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	<title>Comments on: Why I was Wrong about Prop 8&#8242;s Impending Defeat</title>
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		<title>By: PearlOfWizdom</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/10/why-i-was-wrong-about-prop-8s-impending-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-324048</link>
		<dc:creator>PearlOfWizdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow up: 10 News San Diego has contacted me and promised to make corrections on tonight&#039;s 5 pm and tomorrow morning&#039;s news. You CAN make a difference!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up: 10 News San Diego has contacted me and promised to make corrections on tonight&#8217;s 5 pm and tomorrow morning&#8217;s news. You CAN make a difference!!!</p>
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		<title>By: PearlOfWizdom</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/10/why-i-was-wrong-about-prop-8s-impending-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-323964</link>
		<dc:creator>PearlOfWizdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have sent this in a more general way, if I could have found &quot;contact&quot; info on your site. But it is so important regarding Prop 8, that I will comment here. Here in San Diego, our local ABC affiliate just stated lies about 8 on the 10/21/08 morning news -- Kirsten Lindquist said: &quot;If prop 8 does not pass churches could lose their tax exempt status and face prosecution if they refuse to marry same sex couples&quot; 

I also provided correct info. I also sent it to my local progressive radio program as well as Media Matters (I know they don&#039;t do local, but what am I to do?) and DailyKos. I will tell everyone I know in San Diego. And report it on my blog. I don&#039;t know what else to do. Please help! (http://www.pearlofwizdom.blogspot.com/)

BTW, for what its worth, I&#039;m NOT gay. Happily married for 23 years. Gays should be able to enjoy the same. This is so FREAKING RIDICULOUS! What can I do???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have sent this in a more general way, if I could have found &#8220;contact&#8221; info on your site. But it is so important regarding Prop 8, that I will comment here. Here in San Diego, our local ABC affiliate just stated lies about 8 on the 10/21/08 morning news &#8212; Kirsten Lindquist said: &#8220;If prop 8 does not pass churches could lose their tax exempt status and face prosecution if they refuse to marry same sex couples&#8221; </p>
<p>I also provided correct info. I also sent it to my local progressive radio program as well as Media Matters (I know they don&#8217;t do local, but what am I to do?) and DailyKos. I will tell everyone I know in San Diego. And report it on my blog. I don&#8217;t know what else to do. Please help! (<a href="http://www.pearlofwizdom.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pearlofwizdom.blogspot.com/</a>)</p>
<p>BTW, for what its worth, I&#8217;m NOT gay. Happily married for 23 years. Gays should be able to enjoy the same. This is so FREAKING RIDICULOUS! What can I do???</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not about Republicans vs Democrats, liberals vs conservatives, or even straights vs gays.  This is about traditionalists vs non-traditionalists, and the right to keep our traditions.   This is about protecting our right to vote.  This is about deciding what we want our children to learn.

I live in Utah, where it was already decided that marriage is only between a man and a woman, but if it is allowed in California, and Massachusetts, what state comes next?  How do we keep our nation from being split in half over a rights issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not about Republicans vs Democrats, liberals vs conservatives, or even straights vs gays.  This is about traditionalists vs non-traditionalists, and the right to keep our traditions.   This is about protecting our right to vote.  This is about deciding what we want our children to learn.</p>
<p>I live in Utah, where it was already decided that marriage is only between a man and a woman, but if it is allowed in California, and Massachusetts, what state comes next?  How do we keep our nation from being split in half over a rights issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Todd and I am writing to express my concern over having my Prop 8 signs stolen from my yard.  Last Sunday upon arriving home from church at 5:00 I put out my Prop 8 sign on my front lawn.  After having dinner with my family I left at 5:50 for a meeting and discovered that my sign was gone.  I live at the end of a cul-de-sac so someone would have had to drive down, take the sign and drive away.  I have put up other signs on busy roads and the signs are always missing by the next day.  Obviously, the supporters of Prop 8 are not taking them down.  So I have to ask:  &quot;Where is the tolerance?&quot;  &quot;Why do those with opposing views feel my expression must be silenced?&quot;  I have no problem with the opposing view expressing their opinions.  It does not threaten me nor make me feel as if my view is less important.  It is just a view different view. That is what freedom of speech is all about.   Simply put, if you see a Prop 8 sign up one day and missing the next, the only person who could have taken it is one who is intolerant of the views of others.

