Comments on: Encouraging Poll On Gay Rights http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:49:12 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Sean A http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-90435 Sean A Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:56:43 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-90435 #7: "...but gay marriage has also faded out of the spotlight. I would assume people aren’t feeling threatened by it thus less reactionary. I guess thats the perk of not doing it by court cases and leaving it to legislatures….even if it is much slower."   Actually, the "perk" of leaving the gay marriage issue to the legislatures and "not doing it by court cases" is that it gives the citizenry at least SOME involvement in the democratic process by which our laws are supposed to be enacted.    I would definitely consider it a "perk" to know that the laws of my state were passed by a MAJORITY of representatives, elected by a MAJORITY of the people whose lives are ultimately governed by them.  "Laws" being imposed on millions of citizens by the judicial fiats of a handful of aging hippies who think "unconstitutional" means "whatever liberals don't like or makes homosexuals cry?"  Not a perk. #7: "…but gay marriage has also faded out of the spotlight. I would assume people aren’t feeling threatened by it thus less reactionary. I guess thats the perk of not doing it by court cases and leaving it to legislatures….even if it is much slower."   Actually, the "perk" of leaving the gay marriage issue to the legislatures and "not doing it by court cases" is that it gives the citizenry at least SOME involvement in the democratic process by which our laws are supposed to be enacted.    I would definitely consider it a "perk" to know that the laws of my state were passed by a MAJORITY of representatives, elected by a MAJORITY of the people whose lives are ultimately governed by them.  "Laws" being imposed on millions of citizens by the judicial fiats of a handful of aging hippies who think "unconstitutional" means "whatever liberals don’t like or makes homosexuals cry?"  Not a perk.

]]> By: Darkeyedresolve http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89705 Darkeyedresolve Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:54:05 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89705 You really cannot use that question to look at support for EDNA, since it is not asking about ENDA or support for a law barring such discrimination. America is about equality and freedom, its the values that we all have share and what makes us great. I think the marriage trends are really impressive, since with the margain of error it is almost split even on both issues...which is a lot better than 2004 but gay marriage has also faded out of the spotlight. I would assume people aren't feeling threatened by it thus less reactionary. I guess thats the perk of not doing it by court cases and leaving it to legislatures....even if it is much slower. You really cannot use that question to look at support for EDNA, since it is not asking about ENDA or support for a law barring such discrimination. America is about equality and freedom, its the values that we all have share and what makes us great.

I think the marriage trends are really impressive, since with the margain of error it is almost split even on both issues…which is a lot better than 2004 but gay marriage has also faded out of the spotlight. I would assume people aren’t feeling threatened by it thus less reactionary.

I guess thats the perk of not doing it by court cases and leaving it to legislatures….even if it is much slower.

]]> By: North Dallas Thirty http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89373 North Dallas Thirty Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:19:02 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89373 <em>Okay so I have to ask.  If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?</em> Well, that wasn't really the question asked. Most Americans know that so-called "nondiscrimination" laws have been twisted to mean that you MUST hire and CANNOT discipline or fire minority individuals. They are aware of cases like Bonnie Bleskachek, in which a Democrat-appointed lesbian exploited Minnesota's nondiscrimination law to discriminate against males and women who refused her sexual advances, to promote and protect her sexual partners, and who allowed her sexual partners to harass others, all while maintaining her position and then couldn't be fired when she was caught. If you ask a question about "opportunities", most Americans won't disagree with that. But if you try to put in a law that says gays and lesbians deserve special protections in the workplace, which is what ENDA laws are all about, they won't. No one currently has protections based on their sexual orientation, straight OR gay, and most Americans think that is perfectly fair. And as far as the "should be illegal" part, that's probably due to the fact that gay sex is exemplified in most peoples' minds by what goes on at Pride parades and the Folsom Street Fair. Okay so I have to ask.  If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?

Well, that wasn’t really the question asked.

