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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; May polls &#38; Presidential Elections</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/02/in-presidential-contests-spring-summer-polls-tend-to-favor-party-out-of-power/#comment-177245</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; May polls &#38; Presidential Elections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I learned in researching a previous post on polling, polls in May and June tend to show the candidate of the party out of power running far ahead of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, heliotrope. Beautifully put. 

If &#34;Trace Phelps&#34; has the money to be writing &#34;six-figure&#34; checks to charities, he should be writing those to people who need it regardless of the election. 

It becomes even more hypocritical when one considers that all he ever whines about is how badly &#34;the poor&#34; have it and how they need more tax dollars -- when, with a stroke of the pen, he could give &#34;the poor&#34; money WITHOUT putting additional tax burdens on working families.

But then again, that would require him spending his own money, and as he's already bragged, he's not doing that unless he loses a bet.

Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, heliotrope. Beautifully put. </p>
<p>If &quot;Trace Phelps&quot; has the money to be writing &quot;six-figure&quot; checks to charities, he should be writing those to people who need it regardless of the election. </p>
<p>It becomes even more hypocritical when one considers that all he ever whines about is how badly &quot;the poor&quot; have it and how they need more tax dollars &#8212; when, with a stroke of the pen, he could give &quot;the poor&quot; money WITHOUT putting additional tax burdens on working families.</p>
<p>But then again, that would require him spending his own money, and as he&#8217;s already bragged, he&#8217;s not doing that unless he loses a bet.</p>
<p>Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trace, I have not predicted the outcome of the November elections. I directed you to Operation Chaos. I think you may not know what that is.

If you have bets above $10,000 at this point in the process, you either have money to burn or you have no real regard for the value of charity. I would never place ego on such a high dollar line when there are so many good things to be done for people in need. Certainly, you can find people within your reach who can benefit from your kindness and wealth. Color me disappointed. (Donations to charity are a cheap way of staying out of the hard work of helping your fellow man. Screw your $10,000+! Just show up at the shelter and provide your help and compassion. If you want to stroke a check or two, that is even better. Fie on your bank account bastardization of the meaning of charity. Your form of charity cheapens the giver and makes a monkey of the recipient.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trace, I have not predicted the outcome of the November elections. I directed you to Operation Chaos. I think you may not know what that is.</p>
<p>If you have bets above $10,000 at this point in the process, you either have money to burn or you have no real regard for the value of charity. I would never place ego on such a high dollar line when there are so many good things to be done for people in need. Certainly, you can find people within your reach who can benefit from your kindness and wealth. Color me disappointed. (Donations to charity are a cheap way of staying out of the hard work of helping your fellow man. Screw your $10,000+! Just show up at the shelter and provide your help and compassion. If you want to stroke a check or two, that is even better. Fie on your bank account bastardization of the meaning of charity. Your form of charity cheapens the giver and makes a monkey of the recipient.)</p>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &#34;heliotrope&#34;: I'm not ignoring anything.  I opened my comment with a statement that I do not necessarily agree with Caddell; I simply thought his observation was something interesting to share with this site's readers.

I do think McCain will lose, for a variety of reasons, unless there's a major terrorist incident.  If that happens all bets are off.

While I believe Hillary would have a better chance against McCain than her opponent, I do believe Obama can also beat McCain.  Polls don't mean much in the spring and once we get into the fall campaign McCain will have a hard time overcoming the sinking economy, opposition to the war in Iraq and the deep disappointment many voters feel about eight years of President Bush.

