Holy sh– !! I just arrived in Philadelphia on a business trip and it is only 75 degrees!! 75 degrees in mid-August!
Forget Global Warming silliness, I am starting to wonder about global cooling.
Oh that’s right — fluctuations in weather aren’t called “weather” anymore.
Everything is now “climate change”.
UPDATE – Looks like I was onto something. I just saw this article from Drudge: Farmers’ Almanac says cold winter ahead. Â
Households worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the Farmers’ Almanac, which predicts below-average temperatures for most of the U.S.
“Numb’s the word,” says the 192-year-old publication, which claims an accuracy rate of 80 to 85 percent for its forecasts that are prepared two years in advance.
The almanac’s 2009 edition, which goes on sale Tuesday, says at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder than average temperatures, with only the Far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.
[Angered, Global Warming flings his black cape aside with disgust and puts a hex on the Farmers’ Almanac.]
So watch your favorite liberal suddenly viewing gas prices as being more important than the greening of America. By the way, what is Al Gore’s accuracy rate? Does anyone know?
GP right on the money again. In south Florida we finally got a tropical storm/hurricane. It has been a long time since Katrina/Wilma and we needed a good TS to break the 3 year drought Florida has been suffering. Yes the tropics depend on tropical storms and hurricanes. If you see Mr Gore please pass that along.
That is Emporer Gore to you and me.
Amen. Here in mid-America I had to put on a blanket last night and turn on a heater in the bathroom to take a shower this morning. This is late September weather — 50s at night and 70s in the daytime.
But I can’t complain; sure cuts the air-conditioning bills.
The good news is…if we are really entering a period of extended global cooling…..we now know how to warm it up. Just run the lawn mower round and round, and throw another steak on the bar b que. Presto chango. I feel so empowered knowing that we all can change the weather and the climate.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive
I’ve noticed that some midwest cities like Tulsa, Wichita, and KC seem to be having pretty mild weather for August. I wonder how they can make that into a chilling headline.
Here at home, it’s always 70 degrees… oh, wait, it’s San Diego. Never mind.
i’m sorry but, what don’t you understand about simple chemistry. you add massive amounts of carbon, methane etc. into the atmosphere and oceans and you think you don’t increase its heat carrying capacity. next think you will pontificate is that salt won’t melt ice.
#7 – Michael, carbon and methane would decrease exponentially if you and your fellow libtards kept your mouths shut.
Just a thought.
Regards,
Peter H.
michael, what don’t you understand…..the burning of fossel fuels by man has been going on for 60 years max. All of the earths ice ages and numerous global warming spurts have occured before that time. Some scientists now believe we are entering an extended period of GLOBAL COOLING. How can that be? Simple. Mankind has little to do with climate change. We can be responsible in the burning of fossel fuels yet remember that oil, gasoline, refrigeration, engines, hydrolics, global trade are some of the main reasons advanced modern civilizations are not scraping in the dirt to survive hand to mouth. Listening to leftists you would think they wished us all back to the stone age living like Barack’s half brother on a $1 a month. I’ve yet to get an answer from a global warming alarmist to explain why Mars is warming a couple degrees at the same time earth is. Could it be…….wait for it………the sun?
good grief. it’s not like we are in the midst of the sixth great known extinction or nothing. but then again what one expect from the dumbing down of america, oops i meant “no child left behind”.
Michael, dear, if Al Gore and the leftist Democrat Party he represents are so concerned about “massive amounts of carbon, methane, etc.”, you’d think they wouldn’t be leaving their fleets of Town Cars and Suburbans idling.
Speaking of “dumbing down”, it appears that michael stayed home the day that capitalization was discussed. He was left behind.
But… seeing as how Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, it’s not likely that the climate has been constant until the invention of the internal combustion engine (see #9, above). It’s a planet, not an indoor shopping mall.
And, Michael, I will venture a guess that I do know more about chemistry and physics than many of the GW faithful.
