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Gay Bashing in Amsterdam goes Unnoticed in US

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 6:54 pm - June 5, 2008.
Filed under: Gay Media,Gay Politics,Gays in Other Lands

While blogging from the Santa Barbara retreat of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, I contended that:

the greatest enemies of gay people are not social conservatives in the West who may question (what they call) our lifestyle and oppose legislation benefiting us, but Islamic theocrats who execute gay people in jurisdictions where they predominate and seek to destroy the nations with political systems which allow us to live freely.

Well, it seems the threat in not just from such theocrats in nations where they hold sway, but also from angry followers of their anti-gay doctrine in Western lands. At that retreat, I met a nice and intelligent Dutch gay lesbian who told me about a gay-bashing on April 30 in the Netherlands. She has since translated articles from the Dutch press (included with links below the “jump”).

At a fashion show to promote tolerance of gay people on April 30, a national holiday in Holland, celebrating the birthday of the late Queen Juliana, a group of ten Muslim youths dragged gay model Mike Du Pree down from the catwalk, beating him up and breaking his nose. A second model who tried to help out was also attacked.

I could find no reference to this beating on any of the gay news web-sites I checked, including 365gay.com, the Advocate, the Washington Blade as well as sites of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) and National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF). (I did searches on each of these sites for “Amsterdam.”) Why is it HRC is so eager to savage John McCain, yet reluctant to condemn real gay-bashing? And such gay-bashing (as our friend Chris Crain knows from first-hand experience) is a growing phenomenon in the Netherlands.

Martin Bosma, gay issues spokesman of the Dutch Party of Freedom (PVV), said as much:

This shows how strong the Islamic gaybashers feel they are. Even at daylight, on Queen’s Day, in the heart of Amsterdam, they strike . . . . The Dutch nationality of the gaybashers of Rembrandt Square should immediately be taken from them and they should be expelled from the country today. The Netherlands can show no mercy for these people who damage our society in this way. Either they will win, or we will win.

Let us hope that Dutch lawmakers show a similar tough attitude toward such thugs. And that gay Americans take notice of the threats our fellows face in nations run by governments officially tolerant of gay people.

UPDATE: Gateway Pundit provides a picture of Mike DuPree.

With appreciation to Glenn for alerting his readers to this important story, part, alas, of a growing trend in Europe.

Click on more to find links to articles in Dutch on this bashing and translations:

May 1, 2008

Gay model dragged down from catwalk

Amsterdam — On Queen’s Day [national holiday, birthday of the late Queen Juliana of the Netherlands], in a side street of Rembrandt Square, a gay fashion show was severely disrupted. The model was dragged down from the catwalk by ten young guys.

The homosexual model Mike du Pree was dragged down from the catwalk by ten young guys. When he wanted to defend himself he got hit several times. A bystander stood up for the victim and a fight evolved. The show was organized precisely to promote tolerance towards homosexuals.

Before things got out of hand, the atmosphere was already tense. The public made comments about the outfits and a couple of models were insulted. The attack on Du Pree was the worst moment. ‘Mike got dragged down by his arm”, says the organizer Jennifer Delano. ‘They pinched him, he defended himself and then the guys of immigrant background started to hit him”. According to her it was a group of ten young guys of Muslim background. The fight didn’t last long, but the police was too late.

Delano doesn’t know yet whether she will organize a fashion show for tolerance ever again. ‘I first need to recover from what happened’, the initiator says. According to her ‘Amsterdam is no longer a tolerant city’. She will officially report the incident to the police and she considers to take legal action against the perpetrators. They are still free to roam.

May 1, 2008. Gay Krant [Gay Newspaper]

Gay man bashed.

UPDATE — On Rembrandt Square in Amsterdam about ten young guys of immigrant background assaulted a participant of a gay fashion show on Queen’s Day. The victim got a broken nose.

The model participated in a fashion show that was precisely organized to promote tolerance towards homosexuals. When model Mike du Pree made his second round, he got dragged from the catwalk, indecently palpated and threatened with violence.

A second model, who came to help, got hit several times. The organization considers to officially report the incident to the police. The police has started an investigation.

Geert Wilders and Martin Bosma, Members of Parliament of PVV (Partij van de Vrijheid/Party of Freedom) have asked questions in Parliament to Secretary of Gay Emancipation Plasterk. PVV gay issues spokesman Martin Bosma: ‘This shows how stong the Islamic gaybashers feel they are. Even at daylight, on Queen’s Day, in the heart of Amsterdam, they strike. Only the hardest measures could turn this sick trend. The words of Laborparty city council member Mahrach this week showed as well how normal it starts to be to see gays as second rate citizens. She argues that homosexual behavior is forbidden. I can’t understand that the Laborparty can sink so low and has these kind of people represent them in the city council. Ms. Mahrach doesn’t share our norms and values. It would be better if she would voluntarily leave our country. Now she is only contributing to a climate that is directed against gays. The Dutch nationality of the gaybashers of Rembrandt Square should immediately be taken from them and they should be expelled from the country today. The Netherlands can show no mercy for these people who damage our society in this way. Either they will win, or we will win”

Questions in Parliament of MP’s Wilders and Bosma to Secretary Plasterk of gay emancipation on the end of Amsterdam as a tolerant city for gays:

  • 1) Have you noticed the article ‘Gay model dragged from catwalk?”
  • 2) Do you agree that it should be seen as a sign of increasing hate of Muslims towards our gays that precisely on an event for gay tolerance, on Queen’s Day, Muslims use violence?
  • 3) Do you agree with the initiators of the event that the incident shows that “Amsterdam isn’t a tolerant city anymore”?
  • 4) Do you agree with Amsterdam Labor City Council Member Yman Mahrach that homosexual behavior is forbidden according to the quran and that it is not up to the public to disagree with that?
  • 5) Do you agree with Party of Freedom that it would be better if Ms. Mahrach and her gay-bashing fellow countrymen would return to their country of origin?
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91 Comments

  1. I’m surrounded by gays who can’t acknowledge the reality of this stuff. That’s my Vermont conclusion. It’s simply easier to hate the less threatening McCain, or Bush than to perceive and accept the reality of the way the world is.

    As Robbie Williams put it in a song lyric:

    “The truth would break you so you lie”

    In this case, the truth will break them so they lie to themselves.

    Comment by Patrick — June 5, 2008 @ 7:05 pm - June 5, 2008

  2. According to her ‘Amsterdam is no longer a tolerant city’.

    she considers to take legal action against the perpetrators. They are still free to roam.

    So Muslim youth, or as they are called:’ten young guys’, are free to disrupt and harm an authorized event on the streets of Amsterdam. They aren’t arrested, no legal charges, and they are free to roam and do more damage.

    If the Gay spokesmen won’t speak up, nobody will. When Sharia is the law of the land in Holland, Anna Franks’ hideout can be put to it’s original use – a real hideout. No longer be a museum to highlight past injustice.

    Comment by Leah — June 5, 2008 @ 7:29 pm - June 5, 2008

  3. I think the response by that party leader would be appropriate. Simply deport these thugs. Fortunately, in the Netherlands, there is no such thing as “birthright citizenship”.

    On the larger issue of Islam, I don’t believe there is a solution short of genocide. If we weren’t so reliant on oil, we could move forward with a policy of isolation. As it is now, we are funding both sides of the “war”.

    Finally, the national gay press fails to notice a lot of hate crimes — both in this country and elsewhere. It hardly seems fair to blame them for neglecting this assault in Amsterdam.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2008 @ 7:29 pm - June 5, 2008

  4. The Dutch govt is paralysed by the Islamic issue. They are afraid to do anything.

    It is precisely this issue (Islam vs the World) that I supported Bush all these years, despite all else he has done.

    If our economy is destroyed, it could always be recovered.. if the govt gets too big, it could always be downsized. If bad laws are passed or bad judges appointed, corrections can always be made.

    What won’t be reversible are the deaths caused by Muslims engaging in Jihad. or the surrendering of our culture to sharia law.

    This is what annoys me the most about the Left , especially the occasional pussy who comes in here (Like markie or Kevin). They are living on a dream world if they think they could continue to pretend that this stuff isn’t happening and not have our nation suffer from the division and disunity they cause.

    Comment by Vince P — June 5, 2008 @ 7:50 pm - June 5, 2008

  5. Finally, the national gay press fails to notice a lot of hate crimes — both in this country and elsewhere. It hardly seems fair to blame them for neglecting this assault in Amsterdam.

    I call bullshit. If the so-called “Human Rights” organizations truly gave a damn as they claim, this sort of thing would not go unnoticed. I think it’s also fairer to say that their lack of interest corresponds with the religion of the perpetrators.

    They’re not interested in acknowledging who the real homophobes are, only advancing their selfish, liberal agendas. Which is why I don’t believe in “human rights” groups because they aren’t.

