What I find most amusing about following the story of the pregnancy of Bristol Palin, daughter of presumptive Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin is how so many on the left use this to call the Alaska Governor’s fitness for office. Â
At the same time, one of the nation’s leading social conservatives, James Dobson has shown considerably understanding for the family’s situation, saying all this situation really means “is that she and her family are human.” Â I wish he could show similar understanding for gay people.
He’s not the only evangelical leader to release such sympathetic statements.
What this controversy does is generate more interest in Palin’s speech Wednesday night, all but ensuring a larger audience. Â If she does as good of a job then as she did last Friday, she should succeed in overcoming the doubts about her ability to lead, helping this novice on the national stage earn the admiration and affection of the American people.
This all could redound to the GOP ticket’s benefit. Note I said, “could.”
NOTE–Bumped this post.
UPDATE: In a most excellent essay, “Sarah Palin: A Bold Choice or a desperate one?,” on the benefits — and possible downsides of the Palin pick, Powerline‘s John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson offer, “The question is in part one of perception, and it is too early to know how most voters will view the implications of Palin’s place on the ticket.” Read the whole thing!
UP-UPDATE: Â As to the power of speeches to improve a candidate’s image, recall the Checkers Speech.
UP-UP-UPDATE: Ann Althouse agreed with me that the audience for Palin’s speech will be huge: “Much depends on her speech tonight, and I tend to think it will wow the viewers.” Hope she’s right.
As someone once said, it’s too bad the father of Bristol Palin’s baby isn’t John Edwards. Then, the media wouldn’t care.
Clearly, Palin has to be good – or she is just another Dan Quayle. But that’s basic. It would be true regardless of the sexism and viciousness of the Left’s current smear campaign on her. If she is good, then McCain did the right thing and the Left’s arguments collapse. We shall see. And if I were I betting man, in advance of the event I’d bet she will be good.
Sigh. Just to keep the truth firmly in front of you. No one on the left is saying Bristol’s pregnany is relevant to Palin’s fitness for office. Troopergate, AIP, the debt in Wasilla, the firing of Wasilla staff for insufficient loyalty, running Ted Stevens PAC (ROTFL), and being for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it: THOSE might, shall we say, dent the GOP case for her candidacy. But since the GOP is desperately trying to pretend those things don’t exist, we’ll won’t hear a lot of rebuttal for them.
V the K, you are so right on!
I imagine that picking SP probably brings James Dobson and his supporters solidly behind the McCain/Palin ticket, which is a good thing, since such supporters will be critical to a McCain victory. I think there’s a lot to admire with Jim Dobson, but I am always disappointed that he focuses so much attention on the homosexuality issue. Hopefully with the Palin selection and the situation with her daughter, Jim Dobson will focus his attention on the sanctity of life (an issue on which he, SP, and I agree) and be distracted from harping on about his views on homosexuality.
I see torrentprime got his talking points fax from MoveOn this morning. See, that’s our disadvantage. We actually have to think up things to say on our own.
Right V, because we never read/heard/saw a thing about John Edwards, except every 3 minutes every where we turned.
Sexism and viciousness? Give it a break ILC, what we are seeing is not even .00000001 % of the scumbag tactics that the right pulls every single election.
The reaction of Dobson simply highlights the extreme hypocrisy of the “pro-family” crowd. If it had been the daughter of a Dem candidate, they would be screeching about lose morals, the degradation of family values and on and on and on and on. But because it happened to one of their stormtrooper’s kids it’s “human”.
Disgusting, and y’all just lap it up.
Its clear she was not vetted…
I would not be suprised if tonight, she drops out, citing “a poisioning atmosphere.”
What a joke!
Our Sarah Barracuda is going to hit another one out of the park.
I predict another glowing critique from Ms. Paglia.
And I predict more vicious (and irrelevant) smears from our pals on the left.
