Okay, enough of this! My puny, “bitter” brain can’t handle the hypocrisy and the clashing of MSM-doctrine in this poster. (h/t – Instapundit)
Can you just IMAGINE the outrage (*cough* Keith Olbermann *cough*) if this were a John McCain for President flyer?
Don’t Liberals believe in “Separation of Church and State” anymore?   Will Liberal Bloggers become the New Moral Majority?
What is going on? What bizzaro world are we living in these days? Stop the madness!!!!!!!!
Arghhhhh.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
McCain, heck! I want as many of these beauties as possible with George Bush on them posted on every telephone pole in the United States.
Now that the Left has released its Elmer Gantry Obama secret weapon on the gun clutchers and Bible huggers can we expect DNC rival tent shakedowns to follow?
I can hear it now: “Brothers and Sisters, we need a love offering for sister Michelle! We are going to the White House and she needs a new dress that befits a first lady. Buckets are being passed down the rows to collect the tokens of your love for Michelle. She will look so beautiful for you. Let’s not hear any metal against metal! Let the donations fall softly like the feathers of angels! God Bless you! For those of you who wish to have a special laying on of hands from Minister Obama, we have set up a small tent for personal contact. See the ushers for admission. Be generous, we are doing the Lord’s work.”
I think it has to do with more Obama trying to overcome the perception he is muslim, probably the most effective chain email ever lauched. I think it has less to do with policy or belief and more trying to remind people that he is ineed Christian.
DER, Obama *is* Muslim – in the eyes of Muslims. Facts:
– He was born to a Muslim father. Under Muslim law, that makes him a Muslim.
– As a schoolboy in Indonesia, he was raised/treated/identified as a Muslim. Ditto.
– Under Muslim law, once you are a Muslim you can never stop being one – and if you try, then you are an apostate Muslim, which is about the worst thing a human being can be; you must be executed.
It’s all in the New York Times, DER, so don’t call it a chain mail.
Did Obama claim that we needed to rewrite the Constitution to bring it in line with God’s law? Then he’s probably not a Christianist.
You see, the only way your claim of hypocrisy make sense is if you believe the Right’s frame that Democrats are hostile to all religion, or hate Christians, or try to sweep all mentions of religion from public view, everywhere. It’s not true, of course; millions of Democrats are religious, religious groups work for Democratic causes all the time, and Democrats have raised no war on religion, but that’s the frame, the lie, which drives your post title.
Until Obama tries to install Biblical law in the US, or tries to deny civil rights to certain segments of the population based on a few translated verses from his holy book, a Christianist he ain’t. But you already knew that, of course; maybe someone just needed a claim of Left hypocrisy to distract from the MS-01 results last night.
What I came to say: Bruce, I think you misunderstand what’s happening here. Liberals are fine with Christianity – provided it panders to them; provided it tells them they’re right.
In this case, the symbolism of the Obama + Cross picture, to a liberal, is not that Obama loves Jesus or Obama would carry out the will of Jesus. To a liberal, the symbolism is that Obama *is* Jesus. Again: Religion is fine, if and when it sticks to its God-ordained function of telling the liberal she’s right.
LOL….which is why the winner in MS-01 last night, Travis Childers, was, according to his own advertisements, “pro-gun and pro-life” — and, according to gay leftists everywhere, antigay and in opposition to gay marriage. Furthermore, he had to specifically repudiate claims that Obama and Nancy Pelosi had endorsed him, since he felt that would drag him down.
What your touting of MS-01 shows, torrentprime, is that you are a hypocrite. If it had been a Republican, you would have been frothing at the mouth at how those backwoods folks had elected another lunatic “Christianist” based on God, guns, and gays who was trying to “impose his holy book” on and “deny civil rights” to society, just as you did above.
Besides, Torrentprime, as Reverend Wright has shown us, Obama’s religious beliefs include that the US government caused AIDS, that white people are to blame for all black peoples’ problems, and that those “filthy Jews” are at the root of all international issues.
At least that’s what Obama sat in church proclaiming for twenty years, clapping right along with the Rev.
There, Barry, I fixed it for ya. 😉
I’m confused about the rules here. He can parade around his religion to pander for votes but:
1. We can’t questions whether he is really Christian or how much his Muslim upbringing influenced him.
2. We can’t criticize his church or pastor because it’s racist or we just don’t understand their beliefs.
3. When his pastor goes off the deep end and Obama claims he never heard messages like that in 20 years, we are supposed to accept that as truth.
