Comments on: On Blogging & Debating the California Marriage Amendment

By: Peter Hughes

Peter Hughes — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:42:00 +0000

#10 – I heard last night on BOR that he is putting up the pink brick on eBay to raise money for the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation.

Good on him. I hope those GayLeftLibtards in SF aren’t so stupid as to not understand “schaudenfreude.”

Of course, had someone in SF handed me a pink brick, they’d better duck because they’d be getting it back. Quickly.

Regards,
Peter H.

By: The Livewire

The Livewire — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:18:39 +0000

Hmm, didn’t think of it from that angle.

By: GayPatriotWest

GayPatriotWest — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:43:03 +0000

Livewire, I don’t think the amendment will have as much impact on the presidential race as the race will on it. African-Americans tend to oppose gay marriage by larger margins than whites. A larger black turnout to vote for Obama could increase the number of people voting in favor.

By: The Livewire

The Livewire — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:32:54 +0000

Dan,

I agree that the ammendment likely would have failed. I’ve always argued that it’s the legislature that needs to act, not the courts.

Now the ammendment will likely pass, and it’s spurred a number of copy cats. Will it be enough to keep Obama out of the White House? Doubt it, but no one should be surprised at the backlash

By: Vince P

Vince P — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:42:47 +0000

This is an interesting clip from Bill ORielly’s show … where a gay group from SF gives Bill the “Pink Brick” award (whatever the fuck that is).

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1143564&referralPlaylistId=8fab4e532bcebdc8c8e618412b4ed170ce0f2baa

Bill handles it pretty well.

By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:09:47 +0000

Ye gods, there are more of us?

northdallasthirty (at) yahoo (dot) com.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:21:59 +0000

As a gay conservative living in the Bay Area

John, I’d like to hear from you. ilovecapitalism (at) hotmail (dot) com

By: John

John — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:36:32 +0000

I’d like to see this amendment defeated, but am skeptical it will happen. Frankly, while I’m sympathetic to some real couples affected by this I have a feeling this was brought to a head far too soon. I also agree in the abstract about the equal access argument but this too is premature in its development and I’m not thrilled with this being the main focus nor the manner it was put forward. Issues like DADT hold more importance to me, even though I’m not personally affected by it now, and will also have a significant impact in bringing the change many seek. If this amendment is adopted in California, I don’t believe that will be the last word as lawsuits will explode in the aftermath – even challenging whether this is a true “amendment” or “revision”, a unique distinction in California law that I’m not sure I fully understand. Of course, even if it wins than every percentage point below 61% is a victory in the long run as this would demonstrate a change in attitudes. Recall that during the DADT debate in the early 1990s, solid majorities opposed allowing gays to openly serve. This attitude has changed dramatically since then so perhaps more time may be needed for everyone on this as well. Eh, we shall see come November.

By: American Elephant

American Elephant — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:58:34 +0000

I feel the same way John.

But I am curious about the polling numbers — and its interesting that as NDT points out, the poll numbers aren’t necessarily reliable — everyone seems to take it as a given that Californians are growing more tolerant of gay marriage. But it just occurred to me … where is CA population growth coming from? Largely from Mexico and central America. And while its true that they tend to be very economically liberal, they are also overwhelmingly Catholic and socially conservative. Isn’t it at least plausible that California might be getting less socially liberal, not more?

By: GayPatriotWest

GayPatriotWest — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:32:59 +0000

Naturally Gay, you make a great point. It’s why I think there was a greater likelihood of defeating the amendment before the Supreme Court decision. Now, opponents of gay marriage will be more motivated to get out and vote.

John in #4, we agree.

By: John

John — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:21:08 +0000

As a gay conservative living in the Bay Area, I am totally ambivalent on the issue. I feel no compelling need to have this right, nor do I feel that it should be outlawed. My problem is with the way it is being implemented. Proponents of gay marriage need to convince the citizens of California that it it the right thing to do, not depend on court decisions that offend me and lots of other people. The courts are not the way to go; talk the issue up and present your agruments to the people and let them decide.

By: NaturallyGay

NaturallyGay — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:38:13 +0000

Gay marriage is an issue where people tell pollsters one thing and do another.

It is also an issue with one side being far more motivated to get out and vote than the other side. With an ever increasing number of people becoming more comfortable with gay marriage or civil unions, it has been a failing of the movement to motivate people to vote in favor of these changes.

By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:38 +0000

I would also point out that the Field Poll which you are quoting showed 50% of Californians being in favor of gay marriage the year Proposition 22 passed with 61% of the vote.

By: ILoveCapitalism

ILoveCapitalism — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:03:42 +0000

Polls show support for gay marriage in CA (or against the initiative) at the 50% level, i.e., a majority for the first time.

However, I am mindful of Hawaii 1998 where polls also showed gay marriage ahead there, but it was defeated. Gay marriage is an issue where people tell pollsters one thing and do another.