Human activity has an impact on climate. The point of debate is the magnitude of this impact. Human activities emit various gases but so does nature: termites in Africa (mostly untouched by western development) emit tons of methane; volcanoes emit all sorts of nasty gases (chlorine, sulfur oxides); and so on.
Last I heard, climate models are conflicted on the effect clouds have on global temperatures (i.e. assuming that the planet it warming, we don’t know if the warming increases or decreases cloud cover nor do we know if cloud cover cools the planet (albedo) or warms the planet (greenhouse effect).
And then there’s that big ball of fire 93 millions miles away that is anything but a constant.
Robert, one more thing you left out. The GW computer models that have been used to predict apocalyptic Global Warming assumed an infinitely thick atmosphere. They did not account for the fact that the Earth radiates heat into space.
Because of that error, and because of variations in solar activity, the models do not corroborate with what observation is telling us. The Earth’s mean global temperature has been declining since 1998. The Earth is cooling, not warming.
A lot of people were duped by the propaganda. But Al Gore got rich and never had to give up his Gulfstream jets. Suckers.
Didn’t anyone ever who bought into the hypothesis that the Earth had one perfect ideal temperature find it weird that this ideal temperature existed only during the youth of the baby-boomers?
Just to emphasize what V the K said, the computer models used by the IPCC, al Gore, and the rest of the global-warm-mongers cannot even accurately predict present climate conditions given known historical data. They are a farce!
Thats why they are in such a damned hurry to socialize everything, why their predictions grow increasingly dire — they know they have a limited time before it becomes clear to the public that global warming is a crock.
And yes, the Earth has been cooling, not warming over the last decade. This past year, the global temperature has been the coldest on record since the turn of the twentieth century. But I like to put it this way:
BUSH SOLVED GLOBAL WARMING!
Global Warming is a fact that can not be disputed. It happens when the global temperature rises. Global Cooling is a fact that can not be disputed. It happens when the global temperature declines.
What causes global warming? Well, first, you must cook your hamburger to at least 140 degrees inside temperature. This kills bad bugs hiding inside. The combination of prolonged hamburger cooking and the methane released by little bad bug bodies decomposing causes solar flares and an increase in butterfly flapping in Africa. You can look it up.
Michael, dear, if Al Gore and the leftist Democrat Party he represents are so concerned about “massive amounts of carbon, methane, etc.â€, you’d think they wouldn’t be leaving their fleets of Town Cars and Suburbans idling.
hey, we’re all guilty, all 6 billion plus of us.
No, michael, the Kyoto Accords did not include the insignificant populations of China and India. You didn’t get the memo.
#17 – All anyone has to do is what Bruce suggested – check out the Beijing smog on a hi-def TV. So much for the vaunted “Kyoto Accord.”
PS to michael and other lower-casers: Kyoto was not ratified by the Senate, in the CLINTON administration. Yet Algore at the time did not go on a crazed rampage on it until AFTER 2000.
Hypocrisy, thy name is liberalism.
Regards,
Peter H.
75? It’s 66 up here in the Alleghenies.
michael, if there were a preacher who told his congregation that if they practiced adultery, alcohol, and gambling they’d burn in Hell… and that preacher turned up drunk at a casino with a hooker under each arm… would you believe that he believed what he was preaching?
So, why should I cut back when Al Gore flies around in private jets and has homes that consume twenty times as much electricity as the average American? He apparently doesn’t believe that his footprint and his lifestyle are a problem.
It is a post like this that clearly indicates you have no knowledge of what global warming, climate change, or just plain science is… No expertise whatsoever, but quite about to spout off like a hack. Fascinating.
It is a post like this that clearly indicates you have no knowledge of what global warming, climate change, or just plain science is… No expertise whatsoever,
You may be right… you may be wrong (former undergrad geology student here – calc kicked my ars), but never the less, the anecdotal evidence of cooling is supported by something called FACTS!!! And no, this doesn’t dispute the AGW theory, but it does give pause.
