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Gay Bashing in Amsterdam goes Unnoticed in US

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 6:54 pm - June 5, 2008.
Filed under: Gay Media,Gay Politics,Gays in Other Lands

While blogging from the Santa Barbara retreat of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, I contended that:

the greatest enemies of gay people are not social conservatives in the West who may question (what they call) our lifestyle and oppose legislation benefiting us, but Islamic theocrats who execute gay people in jurisdictions where they predominate and seek to destroy the nations with political systems which allow us to live freely.

Well, it seems the threat in not just from such theocrats in nations where they hold sway, but also from angry followers of their anti-gay doctrine in Western lands. At that retreat, I met a nice and intelligent Dutch gay lesbian who told me about a gay-bashing on April 30 in the Netherlands. She has since translated articles from the Dutch press (included with links below the “jump”).

At a fashion show to promote tolerance of gay people on April 30, a national holiday in Holland, celebrating the birthday of the late Queen Juliana, a group of ten Muslim youths dragged gay model Mike Du Pree down from the catwalk, beating him up and breaking his nose. A second model who tried to help out was also attacked.

I could find no reference to this beating on any of the gay news web-sites I checked, including 365gay.com, the Advocate, the Washington Blade as well as sites of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) and National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF). (I did searches on each of these sites for “Amsterdam.”) Why is it HRC is so eager to savage John McCain, yet reluctant to condemn real gay-bashing? And such gay-bashing (as our friend Chris Crain knows from first-hand experience) is a growing phenomenon in the Netherlands.

Martin Bosma, gay issues spokesman of the Dutch Party of Freedom (PVV), said as much:

This shows how strong the Islamic gaybashers feel they are. Even at daylight, on Queen’s Day, in the heart of Amsterdam, they strike . . . . The Dutch nationality of the gaybashers of Rembrandt Square should immediately be taken from them and they should be expelled from the country today. The Netherlands can show no mercy for these people who damage our society in this way. Either they will win, or we will win.

Let us hope that Dutch lawmakers show a similar tough attitude toward such thugs. And that gay Americans take notice of the threats our fellows face in nations run by governments officially tolerant of gay people.

UPDATE: Gateway Pundit provides a picture of Mike DuPree.

With appreciation to Glenn for alerting his readers to this important story, part, alas, of a growing trend in Europe.

Click on more to find links to articles in Dutch on this bashing and translations:

May 1, 2008

Gay model dragged down from catwalk

Amsterdam — On Queen’s Day [national holiday, birthday of the late Queen Juliana of the Netherlands], in a side street of Rembrandt Square, a gay fashion show was severely disrupted. The model was dragged down from the catwalk by ten young guys.

The homosexual model Mike du Pree was dragged down from the catwalk by ten young guys. When he wanted to defend himself he got hit several times. A bystander stood up for the victim and a fight evolved. The show was organized precisely to promote tolerance towards homosexuals.

Before things got out of hand, the atmosphere was already tense. The public made comments about the outfits and a couple of models were insulted. The attack on Du Pree was the worst moment. ‘Mike got dragged down by his arm”, says the organizer Jennifer Delano. ‘They pinched him, he defended himself and then the guys of immigrant background started to hit him”. According to her it was a group of ten young guys of Muslim background. The fight didn’t last long, but the police was too late.

Delano doesn’t know yet whether she will organize a fashion show for tolerance ever again. ‘I first need to recover from what happened’, the initiator says. According to her ‘Amsterdam is no longer a tolerant city’. She will officially report the incident to the police and she considers to take legal action against the perpetrators. They are still free to roam.

May 1, 2008. Gay Krant [Gay Newspaper]

Gay man bashed.

UPDATE — On Rembrandt Square in Amsterdam about ten young guys of immigrant background assaulted a participant of a gay fashion show on Queen’s Day. The victim got a broken nose.

The model participated in a fashion show that was precisely organized to promote tolerance towards homosexuals. When model Mike du Pree made his second round, he got dragged from the catwalk, indecently palpated and threatened with violence.

A second model, who came to help, got hit several times. The organization considers to officially report the incident to the police. The police has started an investigation.

