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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324908</link>
		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty,

Those events are central to the straight community. Nobody even knows about them. Folsom and gay pride are the biggest gay events there are, and everyone knows about them. All the gay publications talk about them. Yet none denounce. 

Not a good comparison.

By the way, i said that in a different thread
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty,</p>
<p>Those events are central to the straight community. Nobody even knows about them. Folsom and gay pride are the biggest gay events there are, and everyone knows about them. All the gay publications talk about them. Yet none denounce. </p>
<p>Not a good comparison.</p>
<p>By the way, i said that in a different thread</p>
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		<title>By: rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324839</link>
		<dc:creator>rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shatner&#039;s comments may be viewed as an attack, or rather a comment that doesn&#039;t show support.  Shatner&#039;s response was rather a exclamation of surprise, rather than one of support.  Shatner&#039;s &#039;indifference&#039; could possibly reflect his surprise of Takei&#039;s announcement where some might have thought a more thoughtful expression of positive acknowledgement would have been &#039;kewl&#039;.  

But my primary point is that when people are considering &#039;coming out&#039;,
they always are leary of how those around them are going to react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shatner&#8217;s comments may be viewed as an attack, or rather a comment that doesn&#8217;t show support.  Shatner&#8217;s response was rather a exclamation of surprise, rather than one of support.  Shatner&#8217;s &#8216;indifference&#8217; could possibly reflect his surprise of Takei&#8217;s announcement where some might have thought a more thoughtful expression of positive acknowledgement would have been &#8216;kewl&#8217;.  </p>
<p>But my primary point is that when people are considering &#8216;coming out&#8217;,<br />
they always are leary of how those around them are going to react.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324838</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You never answered how Shatner&#039;s remark constituted an &quot;attack.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You never answered how Shatner&#8217;s remark constituted an &#8220;attack.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324820</link>
		<dc:creator>rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V the K, your comment isn&#039;t off topic, but actually may shed more light on the issue of gay folk and gay marriage.  From my reading of the Shatner/Takei article, Shatner felt that he really didn&#039;t know &#039;Takei&#039; during the Star Trek years.  Coming out later in life, Takei took some folk by surprise, and Shatner responded &#039;Ok be Gay&#039;. 

These &#039;coming out&#039; revelations to friends and family are often shocking, not due to the issue of homosexuality but rather that friends and family often feel &#039;left out&#039;, some even betrayed with the &#039;news&#039;.  Coming out is a long hard process.  and for some folk acceptance of homosexuality isn&#039;t the true issue, it is more likely the issue of trust.  

And with gay marriage, many folk are uncertain with the idea.  Uncertainity breeds confusion, denial, defiance and even higher emotions of anger and distrust.  

As the walls of the institutional bias created by heterosexism and internalized homophobia continue to crumble and more and more folk become &#039;acguainted with gay folk&#039; life will become easier.  

As far as American Elephant&#039;s comment about the LGBT community denouncing events like Folsom, and even audacious Pride events, please remember that there are lots of non-family events out there in the hetero community that don&#039;t really line up in the &#039;family events&#039; sections of community papers and aren&#039;t denounced by the greater community.  People just don&#039;t go.  Think about those crazy music concerts.  

