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	<title>Comments on: McCain at Funeral of Mark Bingham, Gay Hero of 9/11</title>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; McCain Mentions Mark Bingham in 9/11 Statement</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-305852</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; McCain Mentions Mark Bingham in 9/11 Statement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spoke at the memorial service for one of them, Mark Bingham. I acknowledged that few of us could say we loved our country as well [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-305698</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain did know that he was gay - he presented Bingham's boyfriend with a flag at Bingham's memorial service.  For the record...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain did know that he was gay - he presented Bingham&#8217;s boyfriend with a flag at Bingham&#8217;s memorial service.  For the record&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-276695</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark honestly believed in McCain. You have to remember that Mark wasn't an advocate for gay rights. Mark lived his life how he wanted to live it and let no one stand in his way. He didn't stand up and scream I'm Gay but he didn't hide it either. The ripples of Mark's life were felt after 9/11 when he showed it made no difference on that plane if you were straight, gay, black or white... they all acted as one. McCain thanked Mark for that but I think his stance on the gay lifestyle today is the same as it was 8 years ago. I only wish that after coming across Mark's life and seeing what kind of human being he was that maybe his outlook on the gay people would change and lighten up just a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark honestly believed in McCain. You have to remember that Mark wasn&#8217;t an advocate for gay rights. Mark lived his life how he wanted to live it and let no one stand in his way. He didn&#8217;t stand up and scream I&#8217;m Gay but he didn&#8217;t hide it either. The ripples of Mark&#8217;s life were felt after 9/11 when he showed it made no difference on that plane if you were straight, gay, black or white&#8230; they all acted as one. McCain thanked Mark for that but I think his stance on the gay lifestyle today is the same as it was 8 years ago. I only wish that after coming across Mark&#8217;s life and seeing what kind of human being he was that maybe his outlook on the gay people would change and lighten up just a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-241676</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIDS already gets more federal research money than cancer.

Source: My dad, a doctor, and head of the radiation oncology department at a prominent Southern hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIDS already gets more federal research money than cancer.</p>
<p>Source: My dad, a doctor, and head of the radiation oncology department at a prominent Southern hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240946</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranks right up there with squealing like Ned Beatty billions more for AIDS research and then dropping $60 on a bareback flick on the way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranks right up there with squealing like Ned Beatty billions more for AIDS research and then dropping $60 on a bareback flick on the way home.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240943</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, by this analysis, it’s OK to support those who want to marginalize gays,....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is so funny how you guys will take such crumbs and roll over like grateful dogs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is so funny how gay liberal victims will take the blowjobs from liberal candidates for cash donations and votes then roll over like grateful dogs when they pass laws against us. And yet, somehow, Repbublicans are the bigoted homophobes. &lt;i&gt;B-b-but the liberals pat us on the head and tell us what good little faggots we are!!!&lt;/i&gt; Exactly. You're nothing but a photo op.
 
Most people would call that two-faced. I know I would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, by this analysis, it’s OK to support those who want to marginalize gays,&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>And then:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is so funny how you guys will take such crumbs and roll over like grateful dogs.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is so funny how gay liberal victims will take the blowjobs from liberal candidates for cash donations and votes then roll over like grateful dogs when they pass laws against us. And yet, somehow, Repbublicans are the bigoted homophobes. <i>B-b-but the liberals pat us on the head and tell us what good little faggots we are!!!</i> Exactly. You&#8217;re nothing but a photo op.</p>
<p>Most people would call that two-faced. I know I would.</p>
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		<title>By: PSUdain</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSUdain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**Political 270: politician swings around publicly through a different viewpoint, but ends up at some third point that may or may not be an amalgam of the previous two

Political 360: pure showmanship. Politician does a little public position twirl, but the public only gets to see the part up to 180 degrees.

(Just trying to communicate what I meant when I used those two phrases.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**Political 270: politician swings around publicly through a different viewpoint, but ends up at some third point that may or may not be an amalgam of the previous two</p>
<p>Political 360: pure showmanship. Politician does a little public position twirl, but the public only gets to see the part up to 180 degrees.</p>
<p>(Just trying to communicate what I meant when I used those two phrases.)</p>
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		<title>By: PSUdain</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240897</link>
		<dc:creator>PSUdain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won't argue that he can display class.  So can any politician.  I'm sorry, simply tolerating the fact we exist doesn't cut it anymore.  That's not groundbreaking; it's the absolute minimum that I would think one should demand from anyone who wants his vote.

There are plenty of Republicans who are actually gay-supportive.  Being able to celebrate a hero (gay or not) should just be expected, not something that someone needs accolades for.

