Remember when the self-important, esteemed Internationalist and French-loving John Kerry made the following statement in the 2004 Presidential debates?
“No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded — and nor would I — the right to preempt in any way necessary, to protect the United States of America,” the Democrat told moderator Jim Lehrer during the debate.
“But if and when you do it, Jim, you’ve got to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people, understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.”
Hmmm…… I forgot that Kerry was against the “global test” before he was for it.Â
In any case, it appears that our friend Senator Obama has his own version of “the global test.”
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.”
So whereas John Kerry was debating himself about ceding America’s right to self-defense, Obama has taken the Kerry Doctrine one step further by ceding to the World one of our three inalienable rights: the pursuit of happiness.
I think the esteemed Constitutional lawyer needs to go back and read the Declaration of Independence.
PS – I keep my house at 70 degrees at all times. I dare President Obama to come and take my thermostat — over my cold, dead body.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
He went on chiding the US for using 25% of the worlds resources for just 3% (he even got that wrong, we’re 5%) of the worlds population.
I hear that over and over — at home and abroad.
Ever wonder what the world gets for it’s investment?
DKK
***“No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded — and nor would I — the right to preempt in any way necessary, to protect the United States of America,†the Democrat told moderator Jim Lehrer during the debate.
“But if and when you do it, Jim, you’ve got to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people, understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.â€***
Everything before “but” is bullshit. Proof positive above. Are American liberals really that stupid? Their politicians are depending on it.
I think I have a solution.
1) We won’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want at all times. We will only eat as much as we want when not driving our SUVs.
2) We will not keep our homes at 72 degrees at all times. We will allow people to choose the temperature they desire. We can make “offset” thermostats so that people who like it a bit warmer can sell their degree credits to a former presidential candidate and he can sell them to the degree needy for a profit.
3) We will install a perpetual poll on c-span of all actions taken by the President, the executive branch, the legislative branch, the judicial branch, Taco Bell, Exxon, Wal-Mart, Whole Foods, Kinko’s, Microsoft and Ben and Jerry’s. This poll will be constantly updated through satellite hook-up and it will measure what the rest of the world thinks. Anything below 51% approval automatically prompts a “cease and desist” order. Of course, the government can buy “cease and desist offsets” from the United Nations.
Ah, so the real danger of obesity in this country isn’t poor health. It’s retaliation from angry countries who will righteously attack us in the noble quest of unclogging our arteries. Thanks for the clarification.
There’s no way in hell I’d ever let some Third-World turd tell me what to do in my own country.
Libtards are so afraid of offending anyone* that they would virtually cede our sovereignty to them at a moment’s notice.
*except conservatives
Regards,
Peter H.
Obama, in effect, WANTS TO LOWER U.S. LIVING STANDARDS. Let the whole world be Third-World.
Let no one claim, in 2010 or 2013, that they weren’t warned.
Can I say Jimmy Carter version 2?
People in other countries would like to be able to drive SUVs, eat as much as they want, and keep their homes at 72 degrees at all time. But they have no roads, food, or homes, in no small part due to the ideology of people like Barry-O.
Malaise….. Mmmmm. The perfect condiment for ham and swiss. Oops, I forgot, there won’t be any more of those.
I guess I should point out that a good part of that fuel that keeps your apt at a comfy 70 degrees goes to countries that then give some of that money to terrorists. At the same time we borrow the money to maintain this lifestyle from the Chinese. That doesn’t sound very good nor very conservative to me. I guess you can do whatever you want but you’re too smart to pretend that what you do doesn’t have consequences.
Rules and rationing are always for others to do with these Socialist meatheads. I live in the city. I barely use either heat or air conditioning. I take public transport and I daresay that my food consumption produces a far smaller carbon footprint than your average grazer of imported arugula. But I do these things because they benefit me. Put a gun to my head and I just might react, you know, adversely. All this while Barry jetsets and Al Gore heats his lonely pool through the Tennessee winters. Not to mention that US agriculture feeds the world. Who will do that if we do not? No one.
Hey, shouldn’t we set up a system of terrorism credits for oil suppliers who don’t pass some of their profits on to terrorists.
Silly Chinese. They are being s-o-o-o-o duped! Can’t Pelosi and Reid stop this?
We should all wear an “inconclusive truth” body condom 24/7. (But there must be government paid insurance against failure in case we try to eat or breathe.)
Seriously, whose fault is that? Hint: *DEMOCRATS*. (“No nukes”. No Alaska drilling. No new oil refineries. Other excessive regulations, prohibitions, and anti-free-market policies. You get the idea.)