    Or maybe there’s just not enough money in pretending to give a damn about the Dutch.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 6, 2008 @ 12:00 am - June 6, 2008

  6. In the Islamic Republic of Iran, engaging in “same sex contact” or even having “same sex thoughts” is punishable by death. They don’t have a word for “gay” because being “gay” doesn’t exist. Either you don’t engage in same sex contact or have same sex thoughts or you do. And if you do, you die–by the unimaginably grotesque “dangle and strangle” method. They are so proud of this rich, cultural tradition of Sharia law that they conduct the hangings in the town square in broad daylight. They don’t care if proof of these atrocities ends up on the Internet because they are not ashamed of it. These are not stateless terrorists or criminal outlaws committing these acts. It’s the sovereign republic of Iran. It’s the judgments of Iranian courts being carried out by their chief executive–nothing controversial at all. Liberals are well aware of this and have slavishly defended Obama for wanting to engage in diplomacy with these animals without preconditions. In fact, they have praised his genius for suggesting it. Liberals don’t give a fu*k about atrocities being committed against gays by sovereign nations. Consequently, if Dutch law required these two men to be blown away execution-style at the end of the runway and then have their bodies dragged through town behind a parade float, liberals would have nothing to say about it.

    So why on Earth would they give a second thought to the “youthful indiscretions” of these 10 little over-zealous rapscallions?

    Comment by Sean A — June 6, 2008 @ 12:12 am - June 6, 2008

  7. I wonder if the indignation of the GayLeftBorg is proportional to the attractiveness of the victims. For example, the guys hung in Iran. Does the gay left not give a shit because the guys who took a long drop on a short rope didn’t do anything for them?

    Maybe the Dutch guys didn’t have enough money or a Gay.com cock to peak the interests of the gay left? Maybe they liked their Martinis with Seagram’s or that Stoli swill.

    I dunno, but I don’t think that even the gay left will come down hard on the poor, brown “camel jockeys”. After all, they do run the 7-11s where they get their hifalutin Newports.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 6, 2008 @ 6:30 am - June 6, 2008

  8. #7 — It goes beyond that, TGC. To the left (not just teh ghey left), brown people don’t count. Brown people don’t deserve democracy, they don’t deserve free markets, they don’t deserve a first world life style, and so certainly gay brown people don’t deserve to live.

    And I use the term brown people as a metaphor, of course. Iranians aren’t that much more melanin-enriched than Italians. But the principle is the same.

    Comment by V the K — June 6, 2008 @ 7:35 am - June 6, 2008

  9. The same impulse that goads gays to bash McCain rather than Islamist gaybashers is what goaded liberals around the world to bash the U.S. after 9/11 rather than the Islamofascist terrorists. They simply cannot look evil in the face and acknowledge it. They must create a fake evil that in fact not only is no threat but actually protects them. It takes true courage to face real evil. This fear, weakness and self-loathing on the part of Western civilization may yet be our undoing.

    Comment by Peg C. — June 6, 2008 @ 8:20 am - June 6, 2008

  10. It is precisely this issue (Islam vs the World) that I supported Bush all these years, despite all else he has done.

    Me too. I will also say that this is the primary reason I support McCain as well, despite his own numerous flaws. The Dems have yet to become smart enough to see that a Lieberman-like candidate would probably clean up in elections: very liberal on social/economic issues but a defense hawk.

    What this episode shows us quite clearly is just how important immigration policy is. That is, not only about resolving the illegal crisis but also in denying student visas to persons from hostile countries like Iran.

    Comment by John — June 6, 2008 @ 8:22 am - June 6, 2008

  11. Let me add that we also should be deny driving licenses and all government aid, save true emergency care, to illegals. At the same time, legal residents who are not citizens should have a different type of license and limitations on how much governtmental aid they can receive.

    Comment by John — June 6, 2008 @ 8:24 am - June 6, 2008

  12. On the larger issue of Islam, I don’t believe there is a solution short of genocide. If we weren’t so reliant on oil, we could move forward with a policy of isolation. As it is now, we are funding both sides of the “war”.

    Isolation won’t do it. Canada has fallen to the creep of shari’a in the form of their Human Rights Commission (read Kangaroo Court) so they’re here on ‘our’ continent. (Ask Mark Steyn)

    My wife and I just finished reading “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a woman born in Somalia as a muslim that had an awakening to the very things you’re talking about here. She eventually became a Member of Parliament in Holland.

    Theo Van Gogh is the Dutch filmmaker murdered by a muslim for making a short 10-minute documentary about how Islam treats women. Ayaan was his partner in the film and had lived under a fatwa–a sentence of death–ever since.

    Her insights into islam are breathtaking (mostly because of what she endured as a woman in the Somali and muslim cultures). As she said in her book, (paraphrasing here) Islam can only be changed from within. Think of the Reformation of Martin Luther, for example. Christendom would not have changed due to pressure from without. It took an ‘inside man’ to effect the changes that Luther eventually achieved.

    Even then, war reigned in Europe for decades as Protestants and Catholics warred over religion, land, and who belonged to which prince. Ireland still hasn’t settled that fundamental schism. Our Renaissance-starved islamic brothers will have a much longer road to hoe.

    So, we must be prepared to defend our way of life while we wait for someone–as yet unknown–to drag the Mohammedans into this millenium kicking and screaming. There will be blood–a lot of it–and we cannot simply avoid its influence. If we try to influence their religion, they will simply close ranks and engage us as usurpers and infidels. (Granted, we’ll kill a lot of ‘em in the field but it’s thier advantage on our streets.)

    I consider myself a libertarian (small-L variety), but as a former soldier, I have always voted Republican to protect my 2A rights and, by extension, our rights here at home. (After all, I can’t help you stave off the crowd without our friends Sam Colt and Dan Wesson nearby–Just ask Condi Rice about how important the 2A is to preventing mob massacres, right?) And now, I find our engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan much more rewarding on the scale of the Long War than my initial impulse on September 12, 2001–that we should “nuke ‘em from orbit.”

    I would much rather disengage from the tedious, difficult, time-consuming task of building a new nation, a new way of life “over there” and go back to watching Simon and Ryan Seacrest banter (get a room already!) blithely unaware of how homosexuals/women/soldiers/reporters/fill-in-the-blank are treated as a matter of policy in Iran/Saudi Arabia/Somalia/Chad/et cetera.

    If we do that, we’ll lose.

    Changing the ways of life, of culture, of government the area where Islam holds sway by enabling democratic forms of government, by opening trade (and along with it an exchange of culture), and by rewarding tolerance (while brutally punishing those who would do us harm directly), represents the best chance we have to ensure that they do not ultimately change our ways, our culture, and our government as they have in Holland, France, England, and Canada.

    I encourage you all to read “Infidel” as Ms. Ali is much more eloquent–and convincing–than I. I also heartily recommend Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” as a companion piece. Read them and then to pass them along to your friends, family, and elected officials. I think I may use a chunk of the Stimulus Rebate to do just that.

    Love the site–and the comments.

    De opresso liber.

    Comment by Chris — June 6, 2008 @ 9:14 am - June 6, 2008

  13. Where’s the video? They should hold another one of these and videotape the thugs for the internet.

    Comment by Brian Macker — June 6, 2008 @ 9:52 am - June 6, 2008

  14. #10-11: “What this episode shows us quite clearly is just how important immigration policy is. That is, not only about resolving the illegal crisis but also in denying student visas to persons from hostile countries like Iran…Let me add that we also should be deny driving licenses and all government aid, save true emergency care, to illegals. At the same time, legal residents who are not citizens should have a different type of license and limitations on how much governtmental aid they can receive.”

    I completely agree, but with our current leadership it’s a non-starter. Neither our useless Democrat-controlled Congress nor the White House would ever consider supporting legislation to restrict non-citizens (including our enemies) from taking full advantage of all the rich luxuries and benefits our great nation affords to all human beings. They would never risk passing any legislation or enacting any regulations that might cause the immigrants who curse the U.S. as greedy, selfish, oppressive, mean, racist and xenophobic to condemn the U.S. as greedy, selfish, oppressive, mean, racist and xenophobic. It would be political suicide to give the “undocumented citizens” who hate us a reason to hate us.

    Comment by Sean A — June 6, 2008 @ 10:29 am - June 6, 2008

  15. Gays have the same problem that Jews have. They (not all, but certainly the most organized and vocal) have invested so much in attacking the Christians that they cannot stand (for the crime of judging them, whether that judgement is real or percieved), that their narrative doesn’t readily adjust to a new, real enemy. The left has made things into a battle of all minorities everywhere against the straight white capitalist Christian male. Now that we see that one of the left’s allies hate homosexuals, homosexuals should take note of this media silence and realize that, like the Jew, Homosexuals are dupes. The left is not about tolerance, unless it breaks up the cultural unity that once made the US strong. When they compare standing up for gays or muslims, they weigh two things: Who is our stongest ally (Muslims are, because they are not afraid to kill), and who would be our strongest enemy if we diss them? (again muslims, and deep down, most liberals are pure, unadulterated cowards).

    This is the reality. Sucks to be you.

