Oh, but “fire doesn’t melt steel”. And Bushco BushitlerCheney BushalliCheneyBurton blah blah blah blather blilligorp…So, America must never fight anyone in today’s world and if we do it’s always, inherently our fault, not theirs. (/sarc)
I was in NYC when in happened. I ran outside to see Tower 1 on fire and the fireball that burst out of Tower 2. I lost several loved ones on that day. My neighborhood in Brooklyn was really hit hard with casualties. I was part of the salvage crew for two weeks at Ground Zero. Yet after 7 years, even I must confess that I was beginning to grow somewhat numb to 9-11. It something that I coped with, remembered and moved on.
Then something interesting happened this morning on my way to go surfing. My local talk radio station rebroadcast their original news soundbyte from when they were reporting what happened at the WTC. It was aired as a tribute during the moment of the anniversary of the first explosion (just before 9:00 AM EST). Replaying that event opened a floodgate of emotions that I thought I moved on from. I didn’t. I had to pull over because I started crying. I have come to grips with the fact that I will never have closure from this heinous incident.
Here is a link to the Sept. 11 Memorial at the Pentagon. It looks very nice. Understated and bold at the same time. Too bad the nwe Towers are going to be such hideous looking building… if they ever get built.
Everyone should fight against the Memorial to the Terrorists they are going to build on the crash site of United 93.
They are going to construct a site-plan that is in the shape of a giant Crescent. If you look into the crescent perpendicular to the ends of the crescent, you are facing in the same exact direction (to Mecca) you would face if you were in a Mosque
Where the plane hit the ground is the same location of the Star in a the Crescent / Star
There is a tower called the tower of silence that when you upward in the hollow inside of it, the appearance of the tower at the roof looks like the crescent symbol you see above every mosque.
The tower throws a shadow on pecularily arranged trees that circle it. The shadow it throws functions in the exact same fashion as something called an Islamic Sun Dial.. that’s a sun dial that tells Muslims that it is the time of the day for their many daily prayers.
The 9/11 memorial outside the Pentagon is perfectly executed. That architects, loved ones, military staff, security personnel and private benefactors like the Rumsfelds could create such a moving, singularly focused and contemplative memorial is a testament to man’s soul. I hope ever GayPatriot reader can visit the memorial and pay tribute, honor the brave sacrafice of those memorialized and those still serving to bring justice for the 9/11 victims.
“We’ve finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don’t want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.â€
Since it’s Jihad Day, I like to urge that Everyone should fight against the Memorial to the Terrorists they are going to build on the crash site of United 93.
They are going to construct a site-plan that is in the shape of a giant Crescent. If you look into the crescent perpendicular to the ends of the crescent, you are facing in the same exact direction (to Mecca) you would face if you were in a Mosque
Where the plane hit the ground is the same location of the Star in the Crescent / Star flag
There is a tower called the tower of silence that when you upward in the hollow inside of it, the appearance of the tower at the roof looks like the crescent symbol you see above every mosque.
The tower throws a shadow on pecularily arranged trees that circle it. The shadow it throws functions in the exact same fashion as something called an Islamic Sun Dial.. that’s a sun dial that tells Muslims that it is the time of the day for their many daily prayers.
ThatGayConservativesays
I was working at Continental Airlines in reservations at the time. Talk about a cluster f*ck. We had no idea what was going on. The manager had taken the TV out of the break room because she didn’t want us spreading rumors. We heard things from others who came in later or what passengers on the phone told us.
My mom and I were on a special team that answers the calls for the 800 number given on the news when there’s a plane crash. We were on standby most of the day.
Davesays
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile attacks and useless chest beating on a day when we remember these events. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some on here are unable to but it’s very, very sad.
The Livewiresays
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile equovication and naive head turning on a day when we should remember these murders, and people who are still out there who want to kill us. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some on here are unable to, but it’s very, very sad.
ThatGayConservativesays
One would hope that liberals wouldn’t undermine their country when it comes to national security. One would hope that liberals would do everything they could to help instead of everything they could to hinder. One would hope that liberals wouldn’t politicize such a disaster and try to regain their absolute power. One would think the liberals would blame those responsiblie instead of their own country. One would think the liberals would be interested in going after those responsible for such an attack on our country treating it as an act of war rather than an act of vandalism.
One would be wrong.
SoCalRobertsays
I was driving near Chanute, Kansas that morning. I remember turning the radio on and listening to a report of a small plane hitting one of the Twin Towers. Interesting, I thought. And for some reason, I noticed the large number of “con trails” visible in the morning sky over SE Kansas.
After a little while, the news just got worse and worse. By the time I got to KC, I found people at the office glued, dumbstruck, to the TV.
Amazing how much so many of us forget who the enemy is and what we (used to) stand for.
Davesays
We haven’t forgotten. Some of us just don’t want the US to get just like the enemy which is what is openly advocated by many “conservatives”. If you let the animals turn you into an animal then the victory is theirs. The one thing I will say good about GW Bush is that he didn’t listen to the ignorance that was so predominate in the “nuke ’em” crowd and responded with a course of action that could have proven very effective. Had he stuck with it that is..
