The Left would Rather Judge Rove by Their Slogans than Listen to his Ideas
Given the amount of controversy my post Booing & Shouting: Standard Liberal Discourse? generated, I thought I’d cite another example of the phenomenon I described in that piece.
Last week, I saw this post on Powerline featuring a video of former Deputy White House White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove speaking to a student conference at George Washington University. In the middle of the speech, a group of left-wing students unfurled a banner reading “War Criminal” while another student rose to read some kind of indictment of the former Bush advisor, citing Article VI of the Nuremberg Trials.
Instead of listening to what this conservative had to say, they wanted to turn his address into a kangaroo court.
My question is this: If they really believe Karl Rove committed war crimes, why didn’t they have the guts to challenge him in the Question-and Answer-session? Why are so many left-wingers so afraid of confronting those conservatives they vehemently vilify?
I mean, this forum did allow students to speak up and pose questions. But, it seems these leftist students have been trained to discount anything a conservative has to day. And to judge him not by the actual words he speaks, the ideas he expresses, but what he learns about him from left-wing blogs and, alas, ever increasingly left-of-center professors. That’s why they don’t wait for him to finish his talk, but feel entitled to interrupt him, preventing themselves from familiarizing themselves with his opinions and letting others hear what he has to say.
But, at least, we know that Rove is a literate man. In response to a question about the “visceral reaction” liberals have to him, he made reference to the most important poem written between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance.
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Citing the Nuremberg Trials and Article VI is clear lunacy. A regular Keystone Kops meets Kangaroo Kourt with Judge Dennis Kucinich  presiding and the Kos Kids as Jury and exeKutioners.
 The Nuremberg Articles were written after Germany surrendered. In other words, the victors created a set of rules and then tried the defendants on a series of ex post facto crimes. At least they held a show trial. Saddam got one too. That is one of the prices that losers pay.
The "War Criminal" banner is typical smearing by label. But it does speak to the mindset of the Klowns holding it. They start with the conviction and work their way back to the charge.
Religious bigot! Homophobe! Racist! Fascist! War Criminal! They are all labels of contempt and conclusion. What is there to discuss? Certainly there is no room for facts since the trial was held in absentia  and the verdict is in. Boring. Simply and clearly and utterly boring. These sons and daughters of the Code Pink School of Singleminded Simpletons are guilty of misusing valuable oxygen.Â
Comment by heliotrope — April 7, 2008 @ 6:33 pm - April 7, 2008
Our universities don’t teach our students to argue and debate with civility. They don’t educate to start with, so the students can’t debate if they are unarmed. If you compare Rove/Bush to the Nazi’s and fascists, you obviously haven’t been taught about the true Nazi’s. So the screamers and disruptors are dopes.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 7, 2008 @ 7:24 pm - April 7, 2008
BTW since Rove has been a contributor to FOX News he has this map thing where he takes the current polls in each state and shows how McCain would match up with Barack or Hills. The actual journalists are fascinated by the maps. Even on PSNMC they are talking of the Rove maps. It made me wonder….duh why hadn’t an actual trained and schooled journalist done the same thing? You got thousands of these journalists wandering about…I found the Rove maps educational and informative. And they paint a nice picture for the Republicans too.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 7, 2008 @ 7:28 pm - April 7, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/rove-maps-mccain/
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 7, 2008 @ 7:31 pm - April 7, 2008
Thanks, Gene. Good clip, and wonderful to see all the resentment and quaking of the Left in the text that surrounds it.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 7, 2008 @ 7:38 pm - April 7, 2008
Certainly the students should behave or not bother going. As far as listening to Rove, he’s an amoral piece of excrement who has nothing of value to hear. He would sacrifice every single one of you if you stood in his way yet you want listen to him. This isn’t the first time I’ve realized gay conservatives are generally suicidal ? He walked on our backs to get Bush elected, twice. What the (%* is wrong with you people? Conservative is one thing, self-destructive is another. Rove is everything that is wrong with politics in the USA today. Not that he doesn’t have equals on the left, because he does. Anyone claiming to be Christian who supports this man is seriously clueless about what the Bible teaches. What happened to honesty, integrity, compassion, truth, justice? None of these words can be applied to the man you so defend. It doesn’t matter how intelligent evil is, it’s still evil. He fits right in with Coulter and Savage, fine examples of right wing hate. And you say liberals are anti- American. You have just eliminated any respect I had for this blog, not that I would expect you to care one way or another
Good I need a reason to cut out some of feeds I get. Thanks.
