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	<title>Comments on: The Change we Really Need, not the Change Obama Offers</title>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What scares me so much about Obama is his claim that he will &quot;Change the world&quot;. I think he&#039;s a megalomaniac whose ego has grown with media attention and celebrity fawning. What sort of nut job would claim that he would change the world. Honestly, this is scary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What scares me so much about Obama is his claim that he will &#8220;Change the world&#8221;. I think he&#8217;s a megalomaniac whose ego has grown with media attention and celebrity fawning. What sort of nut job would claim that he would change the world. Honestly, this is scary!</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;itâ€™s the Supreme Courtâ€™s further drift to the Far Right under a McCain administration (or, Heaven forbid, a PALIN administration) that concerns me the most.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Translation: Actually FOLLOWING the Constitution = &quot;drifting to the Far Right&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>itâ€™s the Supreme Courtâ€™s further drift to the Far Right under a McCain administration (or, Heaven forbid, a PALIN administration) that concerns me the most.</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation: Actually FOLLOWING the Constitution = &#8220;drifting to the Far Right&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>errr...make that,  &quot;Without national security you &lt;b&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; have economic opportunity nor social equality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>errr&#8230;make that,  &#8220;Without national security you <b>can&#8217;t</b> have economic opportunity nor social equality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/03/the-change-we-really-need-not-the-change-obama-offers/comment-page-1/#comment-328382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted B.  (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without real, meaningful national security you can have economic opportunity nor social equality.  And economic opportunity requires rewards for investment, innovation and risk-taking.  So that&#039;s two strikes against Obama bin Biden....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without real, meaningful national security you can have economic opportunity nor social equality.  And economic opportunity requires rewards for investment, innovation and risk-taking.  So that&#8217;s two strikes against Obama bin Biden&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in total agreement with V the K, SS marriage is less important national security.  What will Obama do to our defense structure?  Will he grossly underfund the Department of Defense by 25%?  My other great concern about Obama is his idea of redistributive rights that are no where in our constitution.  He continues to campaign on the promise to give 95% of us taxcuts while only 50% of the people now pay any income tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in total agreement with V the K, SS marriage is less important national security.  What will Obama do to our defense structure?  Will he grossly underfund the Department of Defense by 25%?  My other great concern about Obama is his idea of redistributive rights that are no where in our constitution.  He continues to campaign on the promise to give 95% of us taxcuts while only 50% of the people now pay any income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;We can&#039;t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we&#039;re living in the desert or we&#039;re living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world&#039;s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we&#039;ll be fine.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It sounds to me like the change Obama favors involves a rather substantial lowering of the American standard of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;We can&#8217;t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we&#8217;re living in the desert or we&#8217;re living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world&#8217;s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we&#8217;ll be fine.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It sounds to me like the change Obama favors involves a rather substantial lowering of the American standard of living.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, have you read the 10th Amendment recently?  You&#039;re implying that rather than utilizing the amendment process that your opponents support, you&#039;d rather circumvent the people and have the Supreme Court legislate what is a state jurisdiction.  Your solution is to stack the court with those sympathetic to your cause, despite your recognition that it would be unconstitutional were the court to make such a decision.    

Marriage is not an individual right.  It is a social contract that must prove a benefit to the society as contractual grantor.  There is nothing preventing you from engaging in a private ceremony declaring your commitment; the state will not make your relationship more committed and more loving,  nor will the absence of state validaton detract from it nor of any indirect communal benefit.  

The essential question is: Are there certain unique qualities specific to a traditional heterosexual marriage that should be legally upheld as an ideal, thereby performing an irreplaceable service to the social goal of stability separate from other types of relationships?  I say yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, have you read the 10th Amendment recently?  You&#8217;re implying that rather than utilizing the amendment process that your opponents support, you&#8217;d rather circumvent the people and have the Supreme Court legislate what is a state jurisdiction.  Your solution is to stack the court with those sympathetic to your cause, despite your recognition that it would be unconstitutional were the court to make such a decision.    </p>
<p>Marriage is not an individual right.  It is a social contract that must prove a benefit to the society as contractual grantor.  There is nothing preventing you from engaging in a private ceremony declaring your commitment; the state will not make your relationship more committed and more loving,  nor will the absence of state validaton detract from it nor of any indirect communal benefit.  </p>
<p>The essential question is: Are there certain unique qualities specific to a traditional heterosexual marriage that should be legally upheld as an ideal, thereby performing an irreplaceable service to the social goal of stability separate from other types of relationships?  I say yes.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SS Marriage is much less important to me than national security, economic recovery, and other issues that affect all Americans, not just a 4% minority. Forgive my selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS Marriage is much less important to me than national security, economic recovery, and other issues that affect all Americans, not just a 4% minority. Forgive my selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Anziulewicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Anziulewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that I think Barack Obama would necessarily make a FANTASTIC President, nor do I think John McCain would make a particularly HORRIBLE President. After all, a Presidency is for only four years. On the other hand, a Supreme Court appointment is for LIFE, and it&#039;s the Supreme Court&#039;s further drift to the Far Right under a McCain administration (or, Heaven forbid, a PALIN administration) that concerns me the most.