“One would hope that liberals wouldn’t politicize such a disaster”
No matter how much the liberals politicize 9/11 they will always be far behind the conservatives in doing so. It has been repulsive since 9/12/08 to watch the scumbag mentality that has used that day for their personal gain and that starts in the Presidents office.
Gene in Pennsylvaniasays
On this day I remember the families and friends of those that were lost. God Bless them, I pray for their healing. Those heroes who responded to the attack, not knowing fulling what they were dealing with, yet they plunged into the carnage to save people. That’s all they thought about, saving others. God Bless them and God bless the country that nurtured that kind of character.
Gene in Pennsylvaniasays
Dave tomorrow I’m going to quote for you the hatefilled attacks leveled upon the country and leaders just hours after the attacks. Liberals politicised 9/11 moments after. But not today, I’ll respect 9/11. Not today.
The_Livewiresays
Thank you Gene,
You have more restraint than I.
ThatGayConservativesays
Some of us just don’t want the US to get just like the enemy which is what is openly advocated by many “conservativesâ€.
You can back that up, right? “Some”? How about all of us? The fact of the matter is that sonofabitch liberals consider anything other than lubing up and biting on a pillow to be “just like the enemy”.
We don’t need a snivelling POS without any concept of morality making moral equivalency judgements. Damn you and your sonofabitch leaders who demand surrender and accuse our soldiers of terrorism, compare them to Nazis and vote to cut off their funding. Damn you and anybody else who thinks we’re even close to being anywhere near as bad as the animals who behead human beings. Damn you and anybody else who compares our soldiers to that sort of human debris. Damn you and anybody else who chose to spin the deaths of almost 3,000 people and lie through their teeth for political gain.
THAT my sniveling, quivering friend is what’s repulsive.
What “started in the president’s office” was the plain truth that YOU cannot be trusted with our national security. The liberals have proved it over and over and over. The amount of lying and voting to gut and undermine this country is beyond disgraceful. I think what’s worse than that is that the DNC is anything more than a punchline seven years on.’
I spit in your direction. Check that. I wouldn’t waste the spit.
SoCalRobertsays
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile attacks and useless chest beating on a day when we remember these events.
Sorry, Dave, but righteous anger is appropriate. It motivates us to resist and, if necessary, destroy. The alternative is acceptance and surrender.
If I can’t reason with a mortal enemy then I want him paralyzed with fear. And if he’s not afraid then I want his sympathizers to fear me enough to restrain him.
Seven years is a long time ago and I’ve calmed down (I no longer lust for the ICBM launch codes like I did on Sep 12, 2001). But I was thinking this morning of a picture from 9-11 that showed one lone man posed like he was waiting at a bus stop… except that he was upside-down and falling from one of the towers. That image is seared into my memory and it upsets me every time I think of it. And it makes me mad as hell.
ThatGayConservativesays
The attacks on our country is bad enough, SoCal. Then we have seven years of the liberals rubbing salt and lemon juice into the wounds and then people in our country want to vote for them.
Hell, Hamas wants to vote for them. Al-Qaeda frequently mirrors them in speech. That should speak volumes to the American people just who the liberals are if their actions don’t.
And then Dave comes on here with his high and mighty “better than you” attitude talking about how he’s repulsed? Screw him and the horse he rode in on.
jimmysays
Terror Porn!
Really, there’s no other way to commemorate this?
Vince Psays
Palin right on Bush Doctrine, ABC NEWS doesn’t even know what it means
Weekly Standard ^ | 9-12-08 | Richard Starr
What Exactly Is the ‘Bush Doctrine’? It’s being taken in some quarters as revelatory of inexperience that Sarah Palin sought clarification when ABC’s Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine. To review, here is the passage from the transcript.
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine? PALIN: In what respect, Charlie? GIBSON: The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be? PALIN: His world view. GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war. PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that’s the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better. GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?
Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption. Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning. Gibson himself in the past has defined the Bush Doctrine to mean “a promise that all terrorist organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated”–which is remarkably close to Palin’s own answer.
Consider what a diversity of views on the meaning of the Bush Doctrine can be found simply within the archives of ABC News itself:
September 20, 2001 PETER JENNINGS: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, ‘From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.’ Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We’ll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That’s pretty broad. Broader than you expected?
December 9, 2001 GEORGE WILL: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it’s part of the Bush doctrine.
December 11, 2001 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Two years ago, September 1999, Bush gave his first speech when he was running about terrorism. And his first–had the first explanation of the Bush doctrine, that if you harbor a terrorist, you’re going to be attacked. The Bush White House is putting this out, saying it shows that Bush was very prescient, but that was only one speech given in the campaign.
January 28, 2002 BOB WOODWARD: This is now the Bush Doctrine . . . , namely that if we’re attacked by terrorists, we will not just go after those terrorists but the countries or the people who harbor them.
