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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; More Good News About McCain&#8217;s Attitude toward Gays</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/14/an-emerging-pattern-with-john-mccain-and-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-314933</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; More Good News About McCain&#8217;s Attitude toward Gays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] keeps coming in about John McCain&#8217;s attitudes about gays. And guess what? It confirms what we already know about this good man from Arizona: he harbors exactly the attitude toward gays we would want from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] keeps coming in about John McCain&#8217;s attitudes about gays. And guess what? It confirms what we already know about this good man from Arizona: he harbors exactly the attitude toward gays we would want from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/14/an-emerging-pattern-with-john-mccain-and-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-314869</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wish my liberal friends were open and unprejudiced enough to let this affect their views. Iâ€™ll try it, but I doubt it.&quot;

What a joke. I should be open to someone who opposes my right to marry the person that I love? Why can&#039;t MCCAIN be open and unprejudiced?

No, I am not only letting this affect my opinion of McCain. It&#039;s about a million other things I disagree with. Why do you think liberals vote Democrat? Because of one issue on gay rights? NO. I&#039;m sure you&#039;d be hard-pressed to find more than a few things that liberals would like about McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wish my liberal friends were open and unprejudiced enough to let this affect their views. Iâ€™ll try it, but I doubt it.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a joke. I should be open to someone who opposes my right to marry the person that I love? Why can&#8217;t MCCAIN be open and unprejudiced?</p>
<p>No, I am not only letting this affect my opinion of McCain. It&#8217;s about a million other things I disagree with. Why do you think liberals vote Democrat? Because of one issue on gay rights? NO. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to find more than a few things that liberals would like about McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if it were only possible to come out as a Republican to my Democratic friends and family!

My family would sit shiva for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if it were only possible to come out as a Republican to my Democratic friends and family!</p>
<p>My family would sit shiva for me.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; The Non-story of Mark Buse&#8217;s Outing</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; The Non-story of Mark Buse&#8217;s Outing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anyway, we already know how John McCain treats friends and colleagues when they come out to him as gay. Â It doesn&#8217;t matter to him. Â He treats them he same as he did the day before he learned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: somercet</title>
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		<dc:creator>somercet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œIn other words, if something doesnâ€™t make any difference then it doesnâ€™t make any difference.... I also cannot believe that the people of Arizona are as anti-gay as this quotation suggests. (Do they even know what gays are in Arizona, I wonder?)â€

How amusing: Ã†lfhere refuses to credit McCain for acting on his beliefs in the face of (any assumed) hostility to gays in Arizona. In his very next sentence, he all but calls Arizonans ignorant fundie hicks.

Ã†lfhere could have known &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/07/personally-our.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;if Arizonans have any native homos, or how they are regarded&lt;/a&gt;, but apparently he is either too frightened to travel to AZ, or does not care enough about the dumb hicks (or the foolish homos who refuse relocation to NYC, LA or SF) to go there and find out, or even Google.

Cut and run, Ã†lfhere, cut and run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œIn other words, if something doesnâ€™t make any difference then it doesnâ€™t make any difference&#8230;. I also cannot believe that the people of Arizona are as anti-gay as this quotation suggests. (Do they even know what gays are in Arizona, I wonder?)â€</p>
<p>How amusing: Ã†lfhere refuses to credit McCain for acting on his beliefs in the face of (any assumed) hostility to gays in Arizona. In his very next sentence, he all but calls Arizonans ignorant fundie hicks.</p>
<p>Ã†lfhere could have known <a href="http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/07/personally-our.html" rel="nofollow">if Arizonans have any native homos, or how they are regarded</a>, but apparently he is either too frightened to travel to AZ, or does not care enough about the dumb hicks (or the foolish homos who refuse relocation to NYC, LA or SF) to go there and find out, or even Google.</p>
<p>Cut and run, Ã†lfhere, cut and run.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedman Libertarian - GayPatriot &#38; An Emerging Pattern with John McCain and Gays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friedman Libertarian - GayPatriot &#38; An Emerging Pattern with John McCain and Gays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, McCain isn&#039;t asking for any kind of preferential treatment on the basis of his war injuries or age (or combination thereof); he&#039;s responding to a scurrilous attempt by the Obama campaign to make his war injuries and age a campaign issue. (Obama can&#039;t seem to pick a winner these days.) Possibly Sen. Obama has forgotten that elders tend to get out the vote in humongous numbers, whereas the youth vote tends to prove somewhat more elusive...