[Do you want to justify any of the points you made in this tirade with actual facts? --Dan]
Comment by Dave — April 7, 2008 @ 7:57 pm - April 7, 2008
Nice pickup ILC of the liberal whining at the end of the bottom of the clip. Like it is a Rove plot to actually "report" the state polls. That is viewed as FOX spin.
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 7, 2008 @ 7:59 pm - April 7, 2008
Way off topic – my grin for the day, h/t LibertyBlog. It seems that Starbucks will happily let people customize their Starbucks cards with charged, left-wing political slogans – while disapproving others. Starbucks have no good explanations and look like idiots.
Destroyed by left-wingers, Dave – such as yourself. But don’t worry. Those of us who think clearly and rationally, love America and love human freedom are working to bring them back.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 7, 2008 @ 8:01 pm - April 7, 2008
#6 Holy crap Dave, re read your post man.Talk about hate. I’ve never met Karl Rove and he hasn’t done a thing to hurt me. I don’t sit around and wait to be offended by anyone. I get on with my own life and try to better myself and my family. As a gay Republican American, my life is in a pretty good place. You should try getting on with your life as well, without giving polititians the power to ruin your day.Â
Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — April 7, 2008 @ 8:04 pm - April 7, 2008
Dave, take a deep breath and think happy thoughts.
Why do so many libs go ballistic over Rove? He really frustrates them. From Dave I learn that Rove and "honesty, integrity, compassion, truth, (and) justice" have nothing in common. Now that is a world class indictment. Could I ask for convicting evidence on just one of those?
Comment by heliotrope — April 7, 2008 @ 9:11 pm - April 7, 2008
Dave, thanks for giving us a clear example of what Dan was talking about. No interest in hearing the other side, no cogent discussion about concrete examples of the evil that Rove has inflicted on our country.
What about growing a spine and standing up in front of Rove and asking him a pointed question about his activities.
That would be too much for these spoiled children on our university campii today. They have been coddled and worshiped as incredible human beings simply because they are alive. Instead of using this opportunity to open their minds, they throw a fit and behave like the brats they are.
And they are so brave – they will show the evil Rove won’t they.
It’s situations like this that make me wish we had the draft with no exemptions for college students. One week in boot camp would turn these sniveling idiots into men.
Comment by Leah — April 7, 2008 @ 11:08 pm - April 7, 2008
Why do so many libs go ballistic over Rove?
Because he beats them and denies them their birthright of absolute power.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 8, 2008 @ 2:10 am - April 8, 2008
Rove is a true gentleman and smarter than just about anyone he shares the tube with. Pilloried as a hate figure, Karl simply DOES HIS JOB. But be not troubled by ignorant hatefilled lunacy like we see above. Karl isn’t. As Hillary has said, “Facts are stubborn…” Of coure Reagan said it better, “Facts are stubborn things… ” Facts we never get from our opposite numbers just nitwtted screeds as just demonstrated so well. But NOW the guns are all turned inward. It is Hillary (and Geraldine) who are whores. It is Obama who is a fantasy and a mugging (Bill the C there). Yes, the pathetic charade, enabled by our media culture, that ‘politics’ is something that mean old Republicans practice and that Democrats, lambs that they are, must be protected from. Oh, it is sweet. Oh, it is rich and regardless of the outcome Barry can claim one great service to this nation; he has knocked some of the shine off the Clinton horde. Well done, Barry. Well done.
Comment by megapotamus — April 8, 2008 @ 1:21 pm - April 8, 2008
To put it nicely, Dave, screw you.