Most of my most conservative, religious friends hug me with great enthusiasm, because they are hugging me, and not the gay community. 
But these same folk have a different idea of the gay community because of me, my partner and the friends that I have.  I am an out gay man, but not because of the rainbow flag or the HRC equality sticker.  I live my life with pride and honor, not in the shadows of a closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V the K, your comment isn&#8217;t off topic, but actually may shed more light on the issue of gay folk and gay marriage.  From my reading of the Shatner/Takei article, Shatner felt that he really didn&#8217;t know &#8216;Takei&#8217; during the Star Trek years.  Coming out later in life, Takei took some folk by surprise, and Shatner responded &#8216;Ok be Gay&#8217;. </p>
<p>These &#8216;coming out&#8217; revelations to friends and family are often shocking, not due to the issue of homosexuality but rather that friends and family often feel &#8216;left out&#8217;, some even betrayed with the &#8216;news&#8217;.  Coming out is a long hard process.  and for some folk acceptance of homosexuality isn&#8217;t the true issue, it is more likely the issue of trust.  </p>
<p>And with gay marriage, many folk are uncertain with the idea.  Uncertainity breeds confusion, denial, defiance and even higher emotions of anger and distrust.  </p>
<p>As the walls of the institutional bias created by heterosexism and internalized homophobia continue to crumble and more and more folk become &#8216;acguainted with gay folk&#8217; life will become easier.  </p>
<p>As far as American Elephant&#8217;s comment about the LGBT community denouncing events like Folsom, and even audacious Pride events, please remember that there are lots of non-family events out there in the hetero community that don&#8217;t really line up in the &#8216;family events&#8217; sections of community papers and aren&#8217;t denounced by the greater community.  People just don&#8217;t go.  Think about those crazy music concerts.  </p>
<p>Most of my most conservative, religious friends hug me with great enthusiasm, because they are hugging me, and not the gay community.<br />
But these same folk have a different idea of the gay community because of me, my partner and the friends that I have.  I am an out gay man, but not because of the rainbow flag or the HRC equality sticker.  I live my life with pride and honor, not in the shadows of a closet.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324799</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if this is off-topic, but I am unenlightened and need someone more sensitive to explain this quote (from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comcast.net/articles/tv/20081022/People.William.Shatner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;) to me: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;(William Shatner) also attacked (George) Takei&#039;s decision to come out of the closet later in life, saying &quot;Who cares? Be gay. Don&#039;t be gay. That&#039;s up to you, George.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How exactly is that statement an &quot;attack?&quot; I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if this is off-topic, but I am unenlightened and need someone more sensitive to explain this quote (from <a href="http://www.comcast.net/articles/tv/20081022/People.William.Shatner/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>) to me: </p>
<blockquote><p>(William Shatner) also attacked (George) Takei&#8217;s decision to come out of the closet later in life, saying &#8220;Who cares? Be gay. Don&#8217;t be gay. That&#8217;s up to you, George.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>How exactly is that statement an &#8220;attack?&#8221; I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324677</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it becomes increasingly difficult to oppose gay marriage as gays &#039;come out&#039; become ordinary.

Marriage is the bedrock of our civilization.  We no longer live on the land, and we tend to become unmoored from our families.  Marriage has therefore become less about property and more about friendship between two people.  

Children are, however, at the centre of marriage still, and represent one generation&#039;s stake in the succeeding generation.   This is why I am coming to the conclusion that marriage should INCLUDE the presence of children (either adopted, as in the case of Roger L Simon&#039;s son and partner), or as a pregnancy (as in the Todd and Sarah Palin marriage).  

The stability and health you talk of is because of the taking on of the responsibility of children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it becomes increasingly difficult to oppose gay marriage as gays &#8216;come out&#8217; become ordinary.</p>
<p>Marriage is the bedrock of our civilization.  We no longer live on the land, and we tend to become unmoored from our families.  Marriage has therefore become less about property and more about friendship between two people.  </p>
<p>Children are, however, at the centre of marriage still, and represent one generation&#8217;s stake in the succeeding generation.   This is why I am coming to the conclusion that marriage should INCLUDE the presence of children (either adopted, as in the case of Roger L Simon&#8217;s son and partner), or as a pregnancy (as in the Todd and Sarah Palin marriage).  </p>
<p>The stability and health you talk of is because of the taking on of the responsibility of children.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2

Maybe if you did a Vlog from Parliament House.....</description>
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<p>Maybe if you did a Vlog from Parliament House&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324619</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a way to make your uncle feel good--tell him he&#039;s not popular enough for Bill O&#039;Reilly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a way to make your uncle feel good&#8211;tell him he&#8217;s not popular enough for Bill O&#8217;Reilly!</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Blatt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/22/gay-marriage-good-for-your-health/comment-page-1/#comment-324617</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Blatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill O&#039;Reilly would jump on you for this post if you were popular enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill O&#8217;Reilly would jump on you for this post if you were popular enough.</p>
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