And, GPW, if you do have a chance to speak to Governor Palin, give her a big MWAH! from me. 🙂
Untrue, TP. Lots of people are saying, or implying, precisely that. That Palin is a bad mother, she should be home with the kids, blah blah blah. Andrew Sullivan is among those who has been promoting that kind of sexism.
Are all basically nothing. Little, if any, “there” there. Just leftist sexism – Trying to attack the chick as a person, rather than argue with her ideas / policies.
Dave, as usual, you’re living in a complete fantasy world.
Now, what I came to say. Agree with him or disagree, Spengler is interesting as always:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html
His basic idea: McCain has reinforced his “maverick” brand… while Obama, by picking Biden, has destroyed his own “change” brand. So, Guess Who wins the election? 🙂 But that’s an oversimplification. Spengler says many more interesting things, read it all.
Here’s a brief record / analysis of Andrew Sullivan pushing the sexist notion that Palin is a bad mother:
http://patterico.com/2008/08/30/andrew-sullivans-sexist-attacks-on-sarah-palin/
Andrew lacks the courage to do it in his own name, of course.
(and, it’s a few days old – there are probably more recent variations from Andi)
Here’s a brief record of Sally Quinn pushing the notion that if Palin gets the VP job, she will inevitably have to be a bad mother. (Note: Patterico’s title is a bit misleading, or NOT my exact point here.)
http://patterico.com/2008/09/01/sally-quinn-palin-got-the-job-because-shes-a-woman/
Would Quinn push that concept, if Palin were a man? Somehow I doubt it. And note how it operates (although Quinn does not come out and say this) to make Palin a bad mother *right now*. I mean, what kind of good mother seeks a job where, if she got it, she would then have to be a bad mother?
Ugh, I hate the way leftists always throw out the most vicious smears imaginable, and then coyly deny that they’re attacking anyone.
Here is a brief record of Andrew Sullivan’s role in pushing the smear that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy with Trig to cover for her daughter:
http://patterico.com/2008/09/01/sarah-palins-daughter-bristol-is-five-months-pregnant-andrew-sullivan-still-wants-proof-sarah-palins-four-month-old-child-isnt-hers/
Notice that Queen Andi continued to push the smear, after it came out that Palin’s daughter is currently five months pregnant (and Palin gave birth to Trig less than five months ago).
TP, Dave, and
gillieIan: This is you guys. This is YOUR vicious, sexist pro-Obama campaign. Or if it isn’t, then denounce it now.And Dave is full of crap. The New York Times has 3 front page stories in one day on Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, but has not done a single story on John Edwards’ mistress and love child. I guess cheating on your cancer stricken wife is no big deal in the Democrat party.
The spamfilter just got me – Briefly, let’s also remember Andi’s role in pushing Trig Trutherism.
As for “Troopergate”, perhaps torrentprime should tell us if he would fire a state public safety commissioner who refused to fire a state trooper that a) drove drunk, b) made death threats against his father-in-law and c) tasered his stepson.
AIP? Sheesh, Barack Obama hangs around with and supports Weather Underground terrorists who have actually blown up buildings and killed people, and you’re worried about the Alaska Independence Party?
Oh, and the same Democrat Party leftists running smears about how Palin is a bad mother because she is running for office with young children couldn’t stop yanking themselves over the same last year.
I think we’ve discovered the secret here; Dave and torrentprime both “support women” — as long as they remain docile slaves and servants to the male Democrat Party.
Governor Palin is very much a modern day female Ronald Reagan. I am more energized by Governor Palin then I am even by John McCain…she reinforces McCain’s reformer street creds and she is a tough but common sense Executive. I believe the linked article from the two attorneys says it perfectly.
Give ’em Hell Sarah and Go Johnny Go!!!
The effort by the drive by media and the hatefilled left wing attackers is working to energize even more, our substantial base. Their mean and hateful attacks have caused me to order 10 McCain lawn signs, I am encouraging right thinking Americans to also place SAVE SARAH or SAVE BRISTOL signs on their front lawns. I am doubling my check to the RNC. This demonizing of a proud independent American family is horrific. We can’t let this happen. Mobilize people. Let’s go. You ask what we can do? We are only individual conservatives, working day to day. Well pony up people. Send a small check, suppport the Palin family. Argue for what’s right. Put a sign in your window or yard.