The gigantic elephant in the room that everyone would prefer not to discuss is the future of full inclusion, including marriage equality, for LGBT Americans. The Religious Right knows this; for them, making marriage off-limits to Gay Americans once and for all is the most important thing in the world right now. The fact that Sarah Palin favors an amendment that would forever ERASE Gay couples from the Constitution is reason enough for me to despise her. As for those like John McCain who believe that the issue of marriage is best left up to the states, itâ€™s important to remember that the federal government has a vested interest in married couples for the purposes of income taxes and Social Security benefits. From the fedâ€™s point of view, it wouldnâ€™t do for a couple to be considered married in one state, then magically â€œUN-marriedâ€ once they decide to move somewhere else.

The fact remains that the term â€œmarriageâ€ does not occur in the Constitution of the United States. There is technically no â€œrightâ€ for any couple, Gay or Straight, to get married, at least from the federal governmentâ€™s standpoint. And that is why, ultimately, the Supreme Court will have to address the issue of what constitutes a marriage, much as Iâ€™m sure they would prefer NOT to. All the more reason why Barack Obama must be the one making the next few SCOTUS nominations. Itâ€™s an issue that cuts straight to my heart as a Gay American. And I&#039;m surprised it doesn&#039;t seem quite so important to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that I think Barack Obama would necessarily make a FANTASTIC President, nor do I think John McCain would make a particularly HORRIBLE President. After all, a Presidency is for only four years. On the other hand, a Supreme Court appointment is for LIFE, and it&#8217;s the Supreme Court&#8217;s further drift to the Far Right under a McCain administration (or, Heaven forbid, a PALIN administration) that concerns me the most.</p>
<p>The gigantic elephant in the room that everyone would prefer not to discuss is the future of full inclusion, including marriage equality, for LGBT Americans. The Religious Right knows this; for them, making marriage off-limits to Gay Americans once and for all is the most important thing in the world right now. The fact that Sarah Palin favors an amendment that would forever ERASE Gay couples from the Constitution is reason enough for me to despise her. As for those like John McCain who believe that the issue of marriage is best left up to the states, itâ€™s important to remember that the federal government has a vested interest in married couples for the purposes of income taxes and Social Security benefits. From the fedâ€™s point of view, it wouldnâ€™t do for a couple to be considered married in one state, then magically â€œUN-marriedâ€ once they decide to move somewhere else.</p>
<p>The fact remains that the term â€œmarriageâ€ does not occur in the Constitution of the United States. There is technically no â€œrightâ€ for any couple, Gay or Straight, to get married, at least from the federal governmentâ€™s standpoint. And that is why, ultimately, the Supreme Court will have to address the issue of what constitutes a marriage, much as Iâ€™m sure they would prefer NOT to. All the more reason why Barack Obama must be the one making the next few SCOTUS nominations. Itâ€™s an issue that cuts straight to my heart as a Gay American. And I&#8217;m surprised it doesn&#8217;t seem quite so important to you.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Last week in Columbia, Missouri, Barack Obama said, â€œwe are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,â€œ&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And what is so wrong with America that it requires change? Nothing. America is fine, it&#039;s Washington that needs reform. And damn McCain to Hell for not making this distinction the focal point of his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Last week in Columbia, Missouri, Barack Obama said, â€œwe are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,â€œ</p></blockquote>
<p>And what is so wrong with America that it requires change? Nothing. America is fine, it&#8217;s Washington that needs reform. And damn McCain to Hell for not making this distinction the focal point of his campaign.</p>
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