Geert Wilders and Martin Bosma, Members of Parliament of PVV (Partij van de Vrijheid/Party of Freedom) have asked questions in Parliament to Secretary of Gay Emancipation Plasterk. PVV gay issues spokesman Martin Bosma: ‘This shows how stong the Islamic gaybashers feel they are. Even at daylight, on Queen’s Day, in the heart of Amsterdam, they strike. Only the hardest measures could turn this sick trend. The words of Laborparty city council member Mahrach this week showed as well how normal it starts to be to see gays as second rate citizens. She argues that homosexual behavior is forbidden. I can’t understand that the Laborparty can sink so low and has these kind of people represent them in the city council. Ms. Mahrach doesn’t share our norms and values. It would be better if she would voluntarily leave our country. Now she is only contributing to a climate that is directed against gays. The Dutch nationality of the gaybashers of Rembrandt Square should immediately be taken from them and they should be expelled from the country today. The Netherlands can show no mercy for these people who damage our society in this way. Either they will win, or we will win”

Questions in Parliament of MP’s Wilders and Bosma to Secretary Plasterk of gay emancipation on the end of Amsterdam as a tolerant city for gays:

  • 1) Have you noticed the article ‘Gay model dragged from catwalk?”
  • 2) Do you agree that it should be seen as a sign of increasing hate of Muslims towards our gays that precisely on an event for gay tolerance, on Queen’s Day, Muslims use violence?
  • 3) Do you agree with the initiators of the event that the incident shows that “Amsterdam isn’t a tolerant city anymore”?
  • 4) Do you agree with Amsterdam Labor City Council Member Yman Mahrach that homosexual behavior is forbidden according to the quran and that it is not up to the public to disagree with that?
  • 5) Do you agree with Party of Freedom that it would be better if Ms. Mahrach and her gay-bashing fellow countrymen would return to their country of origin?
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  1. […] Gay Bashing in Amsterdam goes Unnoticed in US […]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » How Blogs Publicize Gay-Bashing When MSM is Silent — June 8, 2008 @ 2:45 am - June 8, 2008

  2. I am one of the social conservatives referred to above, and it’s unlikely I would been at that show or any like it. Fashion shows are needles-in-the-eyes time for me.

    But despite being 50, I hope that I would have set about them in DuPree’s defense if I HAD been there.

    Comment by Ed the Roman — June 8, 2008 @ 7:50 am - June 8, 2008

  3. That’s pretty funny TGC, every single comment you post on here or on your own blog is so totally unhinged and based on right wing fantasy not reality but I’m the one who is sackless. Think for a moment if you can. The original comment was about how the left and maintream gay press has not properly covered gay bashings by Islamic thugs in other countries. The original article is excellent and correctly pointed out a failing. From there the comments devolved into liberals are evil, Muslims are evil blah blah blah, the same old tired rant. Simple request – show me how you’re doing better. Vince provided links – thank you, I will look at them. The he posts pages of drool from DU which is nothing more than a left wing twin to Free Republic. To use either of those sites and the venom posted on there as an example of the political beliefs they supposedly represent is ridiculous. BTW Vince I believe I have provided tons of info on what I call the toxic sado-christian right, if not I will gladly do so. I have never claimed the left is superior or that fanatic Islam is not a major threat to the world. Fact is, fanatic anything is a threat to the world and it is self-destructive to ignore it from any direction.

    Vince has said I’m a parody, I’m not sure where that puts you TGC because you are one of the few people that makes what I say look completely sane and well reasoned. And I know that reading is difficult for you and I don’t want you to hurt yourself but if you can please show me where I ever blamed Christianity (the religion) for anything. See, the difference is, I can distinguish between those who believe their religion is a force of good and those who use their religion as an excuse to harm others. Try expanding your world view beyond whatever it is you see in that dark place your head seems to be permanently planted.

    Seems to me that conservative bloggers would be more interested in showing how the positions and/or politicians they support will do better than the liberals than in a endless and boring flow of how bad the liberals are.

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:21 am - June 8, 2008

  4. An epidemic of gay-bashing by Muslims in “the most tolerant city in Europe” goes unreported…

    Hone in on that word TOLERANT.

    TOLERANT is a liberal word and an icon of superiority. But it is a stupid concept. Amsterdam “tolerates” drugs, euthanasia, prostitution, pornography, etc. But, shouldn’t it also TOLERATE murder, gay bashing, theft, slavery, pedophilia, disrespect toward Queen Juliana? (“Oh, don’t be such a sophist!”)