#21 – “No expertise whatsoever, but quite about to spout off like a hack. Fascinating.”
Dare I say it? Oh, what the heck:
POT, MEET KETTLE.
Checkmate.
Regards,
Peter H.
I’ve kind of noticed jimmy never posts any actual facts. He just comes by and throws out some ad hominem attack. This tells me he doesn’t have any actual facts on his side.
Love how the GP gang really gives it to the Global Warming nutts. They seem so unarmed! Did you also notice how michael is upset because there are 6 billion of us? Is mankind really so evil. Do you wonder if leftists would really be happy if mankind was totally wiped out? The earth would be back to being human free and I guess pristine in their view. Like the typical leftist who does nothing about their own “carbon footprint” , the average lefty does nothing about the over population problem either, if you get my drift!
Three days ago it was predicted Tropical Storm Fay today would be up in Pennsylvania by now. As you probably know she is still criss crossing and moving across my beloved Florida ending a 3 year drought. The nutts who couldn’t predict where Fay was going, are some of the same who tell us we have 10-30 years to save the Earth from destruction. “Forecast Earth”. Now why wouldn’t a thinking man question the dire predictions?
sonic, there is no theory of global warming. 😉 dx/dy= dz
ah, gene. if you knew anything about ecology and carrying capacity, you’d have something constructive to say. if you knew what the rate of annual biodiversity decline is, you’d have something concrete to say. but alas……..
michael, please list for us the concrete things you are doing to eliminate YOUR carbon footprint. We know AlGore is a hypocrite on the man made global warming issue. Are you?
Some choices:
Do you do your laundry by hand at the creek.
Do you walk and have you sold off your automobile.
Do you eat only local organic foods.
Do you only wear locally grown and spun cotton clothing.
Do you disdain any and all A/C.
Do you read by candlelight instead of using electricity.
Have you contributed to wind and solar research.
Do you cut your lawn with a sythe instead of a lawn mower.
Do you use an outhouse instead of a water closet.
I’m sure the GP gang has other suggestions for leftists who want to lower their carbon footprint. That way us conservatives will continue to prosper while lefties live like tribesmen in the outback.
I also asked you the other day why in your opinion Mars is warming at the same rate the past 40 years as Earth. Ecology eh.
hey, we’re all guilty, all 6 billion plus of us.
Comment by michael — August 21, 2008 @ 9:37 am – August 21, 2008
mow the yard maybe twice a year, grow garden, borrow cars, got most of the invasives off the property, run a freezer, turn the water heater off most of the month, 40 bucks a month electric bill, do burn wood though with a catalytic unit. play in the river. anything else you want to know????
The mere fact that he leaves piles of excrement on this thread tells me he’s a blazing hypocrit.
Which is why the left digs pushing black women to get a carve job or toss babies that survive into storage closets. I, sir (and I use the term lightly) am guilty of nothing. If you want to be a blood gushing vagina, go right ahead. BUT don’t you dare tell me that I have to be one too.
sonic, there is no theory of global warming. 😉 dx/dy= dz
I think the guys at Realclimate might differ with that statement.
TGC, I agree. I am in no way guilty of Global Warming. michael should learn to speak for himself. If he wants to believe in unscientific, warped fantasies like AGW that make him out to be guilty, let him – but he has no business applying it to others.
Gentlemen,
It’s clear that michael and jimmy have their minds made up.
Please stop confusing them with facts.
ignorance can be bliss, i see.
Environmental Extremism really has gotten to be the left’s preferred religion (or substitute for religion). Global Warming is just it’s Apocalyptic Myth. And of course, those who reject Gaiaism must be denounced as heretics.
Indeed, VtheK — that must have been the “God” that Nancy Pelosi was referring to who has blessed us with Barack Obama.
Or the Government God.
