust the Huckster as far as I can spit (neither do a lot of conservatives who have known and worked with him), and I have never experienced a ticket that would pain me more to vote for....

&lt;i&gt;However&lt;/i&gt; I will vote for the Republican ticket, even if it is McCain and Huckasleeze, and I strongly suggest everyone hold their noses, get a little drunk if necessary and do the same. Elections are not popularity contests we hold every four years -- they have very real, very nation-changing consequences.

If Democrats win the presidency, and hold onto or increase their majorities in congress (as seems likely):

1. they WILL nationalize and destroy the healthcare industry. And can anyone point out an entitlement program that once started was ever ended? There will be no going back.
2. they WILL pull out of Iraq.
3. they WILL appoint anywhere from 2 to 5 Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to the SCOTUS and pack the appelate courts to bursting with same.
4. they WILL extend full constitutional protection to terrorists.
5. they WILL shrink the military and do estraordinary damage to it and the intelligence services and homeland security.
6. they WILL pass amnesty
7. they WILL reinstate the fairness doctrine to silence dissent.
8. they WILL, as their top priority, pass whatever legislation they can think of to ensure they never ever end up in the minority again (think amnesty, motor voter, fairneess doctrine, nationwide absentee ballots, making it illegal to ask for voter ID, etc, etc)... does another 40 years in the minority sound appealing to anyone?
9. the WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to save our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, &quot;We have to slow down the economy&quot;
10. they WILL allow the Bush tax-cuts to expire, increase taxes on top of that, and drastically increase regulation.
11. they WILL make energy extraordinarily more expensive both intentionally through additional gas taxes, energy company taxes and regulation, and unwittingly through all the &quot;green&quot; crap they want to pull from &quot;green&quot; law and regulation to international treaties to asinine foreign policy.
12. the economy is in very uncertain territory. It can be turned around, but Democrats WILL devastate it.

I understand the temptations to gather up all your marbles and go home when you don&#039;t get most of what you want. John McCain is a media suck-up and compromises conservative beliefs far too much. I can think of very few Republicans I would support less than Nanny Huckabee.

But if the only choice I am given is to see all 12 of those things come to fruition, or only half of them, then I know what I must do. Vote and even campaign for the lesser of two evils.

The silver lining is John McCain would prevent SOME of that, and quite frankly, it is possible, (I dont know how likely) that McCain may perform very differently as president than he has as Senator. They are afterall, two very different jobs.

In 230 years, there has been only one Ronald Reagan. There have been very few &quot;great&quot; presidents. Some conservatives are behaving as though they are entitled to one every 4 years.

