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	<title>Comments on: Will MSM Take Note of Obama&#8217;s Kissinger Gaffe?</title>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-313122</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that, Clint, and you have to remember that Obama is whining about the way people feel about us when those same people &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2575395/British-anti-Americanism-based-on-misconceptions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;haven&#039;t the faintest idea of reality in the United States&lt;/a&gt;.

Or, in other words, when people in Europe are upset because they falsely believe we sold Saddam more than a quarter of his weapons, Obama&#039;s response, instead of confronting them and telling them they&#039;re wrong, is to whine and blame US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that, Clint, and you have to remember that Obama is whining about the way people feel about us when those same people <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2575395/British-anti-Americanism-based-on-misconceptions.html" rel="nofollow">haven&#8217;t the faintest idea of reality in the United States</a>.</p>
<p>Or, in other words, when people in Europe are upset because they falsely believe we sold Saddam more than a quarter of his weapons, Obama&#8217;s response, instead of confronting them and telling them they&#8217;re wrong, is to whine and blame US.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before someone jumps in to defend Obama&#039;s statement, keep in mind he was explicitly comparing to the 1960&#039;s.

When the U.S. was fighting in Vietnam (which we&#039;ve heard is kind of like Iraq); when the Civil Rights movement was slowly making progress against segregation and the Klu Klux Klan was still active (this should be attractive to Africans like his dad??); when JFK, RFK, and MLK were all shot by assassins...

There were all kinds of good things too -- just worth remembering how far we&#039;ve come.  Heck, just the fact that Obama was applauded as a Presidential Candidate at Ole Miss, where U.S. marshals and the National Guard had to be on hand to escort James Meredith onto campus during the era Obama is apparently placing up on a pedestal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before someone jumps in to defend Obama&#8217;s statement, keep in mind he was explicitly comparing to the 1960&#8217;s.</p>
<p>When the U.S. was fighting in Vietnam (which we&#8217;ve heard is kind of like Iraq); when the Civil Rights movement was slowly making progress against segregation and the Klu Klux Klan was still active (this should be attractive to Africans like his dad??); when JFK, RFK, and MLK were all shot by assassins&#8230;</p>
<p>There were all kinds of good things too &#8212; just worth remembering how far we&#8217;ve come.  Heck, just the fact that Obama was applauded as a Presidential Candidate at Ole Miss, where U.S. marshals and the National Guard had to be on hand to escort James Meredith onto campus during the era Obama is apparently placing up on a pedestal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-313021</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AE-

A good list of blunders, but I believe you missed the biggest one of all.

In the last part, during his &lt;b&gt;prepared&lt;/b&gt; closing statement, Obama started strong.  I thought he was going to blow it when he started with Kenya -- but it was a paean to America as a beacon of liberty and opportunity.  Great stuff.  Then he totally jumped the shark -- he said:&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Recall that his wife&#039;s careless comment about pride in America was a talking point for months.  This clear, prepared statement from the candidate himself is going to come back to haunt him.

It may not appear to be a &quot;gotcha&quot; moment right now, but I really think it will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AE-</p>
<p>A good list of blunders, but I believe you missed the biggest one of all.</p>
<p>In the last part, during his <b>prepared</b> closing statement, Obama started strong.  I thought he was going to blow it when he started with Kenya &#8212; but it was a paean to America as a beacon of liberty and opportunity.  Great stuff.  Then he totally jumped the shark &#8212; he said:<br />
<blockquote>I don&#8217;t think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.</p></blockquote>
<p>Recall that his wife&#8217;s careless comment about pride in America was a talking point for months.  This clear, prepared statement from the candidate himself is going to come back to haunt him.</p>
<p>It may not appear to be a &#8220;gotcha&#8221; moment right now, but I really think it will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hate the way he pronounces Pakistan. If he wins and I have to hear that forever, Iâ€™m going to go insane.&quot;

Vince P, don&#039;t you mean you&#039;re going to go &quot;nucular&quot;.

Sorry, I couldn&#039;t resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate the way he pronounces Pakistan. If he wins and I have to hear that forever, Iâ€™m going to go insane.&#8221;</p>
<p>Vince P, don&#8217;t you mean you&#8217;re going to go &#8220;nucular&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312944</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Beyond that misrepresentation, Obama did not commit any major blunders in tonightâ€™s debate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh i think he made a bunch of major blunders.

First and foremost saying McCain was right half a dozen times or more. You can bet good money he wont be doing that again. 

Going up against McCain on veterans issues was another, and I&#039;m glad he did it directly since his campaign has been trying to do it through back channels and surrogates for weeks. He looked like a complete ass challenging a wounded and crippled vet on veterans issues, and McCain obliterated him. &quot;Look, I love our veterans. They know I love them and will take care of them&quot;.

