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	<title>Comments on: Why the GOP should avoid gay issues in St. Paul</title>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Getting My Wish on Gay Issues at GOP Convention</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-305020</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Getting My Wish on Gay Issues at GOP Convention</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] day before I left for the Republican National Convention, I advised the GOP to avoid gay issues in St. Paul. Once there, my impression was that they heeded my advice. (Maybe folks at the RNC read this blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] day before I left for the Republican National Convention, I advised the GOP to avoid gay issues in St. Paul. Once there, my impression was that they heeded my advice. (Maybe folks at the RNC read this blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301858</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GPWest, I strongly disagree with your post. Gay issues are dear to the convictions of many social conservatives, and the GOP would therefore be ill-advised to avoid all mention of this matter. Personally, I am for a verbal statement from the convention this week that clearly articulates the GOP platform regarding gay marriage. For many social conservatives, gay issues are as much a matter of morality as issues regarding the unborn. 

Are conservative gay folks really so thin-skinned that the mere mention of gay issues at the convention causes consternation???

If so, shame on you.  

Do us all a simple favor and get a spine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GPWest, I strongly disagree with your post. Gay issues are dear to the convictions of many social conservatives, and the GOP would therefore be ill-advised to avoid all mention of this matter. Personally, I am for a verbal statement from the convention this week that clearly articulates the GOP platform regarding gay marriage. For many social conservatives, gay issues are as much a matter of morality as issues regarding the unborn. </p>
<p>Are conservative gay folks really so thin-skinned that the mere mention of gay issues at the convention causes consternation???</p>
<p>If so, shame on you.  </p>
<p>Do us all a simple favor and get a spine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301819</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it so happens I need new tires for my Jeep. So, I'm going to buy Goodyear just to spite you. Neener. Neener. Neener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it so happens I need new tires for my Jeep. So, I&#8217;m going to buy Goodyear just to spite you. Neener. Neener. Neener.</p>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301817</link>
		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"20. If a company’s policy prohibits employees from discussing pay like mine does, then such discussion is done at their own risk."

Nothing is stopping you from working somewhere else then, if that's an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;20. If a company’s policy prohibits employees from discussing pay like mine does, then such discussion is done at their own risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing is stopping you from working somewhere else then, if that&#8217;s an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I abhore any sort of affirmative hiring practice that would put a less qualified applicant in place of a more qualified one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I abhore any sort of affirmative hiring practice that would put a less qualified applicant in place of a more qualified one.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20. If a company's policy prohibits employees from discussing pay like mine does, then such discussion is done at their own risk.

21.  I think it is a misconception that Democratic Party members believe people should be paid equally regardless of the compentency of their work.  I'll re-read the 47-page decision and dissent, but don't recall where Goodyear submitted Ledbetter was less competent in her work than her male counterparts; they simply asserted the statute of limitations had run out, where the dissenting justices asserted the clock started with each constructive receipt of pay.

It seems like Goodyear fought this a) to avoid paying penalties and interest, and fines for failure to timely deposit and file all taxes associated with the back pay b) to avoid any fines, penalties and interest for filing incorrect W2'S, and c) to avoid a complete audit of any other violations per the FLSA.  

I will take the suggestioin and go out of my way not to give Goodyear any of my business going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20. If a company&#8217;s policy prohibits employees from discussing pay like mine does, then such discussion is done at their own risk.</p>
<p>21.  I think it is a misconception that Democratic Party members believe people should be paid equally regardless of the compentency of their work.  I&#8217;ll re-read the 47-page decision and dissent, but don&#8217;t recall where Goodyear submitted Ledbetter was less competent in her work than her male counterparts; they simply asserted the statute of limitations had run out, where the dissenting justices asserted the clock started with each constructive receipt of pay.</p>
<p>It seems like Goodyear fought this a) to avoid paying penalties and interest, and fines for failure to timely deposit and file all taxes associated with the back pay b) to avoid any fines, penalties and interest for filing incorrect W2&#8242;S, and c) to avoid a complete audit of any other violations per the FLSA.  </p>
<p>I will take the suggestioin and go out of my way not to give Goodyear any of my business going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs For Victory &#187; Being Anti-Anti-Gay</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301775</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs For Victory &#187; Being Anti-Anti-Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2nd, 2008 at 02:59am Mark Noonan   Interesting concept, from Gay Patriot West: Some would have McCain use the issues of gay marriage and gays in the military. But, as I said in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2nd, 2008 at 02:59am Mark Noonan   Interesting concept, from Gay Patriot West: Some would have McCain use the issues of gay marriage and gays in the military. But, as I said in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301748</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 - Yes, since you are the one we consider "unhinged."

