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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/08/would-i-be-blogging-if-not-for-log-cabin/comment-page-1/#comment-132126</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I have seen some pretty bizarre attempts to twist the meaning of my words on here but this may be one of the best.  To even think of putting an order of importance on my sentence is identity politics at it&#039;s worst.  Petty little minds shouldn&#039;t even bother trying to make cases, never mind rest them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I have seen some pretty bizarre attempts to twist the meaning of my words on here but this may be one of the best.  To even think of putting an order of importance on my sentence is identity politics at it&#8217;s worst.  Petty little minds shouldn&#8217;t even bother trying to make cases, never mind rest them.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/08/would-i-be-blogging-if-not-for-log-cabin/comment-page-1/#comment-130243</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5:Â  &quot;[i]tâ€™s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.&quot;

So Dave, according to your choice of word order, you consider yourself first a gay man, and THEN an American.

This is why the Left is wrong.

I rest my case.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5:Â  &quot;[i]tâ€™s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.&quot;</p>
<p>So Dave, according to your choice of word order, you consider yourself first a gay man, and THEN an American.</p>
<p>This is why the Left is wrong.</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, North Dallas, instead of goose step how about - &quot;bend to the will of the party&quot;.  Either way, believe or not it is possible to value differing perspectives while still disliking party politics and expectations of submission to the bosses.  If I meant to compare you to Nazis I would have said exactly that.  And why don&#039;t I specifically single out HRC and the others for criticism - because it&#039;s already been said, that&#039;s what the article did.   

Yeah, the statement was too long.  But in it, they clearly described what they support/appreciate about Bush.  I don&#039;t see anything in it that indicates any &quot;pandering to left-leaning&quot; groups but I read it with a different set of glasses than you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, North Dallas, instead of goose step how about &#8211; &#8220;bend to the will of the party&#8221;.  Either way, believe or not it is possible to value differing perspectives while still disliking party politics and expectations of submission to the bosses.  If I meant to compare you to Nazis I would have said exactly that.  And why don&#8217;t I specifically single out HRC and the others for criticism &#8211; because it&#8217;s already been said, that&#8217;s what the article did.   </p>
<p>Yeah, the statement was too long.  But in it, they clearly described what they support/appreciate about Bush.  I don&#8217;t see anything in it that indicates any &#8220;pandering to left-leaning&#8221; groups but I read it with a different set of glasses than you.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/08/would-i-be-blogging-if-not-for-log-cabin/comment-page-1/#comment-129343</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Integrity, Dave?  Had Log Cabin perhaps issued a short non-endorsement as opposed to the lengthy bloviation that they did, I might say they showed some integrity.  And had its leaders then refrained from criticizing their (ostensible) party&#039;s nominee in the course of the campaign.

It was not so much the non-endorsement that irked me, but how Log Cabin released it.  &lt;del datetime=&quot;2008-04-09T20:25:12+00:00&quot;&gt;Were that statement still up on their web-site, I would link it and show what I mean&lt;/del&gt;  Just found the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/press_090804.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;release&lt;/a&gt; via a google search, apparently it is still up, but not listed on their web-site.  For the time being, I will just note how long it is. 

