You usually do TGC, and you don’t need my permission.  You also usually choose to interpret what I say just warped enough that you can "go on" with examples that don’t at all make sense.  I didn’t say there was NO black, NO white, NO good or NO evi.  If you look at everything in terms of the extreme only good or evil, then where does that leave gay folk.  Many say we are all evil, is that true, are you evil?  You must be according to those people.  If you say you aren’t evil, then you must be good.  Are you completely good, have you never done anything "bad".  Where is the dividing line and who gets to define it?  What about killing, can you define that in good/evil terms.  I don’t think even you can do that.    It’s good (or at least understandable ) when we killed Saddam’s soldiers, but bad when they killed ours.  If someone breaks into your house and you kill them you wouldn’t call it evil but if they kill a member of your household then you for sure would call it evil.
I could go on and on if you like

Hitler wasn’t so bad. He did, after all, invent the Volkswagon. Dan has one, so he couldn’t have been all bad.

I don’t know what the hubub is about the Darfur Genocide. I mean, we can’t call anything evil, so it must not be all that bad, right?

Apparently Saddam Hussein wasn’t all bad. Despite the fact that half a million children starved to death, Morbidly Obese Moore found a few flying kites along chocolate streams flowing through the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

Bush and Cheney obviously aren’t as evil as you liberals say, because we can’t say that people are evil.

How about China and Tibet? Must not be that big of a deal.

How about Castro, Guevara and company? Sure they slaughtered lots of people including gays, but look at the wonderful island they have now as opposed to 50 odd years ago.

Sure "Uncle Joe" Stalin slaughtered millions, but look at the great country he helped build. Not to mention he had plenty of top notch people working for FDR and Truman.

Right, Dave?

I could go on and on if you like.

And it’s no surprise that Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Congregation (consisting entirely of members of Phelps’ own family) didn’t make Dave’s list of "dangerous" Christian cults because he’s a lifelong, committed Democrat, as reported by the liberal rag, Mother Jones:

"Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state’s Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home.

Phelps has frequently run for public office — for governor in 1990, ‘94, and ‘98, for the Senate in ‘92 — always losing the primaries by a landslide. Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations. They protested at the second one. But Phelps’ campaign against homosexuality actually began in earnest just before the 1992 campaign, when politicians, especially Democrats, began to openly court gay voters."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1999/03/lauerman.html

The fact that liberals like Dave just can’t accept is that there will always be people like Phelps in the world no matter how tolerant, accepting and free a society like the U.S. is.  And he somehow thinks that  if we all support liberal candidates and policies, people like Phelps will somehow cease to exist.  It’s not enough for him that conservatives and liberals alike have universally condemned Phelps and effectively marginalized him and his lunatic family to the fringes of society.   Phelps and his ilk do not "influence millions of people"–they’re banished and ridiculed by everyone, starting with conservative radio hosts like Michael Medved and Mike Gallagher (who actually gave Phelps an hour of radio time to make a fool of himself and his organization, in exchange for his agreement to cancel a planned protest at the funerals of the five Amish girls who were murdered two years ago).  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217760,00.html

I fail to see how by becoming a brain-dead Democrat, I would help rid the world of people like Phelps, especially since Phelps actually BEING a Democrat did nothing to stop him.

That was referring to the Islamists, right?  Because no intellectually honest person could think it applies to more than a tiny minority of U.S. Christian groups today.  We know it applies to the Phelps fringe – but even they don’t seem to be killing gays.  Unlike the Islamists, who do.

If it’s got nothing to do with liberal propaganda, surely you could manage to name exactly which of Reagan’s actions you so "despise."

Dave, obviously what you meant to say was, "Sean, I did not compare Sharia and radical Islam to Christianity YET," because that’s precisely what you proceeded to do in your comment.

