Comments on: Dick Cheney & Gays in the Military http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:38:06 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Box Turtle Bulletin » A Noble Common Trait http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-135909 Box Turtle Bulletin » A Noble Common Trait Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:13:58 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-135909 [...] Dick Cheney, 46th Vice President; Secretary of Defense, Bush Sr. Administration [...] [...] Dick Cheney, 46th Vice President; Secretary of Defense, Bush Sr. Administration [...]

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-84488 John Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:41:45 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-84488 Don't be deliberately obtuse.  There is an enormous difference between being out to one's family, firends, and co-workers, and being out internationally as the daughter of the Vice President of the United States.  The fact of the matter is that you have no idea what was going on in Cheney family, but just assume the worst because Mary's parents didn't attend some press conference wearing PFLAG t-shirts.  Those are Mary's parents, not yours, and from all accounts they love her very much and have stood by her both publicly and in private.  Don’t be deliberately obtuse.  There is an enormous difference between being out to one’s family, firends, and co-workers, and being out internationally as the daughter of the Vice President of the United States.  The fact of the matter is that you have no idea what was going on in Cheney family, but just assume the worst because Mary’s parents didn’t attend some press conference wearing PFLAG t-shirts.  Those are Mary’s parents, not yours, and from all accounts they love her very much and have stood by her both publicly and in private. 

]]> By: Houndentenor http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-83754 Houndentenor Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:55:35 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-83754 #9.  Mary had been out for years.  She had even worked for Coors as a liaison to the gay community to combat the growing movement to boycott Coors from gay bars because of the Coors families large finacial donations to anti-gay groups.  I'm tired of people acting like someone outed Mary Cheney.  She had not only been gay, she had profited from being gay.  Protecting what?  She would only need protecting if there was something wrong with being gay.  there's not.  It is simply a fact.  #9.  Mary had been out for years.  She had even worked for Coors as a liaison to the gay community to combat the growing movement to boycott Coors from gay bars because of the Coors families large finacial donations to anti-gay groups.  I’m tired of people acting like someone outed Mary Cheney.  She had not only been gay, she had profited from being gay.  Protecting what?  She would only need protecting if there was something wrong with being gay.  there’s not.  It is simply a fact. 

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-82815 John Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:47:28 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-82815 >>BTW, I must have missed the press confrence in the last 8 years when Cheney called for ending DADT.<< Do you really think that is appropriate for a <em>Vice</em> President to do?  We have no idea what Cheney has said or done behind-the-scenes but contrary to leftist myth, he isn't the man in charge.  If you read my post I was clear that I do not consider the man to be a "champion" of gay rights, but neither do I consider him hostile to them either.  From what we do know, he demonstrated this as SecDef and as VP at least when it came to his daughter.  There's enough to criticize the man for without adding imaginary ones.  >>Both Dem candidates are against the policy.  Both Republican candidates are for it.  The contrast is very clear.<< Yes and no.  Bill Clinton first raised this in 1992 and look how that turned out.  It was his party's platform which all the Dem bigwigs signed off on when they supported the man, yet somehow this was 'forgotten' when the matter was raised after Inauguration.  I'll grant you that the Huckster would never support repealing DADT, although he's slippier than an eel so who knows what he'd do if he thought he'd benefit politically from it?  As for McCain, not my candidate of choice for certain but there's a slight possibility if handled correctly.  All in all, I would agree with you concerning the GOP leadership, however, which seems to be too beholden to the extreme Right.  Yet while I would be glad to see "President Obama" successfully repeal DADT, assuming he didn't wimp out like Bill Clinton did, I do not believe he is the right man for the job at this time.  Great orator, yet hardly any record to judge his leadership during a crisis.>>And yes, it does seem like more Republican politicians have a gay relative (Gingrich’s sister, Mosbacher’s daughter, Cheney’s daughter) than Democrats (Gephardt is the only one I can think of).  I wonder if that’s reality or just perception.<<I have no clue.  Normally I don't keep track of this on either side. >>BTW, you can’t claim the Cheneys are proud of their lesbian daughter when in 2000 Lynn denied that Mary was gay on the Today show.<< Ever think that she protecting Mary's privacy, just like a mother who loves her daughter?  Perhaps Mary wasn't ready for the insane publicity this would cause.  You are blinded by partisanship and cannot see the Cheneys for the family that they are.  Put aside politics and look at them as human beings who love each other.  If I can do this with the Gephardts, why can't you with the Cheneys? >>BTW, I must have missed the press confrence in the last 8 years when Cheney called for ending DADT.<<