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.â€
The thing is, John McCain feels pretty much the same way. Remember his Global Warming speech last week?
(Oh… and not to mention the Democrat policies of appeasement that give terrorists encouragement, undermine U.S. and international efforts to keep the money from reaching terrorists, etc.)
I kind of surprised myself when I heard Obama’s remarks about SUVs, food and thermostats. While Obama as president scares me, this was one of the few times since he came on the scene that I found myself agreeing with him. Although the usually-articulate junior senator from Illinois did a lousy job expressing what a friend in his campaign later told me Obama was trying to say.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think Obama was trying to say that people in other countries have a right to dictate the vehicles we drive, our calories intake and whether we’re cold in the winter and sweaty in the summer.
I actually felt guilty, squirming a little as I thought, by god, the guy’s talking about me.
Here’s what I think he meant (but was off message because of his fatigue and the nature of the event where the statement was made): like it or not, we are part of the world community. As developing economies in that community add to the demand for limited resources the day may come when competition for resources involves more than who is willing to pay what. How, for example, will we, in competition with India, convince Nigeria that we are entitled to consume a quarter of all the oil currently pumped if there is a strong perception around the world that we arrogantly waste a lot of what we consume.
When it comes to refined gasoline, too many Americans, particularly among my fellow Republicans, put the emphasis on new supplies rather than conservation. And I’m not doing some Gore-like preaching; I’m among the most guilty. When I’m home I drive a three-ton, four-passenger sedan that on flat and straight highways will on a good day get 12 miles to the gallon. The much lighter car I drive here at our summer home on the Plains gets pretty good mileage and provides all the comfort and luxury a man should need but I just can’t bear the thougt of ditching that gas-guzzler down in the Sunbelt.
Just the other day at Wal-Mart I parked next to a Lincoln pick-up truck and passed a Hummer as I was leaving. I must admit I wondered if the owners of big SUVs and pick-up trucks ever think about downsizing in order to conserve fossil fuels.
And I don’t think Obama was suggesting we let Europeans, for example, tell us what to eat. I think he was talking about how much food Americans waste. I don’t have it at my fingertips but somewhere I read that most of us throw away as much food as we consume. Include me. Last night was a good example. I only like the green part of a head of lettuce and las I made the dinner salad I noticed that I threw away most of two heads of lettuce.
One of the worse things is how we’ve bought into the fraud perpetrated by farm state members of congress and business lobbyists that we can maitain our lifestyle by converting renewable resources (corn and soybeans) into biofuels. We use federal funds (some of which is no doubt borrowed from China) to subsidize companies who produce alcohol and biodiesel and have helped force higher prices for food, including grain-fed fowl and livestock without any reduction in the amount of oil we have to import.
And we waste huge amounts of energy every year by insisting on keeping our home and office thermostats on ridiculous settings. In weatherized structures free of drafts and air leaks the truth is a person can be comfortable setting air-conditioners at 78 degrees and furnaces at 68 degrees. Just ask your local utility how much energy and money could be saved at 78/68 instead of staying at 72 year-round.
It will be a lot easier to compete for declining resources if we are less selfish and arrogant. Just because we (still) have the money to buy it or the military might to take it doesn’t mean we have to have it.
The remarks attributed to Democrat and Presidential candidate Barack Obama are quite telling about him – everyone else should sacrifice to assure his life of luxury.
Thank you for your time.
#16 – Trace, if that is what makes you feel good, then go ahead and do it. My problem with the Obama plan is that it is state-mandated and not a “voluntary” program. Just another step down the slippery slope to socialism.
Regards,
Peter H.
Trace, reading your own meaning(s) into the Obamessiah’s vague pronouncements is dangerous.
But: WHY would we ever want to “convince Nigeria that we are entitled to consume their oil”, apart from what we are willing and able to pay for their oil in world markets? Only imperialism (the real kind – the bad kind) could ever “convince” them to reserve it for us, regardless of market prices. I’d never want that.
It’s really simple: Let markets work. Let the market take care of it. As developing economies become more developed, yes, our money will compete with theirs – tending to drive up prices for resource X. Higher prices will encourage *appropriate* levels of efficiency and economical use. Also – if, and only if, market forces are permitted to work – higher prices should also call forth new production / supply, as well as the discover of meaningful and appropriate alternatives.
All of that is Economics 101. Free Enterprise 101. It’s an organic process – if government would only step out of the way, and let it work. But Obama seems not to understand none of that.