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 - Yes, since you are the one we consider &#8220;unhinged.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301735</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12:  Interesting comment in light of today's news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12:  Interesting comment in light of today&#8217;s news.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301694</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are you completely un-appalled that Goodyear did, in fact, pay Ms. Ledbetter considerably less than male counterparts?&lt;/i&gt;

Not really, since they demonstrated that there was no discrimination that took place during the requisite period. Indeed, &lt;i&gt;she&lt;/i&gt; didn't even try to claim that there was discrimination against her during the requisite period. She was screaming about discrimination, but couldn't even come up with when it had actually happened.

What is appalling is how Democrat Party members believe that people who perform less competently than others should receive the same pay as those who perform more competently. But then again, this IS the party that believes you should receive &lt;a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/145557" rel="nofollow"&gt; the same pay for not working as you do for working&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you completely un-appalled that Goodyear did, in fact, pay Ms. Ledbetter considerably less than male counterparts?</i></p>
<p>Not really, since they demonstrated that there was no discrimination that took place during the requisite period. Indeed, <i>she</i> didn&#8217;t even try to claim that there was discrimination against her during the requisite period. She was screaming about discrimination, but couldn&#8217;t even come up with when it had actually happened.</p>
<p>What is appalling is how Democrat Party members believe that people who perform less competently than others should receive the same pay as those who perform more competently. But then again, this IS the party that believes you should receive <a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/145557" rel="nofollow"> the same pay for not working as you do for working</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301693</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How is that to be applied when matters of pay between employees in the private sector are closely guarded.&lt;/i&gt;

Employees are perfectly capable of telling each other what they make.

They are also more than able to answer back, "None of your damn business".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How is that to be applied when matters of pay between employees in the private sector are closely guarded.</i></p>
<p>Employees are perfectly capable of telling each other what they make.</p>
<p>They are also more than able to answer back, &#8220;None of your damn business&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301616</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a registered Independent. So, I don't have to take ownership of any behavior or values but my own. I also believe in the free market, and don't think it ought to be the government's business what companies pay their employees, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a registered Independent. So, I don&#8217;t have to take ownership of any behavior or values but my own. I also believe in the free market, and don&#8217;t think it ought to be the government&#8217;s business what companies pay their employees, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301613</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Independent, I don't have to "take ownership" of anything but my own behavior and values. As an economic libertarian, I don't think it should be the government's business what companies pay their employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Independent, I don&#8217;t have to &#8220;take ownership&#8221; of anything but my own behavior and values. As an economic libertarian, I don&#8217;t think it should be the government&#8217;s business what companies pay their employees.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15.  The statute of limitations?  I believe the dissent made a good point.  How is that to be applied when matters of pay between employees in the private sector are closely guarded.  Are you completely un-appalled that Goodyear did, in fact, pay Ms. Ledbetter considerably less than male counterparts?

16. So, like, how do you handle party members like Michael Dobson or Phyllis Schafly?  And when was it that Bob Jones University decided to allow interracial dating?

We can do this all day, or we can play a mature game of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours."  

Take ownership of both the good and bad in your party, and I'll be more than happy to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15.  The statute of limitations?  I believe the dissent made a good point.  How is that to be applied when matters of pay between employees in the private sector are closely guarded.  Are you completely un-appalled that Goodyear did, in fact, pay Ms. Ledbetter considerably less than male counterparts?</p>
<p>16. So, like, how do you handle party members like Michael Dobson or Phyllis Schafly?  And when was it that Bob Jones University decided to allow interracial dating?</p>
<p>We can do this all day, or we can play a mature game of &#8220;I&#8217;ll show you mine if you show me yours.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Take ownership of both the good and bad in your party, and I&#8217;ll be more than happy to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301604</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is he seriously asking for examples of how the party of the Klan are hate filled bigots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is he seriously asking for examples of how the party of the Klan are hate filled bigots?</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/08/31/why-the-gop-should-avoid-gay-issues-in-st-paul/#comment-301603</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ledbetter v. Goodyear? The plaintiff wanted to sue after the stature of limitations had run out. Don't you believe in the rule of law? 

