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		<title>By: R U Kidding</title>
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		<dc:creator>R U Kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independents:

Anyone who hasn&#039;t made up their mind about this election hasn&#039;t been paying attention to this campaign or politics for the last 70 years. There is nothing new here.

Obama is a solid member of the neosocialist* left determined to change what is left of American capitalism - first into a full blown social democratic state and then, as capitalism collapses under the ever increasing weight of social democratic policies, into a purely socialist state, all the while blaming capitalism and its â€œexcessesâ€. 

McCain is a moderate Democrat determined to make the middle work. The fact that he is also a defense hawk doesn&#039;t make him a Republican, nor does the fact that he chose Sarah, who is. 

All of the talk in the world won&#039;t change this fundamental difference. 

If you want to move this country farther down the road to socialism, Obama and the Democrats are your clear choice. 

If you really do want the bipartisanship middle of the road approach many profess to want, McCain is your choice. 

If, like me, you want something else, too bad, so sad. 
If youâ€™re too unaware or too stupid to know what you want, call yourself an independent and make up your mind over the media and ideology derived and driven â€œissuesâ€ and the biases they choose to push at the moment.

It really is just that simple.

* neosocialist: a socialist who refuses to accept the abject failure of 20th century socialist experience and who seeks to hide his socialist ambitions behind an incremental approach, bastardization of language, and evocative images of â€œequalityâ€ that could only be achieved under the boot of state sponsored socialism, but wouldnâ€™t even then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independents:</p>
<p>Anyone who hasn&#8217;t made up their mind about this election hasn&#8217;t been paying attention to this campaign or politics for the last 70 years. There is nothing new here.</p>
<p>Obama is a solid member of the neosocialist* left determined to change what is left of American capitalism &#8211; first into a full blown social democratic state and then, as capitalism collapses under the ever increasing weight of social democratic policies, into a purely socialist state, all the while blaming capitalism and its â€œexcessesâ€. </p>
<p>McCain is a moderate Democrat determined to make the middle work. The fact that he is also a defense hawk doesn&#8217;t make him a Republican, nor does the fact that he chose Sarah, who is. </p>
<p>All of the talk in the world won&#8217;t change this fundamental difference. </p>
<p>If you want to move this country farther down the road to socialism, Obama and the Democrats are your clear choice. </p>
<p>If you really do want the bipartisanship middle of the road approach many profess to want, McCain is your choice. </p>
<p>If, like me, you want something else, too bad, so sad.<br />
If youâ€™re too unaware or too stupid to know what you want, call yourself an independent and make up your mind over the media and ideology derived and driven â€œissuesâ€ and the biases they choose to push at the moment.</p>
<p>It really is just that simple.</p>
<p>* neosocialist: a socialist who refuses to accept the abject failure of 20th century socialist experience and who seeks to hide his socialist ambitions behind an incremental approach, bastardization of language, and evocative images of â€œequalityâ€ that could only be achieved under the boot of state sponsored socialism, but wouldnâ€™t even then.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush agrees with you Leah. Hes always warned not to take polls seriously til the week before election. Now is the period when pollsters are trying to drive opinion with their polls, not report it. It is at the very end of the campaign when they start to reflect reality because they want to be correct on election day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush agrees with you Leah. Hes always warned not to take polls seriously til the week before election. Now is the period when pollsters are trying to drive opinion with their polls, not report it. It is at the very end of the campaign when they start to reflect reality because they want to be correct on election day.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be charitable, it could also represent more Democrats who were undecided last polling session taking the plunge for Obama, figuring an unqualified D is better than any R. I think the Democrats are Racist! poll that came out last week actually showed that the biggest mark against Obama among Democrats is the opinion that his inexperience was a reason to not vote for him.

Or that, while not necessarily oversampling Democrats, the pollsters are changing the weight they assign to party affiliations. I think The Corner had a deconstruction of a Gallup poll last week that suggested the convention polling bounces are the result of heavier weighting of the party that had just had their convention, not oversampling Dems or Republicans.

We won&#039;t really know unless we can get into the guts of the poll, who they asked, what questions they asked, how they interpret the responses, and their mathematical formulas used to compute the numbers. As they say, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be charitable, it could also represent more Democrats who were undecided last polling session taking the plunge for Obama, figuring an unqualified D is better than any R. I think the Democrats are Racist! poll that came out last week actually showed that the biggest mark against Obama among Democrats is the opinion that his inexperience was a reason to not vote for him.</p>
<p>Or that, while not necessarily oversampling Democrats, the pollsters are changing the weight they assign to party affiliations. I think The Corner had a deconstruction of a Gallup poll last week that suggested the convention polling bounces are the result of heavier weighting of the party that had just had their convention, not oversampling Dems or Republicans.</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t really know unless we can get into the guts of the poll, who they asked, what questions they asked, how they interpret the responses, and their mathematical formulas used to compute the numbers. As they say, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal hypothesis about the Clintons and their lust for power predicts them to work covertly / subtly / indirectly to defeat Obama.  And it looks like it&#039;s coming true:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/25/awesome-mccains-acting-in-good-faith-in-pulling-out-of-the-debate-says-clinton/

Will they succeed in bringing down Obama, thus electing McCain?  They are very limited in what they can do.  Their hands are tied, because they can&#039;t afford to be *seen* defeating Obama.  On the other hand, come on, they are the political masters. So, is Obama doomed?  McCain and Palin will still need to turn in very good performances in the debates and on the remaining campaign trail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal hypothesis about the Clintons and their lust for power predicts them to work covertly / subtly / indirectly to defeat Obama.  And it looks like it&#8217;s coming true:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/25/awesome-mccains-acting-in-good-faith-in-pulling-out-of-the-debate-says-clinton/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/25/awesome-mccains-acting-in-good-faith-in-pulling-out-of-the-debate-says-clinton/</a></p>
<p>Will they succeed in bringing down Obama, thus electing McCain?  They are very limited in what they can do.  Their hands are tied, because they can&#8217;t afford to be *seen* defeating Obama.  On the other hand, come on, they are the political masters. So, is Obama doomed?  McCain and Palin will still need to turn in very good performances in the debates and on the remaining campaign trail.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read yesterday that the Washington Post poll that put Obama 9 points ahead could not have been balanced equally between Democrats and Republicans. Meanwhile, while touting those numbers all other polls of the day still have the two neck to neck.

My sense is that the media is trying to use polls as a tool to effect the election. That was very clear last time when exit polls supposedly put Kerry over the top in the early stages of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read yesterday that the Washington Post poll that put Obama 9 points ahead could not have been balanced equally between Democrats and Republicans. Meanwhile, while touting those numbers all other polls of the day still have the two neck to neck.</p>
<p>My sense is that the media is trying to use polls as a tool to effect the election. That was very clear last time when exit polls supposedly put Kerry over the top in the early stages of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be on to something here. As a registered republican for 31 years, I have NEVER been polled in a presidential election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be on to something here. As a registered republican for 31 years, I have NEVER been polled in a presidential election.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, ILC.  And that&#039;s exactly what I do, raise the question. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, ILC.  And that&#8217;s exactly what I do, raise the question. <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of playing the &quot;Pollsters must be oversampling Democrats&quot; game.  Ask the question, fine.  But party affiliation and enthusiasm are indeed fluid, for many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of playing the &#8220;Pollsters must be oversampling Democrats&#8221; game.  Ask the question, fine.  But party affiliation and enthusiasm are indeed fluid, for many people.</p>
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