I’m afraid you also don’t understand it. WHY should they think in such terms? We already have something that decides-and-imposes appropriate levels of conservation on people, and it is called “prices”. If you have the money for a gas-guzzling car at current fuel prices, AND, if YOU PREFER to spend your own money in that way, you should be able to. If you prefer not to, then don’t. Let others have the same freedom. And if more Indian or Chinese consumers wanted to, and were able and willing to pay, gas would go up to $5 or $6 and you could then re-evaluate YOUR choices accordingly.
That, sadly, is close to the truth. Biofuel subsidies are a wrong-headed intervention into markets – a disruption of market forces if you will – that are causing food prices to go up, the world over.
Of course, higher food prices will tend in increase efficiency in food use, so this type of self-flagellation:
is, again, totally unnecessary. IF and when it is necessary for us to be more efficient in food use, real food prices will kindly inform us – by being higher.
Peter, #18, while Obama tilts toward socialism if he embraces what the Rev. Wright was preaching to him all these years, unless I missed part of Obama’s speech, his reference to SUVs, food and the thermostat was in the context of values and attitudes. I came away from his speech feeling that maybe I should get rid of my Maybach 62 not that he proposed making me.
I think the next president, whoever it is, needs to seriously consider a hefty gas guzzler penalty. Lightning will probably strike me as I type this but for the first time ever I am going to say something nice about Al Gore. A lot of problems we’re facing might not exist had his proposal for a 50 cents per gallon gas tax been adopted. Conservation would no longer be the four letter word it is for so many Americans.
ILoveCapitalism, #19, we’re not really at odds and I, too, very mich love capitalism…it has made life very, very comfortable for our family. The difference in this discussion is that you see the glass half full and write about the way things ought to be. I see the glass half empty and write about where I see the country headed as more and more countries compete with us for a smaller supply of oil. And I fear that the looming struggle to obtain energy will look like games on a school playground compared to what my grandchildren (or maybe my children) will fitness when nations start competing for access to potable water.
Of course not.
He was suggesting Democrats should tell us what and how much we can eat/drive/consume. As they are already doing.
Oh I absolutely will! Because I know that consumption, and particularly Ameican consumption is the engine that drives the world economy and is responsible for lifting hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty.
The more people consume, the more people around the world work, and eat, and consume.
And I know that it is economic progress that makes society cleaner and “greener”. It is the developed nations of the world, that are the cleanest on Earth because only they have the resources necessary to fund the luxury of environmental protection.
And I know there is no such thing as “limited resources” because it is economic and technological advances that have made it possible to produce far more food on far less land. I know that America produces far more food than it needs, that there are far more trees in America than there were 100 years ago, that the air and water are far cleaner than they were 100 years ago, and that we get more energy out of less than ever before.
Democrats on the other hand, want us to cut back drastically on our consumption. The consequences of which will be to halt economic progress, thwart environmental progress, and most importantly, thrust hundreds of millions around the world back into the poverty and starvation they had been escaping.
Yes, I am too smart to think that what I do doesn’t have consequences. That is why I am conservative. If only liberals were smart enough to realize that their policies also have consequences — invariably for the worse — but they are neither smart enough, nor care enough.
There is a reason God told us to be fruitful and multiply. It makes the world better, not worse.
Gee, it must suck for Trace Phelps to have to live with all the rich white liberal guilt all the time. I guess I’m lucky I had to work my way out of more challenging socio-economic circumstances, and thus am immune to it. I guess it’s easy for him to tell the working class what they *should* be driving and what they *should* be paying for gas, and probably what they *should* eat and how many kids they *should* have as well.
Despite what he may have been raised to believe, the little people are generally smart enough to work through problems on our own and the best thing the government could do is get out of the way. There’s no sane reason we shouldn’t be drilling in ANWR and off the coasts. There’s already work being done on bioengineering bacteria to produce fuel from waste. Coupled with efficiency improvement, we should be able to get by just fine without lectures or mandates from Barack Obama (who drove a gas-guzzling Chrysler hemi before someone pointed out the hypocrisy), or Al “Gulfstream” Gore or John “Eight Houses” McCain.
“technological advances that have made it possible to produce far more food on far less land.”
While destroying the family farm.
“that there are far more trees in America than there were 100 years ago, that the air and water are far cleaner than they were 100 years ago,”
Indeed, and a large part of that is due to the kicking and screaming of liberals and environmental kooks to wake up the people of this country who in turn forced the companies to do something about it. It wasn’t because all of a sudden the conglomerate monsters with billions of dollars of profit suddenly decided to clean up the horror that they caused. Certainly technological advances were also responsible for the change.
