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Drill Now!

If every Member of Congress is taking this survey of their constituents, and is honest about the results, I think we’d be drilling off-shore in our waters by the end of 2008.

Thanks Representative Myrick!   If not the rest of the bunch there in DC, at least I know you are listening!!

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

[ED NOTE: While I was approving Vera's posting below, I accidentally posted this one as "Vera". My bad. But I assure you, I am NOT Vera. She is one in a million.]

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  1. Am I missing something here? Was this Bruce’s post, or Vera’s?

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — June 14, 2008 @ 2:54 pm - June 14, 2008

  2. Made me curious what the rest of the country thinks. Last year 61% supported offshore drilling with 42.4 % strongly supporting and 18.6% somewhat supporting it. A total of 35.3% oppose it with 16.7% only somewhat opposing it, and only 18.5% strongly oppose it, yet that is who is holding the rest of America hostage.

    I tell you, Republicans still aren’t being vocal enough about this. They should be shouting and stamping their feet and holding their breath and pulling publicity stunts til they force the media to focus on the issue.

    Comment by American Elephant — June 14, 2008 @ 4:41 pm - June 14, 2008

  3. AE: Republicans are like Palestinians in the sense that when the time comes for them to achieve their goal .. they fuck it up.

    [Of course the real distinction is the Palestinian's real goal is to destroy Israel.. but I was stating it as if I was in the State Dept and I'm stupid and I think they want peace]

    Comment by Vince P — June 14, 2008 @ 7:50 pm - June 14, 2008

  4. McCain’s against drilling either in ANWAR or off the coasts of FLA or CA. So he can’t fly the standard of “drill now for lower prices”. How typical of the Republican plight. Democrats should be being crucified for not allowing drilling 10 years ago and 7 years ago. Democrats should be being crucified for ethanol and the food riots around the world. But no, oh no, hold congress people accountable, hell no. McCain was part of the inept Congress, how does he rail against the ineptitude?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 14, 2008 @ 8:55 pm - June 14, 2008

  5. There was a good piece about that in Powerline about how McCain needs to just disappear for 2 weeks, read the science, talk to experts, and come back and say, “I’ve looked at the most recent science, and come to the conclusion that global warming is not the serious problem we are being led to believe it is” and then come out for drilling.

    He supposedly has a speech on energy on tuessay. Anyone wanna place any bets on him changing direction?

    Comment by American Elephant — June 14, 2008 @ 11:17 pm - June 14, 2008

  6. I *might* actually be able to start mildly supporting McCain (as opposed to just being vehemently against Obama) if he dropped all this global warming is destroying the environment, ANWR is heaven on Earth, and oil executives (and other CEOs) are greedier than satan populist bullshit.

    Comment by American Elephant — June 14, 2008 @ 11:23 pm - June 14, 2008

  7. Didn’t the liberals promise to do the will of the people back in ‘06???

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 15, 2008 @ 4:18 am - June 15, 2008

  8. My friends, drilling in the ANWAR will not solve the problem of undocumented workers who are the backbone of our economy or make the carbonic footprint of millions of hardworking Americans see our government as a union between Feng and Shui.

    The global is subject to warming which is against the policy. Many scientists agree that we must do our best to regulate the sun spots, the ink spots and pet stains on the new carpet.

    What we need is a good 5 cent smokeless cigar.

    Amen.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 15, 2008 @ 12:01 pm - June 15, 2008

  9. Bruce, your Representative is indeed awesome. I have a real California moonbat… hopeless.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 15, 2008 @ 1:27 pm - June 15, 2008

  10. From the musical “Urinetown”:

    LITTLE SALLY: I don’t think too many people are going to come and see this musical.

    LOCKSTOCK: Why do you say that, Little Sally? Don’t you think people want to be told that their way of life is unsustainable?

    Kinda sums it up for America……we’ve become so dependent on this thick slimy liquid, have ignored development of better, cleaner energy for decades and this is where we are now. Republican ideology – party, party, party and ignore real responsibility.

    Comment by Kevin — June 15, 2008 @ 1:50 pm - June 15, 2008

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    Comment by Vince P — June 15, 2008 @ 2:16 pm - June 15, 2008

  12. Republican ideology – party, party, party and ignore real responsibility.

    And the Democrat grind, grind, grind and tackle real responsibility for solving the energy “crisis” is…… ?