DON’T SMEAR SARAH
SAVE BRISTOL
SAVE SARAH
Does anyone else remember Chelseapimpgate? Earlier this year, a correspondent (NBC?) was fired for *noting correctly and accurately* (if a bit too floridly) that the Clinton campaign was literally sending Chelsea out on dates with prospective superdelegates. More double standards?
Oh, and now the Obama campaign and its puppets are screaming that Palin is a Nazi sympathizer and Jew-hater.
And, to absolutely no one’s surprise, Obama’s campaign and his surrogates are running around Alaska desperately looking for dirt — including offering up to $5,000 for damaging information about Sarah and Todd Palin.
NDT, it’s easy to understand why the Democrat would rally around a thug state trooper. Democrat thugs had a reporter in Denver beaten down and arrested for filming a bunch of fatcats coming out of a meeting with Nancy Pelosi. Their thugs in St. Paul are terrorizing cub scouts, dropping bags of cement onto buses from overpasses, and splashing bleach into the eyes of elderly convention delegates. The wife of their nominee gave a speech at their convention that echoed the teachings of Saul Alinsky, who advocated violence as the engine of social change.
They’re a pack of thugs. Of course they’ll stick together.
#22 – Well, at least they’ve gone back to admitting that Buchanan (whom many lefties have started to like, lately) is an ugly Nazi sympathizer.
In a way, I love it. The more they attack Palin, the worse they make themselves look, and the more people wake up. I think it was Ann Althouse who cautioned Palin’s attackers recently by saying, look, “this is all going down in the annals of feminism”.
Instapundit rounds up some good stuff:
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/023761.php
He quotes A.C. Kleinheider:
He quotes Michael Silence asking:
Good point: Don’t ‘families come in all shapes and sizes”? Aren’t we supposed to be generously and lovingly “inclusive of all families”? So what’s with all the smears on the Palins and invasions of their privacy?
I was significantly outraged by the filth coming from the libtards online and now in the media, that I did something I swore I wouldn’t do when McCain was being obtuse on illegal immigration: I sent in a donation. I encourage everyone to do likewise at JohnMcCain.com. Democrat politicians claim to abhor these kinds tactics, but when they need the dirty work done they look the other way while the nutroots engage in this filth. It’s a tidy lil arrangement and this is another reason why I believe McCain MUST win in November. These people are without honor and given their batshit craziness, it would be a serious mistake to give them power. Yes, Obama came out and distanced himself from this to his credit but these are the kinds of people he surrounds himself with. Remember Obama appearing at The Daily Kos convention last year? It’s not just Wright, Ayers & Rezko now which calls Obama’s judgement into question, it’s his association with nutjobs like the Kossacks. Even The Huffington Post notes the hypocrisy of the Kossacks on this.
I highly recommend visiting Protein Wisdom for more on much of these lies being spread about Palin by the Left, see also Reclusive Leftist’s take on these scurrilous claims. Red State does a good job comparing the experience of both Palin and Obama, sentiment echoed by the liberal Reclusive Leftist. The Obama Campaign and these nutroots are ignoring the advice of another liberal blogger, Talk Left in that focusing on Palin’s experience only hurts Obama more and exposes the hypocrisy of the media. Flopping Aces has a superb round-up on the so-called “Troopergate” story. Finally, LGF responds to the charge that Palin wants creationism taught in schools.
I’d also like to point out these three amusing responses comparing the exeriences of Palin & Obama:
Isn’t it amusing how the “tolerant” liberals are the ones flinging the hate against Bristol Palin, and the so-called “intolerant” religious people and conservatives are the ones offering support and encouragement?
