I do? And when did I say that?

#48: Yeah, because we all know how eager left liberals are to reform the entitlement programs that drive the national debt. /sarc

Comment by V the K — May 26, 2008 @ 3:05 pm - May 26, 2008

Yeah it’s so obvious isn’t it… the way he totally avoids having to come up with any solution or idea about what to do next , instead dwelling on the fact that I wasn’t spending enough time writing detention slips for the bad evil republicans.

s/b

I am also able to blame the GOP for doing NOTHING to fix it

Vince your implication was that the massive debt was caused by liberal policies, so who is doing the blame game?

Whereas for you identifying the “guilty” was the beginning and the end of your examination of the issue, for me it was “what is the condition of the Federal budget and what is the future outlook”

So no.. I wasn’t doing a blame game.. I was a doing a “Let’s not keep repeating that which we know is wrong”

This is where I find debating anythign with the Left to be the most frustrating.

I stated our current debt (T$50) is a clear indication that the Fed Govt is essentially bankrupt.. that there is no way we can continue on this fiscal course.. that there is no way we can create even more massive programs … that for a candidate to not acknoweldge this calls into question their judgement.

But for you the major thing is to go into some detour so that you can assign blame.. like I said.. that’s nice.. you identified the scapegoat… is the country no longer in T$50 debt?

And btw in case you don’t know.. $40 Trillion of that debt is the debt owed to the Entitlement programs… that’s how the Democrats set them up… collect money from the current workers, take out an IOU and get the money needed for the current retirees , and then write another IOU for whatever cash is left and spent that on the current year’s budget.

But unlike the Left, I am also able to blame the GOP for doing to fix it. It would be great to see the Democrats do that once in a while.. actually admit their side has some responsblity for the state of affairs too.

This is why I find the blame guy to be POINTLESS.. We know things are all fucked up now… what the hell is going to be done about it? Why the hell are we pretending that we can afford some national heath care entitlement program. Well I dont pretend. You do. Why.

The past can show us mistakes that have been made by both parties and both ends of the political spectrum, the guilt for debt is shared and only by understanding that can we move forward. No school of thought has all the right answers but all of them combined could move us forward.

So great.. you did your blame game.

now what? What has changed?

No, let’s not ignore it. And why don’t you take a look at the last 30 years - How much did it increase during the reign of the almighy Reagan, how much did it increase in the last 8 years. Go ahead, blame the Democrats and liberals.

The UCC had discussed the legal issues with Obama before Obama gave his speech and that Obama promised not to give a political speech… and then he went ahead and did so anyway.

What a piece of work this guy is.

Liberals have ideas of how they think things should be and so do you.

We know… these ideas come under many names and they all are manifestations of collectivism… Communism, Socialism, Fascism, The New Deal, The Great Society, the War on Poverty, it Takes a Village.

Failures ever time…. yet they keep trying again and again and again. Socialism will never work because individuals are selfish! How many times do you people have to force the square into the circle?

Our Constitution certainly doesn’t empower the Federal Govt to do most of the things its currently doing and the great big wish list of disasters to try again.. and brand new originals… like destroying the health industry.

Yeah.. our Federal Govt works so great now.. LETS MAKE IT BIGGER… LETS MAKE IT CRITICAL FOR OUR VERY HEALTH!

Lets all ignore the fact that the government has debt that exceedes $50,000,000,000,000 (50 Trillian)…

And the Left has done such a great job educating our youths and locking them the state school system unless they could pay to escape.

You guys should check out the Q&A session of any YouTube video where a Conservative is giving a lecture or speech at a University and see the brain dead clones our schools are churning out.. You’ll fucking cry.

But yeah.. we’re supposed to believe that the Democrats give a shit. I’m almost convinced they are deliberately trying to run the country into the ground to make everyone EQUALLY miserable.

tit for tat

“Dave’s need to saddle conservatives with his own salient characteristics, like his arrogance, narrow-mindedness and hostility”

see below

AE says:

“I believe they are stupid, ignorant, uncaring, and incredibly self-centered for all the reasons above among many others. If they were intelligent or actually cared,”

“Dave’s belief in Big Government, or advocacy for State-worshipping politicians”

Um, and I said that when?

“32 feet under and he finally decided to stop digging”

right, under the bull that is spouted by some on here, digging is useless, even the biggest pile of crap no matter how it is covered ultimately starts to stink making it’s true nature obvious - the same will happen to the warped version of conservatism that some on here subscribe to

Well, this is quite entertaining and I would love to continue providing you with opportunities to display the undeniable truth of every statement I made in my comment but ….

32 feet under and he finally decided to stop digging. Shame.

But I am persuaded of this: Dave’s language-perverting, propagandistic 1984 moments… Dave’s disdain for facts, or preference for insult and invective… Dave’s need to saddle conservatives with his own salient characteristics, like his arrogance, narrow-mindedness and hostility… Dave’s belief in Big Government, or advocacy for State-worshipping politicians… together make Dave a net opponent of human freedom, i.e., a true fascist.

Liberals think the way to deal with dangerous tyrants is to send in a sensitive president who will make Ahmadinejad fall in love with him.

And in a case of Peter Repeater Syndrome, Ann Coulter makes the same argument here.

Liberals want to talk to dictators. Conservatives want to defeat them.

I rest my case.

Regards,
Peter H.

In fact I never said that being conservative is wrong.
I’m sure many of you have quite a wide perspective on the world, my post was in response to the disturbed attacks by AE and Sean. And that’s all, it was not a broad condemnation of conservatives had it been it would have made me just like the ignorant folks who condemn all liberals.

Fair enough. Dave makes it clear he is only calling AE and Sean “disturbed” and two who do not have a “wide perspective on the world.”

But seven minutes later, Dave is back with a second post to make it clear that

most of what is said here in no way represents true conservatism

Obviously, this site is being monitored by a higher power. Perhaps, it is time to turn this over to Dr. Phil for mediation. When the life of a “poor Pseudo-conservative wannabe” is brought into play, we must stand back and take a hard look at ourselves.

Maybe it is time for a government panel to be convened. After all, if one can not see the efficacy of “hope” and “change” after so many opportunities to join the crusade, there must be some underlying pathology that could be dangerous to society.

In fact, Dave clearly warns about the far right and its goon-like tactics of riots and mayhem.

If Obama does not get the nomination, we should expect the far right to riot and disrupt the general society. That is the way the far right acts when it gets really upset. I guess. Anyway, watch for Hagee, Dobson, Robertson, the KKK, the neo-Naziis, and the Free Republic to station brutes behind every tree. They are all being trained by Halliburton right now. Cheney is in his secret bunker drawing up plans. Karl Rove has nearly taken over Fox and it will be used as the communications center.

Repent! And ye shall be saved!

News flash for V - I never even implied that actions 1 - 5 would make someone a liberal. In fact I never said that being conservative is wrong.
I’m sure many of you have quite a wide perspective on the world, my post was in response to the disturbed attacks by AE and Sean. And that’s all, it was not a broad condemnation of conservatives had it been it would have made me just like the ignorant folks who condemn all liberals. It would seem to me that when two names are mentioned at the beginning of the comment it would be clear who I was talking to/about. Guess I should have started every sentence with Sean and AE, that might have helped.

Also, narrow-mindedness. One thing I have noted about left-liberals is they lack the capacity to question the assumptions that make up their worldview.