It was the length that really got me.  All Log Cabin needed say was:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Given the President&#039;s support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, the Board of Log Cabin voted overwhelmingly not to endorse his re-election.  We feel this pander to social conservatives compromises his otherwise solid record of leadership.  While we are not endorsing George W. Bush for President, we are remaining neutral in the presidential race, troubled by John Kerry&#039;s vacillations on national security and commitment to an ever-larger federal government.  Despie our silence in the presidnetial race, we intend to work to elect broad-minded Repubicans like Arlen Specter for Senate in Pennsylvania and Deborah Pryce for Congress in Ohio.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Such a statement would show the party&#039;s commitment to the GOP and make clear that Log Cabin was not pandering to the left-leaning gay organizations as the text of its 2004 release indicates.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Integrity, Dave?  Had Log Cabin perhaps issued a short non-endorsement as opposed to the lengthy bloviation that they did, I might say they showed some integrity.  And had its leaders then refrained from criticizing their (ostensible) party&#8217;s nominee in the course of the campaign.</p>
<p>It was not so much the non-endorsement that irked me, but how Log Cabin released it.  <del datetime="2008-04-09T20:25:12+00:00">Were that statement still up on their web-site, I would link it and show what I mean</del>  Just found the <a href="http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/press_090804.html" rel="nofollow">release</a> via a google search, apparently it is still up, but not listed on their web-site.  For the time being, I will just note how long it is. </p>
<p>It was the length that really got me.  All Log Cabin needed say was:</p>
<blockquote><p>Given the President&#8217;s support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, the Board of Log Cabin voted overwhelmingly not to endorse his re-election.  We feel this pander to social conservatives compromises his otherwise solid record of leadership.  While we are not endorsing George W. Bush for President, we are remaining neutral in the presidential race, troubled by John Kerry&#8217;s vacillations on national security and commitment to an ever-larger federal government.  Despie our silence in the presidnetial race, we intend to work to elect broad-minded Repubicans like Arlen Specter for Senate in Pennsylvania and Deborah Pryce for Congress in Ohio.</p></blockquote>
<p> Such a statement would show the party&#8217;s commitment to the GOP and make clear that Log Cabin was not pandering to the left-leaning gay organizations as the text of its 2004 release indicates.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Isnâ€™t it on here that it has been said HRC and others should not include broader issues in their actions?&lt;/em&gt;

HRC allegedly exists SOLELY for the purpose of gay issues. 

LCR exists for the purpose of Republican positions on multiple issues, NOT just gay issues.

Therefore, as a Republican group, it is perfectly acceptable for LCR to have a position on abortion. However, since abortion is not a gay and lesbian issue, it is completely inappropriate for HRC to have a position on it or to use it as a consideration in their endorsements.

&lt;em&gt;And I say the same thing about liberal LGBT groups who endorsed Kerry and are doing the same for the current Dem candidates.&lt;/em&gt;

That would be all of them. So say it directly, that HRC, NGLTF, and all the other gay and lesbian liberal &quot;rights&quot; groups have no integrity.

And I loved this juxtaposition:

&lt;em&gt;All that aside, itâ€™s a positive thing that it got you back into blogging, voices of all perspectives are needed because itâ€™s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.&lt;/em&gt;

with this:

&lt;em&gt;I know itâ€™s a mortal sin for any Republican not to goose step along with the rest of the party&lt;/em&gt;

So you say how much you &quot;value&quot; us in one sentence, and then compare us to Nazis in the next.

Uh huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Isnâ€™t it on here that it has been said HRC and others should not include broader issues in their actions?</em></p>
<p>HRC allegedly exists SOLELY for the purpose of gay issues. </p>
<p>LCR exists for the purpose of Republican positions on multiple issues, NOT just gay issues.</p>
<p>Therefore, as a Republican group, it is perfectly acceptable for LCR to have a position on abortion. However, since abortion is not a gay and lesbian issue, it is completely inappropriate for HRC to have a position on it or to use it as a consideration in their endorsements.</p>
<p><em>And I say the same thing about liberal LGBT groups who endorsed Kerry and are doing the same for the current Dem candidates.</em></p>
<p>That would be all of them. So say it directly, that HRC, NGLTF, and all the other gay and lesbian liberal &#8220;rights&#8221; groups have no integrity.</p>
<p>And I loved this juxtaposition:</p>
<p><em>All that aside, itâ€™s a positive thing that it got you back into blogging, voices of all perspectives are needed because itâ€™s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.</em></p>
<p>with this:</p>
<p><em>I know itâ€™s a mortal sin for any Republican not to goose step along with the rest of the party</em></p>
<p>So you say how much you &#8220;value&#8221; us in one sentence, and then compare us to Nazis in the next.</p>
<p>Uh huh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did LCR not endorse Bush?  It&#039;s called integrity.  For any LGBT organization to supprt a man who has selected us as a target and who enjoys the backing of organizations who despise our existence is really quite disgusting.  While as individuals they may, and probably did vote for him, at the group level it would have been totally hypoctrical to endorse him.  Identity politics has nothing to do with it.  I know it&#039;s a mortal sin for any Republican not to goose step along with the rest of the party but it&#039;s nice to see that they refused to.  And I say the same thing about liberal LGBT groups who endorsed Kerry and are doing the same for the current Dem candidates.  Certainly most of us vote for the candidate who will do the best job (or the least damage) but for the organizations that are most visible to openly endorse candidates who do NOT have our best interests in mind on our issues is wrong.  Isn&#039;t it on here that it has been said HRC and others should not include broader issues in their actions?  So why do you expect them to endorse a candidate on those same things?  Either the focus on LGBT concerns or the don&#039;t, you want it both ways I guess.