    Comment by Smarty — June 6, 2008 @ 10:39 am - June 6, 2008

  16. Note: By “our” above I was writing from the liberal’s perspective (and my head still hurts).

    Comment by Smarty — June 6, 2008 @ 10:43 am - June 6, 2008

  17. Dude, it’s the Dutch. The gays of Amsterdam are dead.

    Comment by Ex-XO — June 6, 2008 @ 10:55 am - June 6, 2008

  18. Clarity of vision is what is missing here. Our politicians are unable to define freedom clearly and our corporations are willing to take money from anyone so we are justly accused of funding our own hangman. Take Yahoo…please. A naturalized Taiwanese U.S. citizen authorizes his company to help the ChiComs crush dissent. The freedom you believe in your heart that the world understands is nothing but an idea that we have lost the ability to share. We’ll tolerate hang and dangle of gays while at the same time our juries will refuse to convict a jihadi murderer of women in Seattle because of our revulsion of the death penalty. We’ll tolerate the jailing of rape victims in Saudi Arabia and the funding of terrorists who blow down our buildings because they fuel our cars and the profits feed our public pensions. You really are either with us or against us. We need to let those against us, those that are tolerant of tyranny, that another attack WILL affect them also! Shock and Awwwwww!

    Comment by SenatorMark4 — June 6, 2008 @ 11:11 am - June 6, 2008

  19. Suggest you read Mark Styns book, “America Alone.”

    Comment by Earl — June 6, 2008 @ 11:26 am - June 6, 2008

  20. Is it any surprise? When women are nothing more than chattel to be covered and repressed because they fear their own sexuality, these “youths” seek the company of men for the intimacy, companionship and love their religion denies them. Then, when that same religion tells them what they are doing is wrong, is it any wonder it creates a cognitive and spiritual dissonance so profound the only recourse is to lash out and project onto those innocent models their own self-loathing and frustration? It’s no wonder Islam was spread by the sword. For its men it was a form of sexual release.

    Comment by Grant — June 6, 2008 @ 11:27 am - June 6, 2008

  21. Dan – In looking at the link to Gateway Pundit, I am curious: has this been reported at all in the English-speaking press? Was any attempt made to contact these gay groups you list? If neither happened, I don’t think it’s really fair to hold them accountable for an episode they haven’t heard of. I looked at the Washington Blade, for example, and while this story from the Netherlands isn’t mentioned there are other foreign stories linked including an attack in the UK and arrests of gays in Uganda.

    http://www.washblade.com/bladewire/
    Ask Kevin if he knows about this. Plenty enough to criticize them for regardless.

    Comment by John — June 6, 2008 @ 11:36 am - June 6, 2008

  22. I do wonder if isolation is the correct policy though, but I am seeing issues that I find normally off. I was under the assumption that exposing our culture and practices to other countries was helpful in tamping down extremism. I would have thought that islamic peoples in Europe would become more cosmopolitan and less extreme because they are living in open and tolerant climates. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore, it seems there is less and less assimilation going on.

    I wonder why that is anyway, usually the West was seen as the ideal and that has fallen apart.

    Comment by Darkeyedresolve — June 6, 2008 @ 11:38 am - June 6, 2008

  23. I’m a little in the dark on this whole thing. Is there a group calling themselves gaybashers, or is this a term applied to a certain personality or society? I agree, assault is a crime on any person. But to distinguish the type of the crime is to dispose the freedom(s) of the ‘society’ the criminal is alleged to belong to. i.e. to create a category of ‘hate crimes’ is to create a ‘guilty’ society and discriminate harshly. There are those who are simply trying to live and let live and don’t care one way or the other. To create a situation where everyone has to choose… need I finish that sentence? By the way, this is a very effective way of socially applying a thought to the minds of an entire group. A very strategic stereotyping. An image of personality is being publicly alleged that doesn’t exist. Yet, it is continually being claimed by the implications and accusations spewing from the fountain of hatred on the other side of the street. It seems the new kid on the block is trying to gain notoriety and position by tapping into the inherency of the neighborhood. Now what WE have created is opposing groups of which one must take the place of being wrong. That brings us back to opinion, and choice thereby (which choice, ironically, is inherently free). For this to take place socially is a natural occurance. To construe laws regarding it and none of the other occurances is to create a monster. If one group is allowed to subject the liberties of another, so shall the other of the one by the concept of the coin. In simple terms, the new kid has come on the block, picked a fight and accused the others of starting it. By the way, on the point of inherency, how long before we recognize the inherent nature of thievery, rape, molestation, murder and every other crime and inconsistency by the same token? Need these people only form societies and lobby? Where do we and how do we draw the line if we don’t stick to absolute value?
    Next – The Economy – Faith in Productivity vs Gold

    Comment by posterior_sling — June 6, 2008 @ 11:53 am - June 6, 2008

  24. posterior_sling: What college did you go to?

    Chris #12: Great comments. I agree with them totally. I read Infidel last year.. what a great book it was.. It’s hard to believe that on planet earth today there are people who live the way the Islamic tribes do. They’re like Klingons.

    I have read the following books, and recommend them to everyone. The more you read and understand about Islam, and the history of Islam, the more you come to the realization of just how tough and bloody this fight against them is going to be… and the more you realize that our society has no will to fight it.

    The War of Ideas: Jihadism against Democracy

    Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East 1776 to Present

    While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within

    Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America

    Infidel

    Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror

    The West’s Last Chance: Will We Win the Clash of Civilizations?

    The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

    Londonistan

    Inside the Jihad: My Life With Al Qaeda: A Spy’s Story

    The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Islam (and the Crusades)

    Why I am Not a Muslim

    America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It

    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion

    Al Qaida Reader

    The Cube And the Cathedral: Europe, America, And Politics Without God

    Comment by Vince P — June 6, 2008 @ 12:38 pm - June 6, 2008

  25. The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 06/06/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.

    Comment by David M — June 6, 2008 @ 12:54 pm - June 6, 2008

  26. Sadly, we all know the answer to why we haven’t heard this disgusting story before. Look, I’ll be honest, I am not the biggest fan of the homosexual lifestyle and have never been a supporter of gay marriage. But, like I always say, “So what?” I’ll bet there are many homosexuals who wouldn’t care for my (pre-marriage and fatherhood) lifestyle either.

    Europe is slowly going down this suicidal road due to the combination of fear and political correctness. I am outraged that HRW and the other groups are more interested in the “poor victims of the evil Bush” in Gitmo than they are for real victims of evil people.

    By the way, I saw this before I saw the link from Glenn Reynolds, as I am a regular reader of this site.

    Comment by Brian — June 6, 2008 @ 1:20 pm - June 6, 2008

  27. Bat Ye’or has some good books on this subject as well. I really liked Decline of Eastern Christianity: From Jihad to Dhimmitude.

    Comment by John — June 6, 2008 @ 1:47 pm - June 6, 2008

  28. It’s a good thing that you do not live in Canada or the Human Rights Commission would hall you before it as a purveyor of hate with this article.

    Comment by Carl — June 6, 2008 @ 1:48 pm - June 6, 2008

  29. Now I understand why the Dutch surrendered so quickly to the Nazi and resisted their occupation so little. They were surrendering, they were joining their allies.

    Comment by willis — June 6, 2008 @ 2:47 pm - June 6, 2008

  30. This shows the peril of getting caught up in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mindset. Leftists have saddled themselves with having to figure out which victim group is more worthy: the anti-imperialist, anti-US, anti-Christendom, Islamic “other”, or the homosexuals that the Islamists are attacking? Which group better furthers the Revolution, and which group needs to be thrown under the bus? Tough choices.

    However, since a lot more noise is being made against US “imperialism” than against Islamist assaults on homosexuals, it isn’t too hard to see who is currently considered expendable by the compassionate Left.

    Comment by Alt Numlock — June 6, 2008 @ 3:01 pm - June 6, 2008

  31. I lived in Holland as a teenager thirty years ago. We Americans used to “rumble” with the Dutch kids, who didn’t like us very much. They were tough, scrappy dudes who gave as good as they got.

    I wonder what happened to them?

    Comment by Tom W. — June 6, 2008 @ 5:04 pm - June 6, 2008

  32. [...] tip to Eric for this incident in Holland: At a fashion show to promote tolerance of gay people on April 30, a national holiday in Holland, [...]

    Pingback by Snowflakes in Hell » Don’t Try This Here — June 6, 2008 @ 5:25 pm - June 6, 2008

  33. Being left-wing/socialist is supposed to come before all other aspects of one’s life. If a socialist leader commits racist acts against blacks, black socialists must never notice. A gay socialist must never notice the anti-gay hatred of an ally against the “status quo” (that would be civilization in normal parlance).

    Yet while leftist ideology has to come before race, gender and orientation when overlooking crimes and misdeeds of leftists, a libertarian, conservative, democracy proponent or capitalist is expected to support any leftist/socialist member of their in-group or risk being accused of betraying their race, gender or orientation due to crass ideology.