Do you really think that is appropriate for a Vice President to do?  We have no idea what Cheney has said or done behind-the-scenes but contrary to leftist myth, he isn’t the man in charge.  If you read my post I was clear that I do not consider the man to be a "champion" of gay rights, but neither do I consider him hostile to them either.  From what we do know, he demonstrated this as SecDef and as VP at least when it came to his daughter.  There’s enough to criticize the man for without adding imaginary ones. 

>>Both Dem candidates are against the policy.  Both Republican candidates are for it.  The contrast is very clear.<<

Yes and no.  Bill Clinton first raised this in 1992 and look how that turned out.  It was his party’s platform which all the Dem bigwigs signed off on when they supported the man, yet somehow this was ‘forgotten’ when the matter was raised after Inauguration.  I’ll grant you that the Huckster would never support repealing DADT, although he’s slippier than an eel so who knows what he’d do if he thought he’d benefit politically from it?  As for McCain, not my candidate of choice for certain but there’s a slight possibility if handled correctly.  All in all, I would agree with you concerning the GOP leadership, however, which seems to be too beholden to the extreme Right.  Yet while I would be glad to see "President Obama" successfully repeal DADT, assuming he didn’t wimp out like Bill Clinton did, I do not believe he is the right man for the job at this time.  Great orator, yet hardly any record to judge his leadership during a crisis.>>And yes, it does seem like more Republican politicians have a gay relative (Gingrich’s sister, Mosbacher’s daughter, Cheney’s daughter) than Democrats (Gephardt is the only one I can think of).  I wonder if that’s reality or just perception.<<I have no clue.  Normally I don’t keep track of this on either side.

>>BTW, you can’t claim the Cheneys are proud of their lesbian daughter when in 2000 Lynn denied that Mary was gay on the Today show.<<

Ever think that she protecting Mary’s privacy, just like a mother who loves her daughter?  Perhaps Mary wasn’t ready for the insane publicity this would cause.  You are blinded by partisanship and cannot see the Cheneys for the family that they are.  Put aside politics and look at them as human beings who love each other.  If I can do this with the Gephardts, why can’t you with the Cheneys?

]]> By: Kurt P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-82207 Kurt P Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:48:32 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-82207 I was in the Navy  (as a SeaBee) from '80 - '89 and never heard of any anti-gay witch hunts in my 750+ person command. We knew several who were suspect, but they rotated out in normal fasion without the lawyers gettng involved. I was in the Navy  (as a SeaBee) from ’80 – ’89 and never heard of any anti-gay witch hunts in my 750+ person command.
We knew several who were suspect, but they rotated out in normal fasion without the lawyers gettng involved.

]]> By: Houndentenor http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-81839 Houndentenor Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:41:18 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-81839 #4 There's no reason to be insulting.  I haven't called you names and you insist on doing so to me.  It's cheap but typical. BTW, I must have missed the press confrence in the last 8 years when Cheney called for ending DADT.  Both Dem candidates are against the policy.  Both Republican candidates are for it.  The contrast is very clear. And yes, it does seem like more Republican politicians have a gay relative (Gingrich's sister, Mosbacher's daughter, Cheney's daughter) than Democrats (Gephardt is the only one I can think of).  I wonder if that's reality or just perception. BTW, you can't claim the Cheneys are proud of their lesbian daughter when in 2000 Lynn denied that Mary was gay on the Today show.    #4 There’s no reason to be insulting.  I haven’t called you names and you insist on doing so to me.  It’s cheap but typical.