    Kevin, do you believe that all energy research throughout the world is being controlled by Republicans or thwarted by a conspiracy of Republicans? (No non Republican in the world is working on the energy problem, right?) Please, please say you do. It will save a lot of needless effort in thinking that your brain has not yet entirely gone to water.

    Where do you stand on mining coal? How about building new nuclear power plants? Do you support wind turbines spoiling the view for a Kennedy or Conkrite? Can we cover large areas with solar panels that would radically alter the existing local environment? (Would ANWAR be off limits? How about the seashore?) Any hesitation about tapping geothermal sources to power turbines? How about a new TVA type of dam building and population relocation? Just on general principle, shall we not extract oil from anything? Can we drill for gas?

    Can you cite Obama’s program for hope and change in energy? Can’t Algore get his consensus of scientists together to replace oil sourced energy? Why haven’t the Indians, Chinese, Japanese, or Scandinavians solved this problem?

    Comment by heliotrope — June 15, 2008 @ 6:05 pm - June 15, 2008

  13. My first question to leftists like Kevin is do you bike to work, do you hang your laundry out in the back yard, do you go without A/C, do you grow your own vegetables, do you use but one sheet when going number 2, do you drink out of streams and rivers? The WORLD economy runs on oil. Until it is gone or alternatives are more economical it is just flat out nutts to leave such an energy source lying untouched. Do you think leftists would really prefer mankind to be living like the recently discovered red painted tribe in South America? They’ve got such regard for tribes living in horrible human conditions, sitting in dirt, living hand to mouth. Similar to the community of New Orleans that couldn’t react to a local emergency, but sat and waited for deliverance.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 15, 2008 @ 6:24 pm - June 15, 2008

  14. have ignored development of better, cleaner energy for decades and this is where we are now.

    Folks have been focused on cleaner energy for decades and where has it gotten them? Ethanol has been around for how long? And look at the giant turd that’s turned out to be. Douchebags have sworn up and down that ethanol is the way to go, it’s gonna save the world and we’ve thrown billions of dollars into people’s pockets and what have we got? A fuel that’s dirtier than oil and gasoline.

    No wonder people ignore it because we’ve been misled by these hysterias and “quick fixes” before.

    Kevin, are you really such a dumbass or do you just play one on the internet? I seriously would like to know. I know you lack the balls to answer questions about your drive-by hit pieces, but could you make an exception and answer my question just this once?

    didn’t like the responsibility for the missiissippi delta, huh???

    Since your fragmented question didn’t make a damn bit of sense, would you like to elaborate?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 15, 2008 @ 9:42 pm - June 15, 2008

  15. #10: “LOCKSTOCK: Why do you say that, Little Sally? Don’t you think people want to be told that their way of life is unsustainable?…Kinda sums it up for America……we’ve become so dependent on this thick slimy liquid, have ignored development of better, cleaner energy for decades and this is where we are now.”

    Kevin, as much as it has been a tireless, cooperative effort among some of the commenters on GP.com to ensure that every repugnant syllable you express is soundly debunked and exposed as the baseless liberal propaganda that it is, you still manage to get away with a great deal here. The fact is, your frenzied hysteria of long-discredited socialist theory peppered with ignorant bumper-stickers requires a team of crack experts to contain (among them: Bruce; Dan; AE; NDT; ILC; TGC; Vince P; and others). Unfortunately, some of your ignorant delusions manage to go unanswered.

    However, this evening, I won’t let you get away with it. Your sloppy and blasphemous invocation of “Urinetown” in comment #10 is a perversion of the musical theater that I will not allow to go unanswered on my watch. Certainly not as the Tony Awards are being handed out in NYC at PRECISELY THIS MOMENT! Kevin, in this country you have the freedom to express your opinion, but you DO NOT have the right to drag Broadway down with you. This is a new low, Kevin, if that’s even possible. If America’s Sweetheart Kristen Chenoweth were here, she would rip your spine out with her bare hands and still have time for a costume change (and a late supper at Sardi’s).

    Kevin, in Urinetown, their way of life was unsustainable because it was based upon a finite source of WATER. There’s no “alternative” or “more efficient” or “green” or “environmentally-friendly” or “liberal-approved” replacement for WATER. WATER, KEVIN! WATER!

    In contast, Kevin, if the U.S. has “ignored” (your word) the development of alternative sources of energy, where exactly did the electric car come from? Magic? What about the armada of hybrid vehicles currently seen on every highway in the U.S.? What about those cars powered by engines whose exhaust is cleaner than their intake? Isn’t the very existence of solar power, hydro-electric power, wind farms, ethanol, nuclear, and a dozen other “alternative energies” that you contend have been “ignored” just make you–once again–a filthy, fucking liar?