I’m sure I’m missing a few. Help me out here.
“Christianist” is a term created very recently by frikkin’ sociologists to enumerate the characteristics of a select group of Christians on the religious right.
This is typical sand-play among those who specialize in B.F. Skinner type “research” in order to “scientifically” brand a selected group. In fact, they are simply inventing a science replete with terminology which they can then protect vociferously. It is not too different from the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his “Liberation Theology.”
“Christianist” is not a valid term.
Obama is planting himself in front of the cross for purely political purposes. But then pulpit politics in the black church seems to be common fare.
As to liberals and religion, they do seem to tear out a lot of the inconvenient passages and doctrines. I laugh at how easily a Kennedy or Kerry can get an annulment in a marriage with grown children or pay no heed to the unborn life issue.
Can you imagine this same poster with Huckabee or Romney on it? The Democrat attack machine would be stripping gears and smoking over screams about religion as cult and the subversive take over by the Puritan witch hunters and burners.
Obama is just a clean, articulate, good natured black man who has a fine record as a church goer. (But we all know that he doesn’t let his religion mess up his common sense. It’s like hanging around William Ayres; he is just being polite and socially mainstream. What a guy.)
I take great offense to the idea that religion is solely within the purview of conservatives. It was, after all, the UCC (Obama’s denomination) which created the Serenity Prayer, PFLAG, Open and Accepting Congregations, and was the first major church to support marriage equality.
There is very little difference between Rev. Wright’s statements on the American government and MLK’s statements. Martin Luther King said during the Vietnam War that America was the “most violent government on Earth”.
Also, I continue to find it extremely odd that Trinity UCC is labeled a racist church when the Conference Minister who oversees it is a middle-aged white woman, and a middle-aged white man from Wisconsin is the denominational president.
I could go on reminding everyone that a majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence were UCC and that the congregational polity of our churches inspired the American Revolution. Or that the UCC was the backbone of the Abolitionist Movement and later the Civil Rights Movement.
Peace and Blessings!
I must have missed the parable of the rich politician bringing “hope and change” to the bitter, clingy masses.
It was, after all, the UCC (Obama’s denomination) which created the Serenity Prayer, PFLAG, Open and Accepting Congregations, and was the first major church to support marriage equality.
It was also the first church to endorse and support as mainstream doctrine the belief that whites are responsible for all black peoples’ problems, that AIDS is a plague created by the US government to kill off all blacks, and that Louis Farrakhan’s belief that “filthy Jews” are to blame for all the problems of the world is something that should be rewarded and championed.
But we’re supposed to ignore all that, because they pretend to like gays.
Also, I continue to find it extremely odd that Trinity UCC is labeled a racist church when the Conference Minister who oversees it is a middle-aged white woman, and a middle-aged white man from Wisconsin is the denominational president.
I believe you were stating before that the UCC denomination has zero, zip, no control whatsoever over Trinity and its loopy theology.
Don’t try to argue that a church is racist because it has white people “in charge” — when you’ve already admitted that those white people haven’t any power whatsoever over the church.
And those white people probably agree with Jeremiah Wright and Obama and spend at least fourteen hours a day blaming themselves for being born white and causing their black brothers and sisters all sorts of problems.
David, all your comments about UCC are lovely. What is it about separation of Church and State that you don’t get??
To my knowledge all of our presidents have been Church goers, that isn’t the issue – but campaigning with the cross!! We all know that the Dems campaign in Black churches – but that Evangelical Churches get audited if there is a sermon about politics.
So please, cut the crap, I am so sick and tired of the Dems having one set of rules for the Republicans and no rules for themselves. And they dare call us hypocrits!!
David, for someone who preaches Christianity around here, your comments sure are filled with false, inflammatory straw men. NDT and Leah are doing a great job, so I’ll just deal with one:
Liberal moral equivalence (i.e., moral blindness), anyone?
Let me enumerate the differences:
1) MLK never publicly screamed for the Lord God to curse and destroy America.
2) Look at your own words… “Vietnam war”. Today, we are in a war that the Islamo-fascists declared on us.
3) I could go on.
(sorry, let me be accurate… “preaches about the Christian virtues of UCC”, not Christianity per se)
Sure, as long as it suits their purposes.
#4
You’ll have a hell of a time convincing me otherwise. Sure there are liberals who go to church, but at the same time they support, with money and votes, those who actively carry out the above.
