I do not apologize for expecting the United States to act in a different manner.

You ought to. The European countries, whom the liberals want so desperatly for us to emulate, still use raw brutality to get the job done. You ought to watch British, German or Russian police riot videos some time. They’ll have you munching on the curb and then maybe they’ll take names if they really feel the need to.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, we punish our own for using Tazers or tear gas. Hell, in some states, they’ll punish police officers just for arresting Hispanics. HPD is a prime example. You SHOULD be ashamed of that. You should be ashamed that Ramos & Compean are in prison. You should be ashamed that our soldiers are castrated, tried and convicted for doing their jobs. You should be ashamed that those politicians you support and vote for call our own soldiers “stupid”, “terrorists”, “rapists” etc. But then I know that liberals are incapable of feeling shame or remorse.

If we have to resort to such low levels of behavior than we have lost the right to claim some kind of national superiority.

Watch this video and then tell me again that we don’t.

One more thing for TGC – wouldn’t you do better to take your out-of -control hatred and near insanity over to the frontline?

First of all, you don’t know me. If you did, you’d know that I don’t hate anybody. However, I am fed up with people who are hell bent on our destruction for political gain. I’m fed up with people who sympathize with our enemies who actually are dictators & terrorists and then have the audacity to call their own president a dictator and a terrorist. Truth is, if he was, you would be beating a path to him to kiss his ass.

Second, the truth is that the real “out of control hatred” and “near insanity” resides with those still pissed that they couldn’t steal two national elections like good ol’ Joe Kennedy.

What’s more, you don’t know me, you don’t know where I am and you sure as hell don’t know my service to this country. There are a lot of us here who have served. You’re under the radar denegration is noted.

Hiding behind your keyboard and whining like a little bitch doesn’t get it.

Or would you not like knowing that some liberal douchebag would spooge all over his computer when your number comes up?

….and the horse you rode in on.

an honest person would admit that they are accusing another person of motives and meaning behind his words that aren’t necessarily there.

Well, BACK AT YOU, Dave!

Good golly, I have parsed your diatribes and moderated my responses and asked for your elucidation all in the hopes that you would engage in gentlemanly debate. Others here have given you as good or better than you have dumped on them and this site in general.

If you want to engage in an exchange of ideas, you will be better served if you keep your blanket condemnations at bay. If you just wish to throw bricks at people you do not wish to respect, then develop enough character to take what you are going to get in return.

meanwhile, the latest NIE indicates we are MUCH more in danger than ever before due to the imcompetency of this criminal administration.

Wrong. And the only criminal administration left office 7 years ago, taking the silverware, china, artwork and furniture with them.

bushco’s legacy will be the iraq war,

In large part it will be. A rogue dictator, a threat to his subjects, his neighbors, the region and the world, and an avowed enemy of the United States, gone and replaced by an increasingly stable democracy and ally of the West. Another rogue regime in Afghanistan gone, compliance from Libya and increasing complaince from North Korea, Democratic reforms throughout the middle east, and zero attacks on America. All in the face of the most treasonous opposition party America has ever had. George W. Bush will go down in history as one of Americas near-great, if not great presidents. Just like Ronald Reagan whom liberals opposed nearly as much.

it’s time for all you people to wake up. bushco has been a disaster.

No, Jimmy Carter was a disaster. Clintons foreign policy was a disaster. Barack Obama, if he wins, will almost assuredly be a disaster, and America will be openly wishing it had President Bush back.

So AE, I’m not reasonable because I call a scumbag a scumbag. Fine, so I’m not reasonable but he’s still disgusting

No, youre unreasonable for calling someone who is anything but a scumbag a scumbag. A man who, as GPW pointed out above, was perhaps the most roundly respected man in Washington before it because politically expedient for Democrats to paint him as otherwise. You need to learn to question what you’re told to believe.

So AE, I’m not reasonable because I call a scumbag a scumbag. Fine, so I’m not reasonable but he’s still disgusting.

Heliotrope – it’s amazing to me that on a blog where many overflow with hatred towards Democrats and liberals on a daily basis that you consider my opinions “close to bigotry”. Whatever, you’re entitled to think what you think.

The hypocrisy on here is totally breathtaking. Guess I need to take another break from the sewer of modern American thought and spend some time reading from places where the focus is life and raising people up rather than shredding the innocent and worshiping those who bring death.

If at all possible I avoid hearing or reading anything that comes out of Cheney’s mouth and I definetly would never watch him. The fact that someone like him can climb as he as he did is apalling and points out just how corrupt our political system can be

Well, that pretty much eviscerates any claim you had to reasonability.

bushco’s legacy will be the iraq war, now totaling in the trillions of dollars. it’s time for all you people to wake up. bushco has been a disaster.