    The fact is Kevin, no matter how ardently you believe and shout to the rafters that Americans are evil, selfish, greedy hoarders and polluters, they just keep proving you wrong again and again. How do you explain the development of all of these alternative energy sources without the government either being in charge of it or forcing it through legislation? Americans are brilliant, driven, creative, unique people whose ingenuity and dedication to making other people’s lives BETTER will always be light years ahead of the petty, cynical, bitter, insecure restrictions and obstructions that you and other liberals put in their way. That’s fine, that’s your job and certainly all you’re capable of. That, and bitching, complaining, accusing, criticizing, discouraging, and IGNORING the great things that have been accomplished because you prefer sticking with what you’re comfortable with–corporations are evil, success is to be punished, changes in the weather are the result of Republicans doing something wrong, everyone should conserve energy (except you, Al Gore and every other environmentalist in America), and no matter what the circumstances, drilling domestically, building new refineries and nuclear power will NEVER be the answer.

    We get it, Kevin. The liberals’ energy policy has been set in stone for decades. There aren’t any subtle nuances or complexities that will ever spontaneously make it worth a damn. And your irrational endorsement of it will never make it true that conservatives have “ignored” the development of alternative energies or done anything except operate within the draconian parameters set by liberal whackos in Congress and STILL MANAGE TO MAKE A PROFIT. Of course, now your solution is, take those profits away. How fucking predictable.

    Do whatever you want to “Big Oil” Kevin, I give up. Just keep your worthless ass out of the theater so you don’t fuck that up too.

    Comment by Sean A — June 16, 2008 @ 12:19 am - June 16, 2008

  16. BOOSH!!!

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 16, 2008 @ 1:07 am - June 16, 2008

  17. yea! let’s rape our environment.

    if only bushco put the trillions of dollars spent in this immoral war in iraq into finding alternative energy solutions. but no, the oilman in the white house is laughing all the way to the bank.

    drilling in alaska is stupid and dangerous. it won’t alleviate the supply problem. anyone for drilling there is unpatriotic. period.

    Comment by rightiswrong — June 16, 2008 @ 10:30 am - June 16, 2008

  18. You convinced me, rightiswrong! As of today, I am going to start raping the environment 24/7. I will start by mercilessly chopping the heads off of innocent blades of grass with a carbon-footprint 2008 mower that spews global warming doses of exhaust. I will then smash the severed heads with an even worse carbon-footprint 2008 blower that dumps global warming doses of exhaust from a two-cycle engine. After that, I am going to wash my car using precious water from the aquifer which I will contaminate with soap and allow to soak into the ground where millions of organisms will die competing with millions of other organisms over primacy in their chemically altered domain.

    And, I will make a run to the gas station for more cans of gas and bottles of oil. I have a gas power washer, a gas weed whacker and a gas window mop to feed. Heck, I might even drive the SUV to get the gas.

    Then I am going to put the American flag out on the tree. Since I am 100% for drilling in ANWAR and on the continental shelf, I might as well tick off the TRUE patriots such as yourself!

    You may now go back to trying to read a book by the light of the methane you ignite from your rear portal.

    Comment by heliotrope — June 16, 2008 @ 11:16 am - June 16, 2008

  19. What’s amazing is that, if alternative energy was so easy to develop, you’d think the Democrat billionaires like George Soros would be putting money into that, rather than wasting it on political campaigns.

    Oops, forgot….Democrats and liberals don’t spend their own money, they tax others.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 16, 2008 @ 12:17 pm - June 16, 2008

  20. Democrats/leftists really don’t like cars, and they hate the mobility and freedom they provide to the average peasant. They would much prefer everybody be forced onto socialized mass-transit, where the government determines where you go, when you can go, and who you have to go with, where you check your liberties at the door, and where you are at the mercy of a unionized workforce of government employees.

    Is it any wonder that the Democrats’ strategy for high fuel costs isn’t to alleviate them, but to exacerbate them?

    Comment by V the K — June 16, 2008 @ 12:28 pm - June 16, 2008

  21. Decades ago, the Democrats’ ideal world was described in this book. Low carbon footprint, you know. Very environmental. Orwell’s 1984 sounds nice to a few of them, but it is too high-tech, plus it has all those exploding bombs and is a little too frank and honest.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 16, 2008 @ 12:42 pm - June 16, 2008

  22. rightiswrong:

    How does it feel knowing that your party has once again selected someone completely unelectable.