Todd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Todd and I am writing to express my concern over having my Prop 8 signs stolen from my yard.  Last Sunday upon arriving home from church at 5:00 I put out my Prop 8 sign on my front lawn.  After having dinner with my family I left at 5:50 for a meeting and discovered that my sign was gone.  I live at the end of a cul-de-sac so someone would have had to drive down, take the sign and drive away.  I have put up other signs on busy roads and the signs are always missing by the next day.  Obviously, the supporters of Prop 8 are not taking them down.  So I have to ask:  &#8220;Where is the tolerance?&#8221;  &#8220;Why do those with opposing views feel my expression must be silenced?&#8221;  I have no problem with the opposing view expressing their opinions.  It does not threaten me nor make me feel as if my view is less important.  It is just a view different view. That is what freedom of speech is all about.   Simply put, if you see a Prop 8 sign up one day and missing the next, the only person who could have taken it is one who is intolerant of the views of others.</p>
<p>Todd</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Better ad Against Prop. 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Better ad Against Prop. 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The folks at &#8220;No on 8&#8243; have decided to take a different tack in opposing the ballot measure.Â  Instead of reassuring us that the parade of horribles described by the &#8220;Yes&#8221; ads won&#8217;t come to pass (if Proposition 8 is defeated), they&#8217;re now challenging the Proposition itself.Â  I&#8217;m how sure how effective this ad will be, but at least it won&#8217;t be counterproductive as was the second &#8220;No&#8221; ad: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The folks at &#8220;No on 8&#8243; have decided to take a different tack in opposing the ballot measure.Â  Instead of reassuring us that the parade of horribles described by the &#8220;Yes&#8221; ads won&#8217;t come to pass (if Proposition 8 is defeated), they&#8217;re now challenging the Proposition itself.Â  I&#8217;m how sure how effective this ad will be, but at least it won&#8217;t be counterproductive as was the second &#8220;No&#8221; ad: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.

Oops...that&#039;s a sentence fragment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>Oops&#8230;that&#8217;s a sentence fragment!</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/10/why-i-was-wrong-about-prop-8s-impending-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-319688</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point, Draybee.

I should proofread each post twice instead once as I do now.

As to the sentence fragments, sometimes they&#039;re there for dramatic (or rhetorical) effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point, Draybee.</p>
<p>I should proofread each post twice instead once as I do now.</p>
<p>As to the sentence fragments, sometimes they&#8217;re there for dramatic (or rhetorical) effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GPW - I appreciate that you&#039;re not offended by my comment and I&#039;m not trying to be antagonistic, but...

&quot;I do, however, take the time to proofread, but sometimes when proofreading, will add a word to the sentence, intending to replace another and fail to replace the word that needs replacing.&quot;

So in other words, you proofread, but you do it poorly.  My English teachers would never have let me get away with that excuse.  In this instance you actually changed the meaning of what you intended to say, so I pointed it out.  As I said, it gets confusing.  But I notice extraneous words and fragmented sentences in your posts all the time.  Again, I&#039;m not trying to be antagonistic, but you are the main contributor to a blog that is read by many people and that has been linked to quite a bit recently by other blogs.  You&#039;re trying to convey your opinions to your readers through your words and to many readers, sloppy writing (whether by accident or not) suggests sloppy thinking.  You owe yourself and your opinions better than that.