Democrats have been extremely successful in pushing this nation further and further into socialism because when they cannot make large gains, they are content to make incremental gains. Conservatives seem only willing to settle for the whole enchilada. THAT needs to stop. THAT is how we will lose our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my observations for what theyre worth. First of all, it must be said, since both Hillary and Obama are equally and utterly unqualified, half the Democrat party is obviously racist and the other half blatant misogynists.</p>
<p>#3. I&#8217;d think the longer and tighter the race between Obama and Clinton, the better for Republicans. The longer they fight, the more damage they do to eachother, and the longer they fight, the more money they use up.</p>
<p>#8. Nanny Huckabee is a sleazy, slimy, corrupt, mean-spirited, big-government, rat-bastard, staying in the race only as a spoiler to Romney. I don&#8217;t trust the Huckster as far as I can spit (neither do a lot of conservatives who have known and worked with him), and I have never experienced a ticket that would pain me more to vote for&#8230;.</p>
<p><i>However</i> I will vote for the Republican ticket, even if it is McCain and Huckasleeze, and I strongly suggest everyone hold their noses, get a little drunk if necessary and do the same. Elections are not popularity contests we hold every four years &#8212; they have very real, very nation-changing consequences.</p>
<p>If Democrats win the presidency, and hold onto or increase their majorities in congress (as seems likely):</p>
<p>1. they WILL nationalize and destroy the healthcare industry. And can anyone point out an entitlement program that once started was ever ended? There will be no going back.<br />
2. they WILL pull out of Iraq.<br />
3. they WILL appoint anywhere from 2 to 5 Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to the SCOTUS and pack the appelate courts to bursting with same.<br />
4. they WILL extend full constitutional protection to terrorists.<br />
5. they WILL shrink the military and do estraordinary damage to it and the intelligence services and homeland security.<br />
6. they WILL pass amnesty<br />
7. they WILL reinstate the fairness doctrine to silence dissent.<br />
8. they WILL, as their top priority, pass whatever legislation they can think of to ensure they never ever end up in the minority again (think amnesty, motor voter, fairneess doctrine, nationwide absentee ballots, making it illegal to ask for voter ID, etc, etc)&#8230; does another 40 years in the minority sound appealing to anyone?<br />
9. the WILL commit America to Kyoto and any other number of international treaties designed by our competitors to save our economy, and it will have just such an effect. As Bill Clinton said, &#8220;We have to slow down the economy&#8221;<br />
10. they WILL allow the Bush tax-cuts to expire, increase taxes on top of that, and drastically increase regulation.<br />
11. they WILL make energy extraordinarily more expensive both intentionally through additional gas taxes, energy company taxes and regulation, and unwittingly through all the &#8220;green&#8221; crap they want to pull from &#8220;green&#8221; law and regulation to international treaties to asinine foreign policy.<br />
12. the economy is in very uncertain territory. It can be turned around, but Democrats WILL devastate it.</p>
<p>I understand the temptations to gather up all your marbles and go home when you don&#8217;t get most of what you want. John McCain is a media suck-up and compromises conservative beliefs far too much. I can think of very few Republicans I would support less than Nanny Huckabee.</p>
<p>But if the only choice I am given is to see all 12 of those things come to fruition, or only half of them, then I know what I must do. Vote and even campaign for the lesser of two evils.</p>
<p>The silver lining is John McCain would prevent SOME of that, and quite frankly, it is possible, (I dont know how likely) that McCain may perform very differently as president than he has as Senator. They are afterall, two very different jobs.</p>
<p>In 230 years, there has been only one Ronald Reagan. There have been very few &#8220;great&#8221; presidents. Some conservatives are behaving as though they are entitled to one every 4 years.</p>
<p>Democrats have been extremely successful in pushing this nation further and further into socialism because when they cannot make large gains, they are content to make incremental gains. Conservatives seem only willing to settle for the whole enchilada. THAT needs to stop. THAT is how we will lose our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Geena the transgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geena the transgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird stat of the night:

Romney&#039;s highest percentage in a state he lost - Arizona
McCain&#039;s highest percentage in a state he lost - Massachusetts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird stat of the night:</p>
<p>Romney&#8217;s highest percentage in a state he lost &#8211; Arizona<br />
McCain&#8217;s highest percentage in a state he lost &#8211; Massachusetts</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;John (#8) — I’m with you on Huck as VP, too. McCain &amp; Huck would be a complete joke.&lt;/i&gt;

(shrug) Might be a joke, but it would shotgun-wedding a whole lot of disparate parts.

I wouldn&#039;t bet on it, though. There are better candidates for Veep, i.e. Rudy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John (#8) — I’m with you on Huck as VP, too. McCain &amp; Huck would be a complete joke.</i></p>
<p>(shrug) Might be a joke, but it would shotgun-wedding a whole lot of disparate parts.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it, though. There are better candidates for Veep, i.e. Rudy.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem suspiciously like McCain&#039;s already picked the Huckster.

#12
Haven&#039;t tried the cold stuff as I haven&#039;t had a cold in I don&#039;t know how many years. However, the cough spray is awesome. I wake up coughing now and then with allergies and the Zicam cough spray works before I put the bottle down.

No, it doesn&#039;t taste much better than average cough medicines, but I can suffer through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem suspiciously like McCain&#8217;s already picked the Huckster.</p>
<p>#12<br />
Haven&#8217;t tried the cold stuff as I haven&#8217;t had a cold in I don&#8217;t know how many years. However, the cough spray is awesome. I wake up coughing now and then with allergies and the Zicam cough spray works before I put the bottle down.</p>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t taste much better than average cough medicines, but I can suffer through.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never have believed that the Texas Primary may mean something this year. I can hardly wait.</description>
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		<title>By: John in IL</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in IL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GP, Rush is right.  Zicam works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GP, Rush is right.  Zicam works.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John (#8) -- I&#039;m with you on Huck as VP, too.   McCain &amp; Huck would be a complete joke.

As for the podcast.... I&#039;ve had a nasty cold... and I also wanted to enjoy sitting in front of the TV and watching instead of talking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John (#8) &#8212; I&#8217;m with you on Huck as VP, too.   McCain &#038; Huck would be a complete joke.</p>
<p>As for the podcast&#8230;. I&#8217;ve had a nasty cold&#8230; and I also wanted to enjoy sitting in front of the TV and watching instead of talking!</p>
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