    No group will ever make true political gains until its members stop thinking like a herd and start pursuing their own personal interests collectively. In a herd, it doesn’t matter if a few around the edges are picked off since there is generally safety in numbers. I more sophisticated social structures the individuals have worth. Gays being dragged off and assaulted should be more important than maintaining a political consensus in favor of some nebulous “progressive” position.

    Comment by Saul Wall — June 6, 2008 @ 5:51 pm - June 6, 2008

  34. Hey all… I just wanted to thank our influx of new commenters based on this posting. Welcome to our blog! It is great to see a bunch of new names!

    -Bruce

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — June 6, 2008 @ 6:16 pm - June 6, 2008

  35. Was any attempt made to contact these gay groups you list? If neither happened, I don’t think it’s really fair to hold them accountable for an episode they haven’t heard of.

    Well, I always thought it was their job to tell us and not the other way around. Are they supposed to sit at their desks and wait for news stories to be tossed in over the transom?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 6, 2008 @ 7:36 pm - June 6, 2008

  36. The weird irony of this is that as the decades pass redneck north america – rural areas and the american south and the canadian west – may become the only really safe place in the world for gays.

    I have become more and more disappointed over the last several years with left wingers who I figured were nutty and acting against the public good but ultimately well meaning. I thought that we could at least count on them to defend fundamental values – y’know like not tolerating literal gay bashing. I guess not. The fact that multiculturalism apparently trumps even this is about the clearest evidence you could get that left wing multiculturalism ultimately means nothing but self-abnegation. Its values are never considered valid for anyone not white, as though deep down they actually realize that their ideology is suicide and so only applicable to themselves. What else can we conclude of the denial and stigmatization of whatever they think is “white” culture – Christianity as the American Taliban (never mind the incredible racial chauvanism of supposing that Christianity belongs to white people), the tolerant west as inherently bigoted, white man’s burden as a uniquely oppressive imperialism, the racially chauvanist and almost reversal of history of white people as the worlds greatest and only slaveowners – and then the dizzying turnaround of Islam as the religion of tolerance and peace while ignoring gay bashing Muslim thugs. These are not contradictions if the deeper principle is a suicidal impulse. As we speak left wing Canadians who use the “Human Rights” Tribunals here to attack Christians and who belong to the class who tar any public person of Christian faith as bigoted and dangerous are attacking Mark Steyn for criticizing Islam because it might be “likely to expose” muslims to contempt. Warren Kinsella, a supposed paragon of liberalism, now writes that he beleives every person has a right for their beleifs to be respected. News indeed to white Christians here.

    Well. I won’t vote for gay marriage but I don’t care what colour you are – you’re not beating gays up if I can help it… and I have learned that the far left cannot be trusted to stand in the end for freedom or tolerance or survival.

    Comment by Robbie — June 6, 2008 @ 10:02 pm - June 6, 2008

  37. Not sure if anyone has referenced this already, but it certainly relates to this discussion:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSNASU6040120080605?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

    In a military court the other day, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11 “mastermind” at Gitmo) had a few choice words about same-sex marriage laws in the U.S. Big surprise, he calls them “evil.”

    And the gay leftists would like nothing more than to bust this lunatic out of the horrible, oppressive, evil Gitmo. Poor thing. It’s time to martyr this bitch.

    Ann Coulter is right–we’ve given the liberals a war on fundamentalism and they don’t want to fight it. If it weren’t for their attacks on the U.S., liberals would HATE Muslims.

    Comment by Sean A — June 6, 2008 @ 10:52 pm - June 6, 2008

  38. #12 Chris – Thank you for your service.

    It is great to see a bunch of new names!

    …of people who make sense when they talk. ;-) I mean, instead of being the old keogh gil KYKid jimmy markie arturo fernandez lester Ian sockpuppets.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 7, 2008 @ 10:16 am - June 7, 2008

  39. so, instead of giving examples showing how much better the conservative press has covered this evil event, or mentioning conservative politicians who have spoken out about the horrific attacks on LGBT people or what you as conservatives propose to do about the probem, those making comments have chosen simply to blame liberals for all the problems in the worlds, and completely denying the very real threat to us posed by the toxic sado-christian right while blaming Islam for all the problems in the world (the liberals for covering for them) and suggesting genocide might be the answer, or building a wall to challenge the Great Wall of China in size.

    Attacking those who don’t agree with you will never contribute to any progress out of the mess the world is in. Some need to do some serious growing up, the sandbox mentality combined with mine is bigger than yours just don’t cut it in the real world.

    Comment by Dave — June 7, 2008 @ 2:12 pm - June 7, 2008

  40. Here you go … conservatives talking about the gay bashing.

    Gay bashing in Amsterdam????

    Gay Bashing in Amsterdam goes Unnoticed in US

    Holland’s new gay-bashers

    Muslims Attack Gay Model at Amsterdam Fashion Show, American Left …

    Geert Wilders Talks About Fitna

    1001 STORIES OF NIGHT SETTING IN OVER EURABIA.

    speech Fraser Institute

    OF GOD AND GUNS

    Shocked. SHOCKED!

    Comment by Vince P — June 7, 2008 @ 2:43 pm - June 7, 2008

  41. And if you want to see the tolerant pro-gay reaction from the Left in America read this thread

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3341371#3341501

    I think that speaks volumes. The Left is no friend of gay people at the mercy of religious fanatatics.

    What a sickness the Left in this country has.

    Some comments:

    What do you bet this is some higher ups using a rowdy group of kids
    to do their dirty work.. to perpetuate the fear from mulims and inflame an already intensifying situation in Europe

    “No, they should be legally punished.
    There is no need to attempt to humiliate them. They just need
    punished like any other criminal. This includes deporting them
    if they are not citizens.

    Democrats are not Republicans: we don’t engage in mob violence.
    Neither are we hate filled blame America/the-West first socialists:
    we don’t excuse criminal behavior, we punish it.

    This is a gang of young thugs made homophobic by their intolerant religion.
    Not much different at all from a group of “Christian” cult KKK
    hicks from the American South. It’s too bad too many DUers are so
    busy trying to make everything the fault of corporations or “the man”, that
    they can’t see that obvious fact.”

    “You are not making any sense.
    If you study these things.. “gangs”… they are usually used and manipulated by people with money and power.. Do you really think these young muslims were sitting around and said, “let’s go into a fashion show and beat up this gay model”.. I’d say they were told what to do.. these actions did what, “horrifyed” the world of white europeans.. and it makes them fear and create more tensions..

    Look at our country.. how many old grannies hold their purses closer when they see a young person with baggy clothes on and a backward hat…”

    “Exactly the reason for the attacks.. fear, fear, fear.. and then hate and then violence
    and then there will be enough “tolerant” Europeans willing to enter into WWWIII… Which Bush and Cheney are doing their damn best to get started… “innocent” or “wild” or “random” spoken between a reporters lips or onto a page is normally a lie and has something to do with something else… While we play checkers, they play chess. ”

    “aw bullshit
    thugs are thugs are thugs this case immigrany THUGS ”

    “Honestly I forget about homophobia sometimes.
    I’m gay, and I’ve dealt with my share of it, but I guess I don’t focus on LGBT issues very much. Being in California, it’s more of a subtle nuisance than anything for me. A couple days ago, I was walking through a parking lot and some cologne peddler made an anti-gay comment when I declined to stop to look at what he was selling. It’s trivial. And yet, at the same, a gay man runs a risk of being physically targeted, really at any time, just for being gay. ”

    “The Freepers will be torn on this one. They hate Muslims but Gays too.
    They didn’t have too much trouble cheering on the Russian mob that attacked the gay marchers in Moscow but I genuinely think they will be torn on this one. ”

    “Agreed, no brainer here on the Freeptard response.
    The only way they’d actually be ‘torn’ is if it happened to a brown-skinned boy in a muslim country. Then their tiny heads might explode trying to figure out which side to condemn.

    But this? Snow-white aryan boy (possibly not straight) attacked by roving gang of IMMIGRANT brown-skinned Muslim Thugs … in public and in broad daylight?

    Only things they hate more’d dem que-ers is immigrants and muslims.

    For Joe Freeper, this one here’s what they call a no-brainer. Which is good for him, since …

    Well, you know ”

    “Could you point to the evidence of religious motivation here? ”

    “True …
    “want to find hatred and oppression – look to any of the worlds religions”

    … especially Christianity which purports to worship the Prince of Peace. ”

    “Why “Muslim” gang?”

    “You know this how?
    They were an immigrant gang, for sure. That’s what the organizer said. It’s not until the racist Party of Freedom MP (the Party of Freedom sought last year to prevent all immigration from “Muslim” countries) that they turn into a “Muslim” gang. ”

    And on and on and on.