    Therefore, in the liberal world of TOLERANCE, you must have an amorphous council of chattering nabobs who ban activities that are not consistent with being tolerant. (We must avoid the concept of intolerance at all costs.)

    Oh, my, but the TOLERANCE of Islam is sacrosanct. However, the inconvenience of Islam having a different set of TOLERANCE rules is something to be…….TOLERATEDsomehow worked out to be consistent with traditional Dutch tolerance.

    To be continued, as the liberal Junebug flits about looking for its sole purpose. (Or is that more like looking for the purpose of its soul?)

    Comment by heliotrope — June 8, 2008 @ 11:23 am - June 8, 2008

  5. Vince, the majority of the links you provided show coverage of the event AFTER it was posted here. Which is not a bad thing at all, it basically follows what I said – show me how conservatives are doing better. It’s clear people read this blog and an article like this one is far more effective at doing good when if focuses on doing that rather than tearing down others. Question, if Kos or HRC were to have covered it wouldn’t y’all still have found something wrong with what they said and torn it apart?

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:37 am - June 8, 2008

  6. Dave, TGC nailed your modus operandi quite nicely in his last paragraph.

    No, instead of recognizing a problem or wondering why the liberal media won’t touch it or offering any cogent insight as to why, you choose the typical liberal, sackless 4 y/o child “Well Republicans/Conservatives are even worser!!!”. No. Don’t accept the fact that liberals are screwing the pooch. Just offer lame-ass defenses, lob some grenades and hope that some folks are too stupid to recognize that you’re just trying to divert attention.

    Case in point: your last statement.

    Question, if Kos or HRC were to have covered it wouldn’t y’all still have found something wrong with what they said and torn it apart?

    Instead of dealing with why Kos and HRC did not cover it, which is a FACT, you start trying to blame “conservatives” and “Christians” using hypotheticals, which are NOT fact.

    When Jacob Robida committed his gay-bashing, screaming leftist gays had a shit fit blaming Christians, even though Robida, by all accounts, was an antireligious person who was as contemptuous of Christianity as gays like yourself are.

    Now, in a case like this, where there is a DIRECT link, nothing is said. NOTHING. Absolutely, positively NOTHING.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 8, 2008 @ 12:19 pm - June 8, 2008

  7. Seems to me that conservative bloggers would be more interested in showing how the positions and/or politicians they support will do better than the liberals than in a endless and boring flow of how bad the liberals are.

    H-m-m-m-m. Is this the way a balanced press would have reported the incident?——-

    On Rembrandt Square in Amsterdam about ten young guys of immigrant background assaulted a participant of a gay fashion show on Queen’s Day.

    Now just why is it necessary in a TOLERANT society to report the “immigrant background”? But then if we do, of course, we must NEVER report “Islamic” because …… because …… because ….

    Dave, liberals have elevated the “lie of omission” to an art form. They call it TOLERANCE. Their concept of a proper Human Rights Commission is to “speak ‘truth’ to power” while ignoring taking on any messy battles with the real evil in the world. Liberals spit freely in the face of a man they know will turn the other cheek. But they always show up late, if at all, when real trouble breaks out.

    Obama is locked into a campaign of “hope” and “change.” No details, no plans, nothing to debate. Wow! I just bet that Obama is opposed to beating up gays. What would he do about it? He would offer “hope” and bring about “change.” You supply the details.

    The conservative would say that beating up gays will not be TOLERATED and those who do will be caught and punished under the law; screw “hope” and “change.”

    My goodness, how liberals do like to ignore things that would require them to take positive action which might taint their status as keepers of tolerance.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 8, 2008 @ 12:54 pm - June 8, 2008

  8. […] NEWS: The Gay Patriot reports that violence against homosexuals in Amsterdam by Muslim “youths” is both on […]

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  9. 14 yrs in Saudi Arabia…
    Little bit of insight into the Muslim mind…
    Cannot tell you how many times I have backed my
    co-pilots into a logical corner and the end of story argument always was… “It’s in the Koran.” Sigh. End of discussion. I was there for the money, honey… Who was I to bet my nice job by arguing against that kind of logic. [heh]
    Im no kind of Koranic scholar but if gay bashing is in the Koran somehow and has been validated by Muslim scholars then forget about changing their minds. As I observed from about 12,000 hours in a cockpit with a Muslim and countless off duty hours with others, Muslims are stuck with a 6-7th century set of beliefs that DO NOT CHANGE over time as Mohammed [the “perfect” man] corrected all previous rules
    under G*ds direct supervision. You gay guys… just ask yourself if you can envision ever in the future strolling into the Muslim parts of Amsterdam. Then check the Muslim birthrate in the Netherlands.

