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On links and hate comments

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 1:18 pm - August 30, 2008.
Filed under: Blogging,Civil Discourse,Mean-spirited leftists

Welcome Instapundit Readers!!*

When we get linked on conservative and libertarian blogs, I find no noticeable increase in hate comments (even as the number of comments (and new “commenters”) increases).

When we get linked on left-wing blogs, particularly left-wing gay blogs, there is significant such increase. (And an increase in my hate mail.)

*Will be investigating how that link impacts the comments.



  1. Oh. Is there a place that gives big odds on the opposite formula? I would like to place a bet.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 30, 2008 @ 1:47 pm - August 30, 2008

  2. Maybe conservatives have better things to do than SPAM liberal blogs and send hate mail all day.

    Now, ‘scuse me while I get back to stripping my front staircase.

    Comment by V the K — August 30, 2008 @ 2:28 pm - August 30, 2008

  3. I just received an email from a friend who was outraged that McCain had his birthday on the day of Katrina. WTF? I have a friend who shares a birthday with McCain and the Katrina storm, and three years ago, we bought her a cake and gave her a card. Honestly, we didn’t know the levees would break. Clearly, some people are not happy unless they’re angry.

    Comment by MikeInSedona — August 30, 2008 @ 3:00 pm - August 30, 2008

  4. I know exactly what you mean. I feel I am surrounded by liberal gays that do their best to make me feel like SH… I’d give anything to find some conservative gay friends so I wouldn’t feel like I’m fighting alone.

    Comment by keith — August 30, 2008 @ 3:31 pm - August 30, 2008

  5. #4: chin up, Keith. I know how you feel. It’s hard to deal with people who spend their lives looking for some reason, any reason, to be pissed off. I’m a cynic and self-declared misanthrope but even I can’t compete with some of the libs I run into.

    #3: Mike – thanks a lot. I now have even more to feel guilty about. My birthdate is on the day when Al-Queda was formed; the day downtown Salt Lake was hit by a tornado; the start of the Watts riots. I am, like, sooo ashamed. I’ll never be cheerful again.

    Comment by Robert — August 30, 2008 @ 5:11 pm - August 30, 2008

  6. Dan – for real hate, vitriol, venom, bile, &c – you just have to look to the party of compassion and love. Surely you’re not surprised.

    Comment by Robert — August 30, 2008 @ 5:13 pm - August 30, 2008

  7. No, Robert, I’m not, not in the least. I mean, these are people who recycle the cliches about black Klansmen and Jewish Nazis and thinkg they’re original when they do so.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — August 30, 2008 @ 5:37 pm - August 30, 2008

  8. I was born on St. Patrick’s Day. For some reason, everyone wants to get drunk on my birthday.

    If anyone makes their way to Boston, you’ll know at least one gay conservative — me!

    Comment by Julie the Jarhead — August 30, 2008 @ 6:20 pm - August 30, 2008

  9. I was born on May Day. On my birthday, communists used to hold military parades.

    Anyway, what I was going to say is: Do you think Obama will step up to the plate and ask his supporters to lay off the dirty attacks?

    Comment by V the K — August 30, 2008 @ 6:31 pm - August 30, 2008

  10. I was born on Liza Doolittle Day.
    Musicals! (and I’m not even gay go figure)

    Comment by BlogDog — August 30, 2008 @ 6:35 pm - August 30, 2008

  11. Not Gay. Not a Democrat. Not a Homophobe.

    Hello from an Instapundit reader! Pleased to meet you.

    ** bookmarks **

    Comment by Lauderdale Conservative — August 30, 2008 @ 6:41 pm - August 30, 2008

  12. I have no time to leave hateful comments – As a right-winger, I have to work during the day.

    Comment by DrLaszlo — August 30, 2008 @ 6:42 pm - August 30, 2008

  13. Don’t forget that Sarah Palin, in preperation for Katrina, got married 17 years, to the day, before Katrina.

    ‘Pub’s hate colored people so much, that they plan DECADES in advance, just to rub it in the noses of black people, when they are targeted by an act of god, to a lesser degree per capita and in total than white people.

    Comment by wickedpinto — August 30, 2008 @ 6:52 pm - August 30, 2008

  14. I came here from Instapundit and I hate you.

    OK, I lied, I just wanted to mess up the numbers.

