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		<title>By: Doug Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this whole situation frightening.  I am from Minnesota.  If you have been following the 6th District here, you probable know of Incumbant Michelle Bachman&#039;s controversial comments about Barack Obama and Congress being investigated for Anti-American views made during an interview with Chris Matthews of Hardball.  He basically set her up with his line of questions.

Joe the Plumber asks Barack a hard question and Barack says something controversial and Joe is investigated.  Chris Matthew asks Michelle Bachman a tough question which she answers and Michelle Bachman is hammered.  Why isn&#039;t Chris Matthews being investigated for having the Audacity to ask a tough, loaded question?

Media Bias?? Me thinks so.

Keep up the good discussions.

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole situation frightening.  I am from Minnesota.  If you have been following the 6th District here, you probable know of Incumbant Michelle Bachman&#8217;s controversial comments about Barack Obama and Congress being investigated for Anti-American views made during an interview with Chris Matthews of Hardball.  He basically set her up with his line of questions.</p>
<p>Joe the Plumber asks Barack a hard question and Barack says something controversial and Joe is investigated.  Chris Matthew asks Michelle Bachman a tough question which she answers and Michelle Bachman is hammered.  Why isn&#8217;t Chris Matthews being investigated for having the Audacity to ask a tough, loaded question?</p>
<p>Media Bias?? Me thinks so.</p>
<p>Keep up the good discussions.</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: ILoveCapitalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILoveCapitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Joe the Plumber really did, was &lt;em&gt;get Obama&#039;s mask to slip&lt;/em&gt;.  He got Obama to reveal his true attitude - elitism; and his true intentions - raising taxes on small business.  That&#039;s the sin.  Left-liberals don&#039;t win nation-wide races, if their true intentions are known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Joe the Plumber really did, was <em>get Obama&#8217;s mask to slip</em>.  He got Obama to reveal his true attitude &#8211; elitism; and his true intentions &#8211; raising taxes on small business.  That&#8217;s the sin.  Left-liberals don&#8217;t win nation-wide races, if their true intentions are known.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme Frost was never attacked by anyone. No one tried to take away his livelihood. No one tried to slander his character. No one did anything other than reveal that his family&#039;s financial circumstance were better than what the Democrat&#039;s had led people to believe. It was germane to the debate at that time, since the Democrats were proposing a massive expansion of a welfare program so that upper-middle class families like the Frosts would have access to it. 

In short, the truth about the Frost family was germane to the issue at hand. 

In Joe the Plumber&#039;s case, he asked a question of the One and the One, in an Unguarded Moment, let his left-wing socialist freak flag fly. Knowing whatever lurked in the background of Joe the Plumber was, and is, irrelevant. The issue was the question he asked and the answer the One gave. 

And Bill O&#039;Reilly was completely out of line to go after Shawn Hornbeck, but 1.) Bill O&#039;Reilly is a complete blowhard and 2.) there was nothing political about it, it was just O&#039;Reilly being an a-hole; not an entire media apparatus sent out to destroy a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme Frost was never attacked by anyone. No one tried to take away his livelihood. No one tried to slander his character. No one did anything other than reveal that his family&#8217;s financial circumstance were better than what the Democrat&#8217;s had led people to believe. It was germane to the debate at that time, since the Democrats were proposing a massive expansion of a welfare program so that upper-middle class families like the Frosts would have access to it. </p>
<p>In short, the truth about the Frost family was germane to the issue at hand. </p>
<p>In Joe the Plumber&#8217;s case, he asked a question of the One and the One, in an Unguarded Moment, let his left-wing socialist freak flag fly. Knowing whatever lurked in the background of Joe the Plumber was, and is, irrelevant. The issue was the question he asked and the answer the One gave. </p>
<p>And Bill O&#8217;Reilly was completely out of line to go after Shawn Hornbeck, but 1.) Bill O&#8217;Reilly is a complete blowhard and 2.) there was nothing political about it, it was just O&#8217;Reilly being an a-hole; not an entire media apparatus sent out to destroy a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 - &quot;Why does the Democrat Party hate poor black people and insist that they should be taxed to pay for healthcare for wealthy whites with their own houses, businesses, and expensive cars?&quot;