For North Korea and Libya, the groundwork for this was laid down by the Clinton administration.

LOL. Clinton was paying North Korea billions while they continued to enrich uranium. And Libya agreed to give up their WMD’s and allow inspections for one reason and one reason only — they saw George Bush kicking the asses of dictators that didnt comply. Clinton laid NO groundwork, his policy was abject failure all across the board.

Here are some of your points:

#7—the real travesty here is that the right specializes in expansive hallucinatory enhancements to statements made by those they hate i.e. Democrats and liberals.

How do we get around the fact that you consider many of us to be haters who specialize in hallucinatory enhancements?

#12—What happened to the “mission” of catching Bin Laden, oh wait, that was apparently forgotten, why would Bush want to punish the man that gave him the greatest boost in power that any madman could wish for?

Do we have to accept that Bush is a “madman” who hungers for power and that Bush has diverted the mission to catch Bin Laden to enhance his (Bush) power? Really? We have to accept that?

#15—I would happily vote for a Republican, if I could find one free of the taint of the infectious disease of fanaticism and hate that has afflicted the party for so long.

As a life long Republican, do I have some special responsibility in addressing your points since you look upon me as infected with fanaticism and hate?

#21— Lie if you want, it simply proves the insane lengths that some folks will go to attack their percieved enemy.

Now, how am I to know when you will resort to this rejoinder rather than engage in open debate?

#28— Most of the time when I read a whine from the right about left wing viciousness it clearly comes from guilt over the fact that the person saying is knows that it is he/she who is really vicious. The people that celebrate Coulter, Savage and the rest can NEVER accuse anyone else of viciousness and hate with any credibility.

Hmmmm. We are vicious at heart which causes us to accuse others of being vicious. OK, I’m confused on that one. But is it a rule that if one ever agrees with Coutler, Savage and “the rest” that person becomes vicious and loses all credibility?

#28—Because one is against the obscene and uncivilized use of torture techniques which make the leadership responsible for it little better than the fanatics we are fighting has nothing to do with supporting Bin Laden or Al Queda.

I missed the detailed report proving “obscene” and “uncivilized” use of torture. Explain to me how Bush and company have taken actions equal to the 9/11 attacks. Why is the war on terrorism limited to just Bin Laden and al-Qaeda? If that were the case, shouldn’t Congress have limited the war to only taking out al-Qaeda and Bin Laden?

#31—If at all possible I avoid hearing or reading anything that comes out of Cheney’s mouth and I definetly would never watch him. The fact that someone like him can climb as he as he did is apalling and points out just how corrupt our political system can be and how little people pay attention to who they are voting for.

This nicely wraps up my point. You come here with a lot of demands, opinions that are close to bigotry, tossing verbal hand grenades and then you complain when people hand it back to you.

Perhaps you might try thinking things through before you use your keyboard like a sawed off shot gun.

If at all possible I avoid hearing or reading anything that comes out of Cheney’s mouth and I definetly would never watch him. The fact that someone like him can climb as he as he did is apalling and points out just how corrupt our political system can be and how little people pay attention to who they are voting for. But, so I can answer your question I will look up what was said.

I know that it was ILC interpretation but that is the problem. The “conservative” world is in an uproar and practically calling for his execution over what they THINK he meant when he said those words. That shows the true motive for much of what they say and believe. I just saw that Tammy Bruce, who I very much respect, is parroting the same foolishness.

And, oh… where again were Iraq’s WMDs?

Delahunt is now tellling people he had said, “I’m glad *I* finally have the chance to see you, Mr. Addington”. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. Delahunt unmistakably says “I’m glad *they* [al Qaeda] finally have the chance to see you, Mr. Addington.” (Ii.e., to know who Addington is and hence to plot his death.) WATCH THE VIDEO.

In the parentheses ILC gives his interpretation of Delahunt’s meaning, as properly noted by the nota i.e., and is not ascribing those actual words to Delahunt.

ILC urges one and all to watch the video. Or, in ILC’s terms: WATCH THE VIDEO.

Apparently you do not feel Delahunt was real smart in this thing. Now, then, what was your reaction when Cheney told Patrick Leahy off, in no uncertain terms? As restrained as you are about Delahunt’s remark about Addington now being a known face for al-Qaeda to target?