That’s because we’re sane, rational, and compassionate NDT. Without those qualities, we’d be no different than the left.
Hey guys: thanks for not responding to anything about Palin’s debt record in Wasilla, her connections to Stevens’ PAC, her record on the Bridge to nowhere, or her connections to a separatist groupL oh wait, that’s right: ND30 said it doesn’t matter, because Obama’s black preacher was mad about how America treated black people, which is way worse than wanting to leave the country.
Maybe some of you will post another line about how Palin held off the Red or Canuck threat in the last 18 months and thus is fit for the presidency. Keep it up, please: this blog is becoming funnier then FreeRepublic. 🙂
Let’s see, in order: Wasilla’s debt was to fund infrastructure improvements, just like Obama insists we need; her connections to Stevens’s PAC seem to have rather atrophied given her attacks on him; the Bridge to Nowhere, both Obama and Biden voted for, while Palin ultimately ended up cancelling it; and her connections to a separatist group ended well over a decade ago.
Meanwhile, torrentprime, you lied about the left not questioning Palin’s fitness due to her family, and you lied about “Troopergate”. But you didn’t respond to the facts on either of those; instead, you just desperately spun and tried to pick up another smear.
It should surprise no one that yours is the party of the people who are throwing sandbags off overpasses to kill people, terrorizing busloads of Cub Scouts, and spraying bleach in the face of elderly delegates. You and your fellow Obama supporters are truly bent on demonstrating that there is nothing you won’t do to get into power.
torrent, we know how the left is smearing her. But you guys have no credibility left after the “it’s not her baby” thing, and all the other dirt you’ve tried to malign her with. And I don’t think any of us give a damn what your talking points are. We’re going to look at her for ourselves and form our own opinions. So, maybe you should take your smears elsewhere and stop wasting our time.
And torrentprime, why haven’t you said anything about Obama’s purchase of his house at a discounted price from a campaign contributor who turned off the heat in the houses of poor people during a Chicago winter, or the massive earmark Obama gave the University of Chicago hospitals after they nearly tripled his wife’s salary, or his hanging out with and association with radical terrorists who wanted to stage a revolution and who actually bombed and killed people in an attempt to do it, or his association with Joe Biden’s son and his lobbying firm?
Because all you’re doing is trying to smear Palin. You have no problem with any of the things you’re accusing her of doing; you’re merely trying to tear her down to the sewer-dwelling level of Obama. This is not unusual; if you look at the record, Obama has never actually WON a campaign on the issues, but has engaged in smears and tactics to get opponents disqualified instead. You are nothing more than his latest cats-paw.
What’s depressing about this is that Bristol is doing the moral thing. She’s having her baby and marrying the father. Yet, people seem to think we’re supposed to be upset about this because . . . ?
As for “If the Dems” etc., that’s nonsense. If Obama’s daughter were in the same position, we’d react the same way, and you might even see some voters switch, depending on how Obama supported her. However, given that Obama feels that children should be left to die after birth, and that he has called children a punishment, if this did happen, he would be far more likely to bundle his daughter into the SUV and take her to murder her baby.
That would be a serious problem — and an entirely different situation.
All the Palin smears, and not just about Bristol, are doing nothing but driving more voters to McCain. Keep it up, kiddies. We appreciate it.
The known facts about Obama are still worse than the ugly rumors about Palin.
All but the last are legit questions to pose to Palin and elicit her response – without the BS the libtards have engaged in on her family. The last one you mention though was responded to earlier today and Palin has been a registered Repulican since 1982.
Show me NDLabarbera, where I said I was against Palin. The issue is the blatant hypocrisy of the “support” coming from the sado-christian right for her daughter. If they had EVER showed the same compassion towards the other unwed teenagers in this country I would accept what they say now. But the FACT is that they have done everything to portray sexually active teenagers as immoral and make the false claims that “liberals” are at fault and even encourage such behavior. Their response to teen pregnancy is to advocate the child being put up for adoption. The Spears brat gets pregnant and it’s horrendous, Bristol gets pregnant and she deserves support and the family gets praised for their response to it. ALL pregnant unwed mothers should get support NOT condemnation, but the religious right, which Palin is a part of, is selective and will only support their own. And you NDT continue to believe that you have a clue about my thoughts. Get therapy.