Because, ND30, that is exactly what the DNC platform is all about - keeping their constituencies under their collective thumb and (in the parlance of some old Southerners):  &quot;keeping them in their place.&quot;

In other words, the DNC doesn&#039;t want any uppity blacks or other minorities to upset the apple cart.  To them, they are the &quot;house niggers.&quot;

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 &#8211; &#8220;Why does the Democrat Party hate poor black people and insist that they should be taxed to pay for healthcare for wealthy whites with their own houses, businesses, and expensive cars?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because, ND30, that is exactly what the DNC platform is all about &#8211; keeping their constituencies under their collective thumb and (in the parlance of some old Southerners):  &#8220;keeping them in their place.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, the DNC doesn&#8217;t want any uppity blacks or other minorities to upset the apple cart.  To them, they are the &#8220;house niggers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, what the Frost child did was point out nicely what the leftist Democrat Party believes, which is that rich white children should have their healthcare paid for by a tax on tobacco that, according to Democrats&#039; own rhetoric prior, disporportionately affects the poor and minorities.

Why does the Democrat Party hate poor black people and insist that they should be taxed to pay for healthcare for wealthy whites with their own houses, businesses, and expensive cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, what the Frost child did was point out nicely what the leftist Democrat Party believes, which is that rich white children should have their healthcare paid for by a tax on tobacco that, according to Democrats&#8217; own rhetoric prior, disporportionately affects the poor and minorities.</p>
<p>Why does the Democrat Party hate poor black people and insist that they should be taxed to pay for healthcare for wealthy whites with their own houses, businesses, and expensive cars?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Joe the Plumber did not at all plan pre-meditated character assassination on The SnObama.  He was merely playing football in his front yard with his son when He Who Shall Not Be Named was strolling through his neighborhood with the salivating MSM in tow.

Second, all he merely did was ask the question &quot;will your plan tax me more?&quot;  The Snob, in his infinitestimal wisdom, let the mask slip and showed his Commie colors (red, I believe).

Then the DNC communications staff (aka the Drive-By Media) started a hatchet job when it came to the public&#039;s attention that The Snob&#039;s policy had (gasp!) been questioned by a commoner, who (if you believe the Snob&#039;s sympathizers in North Korea, Cuba and China) should know better.

Unlike Graham Frost, who was a willing pawn in the national debate over health care and had his stage-parents push him forward, Joe the Plumber was, in fact, minding his own business - something the DNC believes should not be left to the public&#039;s own devices.  Steyn was right: if you send a boy to do a man&#039;s job, you attack the boy.  Joe is a man who was not sent to do anything at all.

Finally, if anything else is evident in this past week&#039;s coverage, it is the fact that the Dhimmicrats do not - I repeat, DO NOT - care about the &quot;average&quot; American.  They are now the party of elites - which is also evident in the SnObamas&#039; room service tab at the Waldorf Astoria.  (Iranian caviar? Ugh.  Nouveau riche, indeed.)

That is why the polls are tightening.
That is why The Snob&#039;s lead has been cut by a third (check Zogby and Rasmussen if you don&#039;t believe me).
That is why Ohio is now in play - as well as Florida, Pennsylvania and West Viriginia.