    Comment by Toes — June 8, 2008 @ 3:05 pm - June 8, 2008

  10. From one of the original article translations:

    “…the organizer Jennifer Delano. ‘They pinched him, he defended himself and then the guys of immigrant background started to hit him.’ According to her it was a group of ten young guys of Muslim background.”(Emphasis added)

    And then,

    The words of Laborparty city council member Mahrach this week showed as well how normal it starts to be to see gays as second rate citizens. She argues that homosexual behavior is forbidden. I can’t understand that the Laborparty can sink so low and has these kind of people represent them in the city council. Ms. Mahrach doesn’t share our norms and values. It would be better if she would voluntarily leave our country. Now she is only contributing to a climate that is directed against gays. (Emphasis added)

    So, an apparent eyewitness states that the perpetrators were of muslim background and a muslim city council member has publicly stated an intolerance for homosexuality in any form.

    Dave, that’s what those of us in the center/right call indicators.

    From American Jihad by Steven Emerson:

    “Duran enjoyed the company of fellow Muslims but soon began to doubt their ideology ‘It didn’t ring well in my ears,’ he says. ‘I had grown up in Spain with Franco’s fascism and after a while I began to say to my self, You know, this sounds like the same thing.’“(Emphasis added).

    “‘The fundamentalism of the last half-century is a stranger to Islam,’ he says. ‘It’s based on something entirely different. Basically, it’s a revolt against the modern world…People don’t remember, but the Muslim Brotherhood grew up in Egypt in the 1930s as an imitation of European fascism, which was also a revolt against modernity. In Italy and Germany you had the brownshirts and the blackshirts. In Egypt you had the greenshirts, which was the Muslim Brotherhood. It failed in Europe but survived in Egypt and spread to other parts of the world.’

    I’m really enjoying Philip Bobbitt’s The Shield of Achilles right now. In it he posits that epochal wars are fought to determine which type of government will be successful. That is to say that the Thirty Years War was fought to decide whether princely states or kingly states would dominate just as the previous set of wars was to give princely states the advantage over the city-states of Italy.

    By his analysis, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War are one long epochal war to determine which form of government will prevail–democratic republic, communist state, or fascist state. According to what I’ve read about the Muslim Brotherhood/bin Laden/al Qaeda, we’re actually still fighting WWII/the Long War right now. bin Laden, et al are actually the direct political/spiritual descendants of the fascists of 1930s Europe–we just haven’t won yet.

    When you look at it that way, their set of intolerances makes a great deal of sense. They’re fascists–fundamentally speaking, of course.

    And that should be something that the liberals can get behind.

    Comment by Chris — June 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm - June 8, 2008

  11. ND30, I really have to wonder are some of you one here deliberately stupid or can you just not read? I am NOT contemptuous of Christianity, never have been, never will be and have never said anything that a rational person reading could not understand as being aimed at a particular fanatic group of people who have warped the core teachings of Jesus Christ into a disgusting crusade against all that don’t fit their definition of good. With the exception of the very last sentence what Matt Foreman said is absolutely, totally true and the fact that you can’t see it is what is so scary. Absolutely the same should be said about radical Islam, over and over again and their violent actions should not be tolerated ever but you give a pass to those who hate LGBT people just as much and that is simply stupid.

    The only thing that TGC exposed is that he is so completely impressed by his own bullshit that he can’t see that he was describing himself in that paragraph.

    Heliotrope says:
    “I just bet that Obama is opposed to beating up gays. What would he do about it? ”

    And I’ll ask again, what have any of the conservative politicians done? Are they aware of what is happening in the world, would they care? Or would they have to tiptoe around so they don’t seem to be supporting the “homosexual lifestyle”, just like those on the left don’t want to appear to be against Islam? The contention of many of the comments is that the left does nothing and that is hypocritical – fine, no argument from me. But who is doing a better job? How does asking that question get warped into some bizarre notion that I’m trying to reverse blame – you (collective) made the initial accusation, you placed the blame. If you can’t offer something better then perhaps you should just stop whining about others. Or in the case of some here, vomiting bile about others.