    Comment by Vince P — June 7, 2008 @ 2:58 pm - June 7, 2008

  42. This was just posted on National Review:

    Tolerance [Mark Steyn]

    An epidemic of gay-bashing by Muslims in “the most tolerant city in Europe” goes unreported…

    …while in Canada Lori Andreachuk, Alberta “human rights” commissar, sentences an evangelical pastor to a lifetime speech ban. He is never to utter anything “disparaging” about homosexuals ever again for as long as he lives. Note that legal concept: not “illegal”, not “hateful”, but “disparaging”.

    (PS As it happens, the intro to the new paperback edition of my bestselling hate crime, America Alone, does address the Dutch gay-bashing spree.)

    06/07 04:23 PM
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTYyNWM4NDUwMTg1MDk0YmI3NWJkMDk3MjJjOTRkZDQ=

    Where is the Left Dave? Still protecting their allies, the Muslims? Losers.

    Comment by Vince P — June 7, 2008 @ 4:42 pm - June 7, 2008

  43. Another disgusting example of Islamo-thuggery, and the left burying their heads in the sand. It says a lot about how unbelievably pathetic the left has gotten when there are websites for Gay Conservatives, Conservative Punks, etc. And here in Canada Mark Steyn is on trial in front of “human rights” tribunals for complaints brought by legal Jihadists who would like everyone to stop talking about these kinds of things.

    Comment by TdotTim — June 7, 2008 @ 7:26 pm - June 7, 2008

  44. Wow this is simply fantastic, i got here from the Steyn piece and it is great to see a Gay Conservative site and with such intelligence in its members. (im straight btw and more Federalist wanting states to decide on referendum on gay unions, marriage, or neither)

    Just like to say keep doing what you’re doing. Just fantastic.

    Comment by Dan — June 7, 2008 @ 8:31 pm - June 7, 2008

  45. Muslims, Gays, And The Decline Of The West…

    Dan at Gay Patriot is absolutely correct.

    The silence from the gay media, which he highlights in his post, is deafening….

    Trackback by Queer Conservative — June 7, 2008 @ 9:13 pm - June 7, 2008

  46. Thanks for this post Dan.

    It was waking up to the threat from radical Islam that brought me all the way out as a conservative. Something my liberal gay friends just don’t understand. They have a complete disconnect about the danger that is posed; and quite frankly I’m now convinced it’s a danger that isn’t limited to “radical” Islam. Homosexuals aren’t free or safe in any Muslim country, or apparently any country with a large Muslim immigrant population. Groups like Queers for Palestine are particularly galling and completely absurd. Talk about your unrequited love, huh? You’d think that 110 story skyscrapers collapsing to the stirring sounds of “Allahu Akbar” would be quite attention getting, no?

    Comment by KevinQC — June 7, 2008 @ 9:15 pm - June 7, 2008

  47. Dave #39: Still waiting for you to show us where you and your Leftist buddies are discussing this.

    I mean if you’re going to spew your boring nonsense about the “toxic sado-christian right ” , whatever the hell that is.. then show us where the Left is.

    Where are you guys? You are sooooo superior.. where is the example we should be following?

    Comment by Vince P — June 7, 2008 @ 9:51 pm - June 7, 2008

  48. Dave #39:

    I can’t speak for all conservatives, but I think the fact that we’re at the forefront of the fight against radical Islam says a lot.

    As for Europe – mark my words… history shows that our brethren across the pond are only predisposed to take so much before they take up goose-stepping and break out the boxcars.

    Comment by KevinQC — June 7, 2008 @ 10:49 pm - June 7, 2008

  49. so, instead of giving examples showing how much better the conservative press has covered this evil event, or mentioning conservative politicians who have spoken out about the horrific attacks on LGBT people or what you as conservatives propose to do about the probem, those making comments have chosen simply to blame liberals for all the problems in the worlds, and completely denying the very real threat to us posed by the toxic sado-christian right while blaming Islam for all the problems in the world (the liberals for covering for them) and suggesting genocide might be the answer, or building a wall to challenge the Great Wall of China in size.

    Let me fix that for you, Dave, so that it will be accurate:

    So instead of giving examples showing how much better the liberal press has covered this evil event, or mentioning liberal politicians who have spoken out about the horrific attacks on LGBT people or waht you as liberals propose to do about the problem, you have chosen simply to shove your head up your ass and blame conservatives for all the problems in the world (NOTE: there should be no “S” there), and completely denything the real threat to gays posed by Islamo-fascists and blaming Chrisians for all the real problems in the world…

    I did the best I could, but the rest is just mindless bullshit that I can’t make out.

    The point here, Dave, is that the liberal left, who pretends to give a flying fuck about gays are strangely absent on these stories. Their silence is deafening. What’s the famous poster? Silence = Death?

    One can only conclude that liberals are disinterested in their plight and have ZERO testicular capacity to confront the real danger. Hell, the liberal media won’t even identify perpetrators as Muslim most of the time.

    The fact of the matter is that the liberal left puts Political Correctness and the fear of hurting somebody’s feelings ahead of addressing a very real problem. You can’t address a problem if you haven’t got the guts to talk about it or call a spade a spade.

    No, instead of recognizing a problem or wondering why the liberal media won’t touch it or offering any cogent insight as to why, you choose the typical liberal, sackless 4 y/o child “Well Republicans/Conservatives are even worser!!!”. No. Don’t accept the fact that liberals are screwing the pooch. Just offer lame-ass defenses, lob some grenades and hope that some folks are too stupid to recognize that you’re just trying to divert attention.

    THAT’S the overall point.

    You can either grow a pair or move on.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 8, 2008 @ 12:09 am - June 8, 2008

  50. We’ve crept into a societal paradigm in which we’re supposed to be “tolerant” of beliefs, practices, biases, and philosophies of others which are antithetical to our own value systems, in the (very valid) recognition that we developed our values through tradition and social cohesion, and so should not be surprised when others, who have neither the traditions of, or cohesion with, our own groups, have developed values that differ from or contradict ours. So, Steyn is supposed to play nice with a discrete social group he views as being violently hegemonist, a pastor in Canada is ordered to never preach his religion’s views about homosexuality again, a friend (of mine) is excoriated for expressing his belief that urban black culture is primarily self-destructive pride, a co-worker is vilified for expressing understanding for the social value of some forms of bigamy . . .

    In each example, the objectionable view is one side of a debatable proposition, but the other side has won the popular social vote, and so has been able to declare and claim Truth, while demonizing disagreement. To speak of Muslims as hegemonists is rude, to speak your belief that gays are bad because gawd said so is rude, to critique black society is rude, to allow that bigamy might have uses is rude . . .

    But it all really comes down, not to valuing the acceptance of divergent or distasteful thought, but to conforming to the current winners of the social popularity poll. Thus, simultaneously with the mandates listed above, a Muslim can say hateful things about infidels, a gay man can make fun of traditional old-testament christians, blacks can denigrate the white race, and bigamist jokes remain one of the few categories not considered to be hateful.

    Advocating the kicking-out from the country of such people as the violently-anti-gay muslims may sound like the Moral stance to a gay man, or even to most non-islamic people, but to a man nourished and trained in allah’s will, it’s something else entirely. We can speak of the rightness of accepting any divergent thought that “harms no one else”, but if one is a devout adherent to some religion, and that religion holds that gawd said “____ is bad and must be destroyed”, to force that religious person to NOT destroy _____ is to force him to disobey his gawd, which, to a truly religious person, is probably the ultimate harm.

    Bottom line: this is why the world, for centuries, has divided itself into discrete societies, insular, self-righteous, smug in their knowledge that they alone have True Thought, and dismissive of divergence. We’ve now, as a society, decided that this division harms humanity more than it helps, and so we work to break it down, to bring all together into one world society, where each respects all.

    Ultimately, this is a stupid and naive impulse. We can only either stay apart and live with the idea that, “over there”, they are doing things that we find hateful but none of our business, or we can conquer the world and impose our morality everywhere.

    In other words, thinking “why can’t they accept my own, Correct, viewpoints?” is as self-centered as them asking the same question of us. There are no “correct” viewpoints, in that sense – there’s imply preference. Bottom line: a gay man is never going to comfortably live next to a man whom allah has ordered to kill gay men.

    Comment by bobby b — June 8, 2008 @ 2:14 am - June 8, 2008

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  52. I am one of the social conservatives referred to above, and it’s unlikely I would been at that show or any like it. Fashion shows are needles-in-the-eyes time for me.

    But despite being 50, I hope that I would have set about them in DuPree’s defense if I HAD been there.

    Comment by Ed the Roman — June 8, 2008 @ 7:50 am - June 8, 2008

  53. That’s pretty funny TGC, every single comment you post on here or on your own blog is so totally unhinged and based on right wing fantasy not reality but I’m the one who is sackless. Think for a moment if you can. The original comment was about how the left and maintream gay press has not properly covered gay bashings by Islamic thugs in other countries. The original article is excellent and correctly pointed out a failing. From there the comments devolved into liberals are evil, Muslims are evil blah blah blah, the same old tired rant. Simple request – show me how you’re doing better. Vince provided links – thank you, I will look at them. The he posts pages of drool from DU which is nothing more than a left wing twin to Free Republic. To use either of those sites and the venom posted on there as an example of the political beliefs they supposedly represent is ridiculous. BTW Vince I believe I have provided tons of info on what I call the toxic sado-christian right, if not I will gladly do so. I have never claimed the left is superior or that fanatic Islam is not a major threat to the world. Fact is, fanatic anything is a threat to the world and it is self-destructive to ignore it from any direction.