His &quot;I have a bracelet too&quot; was ASININE, made even worse by the fact that it was obviously planned ahead of time. Especially the visual of the whole thing. McCain having difficulty raising his bracelet enough for the audience to see because of his torture inflicted wounds and Obama popping his up like an overenthusiastic puppy dog, &quot;pant pant, me too! pant pant! me too!&quot;

Interrupting McCain constantly and even trying to talk over him, I think was also a major blunder. Made him look not only unpresidential, but unprofessional and like he was falling apart, which, of course, he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Beyond that misrepresentation, Obama did not commit any major blunders in tonightâ€™s debate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh i think he made a bunch of major blunders.</p>
<p>First and foremost saying McCain was right half a dozen times or more. You can bet good money he wont be doing that again. </p>
<p>Going up against McCain on veterans issues was another, and I&#8217;m glad he did it directly since his campaign has been trying to do it through back channels and surrogates for weeks. He looked like a complete ass challenging a wounded and crippled vet on veterans issues, and McCain obliterated him. &#8220;Look, I love our veterans. They know I love them and will take care of them&#8221;.</p>
<p>His &#8220;I have a bracelet too&#8221; was ASININE, made even worse by the fact that it was obviously planned ahead of time. Especially the visual of the whole thing. McCain having difficulty raising his bracelet enough for the audience to see because of his torture inflicted wounds and Obama popping his up like an overenthusiastic puppy dog, &#8220;pant pant, me too! pant pant! me too!&#8221;</p>
<p>Interrupting McCain constantly and even trying to talk over him, I think was also a major blunder. Made him look not only unpresidential, but unprofessional and like he was falling apart, which, of course, he was.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312940</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, caught in the filter again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, caught in the filter again.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312939</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obamaâ€™s difference with Kissinger was at what level the diplomacy should take place; presidential or lower-level. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh stop it! You liberals are so full of shit. 

Obama has been saying for months that HE would meet with Ahmadinejad personally without precondition in his first year. Obama is running for President, not for some lower level. 

The fact is he was caught in a blatant lie, tried to pretend Kissenger backed him up, and dissembled into Clintonian &quot;it depends on what the meaning of is is &quot; crap. &quot;

I have a newsflash for Obama and his walking dead followers. We&#039;ve BEEN meeting with Iran, venezuela, North Korea, Syria, ALL ALONG. At lower levels. Since LONG before Obama suggested it. The fact remains that for the same reason we do not negotiate with terrorists, the president should never meet with these despots and rogues without precondition -- it legitimizes them and what they do. If you negotiate with terrorists it sends the message to the world: kill enough civilians and get what you want. And if you meet with tyrants without demanding concessions it legitimizes their behavior and puts them on the same level as civilized nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obamaâ€™s difference with Kissinger was at what level the diplomacy should take place; presidential or lower-level. </p></blockquote>
<p>Oh stop it! You liberals are so full of shit. </p>
<p>Obama has been saying for months that HE would meet with Ahmadinejad personally without precondition in his first year. Obama is running for President, not for some lower level. </p>
<p>The fact is he was caught in a blatant lie, tried to pretend Kissenger backed him up, and dissembled into Clintonian &#8220;it depends on what the meaning of is is &#8221; crap. &#8221;</p>
<p>I have a newsflash for Obama and his walking dead followers. We&#8217;ve BEEN meeting with Iran, venezuela, North Korea, Syria, ALL ALONG. At lower levels. Since LONG before Obama suggested it. The fact remains that for the same reason we do not negotiate with terrorists, the president should never meet with these despots and rogues without precondition &#8212; it legitimizes them and what they do. If you negotiate with terrorists it sends the message to the world: kill enough civilians and get what you want. And if you meet with tyrants without demanding concessions it legitimizes their behavior and puts them on the same level as civilized nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Christ. That was awful.

You should  have to spend the night with Pelosi as punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Christ. That was awful.</p>
<p>You should  have to spend the night with Pelosi as punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312913</link>
		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Vince P:

De Tally Ban  go to Packy Stan to tally de bananas. Day-O. Hey Mr. Tally Ban daylight come in Packy Stan and I wanna go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Vince P:</p>
<p>De Tally Ban  go to Packy Stan to tally de bananas. Day-O. Hey Mr. Tally Ban daylight come in Packy Stan and I wanna go home.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the way he pronounces Pakistan.  If he wins and I have to hear that forever, I&#039;m going to go insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the way he pronounces Pakistan.  If he wins and I have to hear that forever, I&#8217;m going to go insane.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistan? Obama characterized Pakistan as a democracy loving country that was taken over by a dictator. Heavenly days, Pakistan is a loosely knit amalgamation of whackos and crazies who love to practice for the next dictator olympics. Where did Obama get his idea that &quot;democratically elected&quot; presidents (and candidates) in that country get assassinated because they use the wrong fork or something.