    Comment by Vince P — June 16, 2008 @ 12:45 pm - June 16, 2008

  23. Gee, maybe we can drill our way out of this mess…

    The Geological Survey’s Leigh Price, a Denver geochemist who died of a heart attack in 2000, estimated that the Bakken might hold 413 billion barrels. If so, it would dwarf Saudi Arabia’s Ghawar, the world’s biggest field, which has produced about 55 billion barrels…The Bakken Formation estimate is larger than all other current USGS oil assessments of the lower 48 states and is the largest “continuous” oil accumulation ever assessed by the USGS…

    … if the Democrats and John McCain will let us.

    Comment by V the K — June 16, 2008 @ 1:23 pm - June 16, 2008

  24. And, even more amusingly, gay leftist Obama supporters are openly hoping the economy tanks and that people suffer because it’s more important to get Obama elected — and without it, I quote, they “don’t trust the voters to make the right choice on their own”.

    Isn’t it amazing that the party who supposedly is “for” the poor is also the one hoping that the poor suffer?

    Now Congress’s actions become completely understandable. Just as Pelosi and Reid tried everything in their power to sabotage the surge, now the Democrats in Congress are doing everything they can to sabotage the economy.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 16, 2008 @ 1:44 pm - June 16, 2008

  25. One thing leftist morons don’t take into account is that even if we discovered a magical fuel to replace gasoline tomorrow, it would take a decade, minimum, to switch over a significant portion of the transportation fleet to use the new fuel source. In the meantime, we’d still be pouring megabillions into the accounts of terrorist states. Drilling here, drilling now while simultaneously developing new fuel sources would cut the legs out from under Islamic jihad.

    But, once again, leftist morons side with terrorists over Americans.

    Comment by V the K — June 16, 2008 @ 2:00 pm - June 16, 2008

  26. Exactly, V the K. Wind/tide/sun/farting cows/whatnot may eventually be able to produce electricity effectively, but the vast and overwhelming majority of the US transportation fleet a) doesn’t run on electricity and b) needs to travel farther and faster than a single electric charge in the batteries that are available can manage.

    Liquid hydrocarbons haven’t persisted as long as they have because of some sinister oil company plot; it’s because they offer the best combination of weight, transportability, and power provided per pound of any fuel out there.

    Prime example: ethanol. Not many people know that gas containing ethanol can’t be sent by pipeline; it has to be trucked, and under special circumstances. Why? Because pipelines contain water from condensation. Not a problem for gasoline and petroleum, because they resist water; however, ethanol binds with water, and in doing so, renders itself useless. Hence, your “green fuel” has to be hauled from point to point, instead of taking the pleasant and carbon-limited path through pipelines.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 16, 2008 @ 2:11 pm - June 16, 2008

  27. I love how Kevin and the lefitsts slam BUSHCO. Now that Bill and Hillary are worth more than $120 million can he list for me how the two of them “earned” that fortune? What exactly did Bill manufacture to become a wealthy American? I can answer that….he gave some speeches. He talked. Aren’t the Democrats just dandy. For most of their lives Michelle and Barack Obama gave 1% of their income to charity. And to them the Black Caucus is a charity. Not the Salvation Army, not the American Red Cross, but a liberal advocacy group. So actually they have given nothing to charities that actually help people. Like the year Gore and Tipper gave a total of $400 to charity. Nice huh.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 16, 2008 @ 2:38 pm - June 16, 2008

  28. NDT you are stating facts. Don’t confuse leftists. You see they are “trying” to lessen our dependance on oil. If it is illigical and stupid that doesn’t matter. It is the effort in their view not the result. Like the trillions spent on the war on poverty. It’s the effort not the abismal results.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 16, 2008 @ 2:40 pm - June 16, 2008

  29. So today theres more coverage of the sweet heart mortgage deals of DEMOCRAT Senators Dodd and Dorgan. With their inside connections they’ve both saved thousands of dollars while many Americans are losing their houses. How sad. What comes to mind with this DEMOCRAT CONGRESS is the old Soviet Union, while the people were standing in line waiting to buy the few goods available, the elite politboro members would fly by, speeding by in their sleek black ZIL stretch limos. Heading to parties and meetings where fresh food and caviar was being served.
    The Peliso Reid Dodd Dorgan eliteists. How you like them Dems?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 16, 2008 @ 2:47 pm - June 16, 2008

  30. My favorite is how Obama slams the “greedy” hospitals and healthcare companies and their overpaid executives….without mentioning that his wife is herself a healthcare executive.

