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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Evaluating Hillary&#8217;s 2008 Run &#38; Wondering how it Will Impact 2012</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216446</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Evaluating Hillary&#8217;s 2008 Run &#38; Wondering how it Will Impact 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] loss in this year&#8217;s contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, I noted how &#8220;I grew to admire her tenacity and resilience, that she kept at it when even after . . . pundits had ...&#8221; Her intelligence and command of the issues also impressed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] loss in this year&#8217;s contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, I noted how &#8220;I grew to admire her tenacity and resilience, that she kept at it when even after . . . pundits had &#8230;&#8221; Her intelligence and command of the issues also impressed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216055</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 - Point well taken.  She should have acted like a lady, not a wife.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 &#8211; Point well taken.  She should have acted like a lady, not a wife.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216026</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going with that one, but I&#039;ll take your word  about the lamps and ashtrays.  Stipulated, that she kicked Bill&#039;s ass in private.

I&#039;ll stand by my other comment.  Going on TV to reinforce Bill&#039;s spin was unprincipled, or actually not holding her head up, IMHO.  Silence - while pressuring Bill come clean sooner - would have been more honorable, and not coincidentally, better for America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re going with that one, but I&#8217;ll take your word  about the lamps and ashtrays.  Stipulated, that she kicked Bill&#8217;s ass in private.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stand by my other comment.  Going on TV to reinforce Bill&#8217;s spin was unprincipled, or actually not holding her head up, IMHO.  Silence &#8211; while pressuring Bill come clean sooner &#8211; would have been more honorable, and not coincidentally, better for America.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216020</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone has been verified by the Secret Service as throwing lamps and ashtrays at her husband, the President, then I&#039;m willing to lay odds that she did indeed &quot;kick his ass in private&quot; when Monicagate blew up.

Past reaction certainly does indicate future behavior.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone has been verified by the Secret Service as throwing lamps and ashtrays at her husband, the President, then I&#8217;m willing to lay odds that she did indeed &#8220;kick his ass in private&#8221; when Monicagate blew up.</p>
<p>Past reaction certainly does indicate future behavior.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216017</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2. After Billâ€™s well-publicized infidelities, she maintained her dignity and held her head up high.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I must respectfully dissent.  After Bill&#039;s well-publicized infidelities, she went on national TV news shows to try to lie for him and blame the Clintons&#039; problems on others (the VWRC).  Holding her head up, in my book, would have been if she either (a) divorced him, or (b) at least made him confess sooner.
&lt;blockquote&gt;3. She probably kicked Billâ€™s ass in private when she found out about Monica.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Pure speculation, made necessary by her lack of public action (see above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2. After Billâ€™s well-publicized infidelities, she maintained her dignity and held her head up high.</p></blockquote>
<p>I must respectfully dissent.  After Bill&#8217;s well-publicized infidelities, she went on national TV news shows to try to lie for him and blame the Clintons&#8217; problems on others (the VWRC).  Holding her head up, in my book, would have been if she either (a) divorced him, or (b) at least made him confess sooner.</p>
<blockquote><p>3. She probably kicked Billâ€™s ass in private when she found out about Monica.</p></blockquote>
<p>Pure speculation, made necessary by her lack of public action (see above).</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-216002</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Lincoln did expand his own power, but he had real and legitimate goals of preserving the Union and ending slavery.  My point here is that he was not about self-aggrandizement or ruling the lives of others for its own sake; not a morally empty guy.

Power-seekers will always claim they aren&#039;t, and that they have legitimate goals.  Hillary Clinton talks constantly about how she needs to be given more power (the Presidency) so she can &quot;help&quot; people.  Well, no thanks.

By carefully analyzing the politician&#039;s words, history and actions, a rational person can distinguish the (rare) genuinely principled politician from the (many) opportunistic, power-seeking egomaniacs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Lincoln did expand his own power, but he had real and legitimate goals of preserving the Union and ending slavery.  My point here is that he was not about self-aggrandizement or ruling the lives of others for its own sake; not a morally empty guy.</p>
<p>Power-seekers will always claim they aren&#8217;t, and that they have legitimate goals.  Hillary Clinton talks constantly about how she needs to be given more power (the Presidency) so she can &#8220;help&#8221; people.  Well, no thanks.</p>
<p>By carefully analyzing the politician&#8217;s words, history and actions, a rational person can distinguish the (rare) genuinely principled politician from the (many) opportunistic, power-seeking egomaniacs.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-215992</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t &quot;isolate Hillary for being power hungry&quot;.  You could say the same thing of most Democrats and many Republicans too.  But not all.  Some people do have principles, and/or a life and personal character outside politics.