    Comment by Paul — August 30, 2008 @ 6:54 pm - August 30, 2008

  15. I’m a straight, conservative male and welcome everyone who shares conservative views regardless of their gender, race or sexual orientation. It’s about ideas and inclusion, not fascism and isolation.


    Comment by balls flotard — August 30, 2008 @ 6:59 pm - August 30, 2008

  16. I just received an email from a friend who was outraged that McCain had his birthday on the day of Katrina.

    Yeah, cleary McCain should change his birth date.

    Comment by Charlie (Colorado) — August 30, 2008 @ 7:00 pm - August 30, 2008

  17. I have my wedding anniversary on Katrina day, too. Another reason to not enjoy the day……………Just kidding hun(looking over shoulder)

    Comment by JCJim — August 30, 2008 @ 7:08 pm - August 30, 2008

  18. Don’t hate the poster, hate the link.

    It’s not surprising. Go to the comment section of any left leaning blog and count the comments that include the word “fuck” or it’s variants. Near as I can tell it runs about 60%. On right leaning blogs it’s almost nothing. The numbers don’t change much when you include or exclude moderated comments.

    Liberals are vulgar, hateful people.

    Comment by Richard T — August 30, 2008 @ 7:14 pm - August 30, 2008

  19. I just don’t understand these liberals. Why so defensive and angry all the time?

    We are privileged enough to live in the greatest country on Earth, with more freedom and opportunity than anywhere in the world. Even if their lives aren’t perfect, don’t they realize there are others who have it much worse? Try protesting in China, or living in Burma or being a woman in Saudi Arabia.

    Interestingly enough, most of the people protesting at the DNC looked pretty affluent to me. Spoiled w. an arrogant sense of entitlement.

    Comment by Anne C. — August 30, 2008 @ 7:27 pm - August 30, 2008

  20. I have always wondered why the Republicans don’t try to make more out of the Democrats obvious hatred.
    Why aren’t the Republicans going out of their way to re-brand Democrats as the Party of Hate?

    There are plenty of examples. Imagine a series of TV ads along the format of McCain’s Celebrity/Obama ads showing examples of “the party of tolerance” issuing hate-filled comments and then ending with the tag line “Democrats: The Party of Hate” or “Is your hate politically correct hate?”. Then follow-up with the negative association ads of people claiming to be Democrats and proudly proclaiming that they hate [insert non-PC identity group] or that their hate is politically correct hate.

    If Democrats believe that hatred and vitriol is a virtue, we should throw back in their face. The first part of winning against them (long-term) is destroying this idea that they are good people.

    Comment by EvilDave — August 30, 2008 @ 7:29 pm - August 30, 2008

  21. Hopefully, this is because the conservative & libertarian commenters are more grown up. I’m also visiting from Instapundit, and I think your blog is very nice. I don’t visit regularly, but I’m never disappointed when I do. Best wishes.

    Comment by Jill — August 30, 2008 @ 7:31 pm - August 30, 2008

  22. The con sites want to disavow teh gay, thats why they don’t link to you or bother with you.

    Just like at the family picnic or the Log Cabin Con meetings.

    Comment by Tim O — August 30, 2008 @ 7:34 pm - August 30, 2008

  23. Try posting a post distinctly contrary to conservative orthodoxy and see what happens. The more publicly controversial the better. A few years ago I posted against the right-wing fight to take over the Terri Schiavo case and wrote against the pandering Rep. members of the US Congress who tried to federalize the case. My comments and email were filled with angry, name-calling hate by conservatives.

    Surely you cannot be surprised that other conservative or libertarian blog readers don’t hate-comment you when your posts sing their song. Sing a 180-out song and see what happens.

    Comment by Donald Sensing — August 30, 2008 @ 7:41 pm - August 30, 2008

  24. Heck, my wife & I got married 30 yrs to the day before the WTC came down. At least it makes it easier to remember my anniversary (and no, my marriage isn’t a disaster in the least).

    Now my son and D-I-L have been both Katrina’d and Gustav’d from NOLA. I hope that girl finishes her PhD soon and they can move back to Calif where 2″ of rain in 24 hrs counts as a Major Storm!