And no, liberals aren’t hostile toward all religions. Just Christians and Jews. They’re pretty damn tolerant of allowing Muslims to pray in public, in schools, etc.
ILoveCapitalism,
I’ve gone over, and refuted, the other accusations against Trinity. There is nothing racist about Trinity UCC. Rev. Wright did not call on God to damn America. You may continue believing the accusations — it makes very little difference.
Leah,
What “double-standard” are you decrying? The one where candidate Rev. Huckabee speaks about restoring “God’s laws”. Or are you referring to Bush’s tax payer funded faith-based initiatives? Please clarify.
David, really. What part of “Not ‘God Bless America’! No, no, no! God DAMN America!’ is not clear enough for you?
Video here: http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/03/17/will-rev-wright-cause-obamas-downfall/
Sorry – Betsy gives better video here, in the first comment of this post where GPW appropriately contrasts King and Wright:
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/03/24/rev-wright-another-measure-of-dr-kings-greatness/
Hugh Hewitt eviscerates the “Wright was quoted out of context” canard here:
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/34fedc25-b630-48e8-b2f4-326c5d9d5314
Long story short: Martin Luther King, Wright ain’t!!!
In fact, David: HOW DARE YOU INSULT DR. KING’S MEMORY in that way???????? Heinous!
If they aren’t, why did a bigoted sonofabitch like Jeremiah Wright get a job as pastor and keep it so long?
Sorry, but despite what you want us to believe, blacks can be racist too. To spin a pile of bullshit that Trinity isn’t racist is absurd and an insult to people’s intelligence. And Goddamn anybody who defends that kind of hatred and bigotry.
Just because David chooses to close his own eyes and ears and ignore the all too common instances of Wright race-baiting and preaching hatred of “white people”, Jews, etc., does not mean others (we) are obligated to do likewise.
#10 David blows the following smoke out of his navel:
The UCC was formed in 1957. Pretty late to for the Declaration of Independence, American Revolution or the Abolitionist Movement eras.
Of course, if can you trace the roots of the UCC you get back to Calvin, Luther, Erasmus, Adam, Eve and all the animals on Noah’s ark. (Not to mention the KKK, the Roundheads, the Millerites and the Shakers.)
To say that “a majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence were UCC” is full blown idiocy. However, to say they were protestants would be accurate.
When you find this type of claim being made, you know you are dealing with a sect that is overreaching in trying to establish legitimacy.
The UCC has certainly bent and shaped traditional Christian doctrine to overlook homosexual behavior. I would be astounded out of my very skin if David can produce the evidence that “a majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence” were indifferent to homosexual behavior.
Bring it on David. I enjoy a powerful, reasoned debate.
Once again, the glaring and blatant hypocrisy of the left shines through! How will the apologists explain this away? Liberals need smacked, collectively, upside the head.
“The UCC was formed in 1957. Pretty late to for the Declaration of Independence, American Revolution or the Abolitionist Movement eras.
Of course, if can you trace the roots of the UCC you get back to Calvin, Luther, Erasmus, Adam, Eve and all the animals on Noah’s ark. (Not to mention the KKK, the Roundheads, the Millerites and the Shakers.)
To say that “a majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence were UCC†is full blown idiocy. However, to say they were protestants would be accurate.”
The UCC dates back to 1620. The last merger (there have been others) was 1957. And yes, a majority of the signers were Congregationalists, which is the main predecessor body of the UCC.
“David, really. What part of “Not ‘God Bless America’! No, no, no! God DAMN America!’ is not clear enough for you?”
I guess it would be the entire one-hour sermon on the failure of man-made governments. Rev. Wright made it clear that he was speaking about the government — not the people. I’ve listened to the entire sermon
Just a few months ago Governor Huckabee was trashed by leftists in the MSM when a television commercial appeared to show a Cross behind him. Light shining on the shelves in a bookcase created the image of a Cross. But we know the left will hold their collective noses and overlook Obama’s pandering to Christians in Kentucky.
Too many people are focusing too much on the racist tone of Rev. Wright’s sermons. Wright was greatly influenced by Rev. James L. Coyne’s books interpreting “liberation theology”. Thus, Wright’s most dangerous sermons were those in which he attacked capitalism and advocated Marxism. On more than one occasion statements by the Obamas, particularly some of Michelle’s whining, sound like the ideas Wright would have preached.