(Speaking of bets:  one of my best friends, who happens to support McCain, and I have already agreed on a six-figure bet.  If McCain wins, I write hefty checks to my friend's five favorite chaities.  If McCain loses, my friend writes hefty checks to my five favorite charities.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &quot;heliotrope&quot;: I&#8217;m not ignoring anything.  I opened my comment with a statement that I do not necessarily agree with Caddell; I simply thought his observation was something interesting to share with this site&#8217;s readers.</p>
<p>I do think McCain will lose, for a variety of reasons, unless there&#8217;s a major terrorist incident.  If that happens all bets are off.</p>
<p>While I believe Hillary would have a better chance against McCain than her opponent, I do believe Obama can also beat McCain.  Polls don&#8217;t mean much in the spring and once we get into the fall campaign McCain will have a hard time overcoming the sinking economy, opposition to the war in Iraq and the deep disappointment many voters feel about eight years of President Bush.</p>
<p>(Speaking of bets:  one of my best friends, who happens to support McCain, and I have already agreed on a six-figure bet.  If McCain wins, I write hefty checks to my friend&#8217;s five favorite chaities.  If McCain loses, my friend writes hefty checks to my five favorite charities.)</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've observed at least over the past 10 years or so that Democrats do better in generic polls and farther out from the election. The closer the election gets the worse they do and the better Republicans do. Dems also do much better with the ignorant masses, hence the old trick of polling the generic, &#34;Americans&#34; instead of &#34;voters&#34; or &#34;likely voters&#34; to make the Dems look better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve observed at least over the past 10 years or so that Democrats do better in generic polls and farther out from the election. The closer the election gets the worse they do and the better Republicans do. Dems also do much better with the ignorant masses, hence the old trick of polling the generic, &quot;Americans&quot; instead of &quot;voters&quot; or &quot;likely voters&quot; to make the Dems look better.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trace, you ignore Operation Chaos at your own peril. Hillary's campaign is being euchred and maneuvered with masterful deftness. Poor Obama is being forced to actually make statements of policy. He is now in the process of bleeding out from the accumulation of death by a thousand cuts. Hillary is only a useful, desperate harpy. The steady attention on Obama screw ups is coming from other places while giving credit to Hillary. Even Bill Clinton himself is quarterbacking in Operation Chaos. (His vanity keeps him from realizing it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trace, you ignore Operation Chaos at your own peril. Hillary&#8217;s campaign is being euchred and maneuvered with masterful deftness. Poor Obama is being forced to actually make statements of policy. He is now in the process of bleeding out from the accumulation of death by a thousand cuts. Hillary is only a useful, desperate harpy. The steady attention on Obama screw ups is coming from other places while giving credit to Hillary. Even Bill Clinton himself is quarterbacking in Operation Chaos. (His vanity keeps him from realizing it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not saying I agree with him, but Pat Caddell recently made an observation that may be of interest.  (If you've never heard of Caddell, he was Jimmy Carter's pollster and is now frequently very critical of today's Democratic Party.)

He said there's always a possibility that the drawn out nomination procees among Democrats could actually help Obama against John McCain.  His thinking is that, despite the nasty tone of the fight, there are some things Hillary simply will not, cannot say about fellow Democrat Obama.  So if the fight goes to the convention it will be almost Labor Day before voters hear these kind of charges.

(Caddell's assumption is that while the Democrats are fighting, most voters aren't paying much attention to  John McCain.  So, even if McCain were to make these tough charges against Obama in the spring and summer, voters won't hear them.) 