ILC, deny the scumbag tactics of the right all you want they have been exposed for all who can take their heads out of their asses to see. Those of you who continue to support your enemy are blind by choice. Sad for you.
The insane things being said by SOME on the left are disgusting, and should never have been voiced without real evidence. But the continuous whine from you folks about it is really quite pitiful considering that those you worship make careers out of tearing down liberals and spreading repulsive lies. It’s right for them but wrong for the left. More sick hypocrisy.
Why not spend some time on what’s good about your candidates, which is what you keep asking for from the liberals who post on here, instead of the never ending vomit that you call thoughtful and intelligent.
In fairness, it should be noted that Barack Obama has told his staff that anyone who discusses members of Palin’s family will be fired.
Commenters’ attention is called to an article in today’s New York Times that raises questions about the vetting of Governor Pailin.
More NDLabarbera lies, ILC denial and V the K worship of the right based on total bullshit.
Rightwingprof – very naive, your “moral pro-family” criminals have spent years attacking unwed mothers, questioning their morality and advocating taking the babies away. Grow up and look at reality.
So, Dave, is this the latest in your long string of assertions about what the conservative right does that you have absolutely no citations or proof to back up?
Ace sums it up pretty well.
That’s pretty much how I see it. McCain may win or lose, but I like Palin because she stands for the right things.
Commenters’ attention is called to an article in today’s New York Times that raises questions about the vetting of Governor Pailin.
Which, as I pointed out on my own blog, consists of the New York Times arguing that Palin was badly vetted because the McCain campaign didn’t call, for one, the chair of the Alaska Republican Party — without saying anything about the fact that said chair was forced to pay $12,000 in fines for ethics violations after Palin blew the whistle on him.
In other words, the NYT is blasting the McCain campaign for not calling people who hate Palin to vet her for a VP nomination. Brilliant.
Commenters’ attention is called to an article in today’s New York Times that raises questions about the vetting of Governor Pailin.
Which, as I pointed out on my own blog, consists of the New York Times arguing that Palin was badly vetted because the McCain campaign didn’t call, for one, the chair of the Alaska Republican Party without saying anything about the fact that said chair was forced to pay $12,000 in fines for ethics violations after Palin blew the whistle on him.
Oh, I don’t think so, Dave; you see, we’ve all provided links that demonstrate quite convincingly that Palin isn’t nearly the witch you make her out to be.
You haven’t,. Why is that? Is it because you’re too embarrassed to post the talking points from the Obama campaign and prove that your Obamamessiah, despite his public vow to not attack Palin’s family, is doing just that?
Oh, and the latest liberal threat: Elect Obama, or it’ll cause a race war.
Blackmailing people with threats of violence. Just another day in the Obamamessiah’s land of “hope and change”. Typical of Democrat Party mentality, and totally indicative of Democrat Party desperation, just like their attacks on buses carrying delegates and their chemical attacks on elderly delegates.
I love Dave’s “I put a spell on you!!!1!” approach to, um, argumentation.
OK, Jack Allen, but… wouldn’t any serious candidate say that?
Look, I agree Obama probably has nothing to do with all these dirty smear efforts (Trig Trutherism, etc.) I doubt he orders them. And yet somehow, they always turn up. In his favor, in every campaign of his (short) career. I blame one or more of the following:
– David Axelrod
– Chicago machine politics
– The proven irrational & nasty tendencies of his supporters such as Andrew Sullivan, the Kos Kidz, etc.
Sara Palin was with a group that wanted to secede from the union
Sara Palin endorsed an “Anti-Israel” candidate and worked to elect him.
Sara Palin supported the bridge to nowhere, then went in front of America and lied about how she tried to kill it.