    [via Instapundit]

    Comment by Roy in Nipomo — August 30, 2008 @ 7:41 pm - August 30, 2008

  25. heh… well hey, they’re just being authentic. Frankly I’m ashamed as a devout gay basher that I’m so repressed about my pathologies that I even convince my self I love gays as much as all people. Maybe I should come out of the closet like the emotionally freed progressive superheroes that muddy up youse guys site!

    Comment by Robbie — August 30, 2008 @ 7:42 pm - August 30, 2008

  26. Even being a cynical web surfer, I’ve been shocked at the hate coming from left commenters all over, cf Atlhouse’s post on Palin searchers landing at her site, or the hand-to-hand combat at talkleft in the comment sections of the Palin posts.

    I’ve long been distressed at how hatefilled left leaning sites are on a broad range of topics, compared to right leaning sites, and quite puzzled at the situation.

    Actual data from would be fascinating to see..

    Comment by InstaReader — August 30, 2008 @ 7:46 pm - August 30, 2008

  27. Just so ya know, libs & leftists read Instapundit too. They will surely try to throw a monkey wrench into your little experiment.

    Comment by Becky — August 30, 2008 @ 7:48 pm - August 30, 2008

  28. I cant imagine for the life of me why a liberal gay, who CERTAINLY should be self assured and content in his life and lifestyle views, should bother in the least to harass someone less informed than himself.

    It’s the conservative gays who should be out there seeking approbation. I mean dont you find yourself doubting yourself every waking moment?

    I mean here I am, a white straight geezer male neocon and I’m so worried that I’m wrong in my outlook, that I think I’d better come on here and spread some real HATE around so at least I’ll feel I did something.

    Comment by pettyfog — August 30, 2008 @ 7:56 pm - August 30, 2008

  29. Most of the conservatives I know still buy into the idea of treating folks the way you want to be treated. Even if they disagree, they are more than willing to talk you out of it, politely.

    Lefties, not so much. They seem to feel that if someone disagrees with you, it is not worth the effort to discuss, or persuade. They go for bullying tactics.

    Not surprising that after 9-11, many of the same lefties tried to make many of us believe that Al-Quada had greivences, and that killing 3,000 innocent people in cold blood is a valid form of political protest.

    Comment by Ben — August 30, 2008 @ 7:59 pm - August 30, 2008

  30. I think you’re equating “conservatives” with “moderates”, so please let me define terms as I understand them. Moderates are people who might agree with this particular political or social position, and might disagree with that one. Some support gun rights, some do not. Some support gay rights, some do not. Same with recreational drug decriminalization, preemptive war, abortion rights, etc. Some do, some don’t, but the unifying principle is that we can all agree on some issues, disagree on others, and argue about the rest. That’s the democratic, American civil discourse.

    I find, increasingly, those on the left don’t want to do this, and unfortunately, too many leftist gays who are the most vociferous against free speech and free opinion. They want their views accepted without question or analysis.

    I congratulate you on keeping an open mind, and keeping this blog going.

    Comment by RebeccaH — August 30, 2008 @ 8:05 pm - August 30, 2008

  31. My birthday is the same as Hillary’s. Talk about humiliating…

    Comment by Choey — August 30, 2008 @ 8:08 pm - August 30, 2008

  32. Well, since every time I get linked here by Insty it’s to read some nice conservative post, it’s no wonder I’m not angry enouh to post a flame. The leftwingers who get linked to here come with an agenda. I’m not defending them. They are, typically, more hateful by nature. It’s just that you will get less hate from people who agree with you. Gender identity and such have little to do with it.

    Comment by Buford Gooch — August 30, 2008 @ 8:15 pm - August 30, 2008

  33. I don’t know about comments on left wing blogs. But I do know this. I’m a conservative and I don’t care how you get your rocks off, or whose pole you climb.

    And I wish we’d get rid of the so called religious right.

    Comment by Jack — August 30, 2008 @ 8:30 pm - August 30, 2008

  34. “I cant imagine for the life of me why a liberal gay, who CERTAINLY should be self assured and content in his life and lifestyle views, should bother in the least to harass someone less informed than himself.”

    That’s right liberal gays should know their place like con gays do. On the bottom rung of the party.

    They should support and accept the party that wishes they would convert to hetero or die.

    That blames Katrina on the Gay pride parade.

    That blames 9/11 on the “sodomites”.

    I know, I know that is not the Republican party you know. . .

    It’s the liberals that wish death on gays and blame them for the ills of society.