If it's not officially McCain vs Obama until Labor Day, when voters will start seriously paying attention to the campaigns they wage against each other, McCain wil have only two months to define Obama in the image McCain wants on the minds of the independents who will decide the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying I agree with him, but Pat Caddell recently made an observation that may be of interest.  (If you&#8217;ve never heard of Caddell, he was Jimmy Carter&#8217;s pollster and is now frequently very critical of today&#8217;s Democratic Party.)</p>
<p>He said there&#8217;s always a possibility that the drawn out nomination procees among Democrats could actually help Obama against John McCain.  His thinking is that, despite the nasty tone of the fight, there are some things Hillary simply will not, cannot say about fellow Democrat Obama.  So if the fight goes to the convention it will be almost Labor Day before voters hear these kind of charges.</p>
<p>(Caddell&#8217;s assumption is that while the Democrats are fighting, most voters aren&#8217;t paying much attention to  John McCain.  So, even if McCain were to make these tough charges against Obama in the spring and summer, voters won&#8217;t hear them.) </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not officially McCain vs Obama until Labor Day, when voters will start seriously paying attention to the campaigns they wage against each other, McCain wil have only two months to define Obama in the image McCain wants on the minds of the independents who will decide the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post GP. In a year when the Republicans should have virtually no chance it could be a close race because of the incompetent and inexperienced Democrats.  I said from the start when there were 9 of em on the stage...&#34;this is it, this is the best they have to offer?&#34;Rarely do we vote for a THIRD TERM for the party with the Presidency. But the Dem Congress has been so disfunctional...they have lied about two of the few pledges they made. 1. Out of Iraq 2. Lower gas prices. So the Pelosi Reid combo hasn't done the Democrat Presidential candidates any favors. The Dems lied about the &#34;worst ecomomy in 50 years&#34; when beating GHW Bush, they'll lie now about a depression at the end of Bush 43's term. I would defend by saying things were fine until the Pelosi cabal of crooks took over in '07. The main reason Republicans lost the House in '06 was because of corruption...how the Dems doing in that regard? I understand now Ms Stabenows (D) Michigan, husband was arrested for paying a whore. Wouldn't it be easier to ask Dems in debates to raise their hands (Chris Matthews) if they HAVEN'T been to a whore in the past 12 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post GP. In a year when the Republicans should have virtually no chance it could be a close race because of the incompetent and inexperienced Democrats.  I said from the start when there were 9 of em on the stage&#8230;&quot;this is it, this is the best they have to offer?&quot;Rarely do we vote for a THIRD TERM for the party with the Presidency. But the Dem Congress has been so disfunctional&#8230;they have lied about two of the few pledges they made. 1. Out of Iraq 2. Lower gas prices. So the Pelosi Reid combo hasn&#8217;t done the Democrat Presidential candidates any favors. The Dems lied about the &quot;worst ecomomy in 50 years&quot; when beating GHW Bush, they&#8217;ll lie now about a depression at the end of Bush 43&#8217;s term. I would defend by saying things were fine until the Pelosi cabal of crooks took over in &#8216;07. The main reason Republicans lost the House in &#8216;06 was because of corruption&#8230;how the Dems doing in that regard? I understand now Ms Stabenows (D) Michigan, husband was arrested for paying a whore. Wouldn&#8217;t it be easier to ask Dems in debates to raise their hands (Chris Matthews) if they HAVEN&#8217;T been to a whore in the past 12 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This election cycle is just too unusual to predict. 
 All I can say is, let the Dems keep on fighting each other.  Just because they are doing so, doesn't guarantee McCain anything.  So far I like what I see in his campaign, but he doesn't need to sway me, so I don't know how it's working on the undecided vote. I have a love-hate relationship with polls. All I can do is wait, and watch these fascinating events  unfold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This election cycle is just too unusual to predict.<br />
 All I can say is, let the Dems keep on fighting each other.  Just because they are doing so, doesn&#8217;t guarantee McCain anything.  So far I like what I see in his campaign, but he doesn&#8217;t need to sway me, so I don&#8217;t know how it&#8217;s working on the undecided vote. I have a love-hate relationship with polls. All I can do is wait, and watch these fascinating events  unfold.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, the election is certainly McCain's to lose. He is quite capable of doing a number on himself. I think the Democrats have picked internal scabs that will not soon heal and will be dressing their self inflicted wounds for some time to come.

What really intrigues me is whether McCain will stand up for McCain-Feingold and start legal action against talk radio, the blogs and e-mail in the 60 days before the election. Until McCain takes the pledge to veto any &#34;fairness doctrine&#34; that crosses his desk, I count him as a great enemy of free and protected political speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, the election is certainly McCain&#8217;s to lose. He is quite capable of doing a number on himself. I think the Democrats have picked internal scabs that will not soon heal and will be dressing their self inflicted wounds for some time to come.</p>
<p>What really intrigues me is whether McCain will stand up for McCain-Feingold and start legal action against talk radio, the blogs and e-mail in the 60 days before the election. Until McCain takes the pledge to veto any &quot;fairness doctrine&quot; that crosses his desk, I count him as a great enemy of free and protected political speech.</p>
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