Again, you talk of "danger" and allege that "they want us gone, converted or at the very least so far back in the closet that they never have to know we exist," but the only groups that are proudly exterminating gays are the sovereign nations of Islam.  Your rank speculations about these fundamentalist groups being an actual threat to gays is based on nothing more than the fact that they happen to practice a religion that condemns homosexuality.  In this country they have every right to believe whatever they want and IF, one of these groups actually decided to physically target gays (they have not), our nation (liberals and conservatives) would not tolerate it.  In this country, violence against gays is against the law and in many states the penalties are more severe than the penalties for the same crimes against heterosexuals.  So, your baseless, ominous warnings about some growing, real threat to gays is just plain silly and is nothing more than your desperate need to be validated and celebrated wrapped up in the usual victimization rhetoric.   Why do you so desperately need approval from these people who supposedly hate you?  How does it affect your life in any way?

And I would bet not one of these vile bureacrats rides transit. They just want to force US to.

I am actually thinking of writing a ballot initiative that would revoke all parking privileges in the entire Civic Center area — which means if they want Doris Day parking, they have to pay the same rates that everyone else does.

Since the money from the meters would go directly into the public transit system, what exactly are they going to argue?

Incredibly ignorant association,

One of your candidates believes in taking money and profits away from people and companies "for the common good".  Where’s the ignorant association?

TGC, having the balls to answer you isn’t the issue.

Then what is the issue since you refuse to do so?

I have seen enough of your posts to know that 1) there’s nothing I can ever say on that topic that you would agree with

Well if liberalism is so damn great and wonderful and conservatism is so wrong, I would think that you would jump at the chance to tell us. Libs tend, more often than not, to hide what they are, what they believe in rather than telling people up front. One would have to wonder how they can be such "proud" liberals when they don’t dare tell anybody what they truly believe in.

2) you’re really not interested because you already know that I’m wrong

How the hell should I know? You won’t bother telling me anything.

and 3) I don’t want to hurt you.

As I’ve said many times before, I don’t particularly care what you or others think of me and you can’t hurt me.

Miners are union (democrat contributors) aren’t they?

I won’t bother answering any more claims of things I said that I never did.  Creative reading is one of the major issues I’ve always had with conservatives – read the words not what your mind (falsely) says, all liberals believe.

"Well what has liberalism (i.e. Socialism/Communism) "

Incredibly ignorant association, unless it is as acceptable to say that Christianity = Fred Phelps or Republican = white power militia.  Rational people don’t think that way, and I thought that all your conservative beliefs were based on logic and fact?!  TGC, having the balls to answer you isn’t the issue.  I have seen enough of your posts to know that 1) there’s nothing I can ever say on that topic that you would agree with 2) you’re really not interested because you already know that I’m wrong and 3) I don’t want to hurt you.

Believe me I wasn’t calling Reagan names "stomped on" is simply how I see his actions in this case.  Honestly as much as you admire his actions, I despise them.  It’s got nothing to do with left wing "propaganda" or what the Dems think or anything else because I am not led by anyone (as much as folks on here like to claim the opposite).  I hated what I saw in him before he was elected and there was little he did in office to change that.  Whatever, it is what it is and I’m not challenging anyone’s opinion, as adults we make our own judgments – yes, even liberals do.

No doubt, the refrain will be that I avoided answering specific requests or accusations.  Could be, or I just forgot what they were.

I ask this, because pumping oil from a small footprint is going to destroy the planet before the next commercial break, but mining for granite countertops is …..  ? And by the by, why is coal and coal gasification given such a huge pass by the anti-oil harpies? You really want to teach the US  a hard lesson? Ban coal and all of its by-products. 

For now, please explain what the hell liberalism has done to benefit mankind.

Quiet please, Sean. Let him answer. That is if he has the balls to do so. I think we’d all like to know.

(you may recall that smaller, more fuel-efficient foreign cars were taking over a market of eager consumers who had spent the last few years waiting in lines at the gas pump–thanks Jimmy!)

Dude! I was 7-14 years old.

And so it comes back to liberals are brainless scum responsible for all the woes of the world

Well what has liberalism (i.e. Socialism/Communism) done to improve the world?

I eagerly await your answer.