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:26 pm - June 8, 2008

  12. A likely explanation for why American homosexuals and feminists do not speak out for their muslim-oppressed co-religionists is that they are entirely self focused. Appearances are that they cooperate with each other at all not because they care for each other but only to advance their cause. An American homosexual needs a Dutch homosexual like a fish needs a feminist.

    Comment by cantrecant — June 8, 2008 @ 11:35 pm - June 8, 2008

  13. The only thing that TGC exposed is that he is so completely impressed by his own bullshit that he can’t see that he was describing himself in that paragraph.

    Hey, thanks for proving my point.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 9, 2008 @ 4:28 am - June 9, 2008

  14. This shows the peril of getting caught up in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mindset. Leftists have saddled themselves with having to figure out which victim group is more worthy: the anti-imperialist, anti-US, anti-Christendom, Islamic “other”, or the homosexuals that the Islamists are attacking?

    This old adage is useful and necessary at times during war, but many leftists forget that the “enemy of my enemy” is still their enemy. If the conflict cannot bring about a change in that relationship, one must be prepared to meet that enemy head-on once the temporary alliance against a greater foe is over. Leftists may think that’s what they are doing but they are fooling themselves. Islamists will gladly use them to further their goals, just like the communists did, and will turn on them at the first opportunity. A man who draws inspiration from his belief in God, no matter how twisted, will always have a far greater strength in the long run than the rejection of absolute truths which is a staple of the Left.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:10 am - June 9, 2008

  15. TGC:

    Well, I always thought it was their job to tell us and not the other way around. Are they supposed to sit at their desks and wait for news stories to be tossed in over the transom?

    Beats me what the resources at their disposal are. I can easily see many stories being missed because it isn’t reported in English-speaking press. Unless there is more to this, I just don’t think the charge in this one instance is fair.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:12 am - June 9, 2008

  16. Attacking those who don’t agree with you will never contribute to any progress out of the mess the world is in. Some need to do some serious growing up, the sandbox mentality combined with mine is bigger than yours just don’t cut it in the real world.

    Surely you jest, Dave? Such is par for the course from the Left – especially the gay Left! I only hear this crap from liberals when their ox is being gored yet they conveniently ignore this clap-trap when it comes to conservatives – especially gay conservatives.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:16 am - June 9, 2008

  17. Groups like Queers for Palestine are particularly galling and completely absurd. Talk about your unrequited love, huh? You’d think that 110 story skyscrapers collapsing to the stirring sounds of “Allahu Akbar” would be quite attention getting, no?

    I despise that group and cannot ever forget these images on 9/11:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=L4XGyc8tAuk

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:31 am - June 9, 2008

  18. Western minority advocacy organisations long ago lost their way when they all became steeped in the kind of post-modern moral relativism that sees historical ignoramuses graduate universities with degrees in History, and illiterates graduate schools of journalism. That these came groups fail to comprehend how they will – sooner rather than later – be hoist with their own petard is nothing short of breathtaking.

    How long would gay advocacy organisations retain “access” to the halls of government after the Islamofascists have imposed a form of political shari’a in the West. Methinks your Amsterdam gay residents are in a GOOD position – perhaps the BEST position – to answer that question.

    Islam is anti-freedom, anti-individual liberty, and anti-democractic. Too boot, Islam is NOT ONLY a religion and should therefore NOT ENJOY the protections or tax status extended to other relgious institutions.

    Lumping “Islam” in as “just another” religion is pure folly.

    Comment by Simon Fleishmann — June 9, 2008 @ 10:59 am - June 9, 2008

  19. The author Robert Ferrigno addresses this glaring inconsistency of the LGBT community to ignore the (very real) threat posed by the Muslim community and its ever-encroachment of Sharia law in deference to full-throated denouncements of what fundamentalist and evangelical Christians (and yes there is a difference between the two) espouse.