“I know…” “I know…”
You know so much but you still can’t rise above the Democrats and liberals are poopie mentality. Sad.
Be fruitful and multiply does not mean go forth destroy creation.
“one of our three inalienable rights: the pursuit of happiness”
Then we need to take a vast majority of our laws off the books. Drug laws, rape laws, pedophilia laws etc. and gay marriage is no longer an issue and you are now free to marry your goat or dish of ice cream.
The pursuit of happiness combined with me first, f*(& everybody else is called anarchy. Something I don’t believe was intended by the folks who wrote the documents our country is founded on. Then again, much of conservative thinking as represented on this site has no resemblance to those documents either so I should be surprised by anything that is said.
Trace (#16),
Bush also chided us for a “oil addiction”, but there is a big difference in what he said and Obama’s suggestion that the world will somehow punish us for our wastefulness. To me, there was a little taste in Rev. Wright in there. We brought 9/11 on ourselves, and we’re going to reap what we sow with our SUVs, food consumption, and A/C too.
I don’t buy for a minute that excuse of “what he really meant to say was…” It seems that Obama’s team has to increasingly “clarify” his remarks as he continues to reveal his true beliefs beyond the pretty words of his speeches.
If you felt some guilt pangs after his speech, then by all means take some personal responsibility and make some changes. You have choices; use them wisely. When I bought my car, I was fortunate enough to have plenty of money, so I bought a hybrid instead of the higher up luxury model. As my light bulbs burn out, I’m replacing them with CFLs. I use reusable grocery bags. I make extra trips to recycling center to recycle my fluorescent bulbs and cardboard because my normal pick up doesn’t take them.
Do I do these things because I believe that the sky is falling? No. I bought a hybrid car because it saves me gas money and because I want to use my money to support newer technologies that will eventually pollute less and get us off our foreign fuel dependencies. I use CFLs because, again, it saves me money in the long run and because I want to support newer technologies like the future ultra-efficient LED lights. I use reusable grocery bags because using disposable bags seems wasteful to me. Besides that, they are easier to carry, and they don’t rip open spreading your groceries all over the parking lot. I recycle my fluorescent bulbs because they contain mercury and the cardboard because it seems wasteful to throw it out.
Whenever I hear someone talking about the government solving our problems, which is what Obama wants whether he said it in this particular speech or not, I always have to wonder how we became so helpless as a nation. Why are we so powerless to change our eating and spending habits? Why do we need the government to tell us how to act? We have the amazing ability in this country to take personal responsibility and use our personal choices to influence not only ourselves, but the rest of the world. Part of that power exists at your local polling place. The other exists in your wallet.
Something smells like pure, unadulterated bullshit ’round here. Can’t quite place it’s source though. Trace’s rich bitch persona’s blocking it.
Perfect example of liberal policy preference! Forego the advances that are feeding the world in order to “protect” the “family farm”. I assure you, family farms still exist. Some of them became enormously successful and bought more land, while others remained small and found a niche. Those who couldn’t or wouldn’t find a way to compete sold their land and moved on to something they were better suited for. But liberals would starve the world in order to protect a few from what everyone else recognizes as “life”.
Wrong! there are more trees because “greedy” corporations are planting them to cut down and sell. And the water and air are cleaner because everyone values clean air and water, not just liberals. But how typical of liberals to think they are the only ones who care, when in fact their knee-jerk, emotional responses to everything almost invariably do more harm than good. Take starving the world in order to run their volvos on biofuel for example. Opposing the pipelines that have led to the population explosion of caribou in order to “protect” caribou. Opposing all new energy production in the US, a country with the cleanest technology on Earth, forcing us to become increasingly dependent on countries that produce energy in ways far more harmful to the environment. Causing the deaths of untold millions to malaria because they oppose DDT based on junk science. “Protecting” the starving people of the world from the very disease, drought and pest resistant bio-engineered crops that would feed them because of complete ignorance of science. Or the 4,000 additional deaths per year that are caused by CAFE standards. Just for starters.
I dont believe liberals and Democrats are “poopie”. I believe they are stupid, ignorant, uncaring, and incredibly self-centered for all the reasons above among many others. If they were intelligent or actually cared, they would take the time to find out what actually works rather than all the mastubatory “kicking and screaming” as you call it that they do, not to help anyone, but to FEEL like theyre helping. Two very different things.
