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	<title>Comments on: GPW:  Tolkien Geek</title>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; On Writing Fantasy Fiction</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-358322</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; On Writing Fantasy Fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be sure, when reading Tolkien&#8217;s The Return of the Shadow: The History of The Lord of the Rings, Part One, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Tolkien on Biden: Age Alone Does not Wisdom Make</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-299041</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Tolkien on Biden: Age Alone Does not Wisdom Make</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recounted last month, I have been reading J.R.R. Tolkien&#8217;s The History of the Lord of the Rings. This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-262734</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livewire--never really got into D &amp; D though I tired.  Seems there&#039;s a similarity though between the imaginary realms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livewire&#8211;never really got into D &#038; D though I tired.  Seems there&#8217;s a similarity though between the imaginary realms.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-257081</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me express understanding of your geekdom.

I got to meet Ed Greenwood at Origins, to the subset of geeks known as D&amp;D players, he is our Tolkien, his Realms as rich as Middle Earth.

So I understand your post.  Whether it be one or three or six books</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me express understanding of your geekdom.</p>
<p>I got to meet Ed Greenwood at Origins, to the subset of geeks known as D&amp;D players, he is our Tolkien, his Realms as rich as Middle Earth.</p>
<p>So I understand your post.  Whether it be one or three or six books</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-251724</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @ V the K. That looks brilliant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ V the K. That looks brilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-251054</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ILC, I see your point about not calling LoTR a trilogy, but I didn&#039;t know Tolkien aficionados weren&#039;t supposed to use the term.

It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; one continuous narrative, broken up into three books.  Still, since I first experienced the story as three books, for me, it will always be a trilogy.  

Or maybe I&#039;m just saying this because &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/06/the-big-woods-got-smaller/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two days ago&lt;/a&gt;, I drove past the branch of the Hamilton County Library where I first borrowed each of those three books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILC, I see your point about not calling LoTR a trilogy, but I didn&#8217;t know Tolkien aficionados weren&#8217;t supposed to use the term.</p>
<p>It <em>is</em> one continuous narrative, broken up into three books.  Still, since I first experienced the story as three books, for me, it will always be a trilogy.  </p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m just saying this because <a href="http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/06/the-big-woods-got-smaller/" rel="nofollow">two days ago</a>, I drove past the branch of the Hamilton County Library where I first borrowed each of those three books.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-251051</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;other atrocities from the movies ... have damaged my reading of Tolkien for a very long time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sssh! Nobody tell AE about &lt;a href=&quot;http://slurmed.com/?p=news&amp;date=2008/06/18&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bender&#039;s Game&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>other atrocities from the movies &#8230; have damaged my reading of Tolkien for a very long time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sssh! Nobody tell AE about <a href="http://slurmed.com/?p=news&amp;date=2008/06/18" rel="nofollow">Bender&#8217;s Game</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-250569</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfinished Tales! excuse me!</description>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-250565</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 septology?

GPW, 

I used to read Lord of the Rings every year too, usually when fall really starts settling in, but haven&#039;t been able to bring myself to it the last couple years -- at least until I can get that insufferable pussy of an Aragorn, Galadriel&#039;s CG-assisted freakout, Arwen&#039;s hot-potato necklace and other atrocities from the movies out of my head. I fear they have damaged my reading of Tolkien for a very long time. OF course, that won&#039;t prevent me from seeing the Hobbit on opening day. sigh.

I&#039;ve never read the unfinished stories though. Although I have read the Silmarillion, and Tree and Leaf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 septology?</p>
<p>GPW, </p>
<p>I used to read Lord of the Rings every year too, usually when fall really starts settling in, but haven&#8217;t been able to bring myself to it the last couple years &#8212; at least until I can get that insufferable pussy of an Aragorn, Galadriel&#8217;s CG-assisted freakout, Arwen&#8217;s hot-potato necklace and other atrocities from the movies out of my head. I fear they have damaged my reading of Tolkien for a very long time. OF course, that won&#8217;t prevent me from seeing the Hobbit on opening day. sigh.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never read the unfinished stories though. Although I have read the Silmarillion, and Tree and Leaf.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember if I read the LOTR or if what was read to us in grade school. Either way, I love the story, but not enough to be a &quot;geek&quot;. Just like Star Trek. Like the shows, but not enough to be a Trekkie. Not to mention the fact that I have a life and my virginity disappered long ago.