    Comment by SlouchingtowardBoulder — June 9, 2008 @ 11:35 am - June 9, 2008

  20. […] in enlightened Europe – the place some are so eager to emulate and replicate here in America, gays are being bashed and beaten by an evolving element, and the US press is not saying much about it – nor, notes Gay Patriot, are […]

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  21. Some of us have been warning about this for years and years. And we have been called “racist” and “bigot” the whole time. We were mother fucking right. And now the tolerance police have sold gays down the river to calm muslims.

    So, what do we do now?

    Comment by Svend — June 9, 2008 @ 4:11 pm - June 9, 2008

  22. Ah, sweet irony.

    I am NOT contemptuous of Christianity, never have been, never will be and have never said anything that a rational person reading could not understand as being aimed at a particular fanatic group of people who have warped the core teachings of Jesus Christ into a disgusting crusade against all that don’t fit their definition of good.

    Followed, of course, by:

    With the exception of the very last sentence what Matt Foreman said is absolutely, totally true and the fact that you can’t see it is what is so scary.

    What we see is that Jacob Robida, by all accounts, never had anything to do with any of the people who Matt Foreman mentions in his screed, and if anything, was openly contemptuous of them.

    But for the anti-Christian bigot Dave, that doesn’t matter. The anti-Christian bigot Dave has to blame Christians, and so he does, even though it makes blatantly obvious that his words are based on nothing more than his hatred of Christians.

    Further evidence of your bigotry, Dave:

    Absolutely the same should be said about radical Islam, over and over again and their violent actions should not be tolerated ever but you give a pass to those who hate LGBT people just as much and that is simply stupid.

    Again, anti-Christian bigot Dave, you equivocate, claiming that Christians are morally equivalent to Muslims who beat up and kill gays in broad daylight because, according to you, all Christians “hate LGBT people as much”.

    What that nicely illustrates is that it isn’t ACTIONS that bother you; it’s THOUGHTS and WORDS. For you, saying something bad about gays, or even THINKING something bad about gays, is morally and legally equivalent to beating gays up.

    Pure, stinking bigotry. Disgusting. Anti-American. It amuses me to no end that liberal gays like yourself can find a “right to marriage” in the Constitution, but seemingly ignore the First Amendment when you demand that people be legally punished and blamed for crimes with which they had nothing to do for publicly expressing their religious beliefs.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 9, 2008 @ 4:18 pm - June 9, 2008

  23. Unfortunately, the gay media has never been about news reporting. Rather, it’s a political agenda with the objective of turning gays into perpetual victims – whose only source of hope is the democrat party.

    Comment by Mark — June 9, 2008 @ 4:22 pm - June 9, 2008

  24. whose only source of hope is the democrat party.

    And not even then.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 9, 2008 @ 5:42 pm - June 9, 2008

  25. […] through my email network, but that, rather significantly, never made the media — any media. Gay Patriot (who is the sole media outlet for this story) describes what happened: At a fashion show to promote tolerance of gay people on April 30, a national holiday in Holland, […]

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  26. So, ND30, you cleared up all my questions – you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that one can be critical of SOME members of any given group without having to condemn the whole group. I know that you are unable to so so but that doesn’t mean the rest of us are so pinheaded. I never used the word “all”, you cretin, that is your ignorant interpretation of what I said. The enemy is not one religion or another – it is fanatics driven by their desire to control everyone using their religion (or a perverted version of it) as an excuse.

    “saying something bad about gays, or even THINKING something bad about gays, is morally and legally equivalent to beating gays up”

    well actually, if you read the Bible, thinking about is IS morally equivalent to doing it. That aside I don’t, and NEVER have given any indication to a rational reader that is, that I believe people should be punished for their thoughts.

    One last wasted correction. If you actually read the quote that you linked to you would know what the last sentence was and had you actually READ where I said except for the last sentence you would know that all your asinine statements after that were pure lies.

    Whatever, assholes like you deserve what you are going to get from your allies if they grab the power and destroy the USA.

    Comment by Dave — June 9, 2008 @ 9:03 pm - June 9, 2008

  27. Thanks for the death wish , asshole

    Comment by Vince P — June 9, 2008 @ 9:19 pm - June 9, 2008

  28. […] of the state of the media in the Holland, Bruce Bawer observes that the Dutch gay-bashing story we reported last week “had not appeared in major newspapers in the Netherlands” Just as the attack […]

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  29. So, ND30, you cleared up all my questions – you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that one can be critical of SOME members of any given group without having to condemn the whole group.