    Then again, they probably don’t want to draw attention to how her salary magically shot up by nearly 300% right after his election to the Senate.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 16, 2008 @ 2:47 pm - June 16, 2008

  31. 100 years of oil reserves in the Rockies. If the Democrats would let us get to them.

    Comment by V the K — June 16, 2008 @ 3:37 pm - June 16, 2008

  32. Maybe liberals can invent a car that runs on self-esteem and diversity.

    Comment by V the K — June 16, 2008 @ 4:14 pm - June 16, 2008

  33. The only mode of transit that liberalism could power would be the hot-air balloon.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 16, 2008 @ 5:55 pm - June 16, 2008

  34. if only bushco put the trillions of dollars spent in this immoral war in iraq into finding alternative energy solutions.

    How about the trillions of dollars the liberals have spent destroying low-income families (mostly black) in this immoral “war on poverty”? And what of the $847 billion Barack Hussein Pussama wants to spend on “global poverty” Why not use that?

    drilling in alaska is stupid and dangerous.

    And that’s based on what?
    Seems to me what’s even more stupid and dangerous is sending our money to Venezuala to prop up a Communist dictator. Even more stupid and dangerous is sending our money to the ME.

    it won’t alleviate the supply problem.

    Explain to me how adding more supply won’t help. It may not alleviate the problem, but it sure as hell will put a big enough dent in it. What’s more, If we started drilling there in the morning, I think I can say without hyperbole that the price of oil would fall close to, or below $100 by tomorrow afternoon.

    anyone for drilling there is unpatriotic. period.

    Let me see if I follow your thinking: America providing for itself is unpatriotic. America adding jobs to work the rigs, transportation, refineries etc. is unpatriotic. Keeping more of our money here in our own country is unpatriotic. Having “Made in the USA” fuel is unpatriotic. Putting more of the “evil oil company” profits into the retirement accounts of millions of Americans (most who make under $50K/yr) is unpatriotic.

    I think I’ve got it, right? By your measure, one could say that outsourcing business overseas *is* patriotic, right?

    BTW, aren’t the wildcatters usually union? And isn’t it interesting how the liberals hate the oil companies, but have no problem accepting cash from them?

    Have I got that right, RIW? If not, please help me out.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 16, 2008 @ 6:30 pm - June 16, 2008

  35. I’m writing this down… “oil is finite”.. got it.

    Wow.

    That is amazing.

    Comment by Vince P — June 16, 2008 @ 10:00 pm - June 16, 2008

  36. markie: are you predicting the people of the future will be just as stupid as you are now?

    Comment by Vince P — June 16, 2008 @ 10:48 pm - June 16, 2008

  37. #39: “a hundred years from now, peeps will be shaking their heads saying, ‘they used it for transportation???’”

    Yes, markie, what a shameful waste it will all seem like 100 years from now. Using all of that oil for something as silly and frivolous as…transportation. When all that time we could have been using it for currency, or making jewelry or giving it to the homeless. How could we have been so short-sighted, markie? Future generations will never know the simple pleasure of enjoying it sprinked on a Caesar salad or a waffle. And think of all those fathers and sons who could have shared a frosty cold mug of thick, bubbling crude on the son’s 21st birthday but WON’T because all of us selfish, frivolous Americans were busy pumping it out of the ground, refining it, pouring it into internal combustion engines and driving 100 miles an hour with the touch of a button, or flying from continent to continent in a matter of hours for godsakes!? What were we thinking?! How could we have taken this slimy, goupy mysterious liquid we found in nature and shamelessly harnessed it’s power to travel to the Moon when we could have been saving it for future generations to use as moisturizer or in their decorative terrariums? Oh, markie. When I think of all the things that oil could have been used for other than transportation, I just want to put on a traditional cherokee tribal headdress, stand on the side of freeway and cry–one tear.

    By the way, markie, you SUUUUUUHHHHCKED on Night Court. Zero comic timing, undetectable chemistry with Harry Anderson and lousy tits. There, I said it.

    Comment by Sean A — June 17, 2008 @ 12:12 am - June 17, 2008

  38. a hundred years from now, peeps will be shaking their heads saying, “they used it for transportation???”

    It will probably take that long to come up with an alternative.