I really &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to like McCain.  He's a little more moderate on some things.  He's a federalist above at least some other things.  He had the chutzpah to tell off the "agents of intolerance" back in 2000.  He's Barry Goldwater's successor (not that that has any significance other than symbolic).  But I'm sorry,  I just can't get past his positions on LGBT issues, not after his little public snuggle with ProtectMarriage.com, at least.

And let's not even go into the other 180's he's taken of late (or at least 270's---perhaps even 360's**).

I'm just not sure what to make of him anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t argue that he can display class.  So can any politician.  I&#8217;m sorry, simply tolerating the fact we exist doesn&#8217;t cut it anymore.  That&#8217;s not groundbreaking; it&#8217;s the absolute minimum that I would think one should demand from anyone who wants his vote.</p>
<p>There are plenty of Republicans who are actually gay-supportive.  Being able to celebrate a hero (gay or not) should just be expected, not something that someone needs accolades for.</p>
<p>I really <em>want</em> to like McCain.  He&#8217;s a little more moderate on some things.  He&#8217;s a federalist above at least some other things.  He had the chutzpah to tell off the &#8220;agents of intolerance&#8221; back in 2000.  He&#8217;s Barry Goldwater&#8217;s successor (not that that has any significance other than symbolic).  But I&#8217;m sorry,  I just can&#8217;t get past his positions on LGBT issues, not after his little public snuggle with ProtectMarriage.com, at least.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not even go into the other 180&#8217;s he&#8217;s taken of late (or at least 270&#8217;s&#8212;perhaps even 360&#8217;s**).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure what to make of him anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: marc paige</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240589</link>
		<dc:creator>marc paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather have a politician who supports gay men and women in our military, and anti-discrimination laws, and recognition of gay couples, than one who feels comfortable attending at a gay hero's funeral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather have a politician who supports gay men and women in our military, and anti-discrimination laws, and recognition of gay couples, than one who feels comfortable attending at a gay hero&#8217;s funeral.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240447</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've had politicians who've talked the talk, but then didn't back our legislative priorities. It was called the Clinton Administration.  Still, that was better than previous Administrations, Democrat and Republican, who were openly hostile to gay rights in both word and deed.

But it's not 1992. And it's not wrong to expect more, today, in 2008. 

McCain offers no progress, no change from what we've seen before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had politicians who&#8217;ve talked the talk, but then didn&#8217;t back our legislative priorities. It was called the Clinton Administration.  Still, that was better than previous Administrations, Democrat and Republican, who were openly hostile to gay rights in both word and deed.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not 1992. And it&#8217;s not wrong to expect more, today, in 2008. </p>
<p>McCain offers no progress, no change from what we&#8217;ve seen before.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240265</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah and Attmay: Thanks for the help. Is heliotropethehomophobe too long for a handle?

Oh, yeah, where do I learn the handshake and secret words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah and Attmay: Thanks for the help. Is heliotropethehomophobe too long for a handle?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, where do I learn the handshake and secret words?</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; McCain, CA Marriage Initiative &#38; Federalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240204</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; McCain, CA Marriage Initiative &#38; Federalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain at Funeral of Mark Bingham, Gay Hero of 9/11 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240151</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9: "Homophobia" is defined by party membership, not actions. In this case, membership in the Republican party, regardless of actions = bigot.

Orwell was right, and so was P.T. Barnum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9: &#8220;Homophobia&#8221; is defined by party membership, not actions. In this case, membership in the Republican party, regardless of actions = bigot.</p>
<p>Orwell was right, and so was P.T. Barnum.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240150</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heliotrope, All I can say is Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. I guess if you are straight, the only way to prove you aren't a homophobe is to bow down to every whim and desire the gay spokes men demand. It's easy if you are a woman, simply become a fag hag - or fruitfly - which I think is the current nomenclature. As a straight man - you're just screwed.

As to John McCain, no one is perfect. I do find that his attitude and respect towards gay people is so much more admirable than simply mouthing the right words. Btw, I haven't heard Obama come out and say that as a senator or a president he will fight to ensure that Same sex marriage is the law of the land. I've heard the same two step, marriage should be between a man and a woman and oh yeah, the CA supreme court was right in it's decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heliotrope, All I can say is Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. I guess if you are straight, the only way to prove you aren&#8217;t a homophobe is to bow down to every whim and desire the gay spokes men demand. It&#8217;s easy if you are a woman, simply become a fag hag - or fruitfly - which I think is the current nomenclature. As a straight man - you&#8217;re just screwed.</p>
<p>As to John McCain, no one is perfect. I do find that his attitude and respect towards gay people is so much more admirable than simply mouthing the right words. Btw, I haven&#8217;t heard Obama come out and say that as a senator or a president he will fight to ensure that Same sex marriage is the law of the land. I&#8217;ve heard the same two step, marriage should be between a man and a woman and oh yeah, the CA supreme court was right in it&#8217;s decision.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240147</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the minimal qualifications for being a homophobe? There seem to be so many that it must be an awfully easy club to join. Is being straight qualification enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the minimal qualifications for being a homophobe? There seem to be so many that it must be an awfully easy club to join. Is being straight qualification enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-240027</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 - Dave, if anybody knows anything about playing with one's self, it would be you.