    Vince has said I’m a parody, I’m not sure where that puts you TGC because you are one of the few people that makes what I say look completely sane and well reasoned. And I know that reading is difficult for you and I don’t want you to hurt yourself but if you can please show me where I ever blamed Christianity (the religion) for anything. See, the difference is, I can distinguish between those who believe their religion is a force of good and those who use their religion as an excuse to harm others. Try expanding your world view beyond whatever it is you see in that dark place your head seems to be permanently planted.

    Seems to me that conservative bloggers would be more interested in showing how the positions and/or politicians they support will do better than the liberals than in a endless and boring flow of how bad the liberals are.

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:21 am - June 8, 2008

  54. An epidemic of gay-bashing by Muslims in “the most tolerant city in Europe” goes unreported…

    Hone in on that word TOLERANT.

    TOLERANT is a liberal word and an icon of superiority. But it is a stupid concept. Amsterdam “tolerates” drugs, euthanasia, prostitution, pornography, etc. But, shouldn’t it also TOLERATE murder, gay bashing, theft, slavery, pedophilia, disrespect toward Queen Juliana? (“Oh, don’t be such a sophist!”)

    Therefore, in the liberal world of TOLERANCE, you must have an amorphous council of chattering nabobs who ban activities that are not consistent with being tolerant. (We must avoid the concept of intolerance at all costs.)

    Oh, my, but the TOLERANCE of Islam is sacrosanct. However, the inconvenience of Islam having a different set of TOLERANCE rules is something to be…….TOLERATEDsomehow worked out to be consistent with traditional Dutch tolerance.

    To be continued, as the liberal Junebug flits about looking for its sole purpose. (Or is that more like looking for the purpose of its soul?)

    Comment by heliotrope — June 8, 2008 @ 11:23 am - June 8, 2008

  55. Vince, the majority of the links you provided show coverage of the event AFTER it was posted here. Which is not a bad thing at all, it basically follows what I said – show me how conservatives are doing better. It’s clear people read this blog and an article like this one is far more effective at doing good when if focuses on doing that rather than tearing down others. Question, if Kos or HRC were to have covered it wouldn’t y’all still have found something wrong with what they said and torn it apart?

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:37 am - June 8, 2008

  56. Dave, TGC nailed your modus operandi quite nicely in his last paragraph.

    No, instead of recognizing a problem or wondering why the liberal media won’t touch it or offering any cogent insight as to why, you choose the typical liberal, sackless 4 y/o child “Well Republicans/Conservatives are even worser!!!”. No. Don’t accept the fact that liberals are screwing the pooch. Just offer lame-ass defenses, lob some grenades and hope that some folks are too stupid to recognize that you’re just trying to divert attention.

    Case in point: your last statement.

    Question, if Kos or HRC were to have covered it wouldn’t y’all still have found something wrong with what they said and torn it apart?

    Instead of dealing with why Kos and HRC did not cover it, which is a FACT, you start trying to blame “conservatives” and “Christians” using hypotheticals, which are NOT fact.

    When Jacob Robida committed his gay-bashing, screaming leftist gays had a shit fit blaming Christians, even though Robida, by all accounts, was an antireligious person who was as contemptuous of Christianity as gays like yourself are.

    Now, in a case like this, where there is a DIRECT link, nothing is said. NOTHING. Absolutely, positively NOTHING.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 8, 2008 @ 12:19 pm - June 8, 2008

  57. Seems to me that conservative bloggers would be more interested in showing how the positions and/or politicians they support will do better than the liberals than in a endless and boring flow of how bad the liberals are.

    H-m-m-m-m. Is this the way a balanced press would have reported the incident?——-

    On Rembrandt Square in Amsterdam about ten young guys of immigrant background assaulted a participant of a gay fashion show on Queen’s Day.

    Now just why is it necessary in a TOLERANT society to report the “immigrant background”? But then if we do, of course, we must NEVER report “Islamic” because …… because …… because ….

    Dave, liberals have elevated the “lie of omission” to an art form. They call it TOLERANCE. Their concept of a proper Human Rights Commission is to “speak ‘truth’ to power” while ignoring taking on any messy battles with the real evil in the world. Liberals spit freely in the face of a man they know will turn the other cheek. But they always show up late, if at all, when real trouble breaks out.

    Obama is locked into a campaign of “hope” and “change.” No details, no plans, nothing to debate. Wow! I just bet that Obama is opposed to beating up gays. What would he do about it? He would offer “hope” and bring about “change.” You supply the details.

    The conservative would say that beating up gays will not be TOLERATED and those who do will be caught and punished under the law; screw “hope” and “change.”

    My goodness, how liberals do like to ignore things that would require them to take positive action which might taint their status as keepers of tolerance.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 8, 2008 @ 12:54 pm - June 8, 2008

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  59. 14 yrs in Saudi Arabia…
    Little bit of insight into the Muslim mind…
    Cannot tell you how many times I have backed my
    co-pilots into a logical corner and the end of story argument always was… “It’s in the Koran.” Sigh. End of discussion. I was there for the money, honey… Who was I to bet my nice job by arguing against that kind of logic. [heh]
    Im no kind of Koranic scholar but if gay bashing is in the Koran somehow and has been validated by Muslim scholars then forget about changing their minds. As I observed from about 12,000 hours in a cockpit with a Muslim and countless off duty hours with others, Muslims are stuck with a 6-7th century set of beliefs that DO NOT CHANGE over time as Mohammed [the "perfect" man] corrected all previous rules
    under G*ds direct supervision. You gay guys… just ask yourself if you can envision ever in the future strolling into the Muslim parts of Amsterdam. Then check the Muslim birthrate in the Netherlands.

    Comment by Toes — June 8, 2008 @ 3:05 pm - June 8, 2008

  60. From one of the original article translations:

    “…the organizer Jennifer Delano. ‘They pinched him, he defended himself and then the guys of immigrant background started to hit him.’ According to her it was a group of ten young guys of Muslim background.”(Emphasis added)

    And then,

    The words of Laborparty city council member Mahrach this week showed as well how normal it starts to be to see gays as second rate citizens. She argues that homosexual behavior is forbidden. I can’t understand that the Laborparty can sink so low and has these kind of people represent them in the city council. Ms. Mahrach doesn’t share our norms and values. It would be better if she would voluntarily leave our country. Now she is only contributing to a climate that is directed against gays. (Emphasis added)

    So, an apparent eyewitness states that the perpetrators were of muslim background and a muslim city council member has publicly stated an intolerance for homosexuality in any form.

    Dave, that’s what those of us in the center/right call indicators.

    From American Jihad by Steven Emerson:

    “Duran enjoyed the company of fellow Muslims but soon began to doubt their ideology ‘It didn’t ring well in my ears,’ he says. ‘I had grown up in Spain with Franco’s fascism and after a while I began to say to my self, You know, this sounds like the same thing.’“(Emphasis added).

    “‘The fundamentalism of the last half-century is a stranger to Islam,’ he says. ‘It’s based on something entirely different. Basically, it’s a revolt against the modern world…People don’t remember, but the Muslim Brotherhood grew up in Egypt in the 1930s as an imitation of European fascism, which was also a revolt against modernity. In Italy and Germany you had the brownshirts and the blackshirts. In Egypt you had the greenshirts, which was the Muslim Brotherhood. It failed in Europe but survived in Egypt and spread to other parts of the world.’

    I’m really enjoying Philip Bobbitt’s The Shield of Achilles right now. In it he posits that epochal wars are fought to determine which type of government will be successful. That is to say that the Thirty Years War was fought to decide whether princely states or kingly states would dominate just as the previous set of wars was to give princely states the advantage over the city-states of Italy.

    By his analysis, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War are one long epochal war to determine which form of government will prevail–democratic republic, communist state, or fascist state. According to what I’ve read about the Muslim Brotherhood/bin Laden/al Qaeda, we’re actually still fighting WWII/the Long War right now. bin Laden, et al are actually the direct political/spiritual descendants of the fascists of 1930s Europe–we just haven’t won yet.

    When you look at it that way, their set of intolerances makes a great deal of sense. They’re fascists–fundamentally speaking, of course.

    And that should be something that the liberals can get behind.