    Oh, I’m quite aware that that can be done.

    I’m also very aware that that isn’t even remotely close to what you’re doing. You’re an anti-Christian bigot who is trying to spin his bigotry as something other than what it is.

    That might work in the circles in which you run, in which Christians are blamed for everything that happens to gays; however, it’s not going to work here.

    Whatever, assholes like you deserve what you are going to get from your allies if they grab the power and destroy the USA.

    Yes, that’s what you were saying to justify your anti-Christian bigotry in 2000, and eight years later, we’re still here and doing quite nicely.

    If you wanted to deal with what harms and kills the most gays annually, you would attack promiscuous sex and spreading HIV. But that would require you to blame someone other than Christians; worse, it would require you and your bigot friends like Matt Foreman to blame other gays and the liberal gay attitude of encouraging promiscuous sex that you’ve supported.

    Not going to happen.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 10, 2008 @ 1:43 am - June 10, 2008

  30. #76

    Say, sackless fucktard, can you provide examples of gays hung or beheaded in this country by any form of government???

    Face it, your an angry, hate-filled bigot. With each post here, you damn yourself even further. You keep trying to dig yourself out of that grave, but you wind up digging a deeper hole. As I always say, no matter how much you polish a turd, it’s still a turd.

    What’s more, you demonstrate the total lack of interest in the story at hand. You’re proving to us EXACTLY why the liberal left and gay liberals couldn’t give a shit about people who face REAL homophobia and civil rights violations.

    Just come right out and say it – “I don’t give a fuck!!”. You keep beating around the proverbial bush, just eschew obfuscation and come right out and say what you’ve been trying to hide for several posts now. Just tell us that you believe that Republicans and “those evil Christian bastards” you love to hate are, in your mind, more dangerous than the Islamo-fascists. Regale us with stories of the American gay concentration camps.

    Just be honest, you mindless, sick sonofabitch. We know what you really are, just come out of the closet and be honest with yourself and others.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 10, 2008 @ 5:57 am - June 10, 2008

  31. Dave, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    Comment by V the K — June 10, 2008 @ 8:06 am - June 10, 2008

  32. you are too fucking stupid …… are so pinheaded …. you cretin …. assholes like you …..

    Charming.

    #76 clearly has the power of logic and right on the side of his argument, otherwise, he might have stooped to puking bile and name calling.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 10, 2008 @ 11:04 am - June 10, 2008

  33. #82 Heliotrope, TGC taught me everything I know about the proper comment etiquette. But of course it’s totally ok because he is speaking against “liberals”.

    #77 Vince, I was speaking strictly to ND30, and if there is no danger from the sado-christians why would you call it a death wish?

    #80 TGC, your blindness and inability to think outside of your brainwashing is quite astounding. REAL homophobia takes many forms and little one, just like you don’t speak for the right, neither do I speak for the left so blame them for what they do, not me.

    #79 – ND30, I realize now you are clearly challenged when it comes to reading and understanding so I’ll waste no more time responding to your nonsense. You have NO idea what I said in 2000 and what I said is all you can comment on. You have NO idea how I feel about promiscuity, AIDS or anything else for that matter. And you certainly have NO idea how I feel about Christians. But, it makes you feel smart and observant to say the things you do and it certainly helps increase the frenzy of the silly little circle jerk here so have ball.

    #81 V the K, the god that is worshiped on many on here has no mercy on anyone and any god that was created in your image has no business with my soul. “Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.” Ah, I don’t think I have so much power and someone beat me to it anyway.

    To those who contribute articles here, you often have intelligent and interesting things to say and whether I agree or not they are worth reading. Sadly the same cannot be said for a number of those who regularly comment. Keep up the good work.

    Comment by Dave — June 10, 2008 @ 11:38 am - June 10, 2008

  34. the god that is worshiped on many on here has no mercy on anyone and any god that was created in your image has no business with my soul.

    As a person of religion and great interest in the religious beliefs of others, I am interested in the reference you make to your soul.

    How do you know that you have a soul and what greater spiritual force guides it? What religious philosophy may one consult to better understand what undergirds your ethic?