Sara Palin abused her power, than repeatedly lied about until she got caught.
Sara Palin supported abstinence only programs only to have her unmarried teenage daughter become prego.
Think about that. If that were a Dem, what would your HONEST reaction be?
Can any of you be honest?
#45 – Please provide evidence to support these theories. I’ll lay odds that the only “sources” you will find are left-wing loon sites.
Try again.
Regards,
Peter H.
The truthfulness of gillie’s statements is demonstrated nicely by the fact that he can’t even spell “Sarah” correctly.
No one ever said Sarah Palin was a flawless candidate. I don’t think there is such a thing. And, furthermore, the other side will always try to magnify the slightest flaws. But she’s right on the issues, and she seems to be a stand-up dame. That’s good enough for me. (Though I’m still not voting for McCain).
And even the worst rumors the left is trying to smear Palin with aren’t as bad as the known facts about Barack Obama.
Patty B talking about Sarah Palin working to get him elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9rZkJfKoEU
Alaska Independence Party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
Her lying about the bridge to nowhere:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901
Lying about trooper gate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA
Support of abstinence only:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122033165904489925.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
And ndt, you are right, it IS sarah, sorry about that.
Now how would YOU react if she were a Dem?
Can you be honest?
Let’s see….Alaskan Independence Party.
Sarah Palin and Pat Buchanan.
And the last one shows that gillie is nothing more than an Obama plant, because that is the meme — which has already been proven to be a complete lie — that the Obama campaign and its spokespersons are pushing.
Ian, I tried your WSJ link – It doesn’t work.
Your youtube reference on troopergate is an outdated, incomplete (one-sided) report supllied by TalkingPointsMemo.com. Not that it will affect your zeal to crush Palin in the slightest, but here is a more recent and thorough reference for you:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/29/palins-troopergate-beating-msm-distortions-to-the-truth/
Actually, TP, the “Red threat” just got the DNC nomination.
I can. You’re a dick and a liar. Can you be honest?
Satisfied?
NDT
Huh?
Your first link to Ace of Spades links another blog that a McCain spokesman. Not quite first hand and does not address the fact that I showed you VIDEO of her addressing those treasonous AIPers
Second link’s about pattie b main sources are Palin’s and her sstaff.
Your third link is more of the same.
Her words are not convincing since she is already a proven liar.
ILC – its a news report before any of this VP stuff happened. It shows she lied. Plain and simple. (not ian, but thanks though)
TGC – Maybe, but your VP gal is the biggest liar of the bunch! But atleast you tried! Points to you!
So, can you give me an honest answer yet?
Or do you need to try and squirm more?
ILoveCapitalism, #45 — In this case, remember that Obama was born to a teenage mother under similar circumstances.
Ah yes. The lady whose mother raised Obama, yet was thrown under the bus by Obama in his ‘race’ speech last March.
I mean – if he does it to his own family, then why not do it to the Palins? But again, I really don’t think he orders it to be done on the Palins. I just think he issues nice-sounding pro forma denouncements, which his staff then ignore.
(sorry, ‘denunciations’)
Agreed, ILC. The question is whether or not Obama is an outright lying hypocrite, or if he’s just the best example of the intellectual retardation that lifelong affirmative action produces.
I wonder if it could be both.
Ian, hmm, you say that like it’s a bad thing.
Gosh, I must have missed it when gil, torrent, Jack, and Barack denounced the leadership of their party for laughing and giggling over the possibility that Hurricane Gustav would kill hundreds of people (and thereby improve their electoral prospects).
Hey Conservatives, how you like the CHANGE candidate? How do you like the post partianship? It was all a fraud. FAUX BOMA. McCain has 94% of Republicans, let’s give him 101% (like the Dems do hehe).
Nice debunking work, guys! I knew gillie was a useful idiot for the left.
Isn’t it interesting that libtards are always looking to find “hypocrisy” among conservatives, and they think that when something pops up (like Bristol Palin’s blessed event), that somehow all of conservatism is also tainted.