    Comment by Chris — June 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm - June 8, 2008

  61. ND30, I really have to wonder are some of you one here deliberately stupid or can you just not read? I am NOT contemptuous of Christianity, never have been, never will be and have never said anything that a rational person reading could not understand as being aimed at a particular fanatic group of people who have warped the core teachings of Jesus Christ into a disgusting crusade against all that don’t fit their definition of good. With the exception of the very last sentence what Matt Foreman said is absolutely, totally true and the fact that you can’t see it is what is so scary. Absolutely the same should be said about radical Islam, over and over again and their violent actions should not be tolerated ever but you give a pass to those who hate LGBT people just as much and that is simply stupid.

    The only thing that TGC exposed is that he is so completely impressed by his own bullshit that he can’t see that he was describing himself in that paragraph.

    Heliotrope says:
    “I just bet that Obama is opposed to beating up gays. What would he do about it? ”

    And I’ll ask again, what have any of the conservative politicians done? Are they aware of what is happening in the world, would they care? Or would they have to tiptoe around so they don’t seem to be supporting the “homosexual lifestyle”, just like those on the left don’t want to appear to be against Islam? The contention of many of the comments is that the left does nothing and that is hypocritical – fine, no argument from me. But who is doing a better job? How does asking that question get warped into some bizarre notion that I’m trying to reverse blame – you (collective) made the initial accusation, you placed the blame. If you can’t offer something better then perhaps you should just stop whining about others. Or in the case of some here, vomiting bile about others.

    Comment by Dave — June 8, 2008 @ 11:26 pm - June 8, 2008

  62. A likely explanation for why American homosexuals and feminists do not speak out for their muslim-oppressed co-religionists is that they are entirely self focused. Appearances are that they cooperate with each other at all not because they care for each other but only to advance their cause. An American homosexual needs a Dutch homosexual like a fish needs a feminist.

    Comment by cantrecant — June 8, 2008 @ 11:35 pm - June 8, 2008

  63. The only thing that TGC exposed is that he is so completely impressed by his own bullshit that he can’t see that he was describing himself in that paragraph.

    Hey, thanks for proving my point.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 9, 2008 @ 4:28 am - June 9, 2008

  64. This shows the peril of getting caught up in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mindset. Leftists have saddled themselves with having to figure out which victim group is more worthy: the anti-imperialist, anti-US, anti-Christendom, Islamic “other”, or the homosexuals that the Islamists are attacking?

    This old adage is useful and necessary at times during war, but many leftists forget that the “enemy of my enemy” is still their enemy. If the conflict cannot bring about a change in that relationship, one must be prepared to meet that enemy head-on once the temporary alliance against a greater foe is over. Leftists may think that’s what they are doing but they are fooling themselves. Islamists will gladly use them to further their goals, just like the communists did, and will turn on them at the first opportunity. A man who draws inspiration from his belief in God, no matter how twisted, will always have a far greater strength in the long run than the rejection of absolute truths which is a staple of the Left.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:10 am - June 9, 2008

  65. TGC:

    Well, I always thought it was their job to tell us and not the other way around. Are they supposed to sit at their desks and wait for news stories to be tossed in over the transom?

    Beats me what the resources at their disposal are. I can easily see many stories being missed because it isn’t reported in English-speaking press. Unless there is more to this, I just don’t think the charge in this one instance is fair.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:12 am - June 9, 2008

  66. Attacking those who don’t agree with you will never contribute to any progress out of the mess the world is in. Some need to do some serious growing up, the sandbox mentality combined with mine is bigger than yours just don’t cut it in the real world.

    Surely you jest, Dave? Such is par for the course from the Left – especially the gay Left! I only hear this crap from liberals when their ox is being gored yet they conveniently ignore this clap-trap when it comes to conservatives – especially gay conservatives.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:16 am - June 9, 2008

  67. Groups like Queers for Palestine are particularly galling and completely absurd. Talk about your unrequited love, huh? You’d think that 110 story skyscrapers collapsing to the stirring sounds of “Allahu Akbar” would be quite attention getting, no?

    I despise that group and cannot ever forget these images on 9/11:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=L4XGyc8tAuk

    Comment by John — June 9, 2008 @ 8:31 am - June 9, 2008

  68. Western minority advocacy organisations long ago lost their way when they all became steeped in the kind of post-modern moral relativism that sees historical ignoramuses graduate universities with degrees in History, and illiterates graduate schools of journalism. That these came groups fail to comprehend how they will – sooner rather than later – be hoist with their own petard is nothing short of breathtaking.

    How long would gay advocacy organisations retain “access” to the halls of government after the Islamofascists have imposed a form of political shari’a in the West. Methinks your Amsterdam gay residents are in a GOOD position – perhaps the BEST position – to answer that question.

    Islam is anti-freedom, anti-individual liberty, and anti-democractic. Too boot, Islam is NOT ONLY a religion and should therefore NOT ENJOY the protections or tax status extended to other relgious institutions.

    Lumping “Islam” in as “just another” religion is pure folly.

    Comment by Simon Fleishmann — June 9, 2008 @ 10:59 am - June 9, 2008

  69. The author Robert Ferrigno addresses this glaring inconsistency of the LGBT community to ignore the (very real) threat posed by the Muslim community and its ever-encroachment of Sharia law in deference to full-throated denouncements of what fundamentalist and evangelical Christians (and yes there is a difference between the two) espouse.

    Comment by SlouchingtowardBoulder — June 9, 2008 @ 11:35 am - June 9, 2008

  70. [...] in enlightened Europe – the place some are so eager to emulate and replicate here in America, gays are being bashed and beaten by an evolving element, and the US press is not saying much about it – nor, notes Gay Patriot, are [...]

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  71. Some of us have been warning about this for years and years. And we have been called “racist” and “bigot” the whole time. We were mother fucking right. And now the tolerance police have sold gays down the river to calm muslims.

    So, what do we do now?

    Comment by Svend — June 9, 2008 @ 4:11 pm - June 9, 2008

  72. Ah, sweet irony.

    I am NOT contemptuous of Christianity, never have been, never will be and have never said anything that a rational person reading could not understand as being aimed at a particular fanatic group of people who have warped the core teachings of Jesus Christ into a disgusting crusade against all that don’t fit their definition of good.

    Followed, of course, by:

    With the exception of the very last sentence what Matt Foreman said is absolutely, totally true and the fact that you can’t see it is what is so scary.

    What we see is that Jacob Robida, by all accounts, never had anything to do with any of the people who Matt Foreman mentions in his screed, and if anything, was openly contemptuous of them.

    But for the anti-Christian bigot Dave, that doesn’t matter. The anti-Christian bigot Dave has to blame Christians, and so he does, even though it makes blatantly obvious that his words are based on nothing more than his hatred of Christians.

    Further evidence of your bigotry, Dave:

    Absolutely the same should be said about radical Islam, over and over again and their violent actions should not be tolerated ever but you give a pass to those who hate LGBT people just as much and that is simply stupid.

    Again, anti-Christian bigot Dave, you equivocate, claiming that Christians are morally equivalent to Muslims who beat up and kill gays in broad daylight because, according to you, all Christians “hate LGBT people as much”.

    What that nicely illustrates is that it isn’t ACTIONS that bother you; it’s THOUGHTS and WORDS. For you, saying something bad about gays, or even THINKING something bad about gays, is morally and legally equivalent to beating gays up.

    Pure, stinking bigotry. Disgusting. Anti-American. It amuses me to no end that liberal gays like yourself can find a “right to marriage” in the Constitution, but seemingly ignore the First Amendment when you demand that people be legally punished and blamed for crimes with which they had nothing to do for publicly expressing their religious beliefs.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 9, 2008 @ 4:18 pm - June 9, 2008

  73. Unfortunately, the gay media has never been about news reporting. Rather, it’s a political agenda with the objective of turning gays into perpetual victims – whose only source of hope is the democrat party.

    Comment by Mark — June 9, 2008 @ 4:22 pm - June 9, 2008

  74. whose only source of hope is the democrat party.

    And not even then.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 9, 2008 @ 5:42 pm - June 9, 2008

  75. [...] through my email network, but that, rather significantly, never made the media — any media. Gay Patriot (who is the sole media outlet for this story) describes what happened: At a fashion show to promote tolerance of gay people on April 30, a national holiday in Holland, [...]

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  76. So, ND30, you cleared up all my questions – you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that one can be critical of SOME members of any given group without having to condemn the whole group. I know that you are unable to so so but that doesn’t mean the rest of us are so pinheaded. I never used the word “all”, you cretin, that is your ignorant interpretation of what I said. The enemy is not one religion or another – it is fanatics driven by their desire to control everyone using their religion (or a perverted version of it) as an excuse.

    “saying something bad about gays, or even THINKING something bad about gays, is morally and legally equivalent to beating gays up”

    well actually, if you read the Bible, thinking about is IS morally equivalent to doing it. That aside I don’t, and NEVER have given any indication to a rational reader that is, that I believe people should be punished for their thoughts.

    One last wasted correction. If you actually read the quote that you linked to you would know what the last sentence was and had you actually READ where I said except for the last sentence you would know that all your asinine statements after that were pure lies.

    Whatever, assholes like you deserve what you are going to get from your allies if they grab the power and destroy the USA.