BTW, I must have missed the press confrence in the last 8 years when Cheney called for ending DADT.  Both Dem candidates are against the policy.  Both Republican candidates are for it.  The contrast is very clear.

And yes, it does seem like more Republican politicians have a gay relative (Gingrich’s sister, Mosbacher’s daughter, Cheney’s daughter) than Democrats (Gephardt is the only one I can think of).  I wonder if that’s reality or just perception.

BTW, you can’t claim the Cheneys are proud of their lesbian daughter when in 2000 Lynn denied that Mary was gay on the Today show.   

]]> By: David http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-81817 David Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:26 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-81817 #4  And Peter Hughes contiunues to be a Friday turd at a Saturday market...... #4  And Peter Hughes contiunues to be a Friday turd at a Saturday market……

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-81533 John Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:56:29 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-81533 I don't know if their daughter has kids, but I can name one:  Dick Gephardt.  I don't think we need to mix political differences in with the realities of the many parents on the left and the right standing by their kids who are gay.  There are others, like Phyliss Schlafly, who do not. I don’t know if their daughter has kids, but I can name one:  Dick Gephardt.  I don’t think we need to mix political differences in with the realities of the many parents on the left and the right standing by their kids who are gay.  There are others, like Phyliss Schlafly, who do not.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-80889 Peter Hughes Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:56:26 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-80889 #3 - Schweinhundtenor, how much more wrong can you be? The "old guard who has gay relatives" could very well sum up both Mr. & Mrs. Cheney - who, BTW, were photographed very proudly with their grandchildren from daughter Mary and her partner. Please name one Dhimmicrat who would do the same.  I bet you can't. Regards,Peter H. #3 – Schweinhundtenor, how much more wrong can you be?

The "old guard who has gay relatives" could very well sum up both Mr. & Mrs. Cheney – who, BTW, were photographed very proudly with their grandchildren from daughter Mary and her partner.
Please name one Dhimmicrat who would do the same.  I bet you can’t.
Regards,Peter H.

]]> By: Houndentenor http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-80750 Houndentenor Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:01:14 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-80750 I wonder if this isn't just a matter of waiting until the last of the old guard retires and is replaced with people who grew up knowing gay people, having out gay relatives and even serving with gay and lesbian soldiers who everyone knew about even if they all pretended they didn't. I wonder what the debate will look like if Clinton or Obama is elected and keeps the campaign policy of repealing DADT? I wonder if this isn’t just a matter of waiting until the last of the old guard retires and is replaced with people who grew up knowing gay people, having out gay relatives and even serving with gay and lesbian soldiers who everyone knew about even if they all pretended they didn’t.

I wonder what the debate will look like if Clinton or Obama is elected and keeps the campaign policy of repealing DADT?

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-80515 ILoveCapitalism Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:02:48 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-80515 "It is notable that [Cheney] strongly defended his daughter when her sexual orientation became a political issue many years after he headed DoD and <em>Vice President</em> Cheney would publicly express support for same-sex unions... during his tenure as SecDef [he anticipated all that with more good stuff]... " Whoa there, John.  We're not ever supposed to realize, understand or remember that Cheney is pro-gay and very likely a good person.  You might make some readers think ;-) "It is notable that [Cheney] strongly defended his daughter when her sexual orientation became a political issue many years after he headed DoD and Vice President Cheney would publicly express support for same-sex unions… during his tenure as SecDef [he anticipated all that with more good stuff]… "

Whoa there, John.  We’re not ever supposed to realize, understand or remember that Cheney is pro-gay and very likely a good person.  You might make some readers think ;-)

]]> By: Michigan-Matt http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-80431 Michigan-Matt Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:34:01 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/19/dick-cheney-gays-in-the-military/#comment-80431 John, if you get the opportunity, you should read the Stephen Hayes (Weekly Standard) book on Dick Cheney --he expands on all this and more in excellent detail. John, if you get the opportunity, you should read the Stephen Hayes (Weekly Standard) book on Dick Cheney –he expands on all this and more in excellent detail.

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