We are all Joe the Plumber.  And we&#039;ve had enough of the American-hating DNC.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Joe the Plumber did not at all plan pre-meditated character assassination on The SnObama.  He was merely playing football in his front yard with his son when He Who Shall Not Be Named was strolling through his neighborhood with the salivating MSM in tow.</p>
<p>Second, all he merely did was ask the question &#8220;will your plan tax me more?&#8221;  The Snob, in his infinitestimal wisdom, let the mask slip and showed his Commie colors (red, I believe).</p>
<p>Then the DNC communications staff (aka the Drive-By Media) started a hatchet job when it came to the public&#8217;s attention that The Snob&#8217;s policy had (gasp!) been questioned by a commoner, who (if you believe the Snob&#8217;s sympathizers in North Korea, Cuba and China) should know better.</p>
<p>Unlike Graham Frost, who was a willing pawn in the national debate over health care and had his stage-parents push him forward, Joe the Plumber was, in fact, minding his own business &#8211; something the DNC believes should not be left to the public&#8217;s own devices.  Steyn was right: if you send a boy to do a man&#8217;s job, you attack the boy.  Joe is a man who was not sent to do anything at all.</p>
<p>Finally, if anything else is evident in this past week&#8217;s coverage, it is the fact that the Dhimmicrats do not &#8211; I repeat, DO NOT &#8211; care about the &#8220;average&#8221; American.  They are now the party of elites &#8211; which is also evident in the SnObamas&#8217; room service tab at the Waldorf Astoria.  (Iranian caviar? Ugh.  Nouveau riche, indeed.)</p>
<p>That is why the polls are tightening.<br />
That is why The Snob&#8217;s lead has been cut by a third (check Zogby and Rasmussen if you don&#8217;t believe me).<br />
That is why Ohio is now in play &#8211; as well as Florida, Pennsylvania and West Viriginia.</p>
<p>We are all Joe the Plumber.  And we&#8217;ve had enough of the American-hating DNC.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so he&#039;s an undocumented plumber? I guess the only time it&#039;s okay to be undocumented is when you&#039;re illegally trespassing in our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so he&#8217;s an undocumented plumber? I guess the only time it&#8217;s okay to be undocumented is when you&#8217;re illegally trespassing in our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious, in all fairness what was your response when Michelle Malkin and the rest of the right wing crowd went after  12 year old Graham Frost after he spoke on SCHIP? How decent was it to attack a 12 year old child? 

Or how about Bill O&#039;Rielly when he went after Shawn Hornbeck who had been kidnapped and molested for years? I am curious to know what does that say about the right? Was that character assassination or just politics. Joe is a grown man, these were children does that make it OK?

[&lt;em&gt;Attack a 12-year-old?  Hardly.

First, unlike Joe the Plumber who was approached by the &quot;opposition,&quot; the Democrats put Frost forward.  As Mark Steyn put it, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzgyZWFiOTkxMTJiMTBlMGNkYTgyOTViZGIxNjQ0YjY=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If a political party is desperate enough to send a boy to do a manâ€™s job, then the boy is fair game&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;  Not just that, pretty much all conservatives pointed out was that his family sent him to an expensive private school which is kind of relevant when he is backing a program which would give him more government money.  Oh, and they looked into his &lt;/em&gt;family&lt;em&gt;&#039;s real estate holding.  That&#039;s not attacking him, but looking into the wealth of his family, the people who alerted their son to the DNC.  If anyone should take a hit for making a kid a public figure in this case, it&#039;s the Democrats who brought him forward, not conservatives who made an issue of his family&#039;s finances.  --Dan&lt;/em&gt;]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious, in all fairness what was your response when Michelle Malkin and the rest of the right wing crowd went after  12 year old Graham Frost after he spoke on SCHIP? How decent was it to attack a 12 year old child? </p>
<p>Or how about Bill O&#8217;Rielly when he went after Shawn Hornbeck who had been kidnapped and molested for years? I am curious to know what does that say about the right? Was that character assassination or just politics. Joe is a grown man, these were children does that make it OK?</p>
<p>[<em>Attack a 12-year-old?  Hardly.</p>
<p>First, unlike Joe the Plumber who was approached by the "opposition," the Democrats put Frost forward.  As Mark Steyn put it, "<a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzgyZWFiOTkxMTJiMTBlMGNkYTgyOTViZGIxNjQ0YjY=" rel="nofollow">If a political party is desperate enough to send a boy to do a manâ€™s job, then the boy is fair game</a>."  Not just that, pretty much all conservatives pointed out was that his family sent him to an expensive private school which is kind of relevant when he is backing a program which would give him more government money.  Oh, and they looked into his </em>family<em>'s real estate holding.  That's not attacking him, but looking into the wealth of his family, the people who alerted their son to the DNC.  If anyone should take a hit for making a kid a public figure in this case, it's the Democrats who brought him forward, not conservatives who made an issue of his family's finances.  --Dan</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He works for a licensed plumber, and therefore, does not need one himself, as I understand it. However, if he buys the business, he will. This is how a Buckeye explained it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He works for a licensed plumber, and therefore, does not need one himself, as I understand it. However, if he buys the business, he will. This is how a Buckeye explained it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalRobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCalRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe committed a blasphemy and Barry&#039;s &lt;em&gt;followers&lt;/em&gt; are gathering the wood needed to burn the heretic.