Most Americans know that so-called "nondiscrimination" laws have been twisted to mean that you MUST hire and CANNOT discipline or fire minority individuals. They are aware of cases like Bonnie Bleskachek, in which a Democrat-appointed lesbian exploited Minnesota’s nondiscrimination law to discriminate against males and women who refused her sexual advances, to promote and protect her sexual partners, and who allowed her sexual partners to harass others, all while maintaining her position and then couldn’t be fired when she was caught.

If you ask a question about "opportunities", most Americans won’t disagree with that. But if you try to put in a law that says gays and lesbians deserve special protections in the workplace, which is what ENDA laws are all about, they won’t. No one currently has protections based on their sexual orientation, straight OR gay, and most Americans think that is perfectly fair.

And as far as the "should be illegal" part, that’s probably due to the fact that gay sex is exemplified in most peoples’ minds by what goes on at Pride parades and the Folsom Street Fair.

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89226 ILoveCapitalism Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:30:28 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89226 OK, what I came to say.  It's interesting that when it's a yes/no choice about gays serving in the military, 22% say no... while when it's a 3-part choice, yes/DADT/no, only 15% say no.  I'm not drawing any big conclusion, it's just interesting. It's also interesting that 37% think homosexual relations as such should be illegal - while 89% think gays should have equal job opportunities.  Don't people realize that making gay relations illegal inherently penalizes / limits our job opportunities, by providing a legal justification for discrimination? That 37% is also disturbing.  Something I think we should work on more. OK, what I came to say.  It’s interesting that when it’s a yes/no choice about gays serving in the military, 22% say no… while when it’s a 3-part choice, yes/DADT/no, only 15% say no.  I’m not drawing any big conclusion, it’s just interesting.

It’s also interesting that 37% think homosexual relations as such should be illegal – while 89% think gays should have equal job opportunities.  Don’t people realize that making gay relations illegal inherently penalizes / limits our job opportunities, by providing a legal justification for discrimination?

That 37% is also disturbing.  Something I think we should work on more.

]]> By: ILoveCapitalism http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89219 ILoveCapitalism Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:24:24 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89219 <blockquote>If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?</blockquote>Could be several things. My personal favorite: Because ENDA-type laws are fundamentally bad laws, that should not have anybody added to them, ever!!! But, a more likely favorite for most people: Because every time they try to add "US", i.e., *GAYS*, to ENDA, deluded Left gay activists try to make it about something altogether different: Trans-genderism.  Something that does not have anything like 89% support.

If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?

Could be several things. My personal favorite: Because ENDA-type laws are fundamentally bad laws, that should not have anybody added to them, ever!!!

But, a more likely favorite for most people: Because every time they try to add "US", i.e., *GAYS*, to ENDA, deluded Left gay activists try to make it about something altogether different: Trans-genderism.  Something that does not have anything like 89% support.

]]> By: Houndentenor http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89194 Houndentenor Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:00:59 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89194 Okay so I have to ask.  If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?  It's hard to get 89% of Americans to agree on anything at all so with numbers like this why is Congress so afraid to pass a law that almost all Americans favor?  (And I'm not being partisan here.  Democrats act like they are treading on thin ice on this one too.)  Okay so I have to ask.  If 89% of Americans favor workplace nondiscrimination for gays, why is it so hard to get us added to ENDA?  It’s hard to get 89% of Americans to agree on anything at all so with numbers like this why is Congress so afraid to pass a law that almost all Americans favor?  (And I’m not being partisan here.  Democrats act like they are treading on thin ice on this one too.) 

]]> By: John http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89189 John Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:50:23 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89189 Ha!  Good point...  ;) Ha!  Good point…  ;)

]]> By: Jimbo http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-89145 Jimbo Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:07:22 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/02/27/encouraging-poll-on-gay-rights/#comment-89145 What I find most interesting is that this progress is taking place during the oh-so-oppressive Bush regime (sarcasm). It bodes well for the movement that progress is being made regardless of which party has the White House. The more people come out, the more tolerant society becomes. What I find most interesting is that this progress is taking place during the oh-so-oppressive Bush regime (sarcasm). It bodes well for the movement that progress is being made regardless of which party has the White House. The more people come out, the more tolerant society becomes.

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