January 29, 2002 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: It was striking and significant that the president really expanded the Bush doctrine. If a nation builds a weapon of mass destruction–Iraq, Iran or North Korea–we will reserve the right to take out those weapons even if we’re not attacked or even if there’s not a threat.
March 19, 2004 TERRY MORAN: That was the Bush doctrine we just heard. On this one-year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush offered a very broad justification of American leadership in the world under him since 9/11. Not just since one year in Iraq. For American voters as an argument that the country is safer, but more as you point out, for the world, which has been divided by his leadership, that Iraq is knit, in his mind, very firmly into that war on terrorism. One omission which I believe will be noted around the world, he made no mention of the role of multilateral institutions, the UN and others, in this fight against terrorism. In his mind, it’s clear it’s American leadership with others following along.
May 7, 2006 GEORGE WILL: Now the argument from the right is the CIA is a rogue agent because it has not subscribed to the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine being that American security depends on the spread of democracy and we know how to do that. The trouble is, Negroponte, who is considered by some of these conservatives the villain here and an enemy of the Bush doctrine is the choice of Bush, which makes Bush an insufficient subscriber to the Bush doctrine.
I’ll stop there, although anyone with a Nexis account can find far more where that came from. Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the “Bush Doctrine.” It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002
Palin was right. But the media are determined to smear her, like the Washington Post this morning falsely claiming that she blamed Saddam Hussein for 9-11.
The good part about the media piling on is when she finally does make a gaffe, no one will care any more.
Did you also notice how she got through the whole interview without saying a single question was above her pay grade?
ILoveCapitalismsays
Here’s a thought.
THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BUSH, FOR KEEPING US SAFE FROM ANOTHER ATTACK these past seven years.
ILoveCapitalismsays
And, THANK YOU, ALL WHO SERVE IN OUR MILITARY.
Thank you, President Bush and our military people, for keeping us *so* safe that America’s self-indulgently petty, paranoid, hateful and/or fatuous people (whether Left or, in some cases, Right) have been able to drift back into the “September 10” sleep of their pettiness, their paranoia, their hatefulness, and their fatuousness.
(* Not a reference to anything. Just a commonly used expression. How dare you assume I was referring to someone in particular!)
Davesays
TGC, you have perfectly modeled the exact attitude that caused 9/11. Switch the word liberal and there you are. Your words and beliefs are totally anti-American and uncivilized. If you truly want to honor those who died on that day and have died since then then get help, you are dangerous to those around you.
Davesays
SoCalRobert #24
This country should never forget what happened or the people who died that day and we should never cease the fight against who did it and their sick beliefs. But that has to be done based on truth and the willingness to address ALL the factors involved in what and who caused it. I lost two acquaintances that day. One, a man who had finally achieved his dream of joining the fire department and was among those who rushed in to help, he left behind two boys, one with severe mental and physical challenges. The other was a woman who suffered with head to toe burns for days before she passed, leaving her partner and their teenage son. I watched physical and spiritual damage inflicted upon the city that had up until two months before been my home and then I watched it used as a platform for immoral politicians of both parties to advance their careers. Don’t waste my time time talking about anger and spare me the warped revenge mentality, what is needed are valid solutions and rational reactions. That is what will truly honor the victims.
Davesays
V the K, did you even LOOK at the comment that that picture was in? Did you even READ it and those that followed. Or would that be too difficult and ruin it for you because then you would have to face reality. Hopefully the outrageous dishonesty (or is it just total stupidity) of the right wing blogsphere will ultimately wake people up to how disgusting you are. And hopefully before it’s too late …
Davesays
V in case you need it spelled out – NO ONE was celebrating.
Dishonest Dave strikes again. Even one of the Kos commenters admitted what was going on:
“1. this is just wrong. Polictics aside, there still is a thing called right and wrong, not just spin. You little picture is WRONG!
2. this is so stupid to post. This is not a private smoking room filled with liberal intellectuals. This is the internet. What on earth are YOU doing with this to help Obama? Do you think we need to firm up the tiny crazy kook America-hating base? or do you think a little compassion is called for on a day many remember their dead?
Sometimes I just can’t believe the stupidity of some that post here, and the lack of donuts that are tacit agreement. In fact, I find this entire thread, other than the rare admonition, to be disgusting, unhelpful, and stupid. yes I went there, STUPID!”
But if the left object to “terror porn” (a.k.a. displaying the horrors wrought on civilized people by Isalmic Fascists), will the left similarly give up its mad affection for racism porn? No more grainy black and white pictures of blacks in the Jim Crow south. No more pictures of klansmen from the 1930s.
Does anyone think that if a right-wing blogger put up a cartoon of a happy face lynching on MLK day, Dishonest Dave would laugh it off as a clever editorial comment on the commercialization of the civil rights movement?
So, when we went on the offensive against Japan and Germany after Pearl Harbor, was that just out of a “warped revenge mentality?” Or, was it to eliminate a threat to American security?
Defeating Islamo-Fascism as an ideology and terror as a tactic sounds like a “valid solution” to me, and killing Islamo-fascists who engage in terror is a rational strategy.