Indeed it doesn’t mean that, and it doesn’t accomplish that. As I described above growth and economic progress save creation, and the more we produce and consume, the more creation and mankind will be saved.
#23: “Be fruitful and multiply does not mean go forth destroy creation…The pursuit of happiness combined with me first, f*(& everybody else is called anarchy.”
Typical liberal. Feels free to tell everyone what passages in the Bible mean whether or not he practices any sort of religion himself. Then proceeds to tell us that certain words mean something completely different than what they actually mean.
Dave, “anarchy” doesn’t mean people doing what they are legally entitled to do and inclined to do. Anarchy is acting without any recognition of or restraint from law, government or societal standards. Your definition of “anarchy” is people who refuse to do what they are commanded to do by rich, elitist, hypocritical liberals who claim to “know what’s best.”
Jesus, these people never stop bitching about religion being shoved down their throats when they are randomly assaulted by the sight of a cross displayed somewhere in public (or on private property). But if we don’t unequivocally follow their commands and renounce our own modest material possessions and make sacrifices that the liberals are unwilling to make themselves, then suddenly it’s ANARCHY!
Dave, who do you think you are? I mean, I completely get why people like Sean Penn become so deluded and detached from the real world that they see nothing but nobility in telling others what to do and how to live (and condemning those who SHOCKINGLY refuse to cooperate). I understand the psychology behind that. But where do YOU get it from? What are the circumstances of your life that resulted in you suddenly deciding that you have this extraordinary authority over other people? Is it POSSIBLE that you don’t have to be a mega-rich, international superstar icon to acquire this powerful mandate? I guess just being an annoying, shrieking liberal jacka*s is enough to cause someone like you to decide that you are anointed with absolute moral authority. No wonder so many zeros get sucked into liberalism–the delusion of having such power over other people must be irresistibly intoxicating to people who can’t even think for themselves to begin with.
Seriously, Dave. Dave, I’m bring serious here. FU*K OFF. I mean that. Seriously, just FU*K OFF. Okay? Thanks.
#22: “Gee, it must suck for Trace Phelps to have to live with all the rich white liberal guilt all the time.”
Actually, it’s not that bad. Psychiatric experts agree that the most effective method for coping with the crippling affliction of “rich liberal white guilt” is to take a moment every now and again to think, “Hmmm. Maybe I should drive the Escalade to the 7-11 to get a slurpee, instead of choppering in from above and landing on the roof like I usually do. Hmmm. Nah.” See. There are ways to live with the affliction. It’s not a death sentence. As Trace acknowledged:
#20: “I came away from his speech feeling that maybe I should get rid of my Maybach 62 not that he proposed making me.”
See, as long as Trace takes a moment to THINK about making some kind of sacrifice, then that’s enough. He can still lead a productive life with dignity, and there’s still some time left in the day to criticize other people for the vehicles they selfishly choose to drive. He’s gonna be okay. There’s simply no reason for anyone to have to live with the stigma of “rich white liberal guilt” anymore. There’s no shame in it. These people are heroes.
Remember: You can’t spell “Obamessiah” without “mess”.
Wow, Sean and AE, you take my words and go off into territory that has nothing to do with what I said. I’m actually shocked that you two could be so ridiculously off target. You assume that you know what I was thinking and what I believe. And your responses are to call liberals stupid etc and to tell me to F*&k off. Arrogance and ignorance combined with totally unwarranted hostility, it’s scary to think that there are others like you, but the sad reality is there are, all along the political spectrum. It’s idiotic and a danger to freedom and justice in this country.
I never said even the tiniest thing that could be interpreted by a rational person to mean that I want to force anything on any one, that I am superior or that liberals “know what’s best”. Liberals have ideas of how they think things should be and so do you. The idiotic statements about liberals I read on here show a rabid mentality that believes in absolute dominance over every one else, yet you accuse the “other side” of such an attitude. You ignore history, you ignore real life and you refuse to believe that you are not right on every single point you make. And then you resort to hostile personal attacks because I don’t bow down and agree to every thing you say. This kind of thinking is a threat to everything America stands for. Far from wanting to suppress what you say I wish you had a wider audience, because people need to see this side of “conservatism”. They need to know that behind the veneer of “small gov’t”, fiscal responsibility and “family values” there is a number, hopefully small, of conservatives who are lost in their seething hatred of all things that are not far right. Like the gangs that destroy parts our cities, they have the potential to cause great harm and a lack of respect for others,so brutality in the name of their crusade is acceptable to them . Of course, they, just like the white power groups and the militias and and the Nation of Islam and the rabid right Christians and all the other cults – right, left or out in space, are, and should be, allowed to exist and spout their vomit. Having rational people aware of the lunatics is a good way to ensure that they can’t spread their infection too far. Darkness cannot stand when exposed to the light. This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal, or politics at all really, it’s all about power and because you are so obsessed with having it you project your mentality on others.