    Comment by heliotrope — June 10, 2008 @ 1:24 pm - June 10, 2008

  35. Didn’t Dave claim to belong to the UCC before? Or am I confusing my Daves.

    Comment by Vince P — June 10, 2008 @ 2:01 pm - June 10, 2008

  36. Yeah, there are at least 3 Dave/Davids around here. Possibly more.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm - June 10, 2008

  37. Well there’s about a minute and a half of my life I won’t get back.

    #82 Heliotrope, TGC taught me everything I know about the proper comment etiquette. But of course it’s totally ok because he is speaking against “liberals”.

    Actually, it’s totally ok because it’s true. What’s more, if my “comment etiquette” is so abhorrent, it stands to reason that one shouldn’t expect better of you, right?

    What’s more, you show us again that you’re blinded by hate and anger and therefore are ignorant.

    I don’t hate you, I feel so damn sorry for you. I sure hope you have somebody who can feed you and put your clothes on for you.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 10, 2008 @ 8:12 pm - June 10, 2008

  38. 84/85 No I never said I belonged to UCC though my family did attend one when I was growing up. As an adult I chose to affiliate with churches that would fall in the Full Gospel/Pentecostal/Charismatic category. Currently I am connected with no church as there are none where I live now that would fall in the above category yet be free of misguided anti-gay teaching. I despise watching Christianity being warped into a nationalist, political and totally anti-human force. It is blasphemy at it’s worst and in the course of history there are multiple examples of the damage it has done. It is the cross wrapped in an American flag that I hate, not those who practice Christianity, not those who honor the Cross and not those who wave the American flag. Religion and gov’t do NOT belong together, people and politicians voting in a manner based on their faith does. And there’s a big difference. Are those who criticize liberation theology accused of hating Christianity? Are those who criticize the softening of some denominational policies accused of hating Christianity? Actually, yeah I’m sure by some they are, but how is it that my feelings towards one sect/teaching among a multitude of Christian variations becomes in the eyes of some a hatred of all Christians? Well, truly it doesn’t matter, because I know how I feel and trying to answer other’s interpretations is futile when their mind is set.

    My ethics are sound and not the issue here. My way of expressing myself is indeed a problem. Admittedly I react with anger when my positions/feelings are attacked and warped, rather than challenged in a rational manner. On that topic, TGC you make me laugh. You can’t even see the contradiction in what you say and the absolute arrogance of your attitude. No, sir, you are not right. Even when you do speak facts you are rude, vicious and disdainful of all that you don’t agree with. You are totally outside the boundaries of civilized discourse and proud of it. Go for it, be yourself, exercise your right and stand up for what you believe but you waste your time trying to justify your presentation while denouncing mine. I know when I go over the edge and when I can do better, do you?

    Comment by Dave — June 10, 2008 @ 10:24 pm - June 10, 2008

  39. What these Muslims did is absolutely disgusting, and I too am extremely shocked that this did not get reported.
    As a gay British conservative living on the south coast of England I am even more surprised that I did not here about this, as Holland is only a stones throw away from me.
    In Britain at the moment and indeed across Europe particularly France, Germany and the Netherlands there is large concern that these Muslims and so called European citizens are taking over. In Bitain alone the number of Muslims is steadily rising, they are given more benifits from the state than any other section of society in Britain, and with a great tidle wave of these parasites flooding into my country, British people feel a dreadful sense of forboding, as these creatures do not wish to intergrate into our western society e.g having respect for women and gay people, people feel they cannot object to it as we are ruled in Britain by an extremely left wing government The Labour Party and any objection would deem a person rascist. Its a terribly frightening fact that our great western society American and European is under deeper threat now than it ever was during world war two.

    Comment by Gabriel Rossetti — March 25, 2009 @ 12:25 pm - March 25, 2009

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  41. It’s interesting to read an article that demands rights for homosexuals, while espousing bigotry against Islam. One would think that those who demand rights would demand them for all. I think the author suffers from what so many today suffer. That is, a complete ignorance of underlying issues and a willingness to attribute immoral action to race, creed, nationality, or what have you. It isn’t anything new, however. You can always rely on hypocrisy when dealing with human beings.

    Comment by A Guest — September 1, 2009 @ 1:56 pm - September 1, 2009

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