Davesays
#45 why stop there V, how about the fact that it didn’t originate on Kos, and there was a purpose for reposting it – which was NOT celebrating what happened. #43 – I didn’t laugh anything off, it’s not funny at all. The point is you lie, period.
#44 NDT – in short, you are a complete fool who hasn’t the slightest comprehension of what I said so you apply your own sick intepretation.
ILoveCapitalismsays
Dave, the only “warped mentality” here is your and the Kos Kidz’ clueless, America-blaming mentality.
Davesays
Well ILC, I’ve never blamed the US for what happened on 9/11 and I rarely read Kos so I can’t say whether they have or not. In this case they didn’t and to read it that way is ignorant and unjustified. But, that’s nothing new on here.
ILoveCapitalismsays
Well ILC, I’ve never blamed the US for what happened on 9/11
Bzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
A single Google search turned up these choice quotes from you. In a thread in May about ‘God Damn America’ Jeremiah Wright, who explicitly blames America for 9-11, you said:
I watched the [intense] clips [of Wright] that someone put together from Faux New and Hannity’s hate show and there was not one thing Wright said that was not absolutely true…
…I do believe we have fueled the fire of hatred in the extremists of Islam… [driving] rational people over the edge into fanaticism.
That was only one search. That’s all the time I care to spend on you. I’m not going to come up with any more. But I’m sure other regulars here could. Bottom line: Your claim to have “never” (your word) blamed the US for 9-11 is an untruth.
ILoveCapitalismsays
Correction: March (not May).
ILoveCapitalismsays
One last thought for you Dave: You also basically called this comment of mine unjustified. I proved you wrong there, too. Are you ever, in your time on GayPatriot, going to acknowledge when your statements, accusations or claims are provably wrong?
I’ll give you a hint: All you have to do is issue a correction, like I did at #50. Acknowledgement of error (or even apology for it) is implied, when you quickly issue a factual correction.
Davesays
One last thought for you ILC – what I said is NOT blaming the US 9/11. The fanatics are at fault for 9/11, that some actions of the US have fed the flames is undeniable, but the flames were already there. Just like with TGC, he hates liberals, always has and always will and attacks them without provocation but a single comment from one makes his hatred burn much hotter and higher. Is the liberal at fault? No, TGC is. In your either/or world I know that this just doesn’t fit. Too bad, there’s a real world that exists without your permission or acceptance.
I didn’t call that statement unjustified, I called it ridiculous. And to expand on that it is totally stupid, and those who share it with you be they left, right or indifferent, are just as stupid.
I’ll admit that I was wrong, I was wrong to think that there would be any thing other than slime produced on this blog. Actually there is, one or two “conservatives” here who are coherent and make some good points even if I don’t agree with what they say.
This has become beyond boring. The same spew from the same people. I could turn on the television if I wanted that. I leave again, in search of a true conservative who just happens to be gay, not a rabid fanatic who just happens to bend over for any dick that walks by.
ILoveCapitalismsays
Translation: “Ignore that man behind the curtain! I can blame America for 9-11 as much as I want – as long as I continue to insist loudly, in contradiction of my other statements, that I’m not!”
ThatGayConservativesays
TGC, you have perfectly modeled the exact attitude that caused 9/11.
What? That America doesn’t and shouldn’t grab it’s ankles for anybody? That we shouldn’t take crap from a-hole “Americans” who attack our own military and undermine our security to advance their political aspirations?
Your words and beliefs are totally anti-American and uncivilized.
You can take “anti-American” and cram that too. It may be uncivilized for your high and mighty elitist eyes, but it’s blunt, direct and honest. Maybe you should stick with the pure-as-the-undriven-snow KOSholes.
what is needed are valid solutions and rational reactions.
Translation: Liberal national security = federally funded Astroglide for all.
Just like with TGC, he hates liberals, always has and always will and attacks them without provocation but a single comment from one makes his hatred burn much hotter and higher.
I don’t HATE anybody. That’s the left’s job and we’ve seen nothing but for 8 solid years, at least. However, I loathe anybody that would make excuses for endangering our country. That includes people that would treat the 9/11 attacks as an act of vandalism. That includes leaders of our country who have zero interest in taking terrorism seriously other than empty promisses. That includes national leaders who politicize disasters and work fervently to undermine the United States to further their own political ambitions. That includes people and leaders who slander, attack, cut funding to, demand the surrender of our military and compares them to terrorists, Nazis, Soviets etc.
That also includes any uppity sonofabitch, thinking his stuff doesn’t stink, who throws around “anti-American” at anybody who has a problem with the above. You can believe that I hate you all you want. That’s your problem, not mine and not anybody else here on this blog. If my blunt honesty hurts your arrogant sensibilities, tough. I won’t apologize and I won’t lie.
michaelsays
condi rice: guilty of allowing 9-11 to happen. pearl harbor: the true day of infamy. republican whiners: sissies.
ThatGayConservativesays
Well if Condi’s guilty, lord BJ’s guilty of allowing the Kenya & Tanzania embassy bombings, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, the lack of interest in taking out bin Laden etc.