To explain the obvious to the libtards, here goes – we do have standards, we have values and we are human beings who violate them. We are not perfect, and we know it.
That’s why libtards are so out of whack. They think perfection in either a country or an individual is possible, provided they’re the ones in the driver’s seat. And they think we’re sitting here all judgmental when someone messes up – whether it’s John Edwards, Bill Clinton or even The SnObama.
I will be the first to confess that I’m judgmental when people make bad decisions that are destructive to the things that I hold dear. That’s why I jump all over posters who knowingly spew the lies they picked up from DailyKaka or DemonicUnderwear.
All I can say to the lower-case-libtards is that the desire that you have to find out some way that we can be shown as hypocrites and say that this disqualifies Sarah Palin, is just a waste of everybody’s time – and it also demonstrates to us just exactly what type of person you are.
Old Asian proverb: never complain about your neighbor’s front yard when your own is unclean.
Regards,
Peter H.
Dadgummit, another casualty of the spam filter.
Bruce/Dan – atencion por favor.
Regards,
Peter H.
ILC & NDT – just wondering, since Obama’s mother was also an unwed teenage mother, doesn’t that in a way make him a wee bit hypocritical in rushing to judge Sarah Palin?
Also, note that The Snob called the scenario of one of his daughters getting pregnant as a “mistake.” Yet Sarah’s statement called Bristol’s pregnancy a “blessing.”
Does that mean that Michelle Obama made 2 mistakes?
Go figure.
Regards,
Peter H.
Peter, Obama isn’t rushing to judge Palin on her daughter’s pregnancy, imply she’s a bad mother, etc. As Jack fairly points out. Only his supporters and proxies are doing it.
Obama’s line toward Palin consists of deriding her as inexperienced and, in the process, ignoring her gubernatorial experience. He’ll talk about her mayoral experience and you’d never know that she was Governor of anything, or that her Governor experiences totally outclasses his pathetic Senate experience.
As far as the AIP / Alaskan Independence Party smear, that TP and I-a-n both tried, these are the facts:
– Palin is a lifelong registered Republican. This is documented from Alaska voter registration records.
– Palin’s husband is a partly a native, racial minority – one of the Eskimo branches – and belonged to the AIP during the time when it was more mainstream, or focused on getting the federal government off Alaskans’ backs.
– If Obama married a part-Hawaiian who had been involved with a Hawaiian nativist party a few years, no one would care. Again this goes to double standards.
Jake Tapper debunks the AIP smear here:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-alaska-divi.html
Documentation proving Palin’s lifelong Republican registration is here:
http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2008-09/palin-voting.pdf
Hey braindead NDLabarbera, liar of the century. When did I ever say Palin is a witch? She’s a typical of those who try to put a pretty face on the right wing venom but other than that I think McCain made a good move to choose her. My issue has and always will be that the right is sooooo supportive of her daughter while they shit on all the rest of the unwed pregnant teens. Quit the lies little boy.
And yet, Dave still has no sources or facts to back up his smears … as usual.
My issue has and always will be that the right is sooooo supportive of her daughter while they shit on all the rest of the unwed pregnant teens.
That would be because her daughter admits it was a bad decision, is carrying the baby to term, and is marrying the father.
Quite different than the liberal teens who have promiscuous sex and just abort the consequences — over and over and over again.
And the issue here is that gay Democrats say it’s perfectly acceptable to attack families. Since Obama endorses and supports Barney Frank as well, we now have the Obama campaign endorsing and supporting attacking candidates’ families.
Dave unburdened himself thusly: Rightwingprof – very naive, your “moral pro-family†criminals have spent years attacking unwed mothers, questioning their morality and advocating taking the babies away. Grow up and look at reality.
The reason that conservatives “attack” unwed motherHOOD is because it’s bad for society, bad for the mothers, and bad for kids.