Take Ronald Reagan.  He did not live to exercise power over others.  He had a life outside politics and power-seeking, and when he got into politics (or seeking office), his goal was to *curb* the government&#039;s (and hence, his own) power.  Same with Presidents such as Lincoln and Washington.  So, it&#039;s possible to have a President who is more (or should I say less?) than just power-hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t &#8220;isolate Hillary for being power hungry&#8221;.  You could say the same thing of most Democrats and many Republicans too.  But not all.  Some people do have principles, and/or a life and personal character outside politics.</p>
<p>Take Ronald Reagan.  He did not live to exercise power over others.  He had a life outside politics and power-seeking, and when he got into politics (or seeking office), his goal was to *curb* the government&#8217;s (and hence, his own) power.  Same with Presidents such as Lincoln and Washington.  So, it&#8217;s possible to have a President who is more (or should I say less?) than just power-hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: Commentator from LA</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-215367</link>
		<dc:creator>Commentator from LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ILoveCapitalism:

Thank you for your post above, but you make it seem like Hillary is the only politician who &quot;lives to exercise power over others.&quot;  Don&#039;t you think that anyone who strives to be President, either of an organization or country, is a little bit of a power seeker by nature?  Why do you isolate Hillary Clinton for being power hungry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ILoveCapitalism:</p>
<p>Thank you for your post above, but you make it seem like Hillary is the only politician who &#8220;lives to exercise power over others.&#8221;  Don&#8217;t you think that anyone who strives to be President, either of an organization or country, is a little bit of a power seeker by nature?  Why do you isolate Hillary Clinton for being power hungry?</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/09/trying-to-understand-hillarys-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-215189</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary&#039;s &quot;tenacity&quot; is all about her.  Her opportunism is about her.  Her tears are about her; when she cried that time before New Hampshire, she wasn&#039;t crying over the children or the military or how great America is, but only for herself.

The source of Hillary&#039;s appeal is not hard to find.  It is the same as Obama&#039;s: Identity politics.  Many women, especially older women who had tougher struggles with sexism, ache to see a woman President.  I can&#039;t blame them.  But I can blame, to some extent, their eagerness to settle for any woman; their unwillingness to see Hillary as what she is, a person who lives to exercise power over others.

DER:
&lt;blockquote&gt;She has worked with each branch of government and at both the state and national level, she doesnâ€™t need to relearn or learn how to manage the bureaucracy of the executive branch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;How, specifically, has she worked with the executive branch?  Is that part of what a First Lady normally does?

If yes: Would you say that Laura Bush, Eleanor Roosevelt or Pat Nixon has/had executive experience?

If no, i.e., if Hillary was uniquely co-Presidential with Bill: have you heard of the Twenty-Second Amendment?  What would entitle her-and-Bill to violate it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary&#8217;s &#8220;tenacity&#8221; is all about her.  Her opportunism is about her.  Her tears are about her; when she cried that time before New Hampshire, she wasn&#8217;t crying over the children or the military or how great America is, but only for herself.</p>
<p>The source of Hillary&#8217;s appeal is not hard to find.  It is the same as Obama&#8217;s: Identity politics.  Many women, especially older women who had tougher struggles with sexism, ache to see a woman President.  I can&#8217;t blame them.  But I can blame, to some extent, their eagerness to settle for any woman; their unwillingness to see Hillary as what she is, a person who lives to exercise power over others.</p>
<p>DER:</p>
<blockquote><p>She has worked with each branch of government and at both the state and national level, she doesnâ€™t need to relearn or learn how to manage the bureaucracy of the executive branch.</p></blockquote>
<p>How, specifically, has she worked with the executive branch?  Is that part of what a First Lady normally does?</p>
<p>If yes: Would you say that Laura Bush, Eleanor Roosevelt or Pat Nixon has/had executive experience?</p>
<p>If no, i.e., if Hillary was uniquely co-Presidential with Bill: have you heard of the Twenty-Second Amendment?  What would entitle her-and-Bill to violate it?</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be those snappy pantsuits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be those snappy pantsuits?</p>
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