I suggest you 1) learn to read what’s really being said, not your interpretation 2) get therapy for your hostility towards those who disagree with you 3) get around more, actually read what various people and groups believe, rather than relying on your bigoted hallucinations of what we are 4 ) try to develop on understanding of the idea that it is good to have various perspectives on issues and civilized people can actually get along despite that and 5) get over yourselves, you’re not all that.
#30 – Just an observation, Dave’s five-point method of dealing with conservatives is the same method that liberals want to use for dealing with terrorists.
And on both counts, he’s wrong.
No wonder Hamas endorsed Obama. That would give them a free ride into Jerusalem.
Regards,
Peter H.
Here is Dave’s Arrogance. He assumes that anyone who has done all five will inevitably become liberal. It never even enters his limited mind that many of us conservatives have, in fact, read extensively, had extensive contact with different cultures, have considered the perspectives of various cultures and individuals and this has, actually, reinforced a conservative worldview.
#30 Dave,
You left one out: You forgot that we only think what we are told to think by Rush Limbaugh.
Gosh, if I lost Rush, I wouldn’t even know how to eat Cheerios. Yeah, its that bad. I used to try to think on my own, but the genius of Michael Moore, John F. Kerry, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Streisand, Bill Moyers, and the MSM was overwhelming and crushing to my weak and wandering ego. AND THEN….Rush came along and took over my thinking process and I have been a happily sedated parrot ever since.
I really liked your list. I am going to post it above every urinal nationwide. Thanks, so much. It was kind of you to share. (In fact, it kind of describes your problem to a “T”.)
What – DAVE, THE KING OF ARROGANCE????? Nah…
Wrong, I never mentioned you by name or otherwise.
They are, and I did no such thing.
Thus I can only assume youre talking about yourself or liberals.
yes, liberalism is. I couldn’t agree more.
Wrong as usual. Both history and real life teach us that the greatest threat to human life and liberty is and has always been powerful centrailized government — which is the very foundation of liberalism and abhorrent to conservatives. Do try to actually learn a little something about history before attempting to cite it.
wrong again. I attacked Democrats and liberalism based on their recorded policy preferences and showed, with facts, how these policies have made the world much worse. I never mentioned you. I think perhaps you are projecting.
I see we’re back to talking about liberalism again.
Sounds like you’re projecting again. I presented facts. Facts do not hate, they just are. People often hate facts when they contradict what they want to believe. You might consider that in relation to your comments.
wtf????
I agree. Rant on!
Again, conservatives want the government to have less power, and individuals to have more — the antithesis of wanting to control others. Liberals want to control everything from what we eat, to what we drive, and how far, to the temperature of our homes. You are projecting your projecting.
I quoted you and addressed your comments directly with facts. You have endulges in a mastubatory rant that has nothing to do with what I said.
the only therapy I need is for them to be out of power so they can no longer attempt force me and everyone else to live our lives according to their dictates. physician, heal thyself!
Tell me anywhere where Ive been wrong about what liberals believe and I’m more than happy to prove you wrong. In the meantime, you should re-read your comments about the “rabid right Christians and other cults”
It is good to have different perspectives, and it is esential to recognize that all perspectives are not equally as good. And I get along famously with almost everyone.
No, I’m not. But I’m pretty darn close 🙂
Hey everyone, it’s pop quiz time! Close you books, eyes up front! Today’s quiz will test your reading comprehension. Below are statements made by two different speakers. Your assignment is to read both statements and answer the multiple choice question that follows. Ready? GO!
Speaker #1: “Arrogance and ignorance combined with totally unwarranted hostility, it’s scary……It’s idiotic and a danger to freedom and justice in this country…….You ignore history, you ignore real life and you refuse to believe that you are not right on every single point you make……….. This kind of thinking is a threat to everything America stands for. ………Like the gangs that destroy parts our cities, ……….brutality in the name of their crusade is acceptable ……….just like the white power groups and the militias and the Nation of Islam and the rabid right Christians………….. actually read what various people and groups believe, rather than relying on your bigoted hallucinations of what we are………..try to develop on understanding of the idea that it is good to have various perspectives on issues and civilized people can actually get along…………â€
Speaker #2: “FU*K OFF.â€
QUESTION: Which speaker is “so obsessed with having power” that he “seeks to project his mentality onto others”?