    Comment by Dave — June 9, 2008 @ 9:03 pm - June 9, 2008

  77. Thanks for the death wish , asshole

    Comment by Vince P — June 9, 2008 @ 9:19 pm - June 9, 2008

  78. [...] of the state of the media in the Holland, Bruce Bawer observes that the Dutch gay-bashing story we reported last week “had not appeared in major newspapers in the Netherlands” Just as the attack [...]

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  79. So, ND30, you cleared up all my questions – you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that one can be critical of SOME members of any given group without having to condemn the whole group.

    Oh, I’m quite aware that that can be done.

    I’m also very aware that that isn’t even remotely close to what you’re doing. You’re an anti-Christian bigot who is trying to spin his bigotry as something other than what it is.

    That might work in the circles in which you run, in which Christians are blamed for everything that happens to gays; however, it’s not going to work here.

    Whatever, assholes like you deserve what you are going to get from your allies if they grab the power and destroy the USA.

    Yes, that’s what you were saying to justify your anti-Christian bigotry in 2000, and eight years later, we’re still here and doing quite nicely.

    If you wanted to deal with what harms and kills the most gays annually, you would attack promiscuous sex and spreading HIV. But that would require you to blame someone other than Christians; worse, it would require you and your bigot friends like Matt Foreman to blame other gays and the liberal gay attitude of encouraging promiscuous sex that you’ve supported.

    Not going to happen.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 10, 2008 @ 1:43 am - June 10, 2008

  80. #76

    Say, sackless fucktard, can you provide examples of gays hung or beheaded in this country by any form of government???

    Face it, your an angry, hate-filled bigot. With each post here, you damn yourself even further. You keep trying to dig yourself out of that grave, but you wind up digging a deeper hole. As I always say, no matter how much you polish a turd, it’s still a turd.

    What’s more, you demonstrate the total lack of interest in the story at hand. You’re proving to us EXACTLY why the liberal left and gay liberals couldn’t give a shit about people who face REAL homophobia and civil rights violations.

    Just come right out and say it – “I don’t give a fuck!!”. You keep beating around the proverbial bush, just eschew obfuscation and come right out and say what you’ve been trying to hide for several posts now. Just tell us that you believe that Republicans and “those evil Christian bastards” you love to hate are, in your mind, more dangerous than the Islamo-fascists. Regale us with stories of the American gay concentration camps.

    Just be honest, you mindless, sick sonofabitch. We know what you really are, just come out of the closet and be honest with yourself and others.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 10, 2008 @ 5:57 am - June 10, 2008

  81. Dave, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    Comment by V the K — June 10, 2008 @ 8:06 am - June 10, 2008

  82. you are too fucking stupid …… are so pinheaded …. you cretin …. assholes like you …..

    Charming.

    #76 clearly has the power of logic and right on the side of his argument, otherwise, he might have stooped to puking bile and name calling.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 10, 2008 @ 11:04 am - June 10, 2008

  83. #82 Heliotrope, TGC taught me everything I know about the proper comment etiquette. But of course it’s totally ok because he is speaking against “liberals”.

    #77 Vince, I was speaking strictly to ND30, and if there is no danger from the sado-christians why would you call it a death wish?

    #80 TGC, your blindness and inability to think outside of your brainwashing is quite astounding. REAL homophobia takes many forms and little one, just like you don’t speak for the right, neither do I speak for the left so blame them for what they do, not me.

    #79 – ND30, I realize now you are clearly challenged when it comes to reading and understanding so I’ll waste no more time responding to your nonsense. You have NO idea what I said in 2000 and what I said is all you can comment on. You have NO idea how I feel about promiscuity, AIDS or anything else for that matter. And you certainly have NO idea how I feel about Christians. But, it makes you feel smart and observant to say the things you do and it certainly helps increase the frenzy of the silly little circle jerk here so have ball.

    #81 V the K, the god that is worshiped on many on here has no mercy on anyone and any god that was created in your image has no business with my soul. “Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.” Ah, I don’t think I have so much power and someone beat me to it anyway.

    To those who contribute articles here, you often have intelligent and interesting things to say and whether I agree or not they are worth reading. Sadly the same cannot be said for a number of those who regularly comment. Keep up the good work.

    Comment by Dave — June 10, 2008 @ 11:38 am - June 10, 2008

  84. the god that is worshiped on many on here has no mercy on anyone and any god that was created in your image has no business with my soul.

    As a person of religion and great interest in the religious beliefs of others, I am interested in the reference you make to your soul.

    How do you know that you have a soul and what greater spiritual force guides it? What religious philosophy may one consult to better understand what undergirds your ethic?

    Comment by heliotrope — June 10, 2008 @ 1:24 pm - June 10, 2008

  85. Didn’t Dave claim to belong to the UCC before? Or am I confusing my Daves.

    Comment by Vince P — June 10, 2008 @ 2:01 pm - June 10, 2008

  86. Yeah, there are at least 3 Dave/Davids around here. Possibly more.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm - June 10, 2008

  87. Well there’s about a minute and a half of my life I won’t get back.

    #82 Heliotrope, TGC taught me everything I know about the proper comment etiquette. But of course it’s totally ok because he is speaking against “liberals”.

    Actually, it’s totally ok because it’s true. What’s more, if my “comment etiquette” is so abhorrent, it stands to reason that one shouldn’t expect better of you, right?

    What’s more, you show us again that you’re blinded by hate and anger and therefore are ignorant.

    I don’t hate you, I feel so damn sorry for you. I sure hope you have somebody who can feed you and put your clothes on for you.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 10, 2008 @ 8:12 pm - June 10, 2008

  88. 84/85 No I never said I belonged to UCC though my family did attend one when I was growing up. As an adult I chose to affiliate with churches that would fall in the Full Gospel/Pentecostal/Charismatic category. Currently I am connected with no church as there are none where I live now that would fall in the above category yet be free of misguided anti-gay teaching. I despise watching Christianity being warped into a nationalist, political and totally anti-human force. It is blasphemy at it’s worst and in the course of history there are multiple examples of the damage it has done. It is the cross wrapped in an American flag that I hate, not those who practice Christianity, not those who honor the Cross and not those who wave the American flag. Religion and gov’t do NOT belong together, people and politicians voting in a manner based on their faith does. And there’s a big difference. Are those who criticize liberation theology accused of hating Christianity? Are those who criticize the softening of some denominational policies accused of hating Christianity? Actually, yeah I’m sure by some they are, but how is it that my feelings towards one sect/teaching among a multitude of Christian variations becomes in the eyes of some a hatred of all Christians? Well, truly it doesn’t matter, because I know how I feel and trying to answer other’s interpretations is futile when their mind is set.

    My ethics are sound and not the issue here. My way of expressing myself is indeed a problem. Admittedly I react with anger when my positions/feelings are attacked and warped, rather than challenged in a rational manner. On that topic, TGC you make me laugh. You can’t even see the contradiction in what you say and the absolute arrogance of your attitude. No, sir, you are not right. Even when you do speak facts you are rude, vicious and disdainful of all that you don’t agree with. You are totally outside the boundaries of civilized discourse and proud of it. Go for it, be yourself, exercise your right and stand up for what you believe but you waste your time trying to justify your presentation while denouncing mine. I know when I go over the edge and when I can do better, do you?

    Comment by Dave — June 10, 2008 @ 10:24 pm - June 10, 2008

  89. What these Muslims did is absolutely disgusting, and I too am extremely shocked that this did not get reported.
    As a gay British conservative living on the south coast of England I am even more surprised that I did not here about this, as Holland is only a stones throw away from me.
    In Britain at the moment and indeed across Europe particularly France, Germany and the Netherlands there is large concern that these Muslims and so called European citizens are taking over. In Bitain alone the number of Muslims is steadily rising, they are given more benifits from the state than any other section of society in Britain, and with a great tidle wave of these parasites flooding into my country, British people feel a dreadful sense of forboding, as these creatures do not wish to intergrate into our western society e.g having respect for women and gay people, people feel they cannot object to it as we are ruled in Britain by an extremely left wing government The Labour Party and any objection would deem a person rascist. Its a terribly frightening fact that our great western society American and European is under deeper threat now than it ever was during world war two.

    Comment by Gabriel Rossetti — March 25, 2009 @ 12:25 pm - March 25, 2009

  90. [...] something lately? Just saying: Well, all religions are kinda wacky. Doesn’t really cut it for me. GayPatriot Gay Bashing in Amsterdam goes Unnoticed in US [...]

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  91. It’s interesting to read an article that demands rights for homosexuals, while espousing bigotry against Islam. One would think that those who demand rights would demand them for all. I think the author suffers from what so many today suffer. That is, a complete ignorance of underlying issues and a willingness to attribute immoral action to race, creed, nationality, or what have you. It isn’t anything new, however. You can always rely on hypocrisy when dealing with human beings.

    Comment by A Guest — September 1, 2009 @ 1:56 pm - September 1, 2009

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