Wrong heliotrope, this is a direct quote from ILC

“(Ii.e., to know who Addington is and hence to plot his death)”

That is an interpretation of what he said NOT what he said. I say Delahunt was stupid because it is true that the above could be a result of what he said. I don’t believe he meant it and I don’t see all the viciousness etc. that was supposedly on his face when he said. Most of the time when I read a whine from the right about left wing viciousness it clearly comes from guilt over the fact that the person saying is knows that it is he/she who is really vicious. The people that celebrate Coulter, Savage and the rest can NEVER accuse anyone else of viciousness and hate with any credibility. The powerline story has many statements that are based on their opinion and interpretation of ONE sentence. It has little to do with reality.

I’m not in denial at all Bruce. Because one is against the obscene and uncivilized use of torture techniques which make the leadership responsible for it little better than the fanatics we are fighting has nothing to do with supporting Bin Laden or Al Queda. I do not apologize for expecting the United States to act in a different manner. If we have to resort to such low levels of behavior than we have lost the right to claim some kind of national superiority.

One more thing for TGC – wouldn’t you do better to take your out-of -control hatred and near insanity over to the frontline? Then you can kill to your heart’s content. Or is it that you’re just a bunch of hot air?

I watched the vid clip and the only thing the man is guilty of is being stupid. He in no way said all the nonsense that you and powerline accuse him of.

Let’s break this down:

I watched the vid clip and the only thing the man is guilty of is being stupid.

What is it you saw that makes you believe “the man is guilty of…being stupid”?

He in no way said all the nonsense that you and powerline accuse him of.

No one said he said anything more.

Dave, you admit the man acted stupidly just from watching the clip. Are you now implying that pointing out Addington to al-Qaeda was a benign act? If so, what makes it “stupid” in your mind.

Specifically, you charge GP and Powerline with smearing Delahunt with a load of “nonsense.” What would that be? And why is it nonsense?

Either you are in complete denial or you need to expand your reading sources because INDEED the Democrats and Al-Qaeda frequently sound alike.

One (of just *many* examples) — Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL):

[D]escribing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime–Pol Pot or others–that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

Google it, my friend. There are MANY MANY MANY other examples where bin Laden’s speeches sound like something delivered by an American Democrat on the floor of Congress.

What else are you in denial about?

Even if your bizarre interpretations of what he said were true – he is ONE Democrat and ONE member of a party does not represent the party as a whole.

Add that to
*70+ resolutions demanding surrender in Iraq,
*stories in the New al-Qaeda Times leaking national intel INCLUDING the ID of a CIA operative “guilty” of questioning KSM,

*add to that liberals pissing and moaning about the guests at Club Gitmo while not giving a DAMN about how they treat THEIR prisonsers,

*Add how the liberals extend the United States Constitution to murderous bastards who kill our own soldiers

*Add how the liberals push to treat terrorism in the courts, despite the fact that it’s proven that a series of national security screwups were what failed to prevent 9/11.

*Add the fact that liberals are the ones who castrated the miltary to the point that they couldn’t afford bullets, nevermind putting the candy-asses in body armor and “up-armored” HumVees.

*Nevermind that a liberal president told SF in the Mog to rot in hell rather than spend a dime giving them the support they requested.

You can bet your sweet ass I’ll question the patriotism of liberals and lable mindless, excuse laden apologists like YOU as al-Qaeda cheerleaders.

There’s not a thing the candy-assed liberals have done to protect this country. OOOOHH! “Bush has put us in even more danger!!”. Well if that’s true, I say “BRING IT ON!” There’s not a thing that liberals in Congress have done to make things better. There’s not a damn thing you could point to which would make anybody feel safer.

OOOOHH!!!! The candy assed liberals captured and prosecuted 29 terrorists WHO WERE ALREADY HERE in America. Meanwhile, Bush has captured and killed over 6,000. Guess which impresses me more?

Running out to a microphone, shedding some fake tears and proclaiming “we will do everything to catch and convict those responsible” and then ignoring them doesn’t cut it. Which president captured KSM?

Long story short, Dave, you can take your defense of Delahunt and shove it. You can make excuses all you want, but the truth of the matter is that the liberal left are terrorist sympathizers and would love nothing more than the continued defeat of the United States.

There’s no “bizarre interpretations” about it. He said it, he meant it. Just like Murtha meant it when he proclaimed U.S. Marines guilty of a “massacre”. Just like Turban Durbin meant it when he compared U.S. soldiers to Nazis and Pol Pot’s killing fieleds. He meant exactly what he said. If he didn’t, he has no business as a part of the second branch and should pack his stufvf and head home.

Even shorter? Yeah, you’re an apologist who puts party before country. Nobody should defend what that POS said.