    But if you think that’s funny, wait till they find out that dumbass liberals pushed for using corn for transportation and starving the poor they pretend to give two shits about.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 17, 2008 @ 1:03 am - June 17, 2008

  39. Even funnier will be when they find out Joe Kennedy fellates Hugo Commie for it.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 17, 2008 @ 1:07 am - June 17, 2008

  40. #24-VP; you’re delusional if you think grampy mcsame will beat obama. It’ll be a LANDSLIDE for the dems in November. Get used to it, a semi-permanent democratic majority is in full view.

    Now, let’s debate why the GOP failed. Is it bushco’s fault alone? or does Larry Craig, David Vitter, Mark Foley, Bob Taft, Tom Noe, Bob Ney et al the other criminals in the gop ranks share some of the blame?

    methinks it’s a combination of factors, including the ongoing republican hypocrisy and their failure to nurture an positive econcomic environment.

    face facts, the new day is upon us, and you and your ilk will forever be linked to the criminality of bushco.

    Comment by rightiswrong — June 17, 2008 @ 9:59 am - June 17, 2008

  41. methinks

    no, you doesn’ts.

    Comment by V the K — June 17, 2008 @ 11:44 am - June 17, 2008

  42. honest question…
    how did environmentalism come to be a left vs right debate?
    does anyone have a source to point me toward to find some history on this issue?

    Comment by david — June 17, 2008 @ 1:47 pm - June 17, 2008

  43. #45 Right is wrong…..there is one criminal that you can go get right now since you like being a prosecutor. Ted Kennedy drove his secretary that he was banging, off a bridge and drown her. He was so upset by this he swam to shore walked home and took a nap. When you jail all your buds, then look around for others. Wanna a list to help you? Jefferson, Reid, Feinstein, Frank,Dodd, Conyers, Spitzer, Kennedy, P.Kennedy. Their crimes range from money laundering to real estate embezelment, assault, runnning a brothel, labor law vialations, murder.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — June 17, 2008 @ 2:22 pm - June 17, 2008

  44. 67% of Americans want offshore drilling. Now correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s the same majority that lefties cite as proof that we have to leave Iraq.

    how did environmentalism come to be a left vs right debate?

    Round about the same time environmentalism ceased being about protecting the environment and became a tool for implementing socialism and destroying individual freedom. It’s absurd for the Federal Government to be dictating the kinds of lightbulbs and toilets we use. It’s absurd that a remote, inhospitable expanse of mud, bogs, and mosquitoes is off-limits to drilling in the name of Gaia. It’s offensive that celebrities and politicians fly around the world on private jets to lecture us on our “selfish” use of fossil fuels.

    The environmental left is only interested in “solutions” that expand the power of the government, distort the free market, and disempower the individuals. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried. Leftist “solutions” have failed the poor in this country, have failed in the public schools, have failed at health care, failed to govern our large cities, and, frankly, failed to protect this country from terrorism. Why do we think left-wingers are better equipped to protect the environment?

    The best tools for protecting the environment are property rights (there’s never been a forest fire in a privately-managed forest) coupled with a limited amount of common-sense regulation subjected to a cost-benefit analysis.

    Comment by V the K — June 17, 2008 @ 2:58 pm - June 17, 2008

  45. How embarrassing it must be to be a person like rightiswrong and show no demonstrative sign of having matured beyond the age of 12

    Comment by Vince P — June 17, 2008 @ 7:20 pm - June 17, 2008

  46. I don’t think rightiswrong has enough self-awareness to realize that his responses tend to validate our stereotypes about the lack of maturity and intellect on the left.

    Comment by V the K — June 17, 2008 @ 8:30 pm - June 17, 2008

  47. markie: your approval level here is lower

    Comment by Vince P — June 17, 2008 @ 11:16 pm - June 17, 2008

  48. jack abramoff can take much of the credit for the demise of the republican party. out of control and corrupt as hell.