Whiners? Republicans are stepping up to the plate and doing what the liberals are often too scared to do. Meanwhile, the liberals like Dave there p*ss and moan about it.
BTW, Dave, if we had listened to people like you, we’d still be 13 colonies subject to the Crown. THAT, my sniveling friend, is anti-American.
Flight 175 remembered.
Flight 11 Remembered.
Oh, but “fire doesn’t melt steel”. And Bushco BushitlerCheney BushalliCheneyBurton blah blah blah blather blilligorp…So, America must never fight anyone in today’s world and if we do it’s always, inherently our fault, not theirs. (/sarc)
Flight 93 remembered.
I was in NYC when in happened. I ran outside to see Tower 1 on fire and the fireball that burst out of Tower 2. I lost several loved ones on that day. My neighborhood in Brooklyn was really hit hard with casualties. I was part of the salvage crew for two weeks at Ground Zero. Yet after 7 years, even I must confess that I was beginning to grow somewhat numb to 9-11. It something that I coped with, remembered and moved on.
Then something interesting happened this morning on my way to go surfing. My local talk radio station rebroadcast their original news soundbyte from when they were reporting what happened at the WTC. It was aired as a tribute during the moment of the anniversary of the first explosion (just before 9:00 AM EST). Replaying that event opened a floodgate of emotions that I thought I moved on from. I didn’t. I had to pull over because I started crying. I have come to grips with the fact that I will never have closure from this heinous incident.
And I am not about to forgive.
Here is a link to the Sept. 11 Memorial at the Pentagon. It looks very nice. Understated and bold at the same time. Too bad the nwe Towers are going to be such hideous looking building… if they ever get built.
This morning I woke up to find MSNBC broadcasting the entire events of that day as they happened.
Monday night on TNT (I think), United 93 was being shown. I watched that once and said I would not again.
No horror movie director or producer could make anything close to what happened that day.
Never again….
In retrospect, we should have nuked Tora-Bora and demanded heavy reparations from the Saudis.
No more Mr. Nice-guy….
Yes, we must always remember and honor those who were murdered on that sad day seven years ago.
I will never forget and, despite what my Chrstian faith teaches, never forgive.
In case any 9-11 Troofer moonbats visit: Fire greatly weakens steel, according to the BBC.
Everyone should fight against the Memorial to the Terrorists they are going to build on the crash site of United 93.
They are going to construct a site-plan that is in the shape of a giant Crescent. If you look into the crescent perpendicular to the ends of the crescent, you are facing in the same exact direction (to Mecca) you would face if you were in a Mosque
Where the plane hit the ground is the same location of the Star in a the Crescent / Star
There is a tower called the tower of silence that when you upward in the hollow inside of it, the appearance of the tower at the roof looks like the crescent symbol you see above every mosque.
The tower throws a shadow on pecularily arranged trees that circle it. The shadow it throws functions in the exact same fashion as something called an Islamic Sun Dial.. that’s a sun dial that tells Muslims that it is the time of the day for their many daily prayers.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C1AD8F45-12DC-4BFF-8295-8A8581D76D73
The 9/11 memorial outside the Pentagon is perfectly executed. That architects, loved ones, military staff, security personnel and private benefactors like the Rumsfelds could create such a moving, singularly focused and contemplative memorial is a testament to man’s soul. I hope ever GayPatriot reader can visit the memorial and pay tribute, honor the brave sacrafice of those memorialized and those still serving to bring justice for the 9/11 victims.
“We’ve finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don’t want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.â€
– Ann Coulter
Since it’s Jihad Day, I like to urge that Everyone should fight against the Memorial to the Terrorists they are going to build on the crash site of United 93.
They are going to construct a site-plan that is in the shape of a giant Crescent. If you look into the crescent perpendicular to the ends of the crescent, you are facing in the same exact direction (to Mecca) you would face if you were in a Mosque
Where the plane hit the ground is the same location of the Star in the Crescent / Star flag
There is a tower called the tower of silence that when you upward in the hollow inside of it, the appearance of the tower at the roof looks like the crescent symbol you see above every mosque.
The tower throws a shadow on pecularily arranged trees that circle it. The shadow it throws functions in the exact same fashion as something called an Islamic Sun Dial.. that’s a sun dial that tells Muslims that it is the time of the day for their many daily prayers.
I was working at Continental Airlines in reservations at the time. Talk about a cluster f*ck. We had no idea what was going on. The manager had taken the TV out of the break room because she didn’t want us spreading rumors. We heard things from others who came in later or what passengers on the phone told us.
My mom and I were on a special team that answers the calls for the 800 number given on the news when there’s a plane crash. We were on standby most of the day.
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile attacks and useless chest beating on a day when we remember these events. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some on here are unable to but it’s very, very sad.
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile equovication and naive head turning on a day when we should remember these murders, and people who are still out there who want to kill us. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some on here are unable to, but it’s very, very sad.