To be fair, your grammar has improved dramatically since the last time I had to take my red pencil to your work (insert smiley emoticon here).  Still, the minute or two it takes to focus on and reread your comments will benefit you and your opinions more than the speed with which you can post them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GPW &#8211; I appreciate that you&#8217;re not offended by my comment and I&#8217;m not trying to be antagonistic, but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I do, however, take the time to proofread, but sometimes when proofreading, will add a word to the sentence, intending to replace another and fail to replace the word that needs replacing.&#8221;</p>
<p>So in other words, you proofread, but you do it poorly.  My English teachers would never have let me get away with that excuse.  In this instance you actually changed the meaning of what you intended to say, so I pointed it out.  As I said, it gets confusing.  But I notice extraneous words and fragmented sentences in your posts all the time.  Again, I&#8217;m not trying to be antagonistic, but you are the main contributor to a blog that is read by many people and that has been linked to quite a bit recently by other blogs.  You&#8217;re trying to convey your opinions to your readers through your words and to many readers, sloppy writing (whether by accident or not) suggests sloppy thinking.  You owe yourself and your opinions better than that.</p>
<p>To be fair, your grammar has improved dramatically since the last time I had to take my red pencil to your work (insert smiley emoticon here).  Still, the minute or two it takes to focus on and reread your comments will benefit you and your opinions more than the speed with which you can post them.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Prop 8 Opponents Need a Better Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Prop 8 Opponents Need a Better Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why I was Wrong about Prop 8&#8217;s Impending Defeat [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/10/why-i-was-wrong-about-prop-8s-impending-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-319576</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Draybee--first, thanks for catching the typo.  

I do, however, take the time to proofread, but sometimes when proofreading, will add a word to the sentence, intending to replace another and fail to replace the word that needs replacing.

Here&#039;s what I meant to say, &quot;The ad which I once thought was so bad it would cause voters to &lt;em&gt;oppose&lt;/em&gt; the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&quot;  Since fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Draybee&#8211;first, thanks for catching the typo.  </p>
<p>I do, however, take the time to proofread, but sometimes when proofreading, will add a word to the sentence, intending to replace another and fail to replace the word that needs replacing.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I meant to say, &#8220;The ad which I once thought was so bad it would cause voters to <em>oppose</em> the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&#8221;  Since fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18: NDT, thank you for alerting us to that mortifying story.  Several of the quotes are just unbelievable.  Like this one from the interim school administrator:

&quot;As far as I&#039;m concerned, it&#039;s not controversial for me,&quot; Jaroflow said. &quot;It&#039;s certainly an issue I would be willing to put my job on the line for.&quot;

That&#039;s right.  This narcissistic woman would put her job on the line to ensure that school children are indoctrinated into celebrating gay marriage.  And liberals still have the nerve to insist that no public school teacher or administrator would ever DREAM of indoctrinating school children with their leftist political agenda.  

And the ability to &quot;opt-out&quot; (the pet-peeve of every narcissistic public educator) doesn&#039;t make it okay.  The story indicates that the two children who didn&#039;t participate &quot;spent the duration of the 90-minute field trip back at school with another first-grade class, the interim director said.&quot;  Yeah, that&#039;s not stigmatizing--the whole class gets to go to a GREAT BIG GAY PARTY and the Bible-thumping freaks get shuffled into a completely different class with different kids and a different teacher (wonder how much they learned during that 90-minute session?).

These people are completely out of control.  Of course, if a teacher took a class on a field trip to a petting zoo and the teacher made a Muslim student hold a squealing piglet, the entire school board would have to resign in shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18: NDT, thank you for alerting us to that mortifying story.  Several of the quotes are just unbelievable.  Like this one from the interim school administrator:</p>
<p>&#8220;As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it&#8217;s not controversial for me,&#8221; Jaroflow said. &#8220;It&#8217;s certainly an issue I would be willing to put my job on the line for.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right.  This narcissistic woman would put her job on the line to ensure that school children are indoctrinated into celebrating gay marriage.  And liberals still have the nerve to insist that no public school teacher or administrator would ever DREAM of indoctrinating school children with their leftist political agenda.  </p>
<p>And the ability to &#8220;opt-out&#8221; (the pet-peeve of every narcissistic public educator) doesn&#8217;t make it okay.  The story indicates that the two children who didn&#8217;t participate &#8220;spent the duration of the 90-minute field trip back at school with another first-grade class, the interim director said.&#8221;  Yeah, that&#8217;s not stigmatizing&#8211;the whole class gets to go to a GREAT BIG GAY PARTY and the Bible-thumping freaks get shuffled into a completely different class with different kids and a different teacher (wonder how much they learned during that 90-minute session?).</p>
<p>These people are completely out of control.  Of course, if a teacher took a class on a field trip to a petting zoo and the teacher made a Muslim student hold a squealing piglet, the entire school board would have to resign in shame.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here&#039;s the latest example of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/11/MNFG13F1VG.DTL&amp;type=politics&amp;tsp=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; clueless gay liberals at work&lt;/a&gt;.