Scaling back the convention? That's a simple matter of respect and good taste. If they went ahead as planned, you'd be slamming them for having party while lives were in danger. Setting up no-win scenarios is not exactly fair, is it? 

So, apparently, following the law and showing respect for disaster victims is now considered hateful and bigoted. That's how twisted the left in this country is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ledbetter v. Goodyear? The plaintiff wanted to sue after the stature of limitations had run out. Don&#8217;t you believe in the rule of law? </p>
<p>Scaling back the convention? That&#8217;s a simple matter of respect and good taste. If they went ahead as planned, you&#8217;d be slamming them for having party while lives were in danger. Setting up no-win scenarios is not exactly fair, is it? </p>
<p>So, apparently, following the law and showing respect for disaster victims is now considered hateful and bigoted. That&#8217;s how twisted the left in this country is.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps more even-handed examples such as the current initiative in Arkansas, the Ledbetter v. Goodyear case, using the circumstances of Gustav to scale back the convention in an effort to win, win, win?

Those aren't the most loving things, and neither side should win at just any cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps more even-handed examples such as the current initiative in Arkansas, the Ledbetter v. Goodyear case, using the circumstances of Gustav to scale back the convention in an effort to win, win, win?</p>
<p>Those aren&#8217;t the most loving things, and neither side should win at just any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it gets better, Leah; Obama supporter and endorser Sean "Diddy" Combs is whining about the fact that gas prices are keeping him from &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/01/people.sean.combs.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;taking his private jet&lt;/a&gt;. Who wants to bet how fast the Al Gore and Boxer WON'T jump on that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it gets better, Leah; Obama supporter and endorser Sean &#8220;Diddy&#8221; Combs is whining about the fact that gas prices are keeping him from <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/01/people.sean.combs.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">taking his private jet</a>. Who wants to bet how fast the Al Gore and Boxer WON&#8217;T jump on that one?</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something just occurred to me in this whole baby story. The Palins knew the baby had down syndrome and decided to continue with the pregnancy.

Had a 16 year old been pregnant, no one would have even done the test! There are risks involved in such tests, so you don't do one unless you feel it's necessary - as in age of the mother.

But why am I even going there - the left is so unhinged it is mindboggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something just occurred to me in this whole baby story. The Palins knew the baby had down syndrome and decided to continue with the pregnancy.</p>
<p>Had a 16 year old been pregnant, no one would have even done the test! There are risks involved in such tests, so you don&#8217;t do one unless you feel it&#8217;s necessary - as in age of the mother.</p>
<p>But why am I even going there - the left is so unhinged it is mindboggling.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Examples of hatred and bigotry on the left? In the past 48 hours, we've had the former chairman of the DNC giggling about the prospect of a killer hurricane because the death and destruction might help his party's prospects in November. We've also had the community-based reality coming up with insane conspiracy theories to promote the idea that Sarah Palin's son Trig is actually her daughter's child. Several on the left, including one left-wing poster here, have also assailed Palin for bringing a Down's Syndrome baby into the world. 

How much hatred and bigotry do you need?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Examples of hatred and bigotry on the left? In the past 48 hours, we&#8217;ve had the former chairman of the DNC giggling about the prospect of a killer hurricane because the death and destruction might help his party&#8217;s prospects in November. We&#8217;ve also had the community-based reality coming up with insane conspiracy theories to promote the idea that Sarah Palin&#8217;s son Trig is actually her daughter&#8217;s child. Several on the left, including one left-wing poster here, have also assailed Palin for bringing a Down&#8217;s Syndrome baby into the world. </p>
<p>How much hatred and bigotry do you need?</p>
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