    Palin, will say, “I like gays. Everyone should have their hair done by one.”

    But no family or visitation, no marriage or civil union.

    Comment by Tim O — August 30, 2008 @ 8:33 pm - August 30, 2008

  35. Unfortunately for that argument, Tim, those same people who you are attempting to attack are the ones that the Obama supports and endorses.

    So if you hate people you call antigay and politicians who support and endorse them…..why do you support and endorse Obama?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 30, 2008 @ 8:47 pm - August 30, 2008

  36. Hate is going around.

    I just self-banned from a World War I history site, of all places. I’d made the comment that the British soldiers didn’t mutiny against their officers because it went against social mores of the time, and it was as if I’d said I wanted to screw all their mommas.

    Most of the members are older leftist Brits, people I’d communicated with for three years.

    None of that counted for anything. Suddenly I was an arrogant, rude, superior Yank from an insane country full of gun-loving morons who got what they deserved on 9/11.

    It was as if they were all waiting for a reason to trash me and my country.

    I think leftists are simply angrier than righties, because the ideology itself teaches you that all is not well, and people suck by nature.

    Comment by Tom W. — August 30, 2008 @ 8:49 pm - August 30, 2008

  37. That would be funny, Tim O, if Obama weren’t supporting and endorsing the very people that you’re screaming about.

    And given that HRC executive leaders endorsed FMA supporters like Harold Ford, and that gays and lesbians gave tens of millions of dollars to state constitutional amendment supporters like John Kerry who bragged about having the “same position” as Republicans…..

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 30, 2008 @ 8:49 pm - August 30, 2008

  38. If that were the case, Tim O, you would surely think that you wouldn’t endorse and support a political candidate who endorses and supports such “antigay” people as Rick Warren and TD Jakes.

    But Obama does, and you endorse and support him.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 30, 2008 @ 8:51 pm - August 30, 2008

  39. My birthday is the same as Joseph McCarthy. Whatever. I’ll keep my birthday.

    I’m left of center, and I don’t get all the hate-filled invective by those who disagree with them. I don’t visit Daily Kos or some of these other places where they apparently simply echo the webmaster(s) and berate or namecall those with a disagreeing viewpoint. Perhaps the numbers are way higher for liberals than conservatives, but I’ve seen plenty of conservatives spewing out the hate and/or namecalling against the lefties. There was also a website, PolPundit (I think) that this site used to have on their blogroll, but when they became a conservative version of DailyKos, they were pulled from the blogroll.

    I don’t mind disagreeing with anyone politically. My issue is when my position is mischaracterized, taken to an extreme, or otherwise demonized, as if my opinions cannot be criticized on their own right.

    Comment by Pat — August 30, 2008 @ 8:51 pm - August 30, 2008

  40. I think I might qualify as a member of the religious right. Oops.

    Oh well, I still love you guys and you write one of my very, very favorite blogs. Thanks for writing!

    Comment by jojo — August 30, 2008 @ 9:07 pm - August 30, 2008

  41. simple distinction really. Right types or libertarians of the small “L” bent think those who dissagree are simply wrong in there logic.
    The Far left kooks feel if you disagree with them you are EVIL. Proof of their incorrectness only enforces the fact YOU ARE EVIL. It usually stems from the lack of facts to back up their side of things, and all the failures seem to cause them more grief. Make’s them so bitter they make me look “Chipper”.
    {via Insty as well, though I’ve been here before}

    Comment by JP — August 30, 2008 @ 9:24 pm - August 30, 2008

  42. Conservatives, by definition, don’t generally want to make big, sweeping, radical changes. That’s why they are conservative. As such, they spend their time doing things that make them happy. They don’t expend a lot of energy getting pissed off at things.

    Liberals, on the other hand, are by definition not happy with the status quo. They want big, sweeping, radical changes. To be a liberal means you are dissatisfied. The degree of your dissatisfaction, in fact, is proportional to the degree you are liberal, since it indicates the degree to which you want things to change.

    It’s no surprise, therefore, that liberals tend to be much more pessimistic then conservatives, they tend to look at the world from a “glass half empty” view point, and are much more prone to being angry, and to spew venom and nastiness.

    I think that people who are by nature more negative, pessimistic, or angry find themselves drawn toward liberalism because it feeds their impulses. People who are cheerful and happy by nature don’t find much to connect with in liberal circles, so they become conservative.