#3
That reminds me. Years ago I bought a book called &lt;I&gt;The Bounty Trilogy&lt;/i&gt;. I didn&#039;t know that the story of the &lt;i&gt;HMS Bounty&lt;/i&gt; was three separate books (apparently). Apparently, they were printed in 1932, 33 &amp; 34. I wonder if they were printed separately for similar reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember if I read the LOTR or if what was read to us in grade school. Either way, I love the story, but not enough to be a &#8220;geek&#8221;. Just like Star Trek. Like the shows, but not enough to be a Trekkie. Not to mention the fact that I have a life and my virginity disappered long ago.</p>
<p>#3<br />
That reminds me. Years ago I bought a book called <i>The Bounty Trilogy</i>. I didn&#8217;t know that the story of the <i>HMS Bounty</i> was three separate books (apparently). Apparently, they were printed in 1932, 33 &amp; 34. I wonder if they were printed separately for similar reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/07/07/gpw-tolkien-geek/comment-page-1/#comment-250129</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, girls, but I never could get into Tolkein, not even as a student mumblesomething years ago.

However, I find the Harry Potter series very entertaining and definitely am looking forward to the final 2 movies in the (ahem) trilogy.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, girls, but I never could get into Tolkein, not even as a student mumblesomething years ago.</p>
<p>However, I find the Harry Potter series very entertaining and definitely am looking forward to the final 2 movies in the (ahem) trilogy.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said... *Real* Tolkien geeks... ;-)

It is one novel, &quot;The Lord of the Rings&quot;.  It happens to have 6 part divisions.  Publishing it as 3 volumes (2 parts per volume) was a purely economic decision: paper was expensive in postwar Britain, and the publisher wanted to see if such a large, unusual work could gain any readers on the first couple parts. They could have as easily made it 2 volumes, or 6.  The volumes do not stand as distinct novels.  Their titles were invented and at least one of them (The Two Towers) barely fits.  Higher-priced, fine editions of LOTR restore the author&#039;s artistic intent by publishing it as one novel, one volume.

This sort of thing is to be contrasted with, say the Star Wars trilogies (Original and Prequel).  They are true trilogies, i.e., related-but-distinct works.  Lucas originally drafted Episodes 4, 5, 6 as one movie but realized it would be far too long, then divided them.  Episode 4 comes to its own conclusion and its pacing and other artistic qualities (e.g., acting) mark it as distinct from Episode 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said&#8230; *Real* Tolkien geeks&#8230; <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is one novel, &#8220;The Lord of the Rings&#8221;.  It happens to have 6 part divisions.  Publishing it as 3 volumes (2 parts per volume) was a purely economic decision: paper was expensive in postwar Britain, and the publisher wanted to see if such a large, unusual work could gain any readers on the first couple parts. They could have as easily made it 2 volumes, or 6.  The volumes do not stand as distinct novels.  Their titles were invented and at least one of them (The Two Towers) barely fits.  Higher-priced, fine editions of LOTR restore the author&#8217;s artistic intent by publishing it as one novel, one volume.</p>
<p>This sort of thing is to be contrasted with, say the Star Wars trilogies (Original and Prequel).  They are true trilogies, i.e., related-but-distinct works.  Lucas originally drafted Episodes 4, 5, 6 as one movie but realized it would be far too long, then divided them.  Episode 4 comes to its own conclusion and its pacing and other artistic qualities (e.g., acting) mark it as distinct from Episode 5.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been calling it the trilogy for as long as I can remember.</description>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I re-read the trilogy&lt;/blockquote&gt;Aargh, my eyes!  Real Tolkien geeks don&#039;t call it &quot;the trilogy&quot;... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I re-read the trilogy</p></blockquote>
<p>Aargh, my eyes!  Real Tolkien geeks don&#8217;t call it &#8220;the trilogy&#8221;&#8230; <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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