In far too many cases, the unwed mother and her kids become wards of the state and the kids, for the most part, do not do well (see numerous studies). The welfare state relieves the “fathers” of any responsibility whatsoever. That’s what I have a problem with.
IMHO, Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy is unfortunate as most people would agree. The difference here is that the baby’s father and the mother’s family are stepping up to the plate to make sure the baby is welcomed into a family – doing the best they can.
Watching the loons on the left decompensate over this tells me that McCain made a brilliant choice. On purpose or by accident, I don’t know.
Dave: Rightwingprof – very naive, your “moral pro-family†criminals have spent years attacking unwed mothers, questioning their morality and advocating taking the babies away. Grow up and look at reality.
The reason that conservatives “attack” unwed motherHOOD is because it’s bad for society, bad for the mothers, and bad for kids.
In far too many cases, the unwed mother and her kids become wards of the state and the kids, for the most part, do not do well (see numerous studies). The welfare state relieves the “fathers” of any responsibility whatsoever. That’s what I have a problem with.
IMHO, Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy is unfortunate as most people would agree. The difference here is that the baby’s father and the mother’s family are stepping up to the plate to make sure the baby is welcomed into a family – accepting the responsibility and doing the best they can.
Watching the loons on the left decompensate over this tells me that McCain made a brilliant choice. On purpose or by accident, I don’t know.
Someone needs an Evangelical Right-Winger (ERW) decoder ring. Here it is. (Note: I’m not one… yet I get out enough that even I would know this.)
1) They like kids.
2) They don’t like abortions.
3) They like marriages.
4) They don’t like premarital sex, true, but that is an AFTERTHOUGHT to (1), (2) and (3).
Bristol Palin is having a kid, not having an abortion, and getting married. That’s 3 out of 4. And it’s the most important 3 out of 4… making the 4th forgivable. Not hypocrisy… you just have to TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW the people you are blathering about.
Now Obama has said, “If my girl makes a mistake, I don’t want her punished with a child”… or, presumably, a husband. In other words, he’d take her for an abortion. Such a girl would be 0-for-4, on the ERW scale.
#76 – But remember, ILC, abortion for The Snob is “above his pay grade.”
Regards,
Peter H.
Bristol Palin is having a kid, not having an abortion, and getting married. That’s 3 out of 4. And it’s the most important 3 out of 4… making the 4th forgivable.
ILC, I just hope for Bristol’s case that she isn’t marrying the father of her child simply because he is the father of her child (or for any other reason than what marriage is supposed to be about). Because, if that was the case, that would be a big mistake as well.
Pat: lets hope they’re not Muslims then.
I wish there were a fresh Palin thread to put this in, but… This pretty much demolishes Troopergate:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM103_ethics2222.html
Here’s the Cliff Notes.
1) Palin didn’t do anything wrong.
2) If you want to weasel it and say she “may have given the improper appearance or hint of having done something wrong”, you can kindly go f*ck yourself. Wooten was a danger to the entire public (not just the Palins), and police authorities were NOT effectively addressing the problem.
It is so funny how Republicans argue and claim that Obama has no experience and he will not be able to run our country and how Sarah Palin has more experience than him. How can I trust a person to take care of me, my family, and my country when she was not able to take care of her own daughter and teach her that “babies” might come if you have unprotected sex. The hypocrisy of her style and character is that she affirms that she is a very conservative woman with a very strict matter of moral values. I truly believe that the double standards that according to Republicans the media is using in order to put trash on Palin is not different from the double standards her morals and concepts of motherhood and abstinence present. It is funny, while our country’s economy gets worst everyday, many families loose their homes, people are getting fired and lose their jobs we still have to think if we want 4 more years of the same policies, same attitude and the worst case scenario more conflicts among other nations. As McCain proclaims, we have to be in the offensive and attack. Well, that’s what we need more war and more blood of our soldiers. That should be our way I guess. Vote Republican and we know what to expect: same economy, same housing crisis, more wars, and more problems.