    Comment by Rick — August 30, 2008 @ 9:32 pm - August 30, 2008

  43. I am what my friends call a hardcore conservative, slightly to the right of Attila the Hun (lol), and frankly, I could give a rat’s rear end what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult.

    The hatred, sexism and racism appears to me to be concentrated on our friends in the left. I don’t see someone based on color, sexual preference, gender or creed, but every time I turn around, they seem to.

    My first comment to my wife wasn’t “Heck yeah, McCain picked a woman”. It was, “Wow, McCain picked a true conservative!”

    The Democrats don’t get it. Palin won’t attract many women from Hillary’s camp, but she’ll certainly energize the base, and with the evangelicals and conservatives energized in the heartland, McCain now has a decent shot at pulling off the upset.

    Great blog, and keep up the good work!

    Comment by Bill — August 30, 2008 @ 9:39 pm - August 30, 2008

  44. North Dallas, your comments were so eloquent, I’m glad you posted them twice.

    He opposes gay marriage bans and supports civil unions. Not quite liberal enough for me but, no one’s perfect.

    Do those positions match with the gay patriots?

    Comment by Tim O — August 30, 2008 @ 10:15 pm - August 30, 2008

  45. As a gay conservative who goes to a number of gay blogs every day, I have to say that there are some gay bloggers that do demonize all Republicans and all conservatives. I happen to be conservative on fiscal and defense issues. Whoever is elected this November will get my prayers. Being the President of the United States is an unbelievability difficult, thankless job.

    I have enjoyed reading Glenn Reynold’s blog for a long time. It is one of the best on the web.

    Comment by Swampfox — August 30, 2008 @ 10:20 pm - August 30, 2008

  46. I admit, I generally only come here from an Insty link. If this was ByzantineHistoryPatriot rather than GayPatriot maybe I’d find more to relate to on a personal level. :^)

    Still, even though I’m not your target demographic and am an infrequent contributor, it would be a waste of my time and yours to insult you. I don’t particularly care about the “gay” part of your oeuvre anymore than you’d care about every minute thing I care about. I care about the “patriot” part. I suspect most real conservatives (like Goldwater) and thinking gay folk (like Manji) would understand.

    Comment by David Ross — August 30, 2008 @ 11:43 pm - August 30, 2008

  47. I’ve read your blog for a long time. Came over from Insty today. And thought I’d blog rolled you ages ago. Evidently not. Rectified that just now.

    You’re not alone in this observation. When I posted on abortion, the Lefties were so awful. And don’t post anything negative about Barack Obama. Shooey! The hate! And the misogynistic comments. Half I refused to publish most, they were so bad.

    Btw, my birthday is Pearl Harbor Day. Tragic day for multiple reasons.

    Comment by Melissa — August 31, 2008 @ 12:13 am - August 31, 2008

  48. Greetings from a Libertarian who reads Instapundit daily. Interesting topic drew me here. IIRC somebody did an analysis of invective and profanity in weblog comments, left and right, and the lefties wound up looking filthy by comparison. Wish I had kept the link. And didn’t cartoonist Rall look at the evidence, and then withdraw his claim that lefties are no more profane and nasty than cons? He was shocked, I believe, and admitted his surprised disappointment.

    There have to be reasons for what I see as a definite distinction, and yes, I say the liberals are more profane and obnoxious. I don’t know why they are, but I wonder about the sharp demarcation between individualists and collectivists. I also recall that cons have been claimed to be more scholarly, reading Richard Wright and Hayek and Bastiat, while few libs have a clue about the intellectual history of Utopian collectivism and left-liberal fascism. The claim is that cons have evolved and left the paleoright behind, and with it hatred of Jews and other minorities, while the libs are still looking for scapegoats…such as the Israelis. Too, C. N. Parkinson noted in his “East and West” the self-hatred in the cultural elite of the West, and linked it to art and architecture…with the UN’s physical complex on Turtle Bay his ultimate example of the confluence of inanities. Lots to ponder here.

    But I dunno. Maybe libs just feel that you have to get emotionally intense if you are going to get Power to the People and Eat the Rich? I mean, what rational person would give Billy Ayers a job in education? You have to be emotionally scrambled….IMHO.