As in unscientific religious belief? As in, michael, *your* unscientific religious belief? As in, michael, *your gross ignorance* as to the scientifically documented causes of climate change? Indeed. 🙂
(P.S. Here’s a hint. The scientifically documented causes of climate change start with that gigantic fusion reactor in the sky, which has lately brought measurable warming to Mars, Jupiter, Pluto…)
If ignorance is bliss, then libtards must be the happiest people on Earth. Not.
Regards,
Peter H.
michael,
thanks for all that you do. Al Gore has taught me to snatch up your carbon credits and live like a turd in a punch bowl. I will now let some air out of the tires on my SUV and drive alone to a distant latte spot making jack rabbit starts all the way. This I do in remembrance of you. You may now, go play in the river. If you fall in, close your mouth. I throw broken twisty florescent mercury laden bulbs in the river to make the turtles glow
Hey – Does anybody have ideas for cheap ways (like, other than just burning fuel) a person could increase their carbon footprint? I’m already using paper coffee cups at work, etc.
oh my mistake. just can’t imagine where got the idea that humankind is eating itself out of house and home and that the current atomospheric carbon dynamic has no parallel for the last 600,000 years.
There are at least three things wrong with that hypothesis.
1) You have no measurements from 600,000 years ago.
2) You assume that global climate is entirely stable and predictable.
3) You state that solar output is fixed and not in the least bit variable.
And this is assuming you even know what “atmospheric carbon dynamic” is or means.
Meamnwhile, michael, you haven’t answered why Al Gore was inside haranguing people about driving SUVs and large cars and leaving them idling unnecessarily…..while outside, his fleet of both was doing exactly that.
michael, Greenland could be circumnavigated in the 15th century and was home to a sizable sheep raising population who lived in communities now buried under ice. Recently, a silver mining operation from the middle ages was exposed under a receding glacier in Switzerland.
The poor rice farmers of Bali were smacked with a double whammy in the late 1970’s. Rice was a valued single harvest crop until the green revolution brought them a strong strain that can be harvested twice a year. Now, they can hardly afford to raise it because of the rice market glut.
A super volcano near (or possibly even) Krakatoa blew in 535 a.d. and threw the world into biological and human chaos for a century.
And you think that “global warming” or cooling is man made and something new? How arrogant of you and your Gorebot friends.
And there you have it, folks. Ignorance in action!
– The “current atmospheric carbon dynamic” is, in fact, CONTRARY to that predicted by AGW theory. AGW predicts that heat and carbon should be showing up in layer or dynamic X of the atmosphere; it hasn’t been. AGW scienticians refuse to admit the obvious, namely, that their theory is wrong and global warming has a different cause, a cause like, oh, the Sun.
– In the geological record, not only for the past 600,000 years but the past 600,000,000, atmospheric carbon changes have always *followed* atmospheric temperature changes. Not led – Followed. Again because of the obvious: CO2 doesn’t cause global warming. Sun cycles cause warming, then warming causes oceanic outgassing of CO2.
But hey – if Al Gore (who got these matters way, way wrong) is your source of information, then you’re gonna be ignorant. So let’s not blame michael.
Ignorance in action!
– The current atmospheric carbon dynamic is, in fact, contrary to that predicted by AGW theory. Temperature changes (such as they are) have been showing up in the wrong places.
– In the last 600,000 years, by the geological record, the Earth has at times been rather warmer than it is now. We still haven’t even reached the level of the Medieval Climate Optimum, as heliotrope brings out.
– In the last 600,000,000 years, CO2 has never caused warming. It *follows* warming. Sun cycles cause warming (or cooling) which then affects oceanic outgassing of CO2. Al Gore got it way, way wrong.
But if Al is your source of information, of course you’ll be ignorant. So let’s not blame michael too much.
(So in other words, “the current atmospheric carbon dynamic” has many parallels in the last 600,000 or 600,000,000 years… as in, CO2 *NOT* BEING THE CAUSE OF WARMING. Not then, or now.)