Oh, I forgot, Obama made a fact finding trip when he was in college. We he was seriously broke. And he forgot to explain it in his series of biographies. Barack Putz Obama a regular walking state department of hope and change based on palaver. This guy is looking more and more like the dispatcher at the Amos and Andy taxi company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan? Obama characterized Pakistan as a democracy loving country that was taken over by a dictator. Heavenly days, Pakistan is a loosely knit amalgamation of whackos and crazies who love to practice for the next dictator olympics. Where did Obama get his idea that &#8220;democratically elected&#8221; presidents (and candidates) in that country get assassinated because they use the wrong fork or something.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot, Obama made a fact finding trip when he was in college. We he was seriously broke. And he forgot to explain it in his series of biographies. Barack Putz Obama a regular walking state department of hope and change based on palaver. This guy is looking more and more like the dispatcher at the Amos and Andy taxi company.</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312868</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM points out that Angry Bambi couldn&#039;t even remember the name of &#039;his&#039; soldier:

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/26/debate-video-obama-cant-remember-the-soldiers-name-on-his-bracelet/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM points out that Angry Bambi couldn&#8217;t even remember the name of &#8216;his&#8217; soldier:</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/26/debate-video-obama-cant-remember-the-soldiers-name-on-his-bracelet/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/26/debate-video-obama-cant-remember-the-soldiers-name-on-his-bracelet/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/27/will-msm-take-note-of-obamas-kissinger-gaffe/comment-page-1/#comment-312866</link>
		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but lest I forget - &quot;You have a bracelet, too&quot;.  Shame on me.  (/sarc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but lest I forget &#8211; &#8220;You have a bracelet, too&#8221;.  Shame on me.  (/sarc)</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing underscores Angry Bambi&#039;s phoniness.

Another phony aspect: the Left &quot;anti-war&quot; candidate posing as a guy who wants to *expand* a certain war.  (Afghanistan)  Riiiiiiiiiight.  I really buy your macho act, Angry Bambi.  So convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing underscores Angry Bambi&#8217;s phoniness.</p>
<p>Another phony aspect: the Left &#8220;anti-war&#8221; candidate posing as a guy who wants to *expand* a certain war.  (Afghanistan)  Riiiiiiiiiight.  I really buy your macho act, Angry Bambi.  So convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kissinger has already slapped Obama for it. See Hot Air.</description>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torrent: uh, Pakistan was a failed state before Musharaf&#039;s coup.. the PM , Shariff, was in the hand of Islamists and also responsible for invoking the US sanctions due to their nuclear activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torrent: uh, Pakistan was a failed state before Musharaf&#8217;s coup.. the PM , Shariff, was in the hand of Islamists and also responsible for invoking the US sanctions due to their nuclear activity.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh right! It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Pakistan&lt;/i&gt; that&#039;s the shining beacon on the hill. How silly of us. It&#039;s Pakistan that millions of people flock to all the time.

Hey, I wanted to apologize to you, TP. You were right. Comrade Obama &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have stayed away from that meeting at the WH (turned FUBAR by him), even if they did call him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh right! It&#8217;s <i>Pakistan</i> that&#8217;s the shining beacon on the hill. How silly of us. It&#8217;s Pakistan that millions of people flock to all the time.</p>
<p>Hey, I wanted to apologize to you, TP. You were right. Comrade Obama <i>should</i> have stayed away from that meeting at the WH (turned FUBAR by him), even if they did call him.</p>
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		<title>By: torrentprime</title>
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		<dc:creator>torrentprime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the media will make a big deal of McCain&#039;s &quot;Pakistan was a failed state before Musharraf took it over&quot; gaffe? I suppose that makes McCain look like a foreign policy expert?

Obama&#039;s difference with Kissinger was at what level the diplomacy should take place; presidential or lower-level. McCain confused Pakistan&#039;s democracy with, what, anarchy? Apparently; yet the current right-wing again tries to act like proposing diplomacy is equivalent to high treason and ignores historical erorrs &lt;i&gt;made while trying to lecture your opponent on history&lt;/I&gt;. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the media will make a big deal of McCain&#8217;s &#8220;Pakistan was a failed state before Musharraf took it over&#8221; gaffe? I suppose that makes McCain look like a foreign policy expert?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s difference with Kissinger was at what level the diplomacy should take place; presidential or lower-level. McCain confused Pakistan&#8217;s democracy with, what, anarchy? Apparently; yet the current right-wing again tries to act like proposing diplomacy is equivalent to high treason and ignores historical erorrs <i>made while trying to lecture your opponent on history</i>. Sad.</p>
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