All that aside, it&#039;s a positive thing that it got you back into blogging, voices of all perspectives are needed because it&#039;s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did LCR not endorse Bush?  It&#8217;s called integrity.  For any LGBT organization to supprt a man who has selected us as a target and who enjoys the backing of organizations who despise our existence is really quite disgusting.  While as individuals they may, and probably did vote for him, at the group level it would have been totally hypoctrical to endorse him.  Identity politics has nothing to do with it.  I know it&#8217;s a mortal sin for any Republican not to goose step along with the rest of the party but it&#8217;s nice to see that they refused to.  And I say the same thing about liberal LGBT groups who endorsed Kerry and are doing the same for the current Dem candidates.  Certainly most of us vote for the candidate who will do the best job (or the least damage) but for the organizations that are most visible to openly endorse candidates who do NOT have our best interests in mind on our issues is wrong.  Isn&#8217;t it on here that it has been said HRC and others should not include broader issues in their actions?  So why do you expect them to endorse a candidate on those same things?  Either the focus on LGBT concerns or the don&#8217;t, you want it both ways I guess.</p>
<p>All that aside, it&#8217;s a positive thing that it got you back into blogging, voices of all perspectives are needed because it&#8217;s a combination of all of them that will move us as LGBT people, as USA citizens and as occupants of planet earth, forward not backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have much experience with LCR other than a few e-mails with the Tampa Bay chapter. In fact, they&#039;re the ones who recommended that I check out blogs. I&#039;d heard of &#039;em, but at the time I thought they were just personal diary pages.

I Googled Gay Republican Blogs and found GayPatriot and others. I came to GP around the time of the &quot;Wanted&quot; Poster kerfuffle. Forget how long ago that was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much experience with LCR other than a few e-mails with the Tampa Bay chapter. In fact, they&#8217;re the ones who recommended that I check out blogs. I&#8217;d heard of &#8216;em, but at the time I thought they were just personal diary pages.</p>
<p>I Googled Gay Republican Blogs and found GayPatriot and others. I came to GP around the time of the &#8220;Wanted&#8221; Poster kerfuffle. Forget how long ago that was.</p>
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		<title>By: NaturallyGay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NaturallyGay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see LCR not endorsing Bush because of his Federal Marriage Amendment, but to say that gay Republicans wouldn&#039;t vote for him because of it is ridiculous. I have plenty of reasons to dislike Bush, but I&#039;d still vote for him over Gore or Kerry. I share your frustrations over having my political beliefs restricted to only gay issues. All of the &quot;gay rights&quot; in the world won&#039;t help me much if the nation isn&#039;t secure or if I&#039;m taxed into massive debt to support failing social programs. (Yes, that happened to me during the Clinton years. Just watch that paycheck shrink!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see LCR not endorsing Bush because of his Federal Marriage Amendment, but to say that gay Republicans wouldn&#8217;t vote for him because of it is ridiculous. I have plenty of reasons to dislike Bush, but I&#8217;d still vote for him over Gore or Kerry. I share your frustrations over having my political beliefs restricted to only gay issues. All of the &#8220;gay rights&#8221; in the world won&#8217;t help me much if the nation isn&#8217;t secure or if I&#8217;m taxed into massive debt to support failing social programs. (Yes, that happened to me during the Clinton years. Just watch that paycheck shrink!)</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/08/would-i-be-blogging-if-not-for-log-cabin/comment-page-1/#comment-128705</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LInks need fixing.  At this instant, they have some &quot;http//http//&quot; thing going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LInks need fixing.  At this instant, they have some &#8220;http//http//&#8221; thing going on.</p>
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