    How about the liberals who got cash from Abramoff such as:

    Patty Murray (D-Wash) – $40,980
    Charles B. Rangel (D-NY) – $32,000
    Patrick J. Kennedy (D-RI) – $31,000
    Harry Reid (D-Nev) – $30,500
    Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND) – $28,000
    Tom Daschle (D-SD) – $26,500
    Brad R. Carson (D-Okla) – $18,300
    Chris John (D-La) – $15,000
    Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) – $14,500
    John Breaux (D-La) – $13,750
    Mary L. Landrieu (D-La) – $11,500
    Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md) – $11,000
    Dale E. Kildee (D-Mich) – $10,500
    Barney Frank (D-Mass) – $9,000
    Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo) – $9,000
    Max Baucus (D-Mont) – $9,000
    Peter Deutsch (D-Fla) – $8,500
    Dick Durbin (D-Ill) – $8,000
    Frank Pallone, Jr (D-NJ) – $6,000
    Nick Rahall (D-WVa) – $6,000
    Jon S. Corzine (D-NJ) – $5,000
    Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – $5,000
    Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md) – $5,000
    Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii) – $5,000
    Deborah Ann Stabenow (D-Mich) – $5,000
    Xavier Becerra (D-Calif) – $4,523
    Tim Johnson (D-SD) – $4,250
    Kent Conrad (D-ND) – $4,000
    Maria Cantwell (D-Wash) – $3,000
    Kalyn Cherie Free (D-Okla) – $3,000
    Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) – $3,000
    Richard M. Romero (D-NM) – $3,000
    Ed Pastor (D-Ariz) – $3,000
    John B. Larson (D-Conn) – $3,000
    James L. Oberstar (D-Minn) – $3,000
    Brad Sherman (D-Calif) – $3,000
    Earl Pomeroy (D-ND) – $2,500
    Max Cleland (D-Ga) – $2,500
    Gene Taylor (D-Miss) – $2,250
    Doug Dodd (D-Okla) – $2,000
    Jay Inslee (D-Wash) – $2,000
    John D. Dingell (D-Mich) – $2,000
    Joe Baca (D-Calif) – $2,000
    Carl Levin (D-Mich) – $2,000
    C. L. “Butch” Otter (R-Idaho) – $2,000
    Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark) – $2,000
    Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss) – $2,000
    Robert Menendez (D-NJ) – $2,000
    Robert T. Matsui (D-Calif) – $2,000
    Rodney Alexander (D-La) – $2,000
    Sander Levin (D-Mich) – $2,000
    Ron Kind (D-Wis) – $2,000
    Ronnie Shows (D-Miss) – $2,000
    Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn) – $2,000
    Willie Landry Mount (D-La) – $2,000
    Tom Carper (D-Del) – $2,000
    Thomas P. Keefe Jr. (D-Wash) – $2,000
    Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) – $2,000
    Maxine Waters (D-Calif) – $2,000
    Ned Doucet (D-La) – $2,000
    John Neely Kennedy (D-La) – $2,000
    Lane Evans (D-Ill) – $2,000
    Norm Dicks (D-Wash) – $1,500
    Rick Weiland (D-SD) – $1,000
    Ron Wyden (D-Ore) – $1,000
    Tim Holden (D-Pa) – $1,000
    William J. Jefferson (D-La) – $1,000
    Patrick Leahy (D-Vt) – $1,000
    Paul Wellstone (D-Minn) – $1,000
    Pete Stark (D-Calif) – $1,000
    Peter DeFazio (D-Ore) – $1,000
    Mike Thompson (D-Calif) – $1,000
    David Phelps (D-Ill) – $1,000
    Derrick B. Watchman (D-Ariz) – $1,000
    Charles S. Robb (D-Va) – $1,000
    Bill Luther (D-Minn) – $1,000
    Barbara Boxer (D-Calif) – $1,000
    Brian David Schweitzer (D-Mont) – $1,000
    Charles J. Melancon (D-La) – $1,000
    Eliot L. Engel (D-NY) – $1,000
    Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) – $1,000
    Gloria Tristani (D-NM) – $1,000
    Grace Napolitano (D-Calif) – $1,000
    Joe Lieberman (D-Conn) – $1,000
    Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif) – $1,000
    Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) – $1,000
    Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) – $500
    John Kerry (D-Mass) – $500
    Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif) – $500
    Shelley Berkley (D-Nev) – $500

    Oh I forget. Democrat corruption is a resume enhancer.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 18, 2008 @ 1:55 am - June 18, 2008

  49. And who’s gotten sweetheart deals on their mortgages from Countrywide? Dunno if it’s legal, but it’s suspicious when you get a great mortgage deal and then offer to bail them out with our money.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 18, 2008 @ 1:57 am - June 18, 2008

  50. LOL….so markie says Abramoff is evil and anyone who took any money from Abramoff is a corrupt criminal….but then reverses itself when it’s shown how many of its Democrat masters did.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 18, 2008 @ 4:35 pm - June 18, 2008

  51. Oh, and markie, since Democrats like you say that anyone who took money from Abramoff is a corrupt criminal who should resign from office, we expect to see you demand the immediate resignation of all the Democrat legislators listed.