But remember, gay marriage won&#039;t be taught or supported in public schools and with public funds, especially to very young children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s the latest example of <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/11/MNFG13F1VG.DTL&amp;type=politics&amp;tsp=1" rel="nofollow"> clueless gay liberals at work</a>.</p>
<p>But remember, gay marriage won&#8217;t be taught or supported in public schools and with public funds, especially to very young children.</p>
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		<title>By: Draybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post and its comments are giving me a headache, due no doubt to the confusing nature of voting NO if you support gay marriage and voting YES if you&#039;re opposed to it.  Case in point:

&quot;The ad that I once though was so bad it would do cause swing voters to favor of the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&quot;

First let&#039;s clean that up as GPW never seems to take the time to proofread his own posts.

&quot;The ad that I once thought was so bad it would cause swing voters to favor the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&quot;

See the confusion?  Voters will either favor the initiative or favor gay marriage, not both.  The rest of the post suggests GPW meant to say either &quot;...it would cause swing voters to oppose the initiative...&quot; or &quot;it would cause swing voters to support gay marriage...&quot;.  Several of the comments seem to confuse the two as well.  Thus, I have a headache.

I&#039;m not disagreeing with the arguments in this post.  I&#039;m just suggesting everyone think carefully when writing so as not to appear as if they support one thing when they actually support the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post and its comments are giving me a headache, due no doubt to the confusing nature of voting NO if you support gay marriage and voting YES if you&#8217;re opposed to it.  Case in point:</p>
<p>&#8220;The ad that I once though was so bad it would do cause swing voters to favor of the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>First let&#8217;s clean that up as GPW never seems to take the time to proofread his own posts.</p>
<p>&#8220;The ad that I once thought was so bad it would cause swing voters to favor the initiative seems to have had the opposite effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>See the confusion?  Voters will either favor the initiative or favor gay marriage, not both.  The rest of the post suggests GPW meant to say either &#8220;&#8230;it would cause swing voters to oppose the initiative&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;it would cause swing voters to support gay marriage&#8230;&#8221;.  Several of the comments seem to confuse the two as well.  Thus, I have a headache.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with the arguments in this post.  I&#8217;m just suggesting everyone think carefully when writing so as not to appear as if they support one thing when they actually support the other.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read GWP&#039;s past article on Marriage Equality, as well as this article and the posts.  I must both respectfully agree and disagree on aspects of the subject.

I do believe that court decisions give ammunition against the issue of gay marriage, especially among the religious (conservative or liberal) Americans, a significant portion of whom can talk the talk of their faith but not necessarily walk the walk.  Everytime a court decision comes down, I celebrate like my gransparents must have for Brown v. Education or Loving v. Virginia, but I also cringe at the backlash that may be ahead.  

I&#039;ve only been with my partner for 6 years.  Yes, we&#039;re both male.  But, unlike what I found written in GPW&#039;s past article, I don&#039;t find that there is any difference between our relationship and my parents&#039; other than that we&#039;re both male.  In meeting my partner 4 years ago, my mother was able to not just understand my being gay, but to embrace it to the point that she&#039;s now the first person in her group to respond, &quot;You know, my son is gay&quot; whenever she hears any sort of anti-gay sentiment.