    Like your website, will be back for more.

    Comment by Benson — August 31, 2008 @ 12:42 am - August 31, 2008

  49. “And I wish we’d get rid of the so called religious right.”

    Gay Patriot, does it still count as a hate comment if the hate isn’t directed at you?

    Comment by Vader — August 31, 2008 @ 1:15 am - August 31, 2008

  50. JoJo,

    Don’t assume that guy speaks for any of the rest of us. I love the religious right! Hell, I’m religious and definitely right, so I guess that makes me the religious right.

    Comment by American Elephant — August 31, 2008 @ 1:58 am - August 31, 2008

  51. It’s hard to deal with people who spend their lives looking for some reason, any reason, to be pissed off….I’ll never be cheerful again.

    That’t it! Libs are dementors!

    Comment by American Elephant — August 31, 2008 @ 2:00 am - August 31, 2008

  52. keith,

    buck up. sounds like this is a good place for you.

    Comment by American Elephant — August 31, 2008 @ 2:01 am - August 31, 2008

  53. I’m a lifelong republican, 5th generation in my family (I guess that makes me a hateful person)…I don’t support gay marriage, but I do support civil unions.

    I’m religious, but not a christian.

    I support a woman’s right to choose, or not to choose abortion (that’s between her and G-d or her conscience) though I oppose late term abortions on the premise that if the fetus can survive outside of the womb…then have it and give it up or adoption.

    On the otherhand, I’m a big fan of TR of “speak softly and carry a big stick” fame…but don’t be afraid to use that stick when necessary.

    I think that our educational system is sick and needs serious reforms, but I’m not certain what those reforms should be, so I’m open to suggestions on that score.

    I think that there needs to be some major overhauls of how WashDC/Fed Gov’t is run/works…eliminate all earmarks would be a start in the right direction. Complete reporting of all sources of income for our elected representatives would be another…

    Personally, I don’t care what you do behind your front door, or whom you do what with…as long as you don’t attempt to impose your choices on me, I’ll do the same for you…a great book I read once said, “Love your neighbor as yourself”.

    My life is too short for me to spew out hateful remarks on blogs. I’m too busy, and work far too hard trying to life a good life and to teach my kids to do that same.

    So…live long and prosper…adio, vado


    Comment by Rich Vail — August 31, 2008 @ 3:00 am - August 31, 2008

  54. i lurk here, but hardly post. hope you don’t take that personally.

    i’m a player, but not a hater. i don’t hate players but hate getting played.

    that’s how i roll, yo.

    Comment by rt — August 31, 2008 @ 3:33 am - August 31, 2008

  55. I noticed the same thing on my blog. If you challenge their orthodoxy in some way, you become a heretic. Lefties have replaced religion with politics. But it’s the same kind of zealotry.

    In my case, I bash Global Warming hysteria a lot and it attracts people who take that as a sacred cow. And I just made hamburger out of their cow. So rather than refute my arguments, they attack me personally.

    It doesn’t matter if you are a gay or black conservative. I’m a straight quasi-libertarian. What they care about is that you dared to contradict their beliefs. You threaten what they think is reality And like religious zealots, they feel they have to attack.

    Comment by James Hudnall — August 31, 2008 @ 5:30 am - August 31, 2008

  56. Not Gay. Not a Democrat. Not a Homophobe.

    Hello from an Instapundit reader! Pleased to meet you.

    ** bookmarks **

    Same from me.

    Comment by Richard Wood — August 31, 2008 @ 9:31 am - August 31, 2008

  57. I wonder how many in the gay community actually understand the candidates’ positions on gay marriage? If poster Tim O. is an example, then I suspect that a sizable percentage are unaware that Obama, like Bill and Hillary, like Johns Kerry and Edwards, like Joe Biden is anti-gay marriage. He doesn’t believe in the need for a constitutional amendment but wants each individual state to decide its policy. McCain differs how? His position is exactly the same as Obama’s but recognizes that a constitutional amendment may need to be a last resort to counteract judges overriding the will of the people. Seems to me that would be the end-game even under Obama as president should judicial activism attempt to nullify the legislature.
    Both candidates are pro-civil union.
    Where is the difference?
    Also, Palin has done more for gay rights than all 3 of the candidates combined. Does the gay community know that?