(a) Speaker # 1.
(b) Speaker # 2.
Pencils down.
Speaker #1. But surely you don’t expect Dave to see it. The very nature of his particular condition (the arrogant need to project his flaws and hatred on others) forbids his seeing it.
DAVE, THE KING OF ARROGANCE?
Also, narrow-mindedness. One thing I have noted about left-liberals is they lack the capacity to question the assumptions that make up their worldview.
“Here is Dave’s Arrogance. He assumes that anyone who has done all five will inevitably become liberal. It never even enters his limited mind that many of us conservatives have, in fact, read extensively, had extensive contact with different cultures, have considered the perspectives of various cultures and individuals and this has, actually, reinforced a conservative worldview.”
News flash for V – I never even implied that actions 1 – 5 would make someone a liberal. In fact I never said that being conservative is wrong.
I’m sure many of you have quite a wide perspective on the world, my post was in response to the disturbed attacks by AE and Sean. And that’s all, it was not a broad condemnation of conservatives had it been it would have made me just like the ignorant folks who condemn all liberals. It would seem to me that when two names are mentioned at the beginning of the comment it would be clear who I was talking to/about. Guess I should have started every sentence with Sean and AE, that might have helped.
Well, this is quite entertaining and I would love to continue providing you with opportunities to display the undeniable truth of every statement I made in my comment but there might be some poor pseudo-conservative wannabe out there who needs to be reading your tiresome, deluded attacks on Obama’s every word so he/she can be properly infected with your illness. I could hope that they would see through it and realize that most of what is said here in no way represents true conservatism, it’s just a pale imitation of Free Republic bilge, necessitated by the fact that the Freepers despise gays even more than they do liberals but it seems that once on the downward spiral to the mindless far right delusion it’s nearly impossible to return to reality.
Fair enough. Dave makes it clear he is only calling AE and Sean “disturbed” and two who do not have a “wide perspective on the world.”
But seven minutes later, Dave is back with a second post to make it clear that
Obviously, this site is being monitored by a higher power. Perhaps, it is time to turn this over to Dr. Phil for mediation. When the life of a “poor Pseudo-conservative wannabe” is brought into play, we must stand back and take a hard look at ourselves.
Maybe it is time for a government panel to be convened. After all, if one can not see the efficacy of “hope” and “change” after so many opportunities to join the crusade, there must be some underlying pathology that could be dangerous to society.
In fact, Dave clearly warns about the far right and its goon-like tactics of riots and mayhem.
If Obama does not get the nomination, we should expect the far right to riot and disrupt the general society. That is the way the far right acts when it gets really upset. I guess. Anyway, watch for Hagee, Dobson, Robertson, the KKK, the neo-Naziis, and the Free Republic to station brutes behind every tree. They are all being trained by Halliburton right now. Cheney is in his secret bunker drawing up plans. Karl Rove has nearly taken over Fox and it will be used as the communications center.
Repent! And ye shall be saved!
Not to pile on poor Dave – even though it is quite tempting to do so – but his type of thinking is so “Prince of Tides.”
Liberals think the way to deal with dangerous tyrants is to send in a sensitive president who will make Ahmadinejad fall in love with him.
And in a case of Peter Repeater Syndrome, Ann Coulter makes the same argument here.
Liberals want to talk to dictators. Conservatives want to defeat them.
I rest my case.
Regards,
Peter H.
As a lifelong NON-conservative, I wouldn’t presume to give my opinion as to who or what constitutes “true conservatism”.
But I am persuaded of this: Dave’s language-perverting, propagandistic 1984 moments… Dave’s disdain for facts, or preference for insult and invective… Dave’s need to saddle conservatives with his own salient characteristics, like his arrogance, narrow-mindedness and hostility… Dave’s belief in Big Government, or advocacy for State-worshipping politicians… together make Dave a net opponent of human freedom, i.e., a true fascist.
32 feet under and he finally decided to stop digging. Shame.
“preference for insult and invective”
tit for tat
“Dave’s need to saddle conservatives with his own salient characteristics, like his arrogance, narrow-mindedness and hostility”
see below
AE says:
“I believe they are stupid, ignorant, uncaring, and incredibly self-centered for all the reasons above among many others. If they were intelligent or actually cared,”
“Dave’s belief in Big Government, or advocacy for State-worshipping politicians”
Um, and I said that when?