As for Gov. Palin&#039;s being dismissed by the Obama campaign, and the McCain campaign&#039;s response (pointing out that the party of &quot;tolerance&quot; has so far totally dissed &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; intelligent, accomplished women this year, apparently on the basis of their repeated X), that&#039;s just strategery, as somebody says. For Obama to claim that &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; is more qualified than Clinton, or that &lt;i&gt;Palin&lt;/i&gt; is less qualified than he (an arguable point, but even if it were unequivocally obvious it&#039;d be nothing but a big DUH, since he&#039;s running for President and she&#039;s not) is a giant glob of hypocrisy that the McCain campaign would have to be both saintly and wildly overconfident to let pass without comment. 

I seriously doubt that Palin is sobbing into Todd&#039;s shoulder over &quot;unfair&quot; treatment or that McCain is shaking his fist in impotent fury. I do imagine there&#039;s a lot of chuckling at McCain headquarters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, McCain isn&#8217;t asking for any kind of preferential treatment on the basis of his war injuries or age (or combination thereof); he&#8217;s responding to a scurrilous attempt by the Obama campaign to make his war injuries and age a campaign issue. (Obama can&#8217;t seem to pick a winner these days.) Possibly Sen. Obama has forgotten that elders tend to get out the vote in humongous numbers, whereas the youth vote tends to prove somewhat more elusive&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Gov. Palin&#8217;s being dismissed by the Obama campaign, and the McCain campaign&#8217;s response (pointing out that the party of &#8220;tolerance&#8221; has so far totally dissed <i>two</i> intelligent, accomplished women this year, apparently on the basis of their repeated X), that&#8217;s just strategery, as somebody says. For Obama to claim that <i>he</i> is more qualified than Clinton, or that <i>Palin</i> is less qualified than he (an arguable point, but even if it were unequivocally obvious it&#8217;d be nothing but a big DUH, since he&#8217;s running for President and she&#8217;s not) is a giant glob of hypocrisy that the McCain campaign would have to be both saintly and wildly overconfident to let pass without comment. </p>
<p>I seriously doubt that Palin is sobbing into Todd&#8217;s shoulder over &#8220;unfair&#8221; treatment or that McCain is shaking his fist in impotent fury. I do imagine there&#8217;s a lot of chuckling at McCain headquarters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ã†lfhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ã†lfhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem is simply with the idea of &quot;credit&quot;. If John McCain is pro-gay then why is it to his credit that he says he is? He would be a hyprocrite is he wasn&#039;t but said that he was, or vice versa. Or he could be principled and be against homosexuality personally but prepared to tolerate it in others for the sake of some greater good - or indeed vice versa. (He could, theoretically, quite like homosexuals personally but still consider homosexuality itself to be a moral disorder - loving the sinner but not the sin.)

In any event, McCain is a wily old politician and knows that the overwhelming majority of Americans are not anti-gay, even if they may be opposed to the more extreme forms of gay rights.

Yes, if I were an American I&#039;d vote for McCain-Palin rather than for Obama-Whatshisname. But beware of seeing him through, er, rose-tinted spectacles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem is simply with the idea of &#8220;credit&#8221;. If John McCain is pro-gay then why is it to his credit that he says he is? He would be a hyprocrite is he wasn&#8217;t but said that he was, or vice versa. Or he could be principled and be against homosexuality personally but prepared to tolerate it in others for the sake of some greater good &#8211; or indeed vice versa. (He could, theoretically, quite like homosexuals personally but still consider homosexuality itself to be a moral disorder &#8211; loving the sinner but not the sin.)</p>
<p>In any event, McCain is a wily old politician and knows that the overwhelming majority of Americans are not anti-gay, even if they may be opposed to the more extreme forms of gay rights.</p>
<p>Yes, if I were an American I&#8217;d vote for McCain-Palin rather than for Obama-Whatshisname. But beware of seeing him through, er, rose-tinted spectacles.</p>
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		<title>By: McCain Runs Dirtiest Campaign (What am I missing here?) &#171; Zipline Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain Runs Dirtiest Campaign (What am I missing here?) &#171; Zipline Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Left, The Media.  Tags: gay patriot, McCain a bully, McCain Mean, Obama a wuss trackback  Â Â An Emerging Pattern with John McCain and Gays  Posted by GayPatriotWest at 6:00 pm - September 14, 2008. Filed under: 2008 Presidential Politics, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain should have picked Val Kilmer as his VP and announced it on a beach...on a volleyball court.