One would hope that liberals wouldn’t undermine their country when it comes to national security. One would hope that liberals would do everything they could to help instead of everything they could to hinder. One would hope that liberals wouldn’t politicize such a disaster and try to regain their absolute power. One would think the liberals would blame those responsiblie instead of their own country. One would think the liberals would be interested in going after those responsible for such an attack on our country treating it as an act of war rather than an act of vandalism.
One would be wrong.
I was driving near Chanute, Kansas that morning. I remember turning the radio on and listening to a report of a small plane hitting one of the Twin Towers. Interesting, I thought. And for some reason, I noticed the large number of “con trails” visible in the morning sky over SE Kansas.
After a little while, the news just got worse and worse. By the time I got to KC, I found people at the office glued, dumbstruck, to the TV.
Amazing how much so many of us forget who the enemy is and what we (used to) stand for.
We haven’t forgotten. Some of us just don’t want the US to get just like the enemy which is what is openly advocated by many “conservatives”. If you let the animals turn you into an animal then the victory is theirs. The one thing I will say good about GW Bush is that he didn’t listen to the ignorance that was so predominate in the “nuke ’em” crowd and responded with a course of action that could have proven very effective. Had he stuck with it that is..
“One would hope that liberals wouldn’t politicize such a disaster”
No matter how much the liberals politicize 9/11 they will always be far behind the conservatives in doing so. It has been repulsive since 9/12/08 to watch the scumbag mentality that has used that day for their personal gain and that starts in the Presidents office.
On this day I remember the families and friends of those that were lost. God Bless them, I pray for their healing. Those heroes who responded to the attack, not knowing fulling what they were dealing with, yet they plunged into the carnage to save people. That’s all they thought about, saving others. God Bless them and God bless the country that nurtured that kind of character.
Dave tomorrow I’m going to quote for you the hatefilled attacks leveled upon the country and leaders just hours after the attacks. Liberals politicised 9/11 moments after. But not today, I’ll respect 9/11. Not today.
Thank you Gene,
You have more restraint than I.
You can back that up, right? “Some”? How about all of us? The fact of the matter is that sonofabitch liberals consider anything other than lubing up and biting on a pillow to be “just like the enemy”.
We don’t need a snivelling POS without any concept of morality making moral equivalency judgements. Damn you and your sonofabitch leaders who demand surrender and accuse our soldiers of terrorism, compare them to Nazis and vote to cut off their funding. Damn you and anybody else who thinks we’re even close to being anywhere near as bad as the animals who behead human beings. Damn you and anybody else who compares our soldiers to that sort of human debris. Damn you and anybody else who chose to spin the deaths of almost 3,000 people and lie through their teeth for political gain.
THAT my sniveling, quivering friend is what’s repulsive.
What “started in the president’s office” was the plain truth that YOU cannot be trusted with our national security. The liberals have proved it over and over and over. The amount of lying and voting to gut and undermine this country is beyond disgraceful. I think what’s worse than that is that the DNC is anything more than a punchline seven years on.’
I spit in your direction. Check that. I wouldn’t waste the spit.
I was hoping that folks could rise above stupid, juvenile attacks and useless chest beating on a day when we remember these events.
Sorry, Dave, but righteous anger is appropriate. It motivates us to resist and, if necessary, destroy. The alternative is acceptance and surrender.
If I can’t reason with a mortal enemy then I want him paralyzed with fear. And if he’s not afraid then I want his sympathizers to fear me enough to restrain him.
Seven years is a long time ago and I’ve calmed down (I no longer lust for the ICBM launch codes like I did on Sep 12, 2001). But I was thinking this morning of a picture from 9-11 that showed one lone man posed like he was waiting at a bus stop… except that he was upside-down and falling from one of the towers. That image is seared into my memory and it upsets me every time I think of it. And it makes me mad as hell.
The attacks on our country is bad enough, SoCal. Then we have seven years of the liberals rubbing salt and lemon juice into the wounds and then people in our country want to vote for them.
Hell, Hamas wants to vote for them. Al-Qaeda frequently mirrors them in speech. That should speak volumes to the American people just who the liberals are if their actions don’t.
And then Dave comes on here with his high and mighty “better than you” attitude talking about how he’s repulsed? Screw him and the horse he rode in on.
Terror Porn!
Really, there’s no other way to commemorate this?
Palin right on Bush Doctrine, ABC NEWS doesn’t even know what it means
Weekly Standard ^ | 9-12-08 | Richard Starr
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/what_exactly_is_the_bush_doctr.asp#more
What Exactly Is the ‘Bush Doctrine’? It’s being taken in some quarters as revelatory of inexperience that Sarah Palin sought clarification when ABC’s Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine. To review, here is the passage from the transcript.
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine? PALIN: In what respect, Charlie? GIBSON: The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be? PALIN: His world view. GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war. PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that’s the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better. GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?
Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption. Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning. Gibson himself in the past has defined the Bush Doctrine to mean “a promise that all terrorist organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated”–which is remarkably close to Palin’s own answer.
Consider what a diversity of views on the meaning of the Bush Doctrine can be found simply within the archives of ABC News itself:
September 20, 2001 PETER JENNINGS: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, ‘From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.’ Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We’ll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That’s pretty broad. Broader than you expected?