    Comment by livermoron — August 31, 2008 @ 12:22 pm - August 31, 2008

  58. I have problems when posting comments at lefty sites – and I only visit the sane ones! The visitors are invariably more virtiolic than the authors. Sometimes the authors tsk-tsk those commenters but frequently not. It must be exhausting to try to put out fires in every thread.

    NB, chalk me up as another conservative who yawns at the gay thing. I have a lesbian on my bowling team (heck, our house has an entire gay bowling league!) and the only thing I care about is that she has a 145 average. Well, that and she’s good company.

    Comment by Jack Diederich — August 31, 2008 @ 4:05 pm - August 31, 2008

  59. Livermoon: GOOD POINT!!!

    On the other hand, I don’t know how many in the NON-Gay community know the difference either. After all, many people in 2004 said that they were voting for Bush instead of Kerry because of gay marriage . . . even though both Bush and Kerry had EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION ON THE ISSUE!

    Put your money on the ignorance of the average American (straight OR gay) and you’ll rarely lose.

    Comment by DesertDavey — August 31, 2008 @ 4:51 pm - August 31, 2008

  60. On the top issue:

    I must say that I spend WAY too much time surfing the blogs. And, to be honest, I see plenty of hate on all sides of every issue.

    If you think the hate is bad on sites which question the gay agenda, just take a look at the hate left by anti-abortion folks on pro-choice websites. It makes all the left wing hate speech sound like nursery rhymes!!

    Comment by DesertDavey — August 31, 2008 @ 4:54 pm - August 31, 2008

  61. Julie the Jarhead (#8) writes: “I was born on St. Patrick’s Day. For some reason, everyone wants to get drunk on my birthday.”

    My brother-in-law was born on December 31. He gets fireworks and parties!

    She adds: “If anyone makes their way to Boston, you’ll know at least one gay conservative — me!”

    As a free-market/individualist able-bodied straight white male click-over from Instapundit, I gather I’m expected to aim some hateful comment at Julie. Here goes …

    How about our Sox? Do they have enough healthy bodies, home field advantage, and time to overtake the Rays, or will they at least hold on for the Wild Card?

    Comment by Ryan from Tucson — August 31, 2008 @ 5:34 pm - August 31, 2008

  62. Why don’t you do something to reign in the hate comments of your regular posters here?

    Comment by Kevin — August 31, 2008 @ 9:42 pm - August 31, 2008

  63. #61 – “Why don’t you do something to reign [sic] in the hate comments of your regular posters here?”

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Peter H.

    PS: It’s “rein,” not “reign.” That’s what The SnObama wants to do for the next 4 years.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 2, 2008 @ 12:59 am - September 2, 2008

  64. PS: It’s “rein,” not “reign.” That’s what The SnObama wants to do for the next 4 years.

    I thought he said 10 years. He wants to be president of all 57 states for the next ten years.

    Comment by V the K — September 2, 2008 @ 7:51 am - September 2, 2008

  65. […] I thanked him for linking my post on links and hate comments, I told him the comments I received to the post confirm my point-that there’s a noticeable […]

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  66. It’s really sad you have to get hate mail at all related to your sexuality. I certainly don’t think the right is totally blameless as far as being closed minded (particularly when it comes to sexual orientation) but man is it amazing how the left reacts to anyone in one of their self-proclaimed victims groups who doesn’t tow the party line. IMHO, taking a shot as someone’s sex, orientation, skin-color etc is just lame. To that end, I agree with the left’s rhetoric. Too bad many of the far lefties are so selective as to when it’s ok to say something ugly about race/sex/orientation etc.

    Calling a gay man a F** is always a pathetic cheap shot and it’s never ok. But if straight people point that out to lefties that are being ugly, they immediately dismiss us and say we have no legitimate grounds to comment on the subject. The ironic thing is that you frequently hear the left blabbing about self-loathing with regard to Gay republicans or Black or female republicans. However if they can harbor that much vitriol to someone who is like them but has a differing political viewpoint – and if they think it’s ok to say really ugly stuff about such people, aren’t they really the ones who are self-loathing?

    Anyway, even though it was a short post, like almost all that you write it was excellent. Keep up the great work! The people that write you hate mail would need to stand on a building to kiss your a55 and deep down, they know it.

    Comment by Bill — September 3, 2008 @ 11:01 am - September 3, 2008

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