Now that would have really sewed up the Log Cabin vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain should have picked Val Kilmer as his VP and announced it on a beach&#8230;on a volleyball court.</p>
<p>Now that would have really sewed up the Log Cabin vote.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCains campaign director (Schmidt) accepted the Log Cabin Republican&#039;s endorsement of McCain/Palin at the RNConv personally - I&#039;d say that is approaching formal acceptance of gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCains campaign director (Schmidt) accepted the Log Cabin Republican&#8217;s endorsement of McCain/Palin at the RNConv personally &#8211; I&#8217;d say that is approaching formal acceptance of gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If McCain is so happy with the gays, why doesnâ€™t he have a formal outreach programs?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Such things only have importance in the token-based world of Democrats, nick.  Or are only important to token-minded people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If McCain is so happy with the gays, why doesnâ€™t he have a formal outreach programs?</p></blockquote>
<p>Such things only have importance in the token-based world of Democrats, nick.  Or are only important to token-minded people.</p>
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		<title>By: OutliciousTV</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/14/an-emerging-pattern-with-john-mccain-and-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-307139</link>
		<dc:creator>OutliciousTV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals are sooo angry.   The only angry, vile comments on any board I read are from Liberals (ie: Nick).  I don&#039;t know how I could get through my daily life if I was always so angry.  Yuck!  What a turn off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are sooo angry.   The only angry, vile comments on any board I read are from Liberals (ie: Nick).  I don&#8217;t know how I could get through my daily life if I was always so angry.  Yuck!  What a turn off!</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Running &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Targeting the Swing(town) vote, Joe?</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/14/an-emerging-pattern-with-john-mccain-and-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-307137</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Running &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Targeting the Swing(town) vote, Joe?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UpdateII: Ah ha! They&#8217;re just closing a perceived alternative lifestyle tolerance gap! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Okie</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/14/an-emerging-pattern-with-john-mccain-and-gays/comment-page-1/#comment-307128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Okie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack #15:

Hey, Jack, have you noticed how many of the good guys are named Jack?  There&#039;s Jack Bauer, Smilin&#039; Jack, Jack Shephard,  ...

As a straight guy I&#039;ve been thinking the same thing about finding a better word than marriage for gay/lesbian unions.  Co-opting the word marriage to me somehow misses the mark; the Sacred Band of Thebes, and all committed gay and lesbian couples, deserves a word that uniquely honors their bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack #15:</p>
<p>Hey, Jack, have you noticed how many of the good guys are named Jack?  There&#8217;s Jack Bauer, Smilin&#8217; Jack, Jack Shephard,  &#8230;</p>
<p>As a straight guy I&#8217;ve been thinking the same thing about finding a better word than marriage for gay/lesbian unions.  Co-opting the word marriage to me somehow misses the mark; the Sacred Band of Thebes, and all committed gay and lesbian couples, deserves a word that uniquely honors their bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick in #14, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/01/on-covering-the-gop-convention-as-a-gay-man/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick in #14, read <a href="http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/01/on-covering-the-gop-convention-as-a-gay-man/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Willys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone gets a permit to create a union.  Only religious zealots require a charlatan to &#039;tie the knot&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone gets a permit to create a union.  Only religious zealots require a charlatan to &#8216;tie the knot&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: ZEITGEIST</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZEITGEIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EMERGING PATTERN with John McCain and gays. &quot;When John McCain learns a friend is gay, he says it doesnâ€™t make any [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should gays have a &#039;&#039;formal&#039;&#039; outreach program?

And why can&#039;t gays (our single most creative class) come up with a word for life-time commitment to another other than marriage?

A man with a man is a different relationship than a woman with a woman than a woman with a man.  

They should all be equal though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should gays have a &#8221;formal&#8221; outreach program?</p>
<p>And why can&#8217;t gays (our single most creative class) come up with a word for life-time commitment to another other than marriage?</p>
<p>A man with a man is a different relationship than a woman with a woman than a woman with a man.  </p>
<p>They should all be equal though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s the liberal left that wallows in identities and labels.&quot;
--Like &quot;Gay Patriot&quot; or &quot;gay conservative&quot;/

&quot;Be a victim&quot;? 
--Like Sarah Palin being a victim of sexism? or John McCain of mean comments linked to his being handicapped as an explanation for a lack of computer savvy?</description>
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&#8211;Like &#8220;Gay Patriot&#8221; or &#8220;gay conservative&#8221;/</p>
<p>&#8220;Be a victim&#8221;?<br />
&#8211;Like Sarah Palin being a victim of sexism? or John McCain of mean comments linked to his being handicapped as an explanation for a lack of computer savvy?</p>
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