December 9, 2001 GEORGE WILL: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it’s part of the Bush doctrine.
December 11, 2001 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Two years ago, September 1999, Bush gave his first speech when he was running about terrorism. And his first–had the first explanation of the Bush doctrine, that if you harbor a terrorist, you’re going to be attacked. The Bush White House is putting this out, saying it shows that Bush was very prescient, but that was only one speech given in the campaign.
January 28, 2002 BOB WOODWARD: This is now the Bush Doctrine . . . , namely that if we’re attacked by terrorists, we will not just go after those terrorists but the countries or the people who harbor them.
January 29, 2002 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: It was striking and significant that the president really expanded the Bush doctrine. If a nation builds a weapon of mass destruction–Iraq, Iran or North Korea–we will reserve the right to take out those weapons even if we’re not attacked or even if there’s not a threat.
March 19, 2004 TERRY MORAN: That was the Bush doctrine we just heard. On this one-year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush offered a very broad justification of American leadership in the world under him since 9/11. Not just since one year in Iraq. For American voters as an argument that the country is safer, but more as you point out, for the world, which has been divided by his leadership, that Iraq is knit, in his mind, very firmly into that war on terrorism. One omission which I believe will be noted around the world, he made no mention of the role of multilateral institutions, the UN and others, in this fight against terrorism. In his mind, it’s clear it’s American leadership with others following along.
May 7, 2006 GEORGE WILL: Now the argument from the right is the CIA is a rogue agent because it has not subscribed to the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine being that American security depends on the spread of democracy and we know how to do that. The trouble is, Negroponte, who is considered by some of these conservatives the villain here and an enemy of the Bush doctrine is the choice of Bush, which makes Bush an insufficient subscriber to the Bush doctrine.
I’ll stop there, although anyone with a Nexis account can find far more where that came from. Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the “Bush Doctrine.” It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002
Palin was right. But the media are determined to smear her, like the Washington Post this morning falsely claiming that she blamed Saddam Hussein for 9-11.
The good part about the media piling on is when she finally does make a gaffe, no one will care any more.
Did you also notice how she got through the whole interview without saying a single question was above her pay grade?
Here’s a thought.
And, THANK YOU, ALL WHO SERVE IN OUR MILITARY.
Thank you, President Bush and our military people, for keeping us *so* safe that America’s self-indulgently petty, paranoid, hateful and/or fatuous people (whether Left or, in some cases, Right) have been able to drift back into the “September 10” sleep of their pettiness, their paranoia, their hatefulness, and their fatuousness.
But, I’m obviously not referring to anyone by saying that, I’m just using a commonly used expression.
ILC, Here’s another thought:
(Although I’m sure a lot of Europeans were privately appalled at the passengers’ display of American cowboy individualism.)
yes!
Our counterparts at DailyKo(ok)s observed 9-11 in their own special way. No doubt jimmy would be pleased.
Well, V, it’s American death-porn. We know the Kos types are into that.
ILC, Screw ’em!*
(* Not a reference to anything. Just a commonly used expression. How dare you assume I was referring to someone in particular!)
TGC, you have perfectly modeled the exact attitude that caused 9/11. Switch the word liberal and there you are. Your words and beliefs are totally anti-American and uncivilized. If you truly want to honor those who died on that day and have died since then then get help, you are dangerous to those around you.
SoCalRobert #24
This country should never forget what happened or the people who died that day and we should never cease the fight against who did it and their sick beliefs. But that has to be done based on truth and the willingness to address ALL the factors involved in what and who caused it. I lost two acquaintances that day. One, a man who had finally achieved his dream of joining the fire department and was among those who rushed in to help, he left behind two boys, one with severe mental and physical challenges. The other was a woman who suffered with head to toe burns for days before she passed, leaving her partner and their teenage son. I watched physical and spiritual damage inflicted upon the city that had up until two months before been my home and then I watched it used as a platform for immoral politicians of both parties to advance their careers. Don’t waste my time time talking about anger and spare me the warped revenge mentality, what is needed are valid solutions and rational reactions. That is what will truly honor the victims.
V the K, did you even LOOK at the comment that that picture was in? Did you even READ it and those that followed. Or would that be too difficult and ruin it for you because then you would have to face reality. Hopefully the outrageous dishonesty (or is it just total stupidity) of the right wing blogsphere will ultimately wake people up to how disgusting you are. And hopefully before it’s too late …
V in case you need it spelled out – NO ONE was celebrating.
Dishonest Dave strikes again. Even one of the Kos commenters admitted what was going on:
(Emphasis added)
But if the left object to “terror porn” (a.k.a. displaying the horrors wrought on civilized people by Isalmic Fascists), will the left similarly give up its mad affection for racism porn? No more grainy black and white pictures of blacks in the Jim Crow south. No more pictures of klansmen from the 1930s.
Does anyone think that if a right-wing blogger put up a cartoon of a happy face lynching on MLK day, Dishonest Dave would laugh it off as a clever editorial comment on the commercialization of the civil rights movement?