My conversations with both of my parents regarding handling finances, the prospect of becoming parents, resolving arguments have all led me to believe there the only difference between a committed gay or lesbian couple and our heterosexual counterparts is gender.  For that reason, I believe the prospect of spending possibly enormous amounts of money to protect assests, make medical decisions on a partner&#039;s behalf, or to ensure that children will be provided for really does create a system of separate but equal...and we know how well that doctrine turned out here in the South.

It would be great to work in a conservative effort to show people we&#039;re just like everyone else, but I don&#039;t think it should take time to to convince people to do the right thing.

Help from the courts should be sought with caution.  Hopefully the Americans who oppose gay marriage will grow to open themselves to the our stories and experiences, and allow us the same protections the law provides regardless of sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read GWP&#8217;s past article on Marriage Equality, as well as this article and the posts.  I must both respectfully agree and disagree on aspects of the subject.</p>
<p>I do believe that court decisions give ammunition against the issue of gay marriage, especially among the religious (conservative or liberal) Americans, a significant portion of whom can talk the talk of their faith but not necessarily walk the walk.  Everytime a court decision comes down, I celebrate like my gransparents must have for Brown v. Education or Loving v. Virginia, but I also cringe at the backlash that may be ahead.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been with my partner for 6 years.  Yes, we&#8217;re both male.  But, unlike what I found written in GPW&#8217;s past article, I don&#8217;t find that there is any difference between our relationship and my parents&#8217; other than that we&#8217;re both male.  In meeting my partner 4 years ago, my mother was able to not just understand my being gay, but to embrace it to the point that she&#8217;s now the first person in her group to respond, &#8220;You know, my son is gay&#8221; whenever she hears any sort of anti-gay sentiment.</p>
<p>My conversations with both of my parents regarding handling finances, the prospect of becoming parents, resolving arguments have all led me to believe there the only difference between a committed gay or lesbian couple and our heterosexual counterparts is gender.  For that reason, I believe the prospect of spending possibly enormous amounts of money to protect assests, make medical decisions on a partner&#8217;s behalf, or to ensure that children will be provided for really does create a system of separate but equal&#8230;and we know how well that doctrine turned out here in the South.</p>
<p>It would be great to work in a conservative effort to show people we&#8217;re just like everyone else, but I don&#8217;t think it should take time to to convince people to do the right thing.</p>
<p>Help from the courts should be sought with caution.  Hopefully the Americans who oppose gay marriage will grow to open themselves to the our stories and experiences, and allow us the same protections the law provides regardless of sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16: And as NDT has consistently and accurately observed:

&quot;Anti-gay&quot; = Politician who does not support same-sex marriage and when appearing on television has the letter &quot;R&quot; after his/her name.

&quot;Pro-gay&quot; = Politician who does not support same-sex marriage and when appearing on television has the letter &quot;D&quot; after his/her name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16: And as NDT has consistently and accurately observed:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anti-gay&#8221; = Politician who does not support same-sex marriage and when appearing on television has the letter &#8220;R&#8221; after his/her name.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pro-gay&#8221; = Politician who does not support same-sex marriage and when appearing on television has the letter &#8220;D&#8221; after his/her name.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;far right&quot; = anyone who doesnt approve gay marriage

which, of course, means a large percentage of Democrats are &quot;far right.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;far right&#8221; = anyone who doesnt approve gay marriage</p>
<p>which, of course, means a large percentage of Democrats are &#8220;far right.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I&#039;ve seen Casey occasionally for a long time.  But in my experience, Casey&#039;s lingo and points have almost always been to the liberal side, as you&#039;ve picked up on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I&#8217;ve seen Casey occasionally for a long time.  But in my experience, Casey&#8217;s lingo and points have almost always been to the liberal side, as you&#8217;ve picked up on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: &quot;Iâ€™m as conservative as you are, and have taken as much flack for being a Republican, but right now, I read your blog and all I see is an enabler for the far right, and thatâ€™s the last thing we need.&quot;