We know damn well that HRC and your fellow gay liberals fully endorse and support with tens of millions of dollars and shouts of “pro-gay’ and “gay-supportive” the very things that you whine about as hateful and divisive — when it involves your Democrat masters endorsing and supporting them.
http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2007/02/lets-see-if-we-can-follow-bouncing.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001999067_kerrygay07.html
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 8, 2008 @ 1:30 pm - April 8, 2008
I check in on this website every now and again, and always leave shaking my head. This time, I decided to comment. Gay people defending–even exhaulting–Karl freakin’ Rove? And asking for facts and citations to back up dislike of him? Is anything more needed?
It is very well known that anti-gay rhetoric, mostly gay marriage, was used as a wedge issue in 2000 and 2004. Karl Rove ran the campaign. What more do you need?
I just don’t understand it. How any sane person, let alone a GAY person could be enthralled by Karl Rove is utterly beyond me. I used to be one of you, a gay conservative. After the last seven-plus years, I just can’t do it anymore. I switched my political affiliation for 2006, but my heart was out of it years before that.
[Um, did you even read the post? Where did I say I was enthralled by Karl Rove? I was just defending him against those who would prevent him from speaking. --Dan]
Sorry to interrupt your discussion, but I just don’t understand your position on this topic–or most others–at all. And I honestly try to.
[Well, I'm skeptical about your claim that you're honestly trying to understand my position since your very comment suggests you read your own thoughts into the post rather than taking the time to learn mine. Enthralled by Karl Rove? No. Impressed by his political savvy? Yes. Take the time to understand the difference. --Dan]
Carry on.
Comment by James L. Greenlee — April 9, 2008 @ 1:33 am - April 9, 2008
Mr. Greenlee, here’s a thought; read the links provided in my post before yours, and then explain why you and your fellow Democrat Party gays fully support and endorse those actions.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 9, 2008 @ 1:16 pm - April 9, 2008
Never saw/heard it much, if at all from Bush during the elections. Heard Kerry exploit Mary Cheney’s sexuality in a sorry ass attempt to score political points. Further, what’s this
It is very well known that anti-gay rhetoric…
What anti-gay rhetoric? Who said it and when? When did Bush say much of anything on gay marriage during the campaign? You give the impression that that was the main thing he was pounding the pulpit on, so it should be no problem for you to find sources to back up what is “well known”.
Here’s a doozy:
And what? Now you’re a petulant, narcissistic, angry child favoring Neo-Socailism? Sorry, I’m not buying it.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — April 9, 2008 @ 11:57 pm - April 9, 2008
ND30, I somewhat doubt that you screwing me would be nice. As far as your funny little rant goes – 1) HRC has nothing to do with me, I don’t support them and never have 2) You really don’t know what my “fellow gay liberals” believe, only what the most vocal ones do 3) I have no masters of any political party, I don’t need someone to tell my how to think, I can read and make form my own opinions – can you?
Dan, I believe Mr. Greenlee was responding more to the worshipful comments of some others here not your original post. Clearly some of them are so enamored with Rove that they are willing to overlook (or claim ignorance of) the repulsive lack of morals displayed by Rove. And no, I won’t provide examples, read something besides WorldNet Daily occasionally.
TGC, Kerry is an unsavory politician to be sure but it is pure conservative BS to claim he was exploiting Mary Cheney since what he said was known by the majority of the American public. And he really did the Cheney’s a favor since they could then provide us with a moving show of shock and anger and what he said. SHOW being the operative word here. Considering you wrote this nonsens in response to a comment about Rove makes it even more ludicrous.
For a group of people who so often accuse the liberals of being sheep, controled by Dem masters etc., you do little to show that you are anothing but the same.
Comment by Dave — April 12, 2008 @ 2:00 pm - April 12, 2008
Here folks.. want to see the Lefty hate machine at work.
On the blog called Betsy’s Page, a Leftist has attacked me as follows:
You would NEVER see a Conservative attack someone like that merely because of a disagreement in a political debate.
I have to laugh how Lefy gay people actually really believe they have some high ground. The Left hates everything that it doesnt’ agree with. And when it hates something, there are no rules or limits when a Leftist decides to go on the attack.
Comment by Vince P — April 12, 2008 @ 4:10 pm - April 12, 2008
This is the link:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/betsynewmark/389574995380834155/?src=hsrs#391396
Comment by Vince P — April 12, 2008 @ 4:10 pm - April 12, 2008