Don’t waste my time time talking about anger and spare me the warped revenge mentality, what is needed are valid solutions and rational reactions.
In short, “Blame America First”.
So, when we went on the offensive against Japan and Germany after Pearl Harbor, was that just out of a “warped revenge mentality?” Or, was it to eliminate a threat to American security?
Defeating Islamo-Fascism as an ideology and terror as a tactic sounds like a “valid solution” to me, and killing Islamo-fascists who engage in terror is a rational strategy.
#45 why stop there V, how about the fact that it didn’t originate on Kos, and there was a purpose for reposting it – which was NOT celebrating what happened. #43 – I didn’t laugh anything off, it’s not funny at all. The point is you lie, period.
#44 NDT – in short, you are a complete fool who hasn’t the slightest comprehension of what I said so you apply your own sick intepretation.
Dave, the only “warped mentality” here is your and the Kos Kidz’ clueless, America-blaming mentality.
Well ILC, I’ve never blamed the US for what happened on 9/11 and I rarely read Kos so I can’t say whether they have or not. In this case they didn’t and to read it that way is ignorant and unjustified. But, that’s nothing new on here.
Bzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
A single Google search turned up these choice quotes from you. In a thread in May about ‘God Damn America’ Jeremiah Wright, who explicitly blames America for 9-11, you said:
That was only one search. That’s all the time I care to spend on you. I’m not going to come up with any more. But I’m sure other regulars here could. Bottom line: Your claim to have “never” (your word) blamed the US for 9-11 is an untruth.
Correction: March (not May).
One last thought for you Dave: You also basically called this comment of mine unjustified. I proved you wrong there, too. Are you ever, in your time on GayPatriot, going to acknowledge when your statements, accusations or claims are provably wrong?
I’ll give you a hint: All you have to do is issue a correction, like I did at #50. Acknowledgement of error (or even apology for it) is implied, when you quickly issue a factual correction.
One last thought for you ILC – what I said is NOT blaming the US 9/11. The fanatics are at fault for 9/11, that some actions of the US have fed the flames is undeniable, but the flames were already there. Just like with TGC, he hates liberals, always has and always will and attacks them without provocation but a single comment from one makes his hatred burn much hotter and higher. Is the liberal at fault? No, TGC is. In your either/or world I know that this just doesn’t fit. Too bad, there’s a real world that exists without your permission or acceptance.
I didn’t call that statement unjustified, I called it ridiculous. And to expand on that it is totally stupid, and those who share it with you be they left, right or indifferent, are just as stupid.
I’ll admit that I was wrong, I was wrong to think that there would be any thing other than slime produced on this blog. Actually there is, one or two “conservatives” here who are coherent and make some good points even if I don’t agree with what they say.
This has become beyond boring. The same spew from the same people. I could turn on the television if I wanted that. I leave again, in search of a true conservative who just happens to be gay, not a rabid fanatic who just happens to bend over for any dick that walks by.
Translation: “Ignore that man behind the curtain! I can blame America for 9-11 as much as I want – as long as I continue to insist loudly, in contradiction of my other statements, that I’m not!”
What? That America doesn’t and shouldn’t grab it’s ankles for anybody? That we shouldn’t take crap from a-hole “Americans” who attack our own military and undermine our security to advance their political aspirations?
You can take “anti-American” and cram that too. It may be uncivilized for your high and mighty elitist eyes, but it’s blunt, direct and honest. Maybe you should stick with the pure-as-the-undriven-snow KOSholes.
Translation: Liberal national security = federally funded Astroglide for all.
I don’t HATE anybody. That’s the left’s job and we’ve seen nothing but for 8 solid years, at least. However, I loathe anybody that would make excuses for endangering our country. That includes people that would treat the 9/11 attacks as an act of vandalism. That includes leaders of our country who have zero interest in taking terrorism seriously other than empty promisses. That includes national leaders who politicize disasters and work fervently to undermine the United States to further their own political ambitions. That includes people and leaders who slander, attack, cut funding to, demand the surrender of our military and compares them to terrorists, Nazis, Soviets etc.
That also includes any uppity sonofabitch, thinking his stuff doesn’t stink, who throws around “anti-American” at anybody who has a problem with the above. You can believe that I hate you all you want. That’s your problem, not mine and not anybody else here on this blog. If my blunt honesty hurts your arrogant sensibilities, tough. I won’t apologize and I won’t lie.
condi rice: guilty of allowing 9-11 to happen. pearl harbor: the true day of infamy. republican whiners: sissies.
Well if Condi’s guilty, lord BJ’s guilty of allowing the Kenya & Tanzania embassy bombings, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, the lack of interest in taking out bin Laden etc.
Whiners? Republicans are stepping up to the plate and doing what the liberals are often too scared to do. Meanwhile, the liberals like Dave there p*ss and moan about it.
BTW, Dave, if we had listened to people like you, we’d still be 13 colonies subject to the Crown. THAT, my sniveling friend, is anti-American.