“32 feet under and he finally decided to stop digging”
right, under the bull that is spouted by some on here, digging is useless, even the biggest pile of crap no matter how it is covered ultimately starts to stink making it’s true nature obvious – the same will happen to the warped version of conservatism that some on here subscribe to
We know… these ideas come under many names and they all are manifestations of collectivism… Communism, Socialism, Fascism, The New Deal, The Great Society, the War on Poverty, it Takes a Village.
Failures ever time…. yet they keep trying again and again and again. Socialism will never work because individuals are selfish! How many times do you people have to force the square into the circle?
Our Constitution certainly doesn’t empower the Federal Govt to do most of the things its currently doing and the great big wish list of disasters to try again.. and brand new originals… like destroying the health industry.
Yeah.. our Federal Govt works so great now.. LETS MAKE IT BIGGER… LETS MAKE IT CRITICAL FOR OUR VERY HEALTH!
Lets all ignore the fact that the government has debt that exceedes $50,000,000,000,000 (50 Trillian)…
And the Left has done such a great job educating our youths and locking them the state school system unless they could pay to escape.
You guys should check out the Q&A session of any YouTube video where a Conservative is giving a lecture or speech at a University and see the brain dead clones our schools are churning out.. You’ll fucking cry.
But yeah.. we’re supposed to believe that the Democrats give a shit. I’m almost convinced they are deliberately trying to run the country into the ground to make everyone EQUALLY miserable.
I just read that the IRS has deterimined that the speach Obama gave at the United Church of Christ that got the church in trouble with the Tax Law was not the fault of the UCC.
The UCC had discussed the legal issues with Obama before Obama gave his speech and that Obama promised not to give a political speech… and then he went ahead and did so anyway.
What a piece of work this guy is.
“Lets all ignore the fact that the government has debt that exceedes $50,000,000,000,000 (50 Trillian)… ”
No, let’s not ignore it. And why don’t you take a look at the last 30 years – How much did it increase during the reign of the almighy Reagan, how much did it increase in the last 8 years. Go ahead, blame the Democrats and liberals.
Dave.. unlike Leftists.. I dont go running to the past to hide from the challenge facing us in the present and the future.
So great.. you did your blame game.
now what? What has changed?
Vince your implication was that the massive debt was caused by liberal policies, so who is doing the blame game?
The past can show us mistakes that have been made by both parties and both ends of the political spectrum, the guilt for debt is shared and only by understanding that can we move forward. No school of thought has all the right answers but all of them combined could move us forward.
#48: Yeah, because we all know how eager left liberals are to reform the entitlement programs that drive the national debt. /sarc
Whereas for you identifying the “guilty” was the beginning and the end of your examination of the issue, for me it was “what is the condition of the Federal budget and what is the future outlook”
So no.. I wasn’t doing a blame game.. I was a doing a “Let’s not keep repeating that which we know is wrong”
This is where I find debating anythign with the Left to be the most frustrating.
I stated our current debt (T$50) is a clear indication that the Fed Govt is essentially bankrupt.. that there is no way we can continue on this fiscal course.. that there is no way we can create even more massive programs … that for a candidate to not acknoweldge this calls into question their judgement.
But for you the major thing is to go into some detour so that you can assign blame.. like I said.. that’s nice.. you identified the scapegoat… is the country no longer in T$50 debt?
And btw in case you don’t know.. $40 Trillion of that debt is the debt owed to the Entitlement programs… that’s how the Democrats set them up… collect money from the current workers, take out an IOU and get the money needed for the current retirees , and then write another IOU for whatever cash is left and spent that on the current year’s budget.
But unlike the Left, I am also able to blame the GOP for doing to fix it. It would be great to see the Democrats do that once in a while.. actually admit their side has some responsblity for the state of affairs too.
This is why I find the blame guy to be POINTLESS.. We know things are all fucked up now… what the hell is going to be done about it? Why the hell are we pretending that we can afford some national heath care entitlement program. Well I dont pretend. You do. Why.
I am also able to blame the GOP for doing to fix it
s/b
I am also able to blame the GOP for doing NOTHING to fix it
Yeah it’s so obvious isn’t it… the way he totally avoids having to come up with any solution or idea about what to do next , instead dwelling on the fact that I wasn’t spending enough time writing detention slips for the bad evil republicans.
“Why the hell are we pretending that we can afford some national heath care entitlement program. Well I dont pretend. You do.”
I do? And when did I say that?
Well do you or not?
no, but something has to be done