Casey, I think you&#039;re full of it.  You say you&#039;ve been reading GP and commenting for years, but I had never heard of you until I saw this gem you posted a couple of days ago on a previous Prop. 8 thread (&quot;Could Prop. 8 Win?&quot;):

&quot;Guys, Iâ€™m as concerned about courts going where they shouldnâ€™t as anybody (though, having read the decision and studied the precedents, there really isnâ€™t a principled way the CA court could have done otherwise once the case was brought before them)...&quot;

Hmmmmm......Ruling in favor of gay marriage was the only &quot;principled&quot; thing the Court could do?  Stop nitpicking NoOn8&#039;s campaign like some elite food critic and &quot;get in the game&quot;?  GPW is an &quot;enabler for the right&quot;?

Casey, it&#039;s football season.  Surely you can find some stadium that needs the ASTROTURF you&#039;ve been rolling out on this blog for the past three days.  Hit the road, Lefty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: &#8220;Iâ€™m as conservative as you are, and have taken as much flack for being a Republican, but right now, I read your blog and all I see is an enabler for the far right, and thatâ€™s the last thing we need.&#8221;</p>
<p>Casey, I think you&#8217;re full of it.  You say you&#8217;ve been reading GP and commenting for years, but I had never heard of you until I saw this gem you posted a couple of days ago on a previous Prop. 8 thread (&#8220;Could Prop. 8 Win?&#8221;):</p>
<p>&#8220;Guys, Iâ€™m as concerned about courts going where they shouldnâ€™t as anybody (though, having read the decision and studied the precedents, there really isnâ€™t a principled way the CA court could have done otherwise once the case was brought before them)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmmmm&#8230;&#8230;Ruling in favor of gay marriage was the only &#8220;principled&#8221; thing the Court could do?  Stop nitpicking NoOn8&#8242;s campaign like some elite food critic and &#8220;get in the game&#8221;?  GPW is an &#8220;enabler for the right&#8221;?</p>
<p>Casey, it&#8217;s football season.  Surely you can find some stadium that needs the ASTROTURF you&#8217;ve been rolling out on this blog for the past three days.  Hit the road, Lefty!</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this thread, I have a feeling that more than one person has gotten confused about what Prop 8 is, or which way it cuts.  Just to be sure: Gay marriage is currently the law in California.  Prop 8 would change the law back to straight-only marriage.

So, of course Prop 8 will NOT affect Church tax status or teaching in schools.  Prop 8&#039;s passage takes back to status quo ante bellum (which in California was/is/will be, gay civil unions).  It is *DEFEATING* Prop 8, and keeping gay marriage, that might affect Church tax status or teaching in schools.

Which is why the &quot;No on 8&quot; ad is unbelievably bone-headed, making no sense at all.  When the &quot;No on 8&quot; ad says &quot;Prop 8 will not affect Church tax status... And it will not affect teaching in schools...&quot; they are telling the truth.  That&#039;s the problem.  They&#039;re actually defending Prop 8 at that point - not gay marriage!!!  It is supposed to be an ad defending gay marriage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this thread, I have a feeling that more than one person has gotten confused about what Prop 8 is, or which way it cuts.  Just to be sure: Gay marriage is currently the law in California.  Prop 8 would change the law back to straight-only marriage.</p>
<p>So, of course Prop 8 will NOT affect Church tax status or teaching in schools.  Prop 8&#8242;s passage takes back to status quo ante bellum (which in California was/is/will be, gay civil unions).  It is *DEFEATING* Prop 8, and keeping gay marriage, that might affect Church tax status or teaching in schools.</p>
<p>Which is why the &#8220;No on 8&#8243; ad is unbelievably bone-headed, making no sense at all.  When the &#8220;No on 8&#8243; ad says &#8220;Prop 8 will not affect Church tax status&#8230; And it will not affect teaching in schools&#8230;&#8221; they are telling the truth.  That&#8217;s the problem.  They&#8217;re actually defending Prop 8 at that point &#8211; not gay marriage!!!  It is supposed to be an ad defending gay marriage!</p>
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