Mob mentality is not a good thing; “majority rules” is mob mentality

“Don’t take refuge is the false security of consensus”

Every public policy legislation enacted ought to be upholding the Constitutional freedom of the individual to make a personal choice toward life & pursuit of happiness, regardless of whether or not someone has dislike or distaste for another’s behavior; if it’s not infringing on your freedom to act in your own self-interest, then it’s okay

Morals and Values are subjective and are derived from various sources to each person

Implying that they come from a god or religion, inherently discriminates against those who hold no such perspective about a god or a religion

Further, it starts to deem ownership to a “majority” religious viewpoint and our First Amendment protects the individual from the mob in this situation

ALL AMERICANS, regardless of party or religion, should be voting NO on these types of amendments in order to uphold the Constitution and individual freedom not engage in discriminatory behavior. Further, do not make a lightning rod for your own backs, if and when “majority” ideology comes after your behaviors and viewpoints at some future date

To whom or what will you turn when you have set forth a precedent of infringing on others civil liberties because your personal subjective philosophy of deriving values & morals infringed on others in the past

Have we not learned this lesson in our history already?

When 8 passes, I’m hoping lesson to be learned as that the gay community has a lot more educating to do, not demonizing.
I’ll keep you posted, I’m friends with the head of PFLAG here in LA. (never in a million years would I join that liberal, Chirstian hating organization, and I’m not Christian).
Early on she told me I have to convince everyone to vote no on 8. I told her I will vote no, but I have too much respect for the other side that I will convince no on else to change their mind.
Later she came back and said, tell people who are unsure simply not to vote. I thought that was a much healthier attitude, but judging by the latest ads, that approach was also rejected.

I must say I was very impressed the other day when another strong No on 8 person came out against destroying yard signs of the Yes on 8 people. She said something that really made me respect her – we have free speech in this country. What a breath of fresh air.

Doing so allows churches to decide whom they will marry and how to define marriage for their congregation.

Other churches that embrace gay marriage will continue to do so.

Those that want a secular ceremony can appoint any person of their choice to facilitate.

No symbolic ceremony will be considered legal.

Instead, legal contracts will take the place of such, thereby eliminating all discrimination; eliminating all issues of “slippery slope marrying your goat” arguments; eliminates defining marriage and imposing discrimination into the Constitution (should be removed); eliminate all tax credits.

This will allow private companies to decide how they wish to extend benefits.

Government will allow individuals to purchase their own insurance outside of their government job and will be allotted a stipend by which to do so.

Social Security death benefits go to whomever the legal contract has dedicated inheritance; it cares nothing of gender or relationship.

Other issues would be decided upon based on the most objective and gender blind solutions.

name calling just spells out ‘bully’ or even yet ‘insecure’. valuing differing points of view is truly a sign of intelligence and compassion. triats of one of the true activists that I admire, Jesus.

some of the folk who have shared conversations over this topic have expressed the concerns of folk over the trampling of static, long-held views and traditions. mind you I love traditions, but traditional views change. for example in my short lifetime of 45 years, men have moved from role of primary bread winner to primary home/caregiver. women hold down jobs, family, partner and home. women are taking up the lead both at the pulpit and even are headed to the big ol’ White House.

I believe that it is through the interconnected relationships of the big L (liberal folk) and the Big c (conservative) folk that make this country work. Checks and balances. Something that the great forefathers worked so very hard to embed into the Fabric of our nation. And the whole thing works because of folk like Dan, Leah and others here at gay patriot who are open for healthy discussion and dialogue, sans the back biting and the name calling.

We all come from different places, have different experiences and our outlooks on life are constantly shaped by our interactions.

With prop 8, although it may have not been timely or probably not the most productive, it has pushed the envelope. whether it passes or not, it has brought the Pink Elephant out to the middle of the room and has made people come to think about something that would have been put back, into a corner. I am sorry that some feel rushed and I know that accepting change is hard, but that is all part of the process.

And all I have to say, it is for young folk like Yishai, that I would like to have a future of promise, hope and wonder.

So, should it pass, what does that say about your fellow travelers on the left?

It the courts had left marriage in the political arena, these amendments wouldn’t have been offered.

Can anyone be surprised that citizens will react when some guy in a robe somewhere overturns centuries of law and tradition?

For as long as humans have recorded their history, we have defined marriage, to paraphrase Rick Warren, as a contract between a man and a woman. …

That could be very wrong. It may be what the white washed version of history admits to.

Lest we forget, jimmy and his fellow gay Democrats have no problem with constitutional amendments banning gay marriage when their fellow Democrats support and endorse them; in fact, they claim that said Democrats are “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.

Aside from that bit of hypocrisy, people know that liberal gays like jimmy are antireligious bigots who hate and loathe anyone who dares to publicly express their faith and intends to sue them out of existence. They also know that liberal gays like jimmy believe it’s an “educational experience” to dress children up as sexual slaves and take them to places like the Folsom Street Fair to “show off”.

In short, perhaps if gay liberals like jimmy didn’t use their sexual orientation as an excuse for their antisocial behavior, people wouldn’t believe that being gay automatically makes you a perverted lawsuit-happy bigot.

For as long as humans have recorded their history, we have defined marriage, to paraphrase Rick Warren, as a contract between a man and a woman.

I’ve made this argument twice on here before but here I go again: For as long as humans have recorded their history, we have had prostitution and slavery. I could probably even put polygamy and polytheism on the list as well.

The difference between opposite sex and same sex relationships can’t be easily explained unless one has been in both. But I wouldn’t trust a heterosexual person to educate me on a same sex relationship just like I wouldn’t trust a homosexual to be an expert on a heterosexual relationship.