I know the Earth is 4 billion years old, but a serious question, does anyone know when documenting temperatures actually starts to make sense. For example today we have accurate digital thermometers that are very accurate. How far back can you safely go before the comparisons fall to pieces? Did they have a way to measure ambient air temps for example 2000 years ago? My point is of course that the GW nutts are saying our temps are up almost 2 degrees in the past 100 years. I’ve always wondered how they documented temps 100 or 1000 years ago. As you know some of the temp measuring stations TODAY have been found to be in fenced in cages on ashpalt lots, next to A/C exhaust ducts, etc.
michael, God bless you man, but you are only doing a couple of the suggested ideas to save the planet I mentioned in #29 above. That was just a very minor partial list of ways you can save us all. You don’t seem very passionate about this issue.
Gene in Pennsylvania,
There are little temperature molecules, measured in Gorems which are trapped in ice cores and reveal highly accurate readings when exposed to exotic computer analysis. Naturally, the Gorem escapes in the process and adds to global warming, so mostly, scientists depend on a consensus of what the most useful temperature reading would be for proving their theories.
If you put an ice cube in a glass and pour hot tea over it, you can actually hear the Gorems escaping. They have such power, that under certain conditions, they can occasionally break the glass. You can look it up.
Geme. this seems relevant:
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005472.html
Scientists (the real kind) have other methods like measuring the thickness of tree rings, layers of ice in deep ice cores, etc. It is all inferred and approximate – but they have to start somewhere.
Sorry, *Gene*. (typo-mania!)
Did we scare michael away? Darn.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism=One Child Left Behind.
Translation: michael, like Al Gore before him, isn’t equipped to argue this. He has nothing left.
“You have no measurements from 600,000 years ago.” My mistake. It’s 650,000. …. doncha know.
Who said that? Oh, NDT at #45.
wal-mart has, on sale, band-aids for yer knuckles.
Wow,
When given facts, michael replies with ignorance and insults.
And people say I’m bitter and cling to my religion?
it’s like having a chat with holocaust deniers, in here.
Unlike Global Warming, there is actual proof the Holocaust happened.
O-o-o-o-o-o-h!!!!!!! michael, you really stepped in it this time. If you intend to find equivalency between the Nazi/Russian holocaust visited upon Jews, homosexuals, mental incompetents, Gypsies, etc. and the concept of man made global warming being promoted by an amorphous blob of scientists who form a “consensus” ……….. you have really gone over the edge.
I will pass over the idiotic claim that you have ever tried to have a “chat” on this blog. No, I won’t. You don’t know how to chat. You only know how to float turds in a punchbowl.
But now, you have imagined in your alleged mind that those who see the chicken little hoax in man made global warming and the “end of days” are blindly denying the concrete evidence that the world is collapsing.
How about you keep genocide out of this discussion, unless you have information direct from Smersh and Chaos to the contrary.
More name-calling from you, michael. Truly, you’ve got nothing. Pathetic!!!
P.S. Since michael is now reduced to claims that people are essentially Jew-slaughtering Nazis if they won’t buy his anti-scientific religious beliefs, I declare victory under Godwin’s Law.
My comment, now in the spam filter or the ether, skewered poor, lame michael for trying to pawn equivalency between the Holocaust and Chicken Little man made global warming pseudo religion off on us.
He also claims to come here to “chat.” He come here to float a turd in the punch bowl. michael should be the official “ethics advisor” for the Madonna road show. But he might not be able to come up to her standards of moral relevancy.
While michael goes back to HuffPo to find new names to call, northern Michigan gets a freeze warning… in August!
But it’s totally the Global Warming skeptics who are in denial.
Hey AL GORE our local couty fair it was one of the mildess ever it was acuialy cooler for our fair in AUGUST so wheres all that GLOBAL WARMING?