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	<title>Comments on: Would Different Primary Schedule Have Changed Outcome in Democratic Race?</title>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When 70% of Democrats in ANY state don't vote for your presumptive nominee, how can the MSM deny there is an obvious problem with Obama? The MSM dismisses it as the votes of bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When 70% of Democrats in ANY state don&#8217;t vote for your presumptive nominee, how can the MSM deny there is an obvious problem with Obama? The MSM dismisses it as the votes of bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that the schedule of primaries and caucuses definitely impacted the race between Hillary and Obama.  I didn't hear what state was being referred to but last night one of the talking heads on CNN said this might have been a different ballgame had such and such a state held its primary in February.

And I am still on my soapbox about the caucuses -- the most undemocratic part of the process by which we choose the leaders of our democracy.  The situation impacts the Democratic Party more than Republicans but as long as there are caucuses Republicans should be worried.

I mentioned election day in a comment to your post about what kind of vote Hillary would get that I was also curious about what kind of support John McCain would get.  In the comment I mentioned that I thought Nebraska was also holding a primary Tuesday.  

McCain took 76 percent of the vote in West Virginia, which isn't that good considering he's the presumptive GOP nominee and has no one actively running against him.  He did much better in Nebraska, taking a little over 83 percent of the vote.

When I checked the Omaha World-Herald for Tuesday's primary results in Nebraska I was very surprised to see that Nebraska also held a Democratic presidential primary (I'm thinking it's required by law).  It was just a beauty contest since Nebraska's Democratic delegates were chosen in February caucuses.  The difference supports my argument against caucuses.

In the February caucuses, Obama took 68 percent of the vote -- one of his strongest performances.  But in yesterday's primary he and Hillary were almost tied.  He got 49 percent and she took 47 percent of the vote.  Hillary carried 61 of Nebraska's 93 counties and would have won but for Obama's 4,000 vote margin in Omaha.  In February, Obama won the caucuses in 61 of the 93 counties.

I don't think Hillary picked up strength because of Rev. Wright, Obama's elitist comments in San Francisco, etc.  I know a lot of people in Nebraska becauses I have business operations there  A lot of people who supported Hillary were complaining because it was so difficult for working people with children to find the time to attend the caucuses but dropping by polling places during a primary would not have taken much time.

My closest friend lives in Kansas and it was even worse there.  Leftists in charge of the Democratic organization scheduled the caucuses by state senate districts instead of counties.  That favored the cities, especially the larger cities with black populations and universities.  Rural voters, who we now know strongly favor Hillary, were forced to drive long distances to participate in the two-hour-long caucuses and were thus discouraged.  And there was a blizzard in much of Kansas that night, really curtailing long drives by rural residents.  It's no wonder Obama took 70 percent of the vote.

And, most importantly, I'd like to find a caucus set-up in the nation that 1) had a procedure for absentee voting; 2) provided absentee ballots for military personnel serving overseas; 3) provided transportation to the caucus sites for the elderly and disabled; 4) kept an accurate record of which registered voters cast votes.

I mentioned the 4th item because I've heard stories of college students voting at caucuses in states where they're attending school and then voting again by absentee ballot in primaries where their homes are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that the schedule of primaries and caucuses definitely impacted the race between Hillary and Obama.  I didn&#8217;t hear what state was being referred to but last night one of the talking heads on CNN said this might have been a different ballgame had such and such a state held its primary in February.</p>
<p>And I am still on my soapbox about the caucuses &#8212; the most undemocratic part of the process by which we choose the leaders of our democracy.  The situation impacts the Democratic Party more than Republicans but as long as there are caucuses Republicans should be worried.</p>
<p>I mentioned election day in a comment to your post about what kind of vote Hillary would get that I was also curious about what kind of support John McCain would get.  In the comment I mentioned that I thought Nebraska was also holding a primary Tuesday.  </p>
<p>McCain took 76 percent of the vote in West Virginia, which isn&#8217;t that good considering he&#8217;s the presumptive GOP nominee and has no one actively running against him.  He did much better in Nebraska, taking a little over 83 percent of the vote.</p>
<p>When I checked the Omaha World-Herald for Tuesday&#8217;s primary results in Nebraska I was very surprised to see that Nebraska also held a Democratic presidential primary (I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s required by law).  It was just a beauty contest since Nebraska&#8217;s Democratic delegates were chosen in February caucuses.  The difference supports my argument against caucuses.</p>
<p>In the February caucuses, Obama took 68 percent of the vote &#8212; one of his strongest performances.  But in yesterday&#8217;s primary he and Hillary were almost tied.  He got 49 percent and she took 47 percent of the vote.  Hillary carried 61 of Nebraska&#8217;s 93 counties and would have won but for Obama&#8217;s 4,000 vote margin in Omaha.  In February, Obama won the caucuses in 61 of the 93 counties.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Hillary picked up strength because of Rev. Wright, Obama&#8217;s elitist comments in San Francisco, etc.  I know a lot of people in Nebraska becauses I have business operations there  A lot of people who supported Hillary were complaining because it was so difficult for working people with children to find the time to attend the caucuses but dropping by polling places during a primary would not have taken much time.</p>
<p>My closest friend lives in Kansas and it was even worse there.  Leftists in charge of the Democratic organization scheduled the caucuses by state senate districts instead of counties.  That favored the cities, especially the larger cities with black populations and universities.  Rural voters, who we now know strongly favor Hillary, were forced to drive long distances to participate in the two-hour-long caucuses and were thus discouraged.  And there was a blizzard in much of Kansas that night, really curtailing long drives by rural residents.  It&#8217;s no wonder Obama took 70 percent of the vote.</p>
<p>And, most importantly, I&#8217;d like to find a caucus set-up in the nation that 1) had a procedure for absentee voting; 2) provided absentee ballots for military personnel serving overseas; 3) provided transportation to the caucus sites for the elderly and disabled; 4) kept an accurate record of which registered voters cast votes.</p>
<p>I mentioned the 4th item because I&#8217;ve heard stories of college students voting at caucuses in states where they&#8217;re attending school and then voting again by absentee ballot in primaries where their homes are.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quiet thread.  Might have been one too many on this general topic, LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quiet thread.  Might have been one too many on this general topic, LOL</p>
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