And frankly, my use of the word "checkmate" is not overused and in the previous case, totally apropos.

Deal with it.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 - Dave, if anybody knows anything about playing with one&#8217;s self, it would be you.</p>
<p>And frankly, my use of the word &#8220;checkmate&#8221; is not overused and in the previous case, totally apropos.</p>
<p>Deal with it.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Pepe Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-239984</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepe Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"he honors the service and sacrifice of our heroes — regardless of their sexual orientation"

I think you're being a little generous on that one. While I think McCain is probably more gay-friendly than many of his Republican colleagues, I think he falls short on "honoring" the service of gay American heroes in uniform.

He wrote in 2007, "I do believe that any policy requiring the Armed Services to accomodate a particular lifestyle of whatever description is misguided." He still equates sexual orientation with "lifestyle" even though we all know that sexuality is not the sole determinant of lifestyle.

He then said, "open homosexuality within the military services presents and intolerable risk to morale, cohesion, and discipline." Any "open" sexuality presents risks. But the Army teaches risk management, not simply risk avoidance. 

You're right, he did display a lot of class on honoring Mark Bingham, but that doesn't negate his statements regarding the service of gay men and women in the military. So in one instance, he was right, but he continues to be wrong in another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he honors the service and sacrifice of our heroes — regardless of their sexual orientation&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re being a little generous on that one. While I think McCain is probably more gay-friendly than many of his Republican colleagues, I think he falls short on &#8220;honoring&#8221; the service of gay American heroes in uniform.</p>
<p>He wrote in 2007, &#8220;I do believe that any policy requiring the Armed Services to accomodate a particular lifestyle of whatever description is misguided.&#8221; He still equates sexual orientation with &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; even though we all know that sexuality is not the sole determinant of lifestyle.</p>
<p>He then said, &#8220;open homosexuality within the military services presents and intolerable risk to morale, cohesion, and discipline.&#8221; Any &#8220;open&#8221; sexuality presents risks. But the Army teaches risk management, not simply risk avoidance. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, he did display a lot of class on honoring Mark Bingham, but that doesn&#8217;t negate his statements regarding the service of gay men and women in the military. So in one instance, he was right, but he continues to be wrong in another.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinky Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/06/29/mccain-at-funeral-of-mark-bingham-gay-hero-of-911/#comment-239827</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinky Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, isn't it nice to have some old homophobe stand over your grave and mouth kind words so he can get elected while stirring the ashes of 9/11?  It is so funny how you guys will take such crumbs and roll over like grateful dogs.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;[GP Ed. Note - Ah, such lovely, typically liberal bile for a Monday morning.....]&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, isn&#8217;t it nice to have some old homophobe stand over your grave and mouth kind words so he can get elected while stirring the ashes of 9/11?  It is so funny how you guys will take such crumbs and roll over like grateful dogs.</p>
<p><em><strong>[GP Ed. Note - Ah, such lovely, typically liberal bile for a Monday morning.....]</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, how could he not have known given how open Bingham was about his sexuality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, how could he not have known given how open Bingham was about his sexuality?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"he honors the service and sacrifice of our heroes — regardless of their sexual orientation."

That would only be true if he knew that Bingham was a gay man.   While the gay press made much of that fact, how common was that knowledge outside?  Perhaps he did, or perhaps it wouldn't have made any difference but do we really know that?

Peter, I know it makes you feel all he-man when you celebrate an imagined victory with the overused (Crickets) Checkmate but if you're the only one that views it as a contest then aren't you just playing with yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he honors the service and sacrifice of our heroes — regardless of their sexual orientation.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would only be true if he knew that Bingham was a gay man.   While the gay press made much of that fact, how common was that knowledge outside?  Perhaps he did, or perhaps it wouldn&#8217;t have made any difference but do we really know that?</p>
<p>Peter, I know it makes you feel all he-man when you celebrate an imagined victory with the overused (Crickets) Checkmate but if you&#8217;re the only one that views it as a contest then aren&#8217;t you just playing with yourself?</p>
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