    That is, if you’re not a hypocrite.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 18, 2008 @ 4:37 pm - June 18, 2008

  52. I think I just read somewhere that the Marxists in Congress are now calling for a nationalization of the Refinary Industry in response to Bush’s demand to open the coasts to drilling.

    These Democrats are such evil pieces of shit.

    Comment by Vince P — June 18, 2008 @ 7:58 pm - June 18, 2008

  53. #44: “how did environmentalism come to be a left vs right debate?
    Round about the same time environmentalism ceased being about protecting the environment and became a tool for implementing socialism and destroying individual freedom.”

    Wow, V the K. I’ve never heard that point made so succinctly and persuasively–that’s going to stick with me, thanks. It jumped out because it made me remember one of those pivotal moments in my life when I had one of many realizations that ended up forming the basis of the beliefs I have now. I remember getting an e-mail from a friend from college and I think Bush had just been elected (1st term). It had this way-too-dramatic desperate warning about Bush planning not to ratify the Kyoto Treaty and what a horrible decision that will be, blah, blah, blah. Now, I knew my friend was a liberal, but Clinton was elected right before I graduated–things weren’t nearly as polarized as they are now. (I look back at her e-mail as the start of the BDS to come.) She knew I was a Republican, and my general perspective on the environmental issues was environmentalism should not stand in the way of human progress particularly considering how rapidly industries had stepped up to the plate and made a reasoned conclusion that it’s just not profitable to pollute, etc. So, when I saw that this global Kyoto thing was about emissions, I viewed the situation the same way–humans should be (and are) wise stewards of our environmental resources–but I do not have a moral obligation to drive a Yugo so that “future generations” won’t inherit a damaged planet, blah blah…I also had developed a healthy inclination to presumptively reject anything proposed as a “global” solution.

    But I wanted to read more about the issue, so I printed out the e-mail about Kyoto, and the actual “treaty” itself (I’m a lawyer, so I thought, let’s see what this treaty actually says). I had dinner with my parents that night and I brought it up and their discussion of it helped me make that leap to realizing that environmentalism had truly changed from hysterical tree huggers who really needed to re-examine their priorities (but really did have the intention of “saving” the environment), to a really sinister, sophisticated, well-funded, global movement seeking to rob wealthy Western nations (particularly the U.S.) and socialize the globe. That was a real eye-opener and I’ve always remembered that moment–it’s NOT a bunch of well-intentioned hippes that should have a little more love for humanity than snail-darters. Those granola types have been utterly eclipsed by the globe-trotting elitists like Al Gore, Cheryl David, George Soros, etc. For dilettante-divorcees like David, it gives her something to do that makes her feel morally superior, without having to actually change her ways like a new religion might require. She can fly around in private jets and feel good about herself, AND she’s easy pickens’ for all that Seinfeld cash she’s got piled around the house that she can tithe to Messianic activist grifters. Gore needs it because he blew his shot at the Presidency and he’s a more legit spokesperson than someone like Soros, who’s in it for the truly base, sinister purpose of just undermining the U.S. however he can.

    It is a really sick racket, and when anyone ever says that it sounds just like the new-world-order conspiracy theories the lefties come up with–all you have to tell them to do is read Kyoto. It’s all right there in the text. Each nation gets a certain amount of credits, but if you come up short, no problem, you can buy credits from your global friends all over the world. Isn’t that sweet? Then you start doing the math in your head and you realize that before the ink is even dry, the U.S. will owe billions to a bunch of commies with their red hands out. The thing that bugs me most today is the speech Bush made to explain why he wasn’t going to ratify–at the time, I thought he was just being careful and politically savvy–new President and all, don’t start a war with the tree-huggers. Now that terrorism has shown us just how few “friends” we really have in the world–either they’re jihadists, or they’re commies perfectly willing to sell nukes to jihadists–I want Bush to go back and say, “Ummm, nice fuc*ing try you sicko Marxists. Go sell that snake oil to France or the Aussies.”

    And they’re still plugging away at us. The good news is that when Global Warming was at its crescendo and seemed unstoppable (seducing people like McCain), it got derailed by the exposure of Al Gore’s unbelievable hypocisy–they still worshipped him, but it made it harder to recruit newbies, AND the fact that the weather just wouldn’t (and still won’t) cooperate with the agenda. It’s stalled, at least for now.

    Comment by Sean A — June 19, 2008 @ 3:30 am - June 19, 2008

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