Liberalism is a religion and has more than its share of fundamentalist kooks.

#4: V, I don&#039;t think Joe needs a license to perform residential plumbing work in Ohio. I wonder what some of these drive-bys would think about licensure for journalists. Or presidential candidates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe committed a blasphemy and Barry&#8217;s <em>followers</em> are gathering the wood needed to burn the heretic.</p>
<p>Liberalism is a religion and has more than its share of fundamentalist kooks.</p>
<p>#4: V, I don&#8217;t think Joe needs a license to perform residential plumbing work in Ohio. I wonder what some of these drive-bys would think about licensure for journalists. Or presidential candidates?</p>
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		<title>By: 49erDweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>49erDweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, that we once more could find ethical &quot;journalists&quot; scattered amongst our media outlets, rather than the current spate of talking heads spewing forth &quot;essential issues&quot; they think their master from Illinois desires covered.  Too few, too silent, too enslaved, almost too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that we once more could find ethical &#8220;journalists&#8221; scattered amongst our media outlets, rather than the current spate of talking heads spewing forth &#8220;essential issues&#8221; they think their master from Illinois desires covered.  Too few, too silent, too enslaved, almost too late.</p>
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		<title>By: what if?</title>
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		<dc:creator>what if?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Hammering The Plumber...&lt;/strong&gt;

Rather than discussing - in a civil manner - the issues. Dan Blatt, Gay Patriot West, has the details. In â€œtheir rabid character assassinationâ€ as Ed Morrissey puts it, of Joe the Plumber, â€œa man who did nothing more than......</description>
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<p>Rather than discussing &#8211; in a civil manner &#8211; the issues. Dan Blatt, Gay Patriot West, has the details. In â€œtheir rabid character assassinationâ€ as Ed Morrissey puts it, of Joe the Plumber, â€œa man who did nothing more than&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s socialistic that a person even needs a license from the state to work as a plumber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s socialistic that a person even needs a license from the state to work as a plumber.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBAMA + DEM CONG = USA RIP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA + DEM CONG = USA RIP</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
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		<description>You might say that Joe the plumber is being penalized for practicing politics without being properly vetted or without the necessary license.  How dare he question anointed One!

And, meanwhile we all know that Iraq can conduct a better election with less voter fraud than we can in the United States.  I will forever remember those Iraqis that went to vote and put their thumb in an ink well, knowing that there those in Iraq might murder them for voting and having that inked thumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might say that Joe the plumber is being penalized for practicing politics without being properly vetted or without the necessary license.  How dare he question anointed One!</p>
<p>And, meanwhile we all know that Iraq can conduct a better election with less voter fraud than we can in the United States.  I will forever remember those Iraqis that went to vote and put their thumb in an ink well, knowing that there those in Iraq might murder them for voting and having that inked thumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sunday talking heads will appear tomorrow.  I wonder if they will bring up the unsavory nature of the attacks on Joe the plumber or even the honest response that Joe received from Obama that OBAMA believes in &quot;spreading the wealth&quot; through federal taxation and programs.  You have to love it when Obama says that he is going to give 95% of the voters a tax cut, but raise the taxes on the other 5% ............... it is blatant pandering.  And, yes, I will be not be in that 5% that will be penalized for earning too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sunday talking heads will appear tomorrow.  I wonder if they will bring up the unsavory nature of the attacks on Joe the plumber or even the honest response that Joe received from Obama that OBAMA believes in &#8220;spreading the wealth&#8221; through federal taxation and programs.  You have to love it when Obama says that he is going to give 95% of the voters a tax cut, but raise the taxes on the other 5% &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; it is blatant pandering.  And, yes, I will be not be in that 5% that will be penalized for earning too much.</p>
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