There was no organization known as the United Church of Christ until 1957. It was created by a merger of two organizations: the Evangelical and Reformed Church (formed in 1934) and the Congregational Christian Churches. Both of these organizations were created from mergers of smaller Protestant churches of varying ethnic backgrounds and differences in beliefs. Trinity Church is not representative of all UCC-affiliated churches; they run the gamut in their political beliefs and ethnic makeups.
“Christianism” is a term of false moral equivalence between terrorists who claim that Islam commands them to violently kill non-believers and Christians who oppose same-sex marriage between two consenting, unrelated adults.
Furthermore, take out the “God” references in Wright’s speech and you have typical leftist propaganda. Yes, Wright did say everything he was accused of saying, and no, he was not quoted out of context. The former head of the NAACP in Durham, NC was just like him, with his post 9/11 comments. The man is a bigot and a disgrace to the cloth. To equivocate him with the man who said “I have a dream that someday men may be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character” is utterly disingenuous.
#28: Liberation theology largely claims to be Catholic. Nonetheless, it claims to bring together two diametrically opposed world views. The anti-semite Marx called religion “the opiate of the masses.” In spite of the ludicrous claims of people like Robert Mugabe to link Marx and Jesus, Communism is inherently atheistic. How, therefore, could any religion reconcile with it?
#27 David:
There was no UCC before 1957. Your statement that “(t)he UCC dates back to 1620” is clearly in error. It is also of great importance that very little is known of the formal religious affiliations of the founding fathers. Time and again, when “Congregationalist” is assigned to a founding father, the source is the Congregationalist Library and there is no second source for verification. The Congregationalist Library lists John Adams as a Congregationalist. In truth, Adams was raised as a Congregationalist, but became a Unitarian well before his presidency. Therefore, he can not be listed as a Congregationalist president, yet the Congregationalist Library does list him as such.
Fact checking, particularly in the internet age, is a very important process. I will not allow any research paper submitted to me to state as fact any bit of information that can not be sourced to at least two reliable resources. If you will check your point that “a majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence were UCC,†you will discover the “UCC” designation is in error and that in every case, those signers determined to be Congregationalists were so designated by the Congregationalist Library with no source cited.
You might also look into when the Congregationalist Library was established and for what purpose.
I have no beef with Congregationalists. But I am always suspicious when overblown claims hit the table. It is a strong indicator that we are about to take a ride to a strange conclusion based on a false premise.
Plus, the whole exercise is interesting, but a sideshow.
David’s original effort here was to say in effect, “Congregationalists are super duper important in American history, therefore Wright and Trinity UCC can’t possibly be vile, anti-American, hate-mongering racists.” Bzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. Even if the premise were true (and you guys are doing a fine job examining it), the conclusion of exonerating Wright and Trinity in NO way follows.
I’m confused. The right complains that Democrats are godless and hate Jesus. Then when they talk about their faith they get attacked for that too. There’s no issue here. Just an attack machine that will pounce on anything a liberal does. Is there anything left to conservatism besides hating liberals? I don’t see it. You’ve abandoned all your principles over the years and have nothing left to run on but fear and liberal-bashing. Sad.
Obama is cynically and hypocritically using religion for political gain after his supercilious comments about people “bitterly clinging to religion” (I’m paraphrasing). And his true religious beliefs, if he has any, remain unclear. Is he a Muslim? Is he a Christian? Is he a Flying Spaghetti Monsterist?
He actually claims he is doing the lord’s work? Socialism is the Lord’s work? Calling your grandma a racist and then calling her a “typical white person” (how Jeffersonian—George, not Thomas—of him) is the lord’s work? If that’s the Lord’s work then I’m going to become an atheist.
The right complains that Democrats are godless and hate Jesus.
Mainly because they namecall religious people and call them “bitter”, as well as making reference to “superstitious idiots” – plus, as Trace pointed out above, throw screaming hissy fits about “theocracy” when bookshelves behind a candidate appear to look like a cross if you squint hard enough.
Then when they talk about their faith they get attacked for that too.
Mainly because the first makes it obvious that they’re lying on the second.
As I have said before, what really pissed Obama off about Wright was not what Wright was saying; it was his remark that Obama was a politician who would say anything he needed to to get elected.
#33 – “Is there anything left to conservatism besides hating liberals?”
Why yes, Benji. It means making sure that there are no more liberals in charge of the government from the community level on up.
Roll over. Play dead. Good doggie.
Regards,
Peter H.