The plea for grownups continues. So, I join Michelle Malkin in asking, “Who will quell the anti-Prop. 8 rage?”
It looks like it won’t be the heads of the national gay organizations nor even those in the Golden State. Maybe the president-elect?
I just returned from running an errand where I caught sight of a flyer urging people to join a “No on Prop 8 Protest” to “Fight the H8.” Are these people so inured to the mantra of gay activists that all those who don’t support their goals do so because they hate gay people that they can’t see the hatred within their own ranks?
To be sure, many of those rallying have avoided angry rhetoric and are only (primarily?) expressing their frustration at the outcome of last week’s vote. Yet, the rhetoric (and the signs) of a large number of the participants shows them to be expressing the same sort of hatred they supposedly decry.
They have become the haters. Such individuals aren’t the leaders we need to promote real and lasting social change.
Yes, of course they are!
Don’t you understand, GPW? Left-wingers base their entire worldview on the assumption that they are a better breed of human being.
This is just going to get uglier and uglier…just like any playground feud between established cliques. Fanatics on both sides are now combing the incomplete and inaccurate donors lists on both sides to single-out individuals and businesses for pickets, boycotts; and blacklisting those who acted on-conscience. It’s a pity all that energy didn’t get put to a more constructive-use BEFORE the polls opened.
While I don’t think anyone’s stupid-enough to torch a church or LDS temple….yet. I do fear this will escalate until one or two businesses are burned-out and/or people start getting killed. We’ve seen the results of viral-based protests in the former-Soviet Republics, and the rumors are spreading faster than truth-based facts. All it will take is one over-reacting policeman or shop-owner, or a mislaid candle….
You can’t tell people not to protest. You’re welcome to argue that marriage is a “privilege,” as you have done in this space without regard to past legal precedent. But our ability to challenge that belief in the streets, in demonstrations and rally’s, is our right.
America is entering a period of increased social activism. The crowds of people Obama inspired all across this country are not going to just vanish back into society. Protests, on a variety of issues, will be the norm for the foreseeable future. These are the times we live in. It’s going to be a time of unrest.
The silver lining is that the next time I’m called a self-loathing homosexual I’ll be able to point to some true examples. These people have no lives and their identities and their sexual orientation(s) are one and the same; they are professional homosexuals whose life purpose is the next legal hurdle to be crossed, the next cultural icon to be smashed. They are stunted, short-ranged nihilists intent on destroying institutions in which others place value because they have not yet accepted their sexuality and moved on.
I for one refuse to accept that a homosexual is invalidated if the state, by vote of the majority, affirms the heterosexual. Unlike these protesters, I actually like being gay.
Hooray! It’s the sixties all over again!!!!
If you’re going to relish the protests and uprisings and all, I guess you should relish the violence and assassinations that go along with it. They go hand in hand.
Careful what you wish for, you just might get it!!!
Ignatius, I couldn’t have said it better.
Careful there. You don’t want a visit from the Secret Service. That’s close to being a threat of violence against the President-Elect.
I KNEW you would say that 🙂
And besides, that is the hallmark response from the oppressive Bush administration. Obama is the candidate for change. I can write what i want without looking over my shoulder….. shit, there’s a knock on the doo
If you knew I would say that, then you shouldn’t have said it. It’s not a good idea to speak of assassination of our leaders in any context, whether it be a Republican or Democrat. And just in general, you never know who is actually sitting behind the names you’re speaking with online. Thus, you should always be careful what you say.
#4 Ignatius
You’ve hit on a topic that has bugged me for years. Being gay happens to be one facet of my life, and in relation to everything else in my life, a minor facet. But as you have very aptly described, there are many gay men and lesbians who define their lives by their sexuality. They are professional gay’s. When I first moved to the Bay Area in 1989 from NYC, I discovered a very significant difference between NYC and SF. In NYC, when meeting someone for the first time, the first question asked was “What do you do?” referring to profession. The business of NYC was business. When I first asked that question of a young man in SF, he replied ” I’m gay”. I just shoke my head and wondered to myself if it paid well.
That mindset seems to have gotten only worse over the years, one of the reason I seldom set foot in SF anymore. And its no better in LA or Palm Springs. I’m glad that my friends in all those area are too busy living life, working and contributing to society to have time for the nonsense we are seeing today.
And by their very example of living life decently and respectfully, they will do more to win the hearts of voters than any of the echo chamber goose steppers who think hating anyone who opposes them will somehow win hearts and minds. If they continue, I’d suspect the next time a ballot issue like this appears , the margin of defeat will be far greater than this past November 4.
Can you give me an example of the Fanatics on the YES on 8 side who are doing this?
We are all aware of Scott Eckern who was forced to resign from his position at the CA Musical Theatre in Sacramento.
Please show me a similar story from the other side.
Paranoid???
Sooo, when I’m teaching my high school history class about the sixties, I should just skip right over the assa (oops can’t say it) the rubbing out of various world figures during that period, even MLK????
Screw that!!! History shows that periods of constant protests show a statistically higher occurrence of violence and assassinations. Ask Ghandi, Ask MLK, Ask JFK, Ask Duke Ferdinand, Ask Benazir Bhutto, Ask Anwar Sadat…. The list goes on.
Though I do self edit my comments, so as not to unnecessarily piss someone off, I will not be cow’d into submission based on some distant fear. Plus, you have written some not-so-nice-things about Bush and Cheney (I have even defended you on a few of those occasions), and you’re still here, so I guess the world is safer than you think.
Are you advocating that we just roll over and give up our freedom of speech? Based on some irrational fear? This from a liberal!
Despite it’s fault, this is still America.
And besides, if anyone comes calling, I’ll just call it art!!!!
PS. Notice I didn’t include John Lennon… Fraud!!!
America is entering a period of increased social activism. The crowds of people Obama inspired [snip] Protests, on a variety of issues, will be the norm for the foreseeable future.
Guess what, Erik – it’s not possible for everyone to get his way.
Are you saying that a nation of warring factions is a good thing? That’s what the left seems to want. I thought The Messiah was going to heal the planet.
Every so often we have culture wars. When I was a kid, my favorite radio program was “The FBI in Peace and War” which was all but sponsored by J. Edgar Hoover. Early television brought us “I Led Three Lives” which was all but sponsored by J. Edgar Hoover. But, in the late 50’s we morphed to watching the tanks roll into Little Rock to help integrate the schools. Gary Powers was shot down over Russia and Eisenhower was caught speechless. Then things really began to roll with Castro showing his Communist self, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Lee Harvey Oswald. In between these events, Kennedy had staged troops in Viet Nam. Goldwater ran on crushing Viet Nam and Johnson was elected. Viet Nam was the first Pentagon planned war, the Great Society was launched, Martin Luther King was murdered, riots broke out, the weatherman ran amok, Nixon promised law and order, we bombed Cambodia, Kent State students got shot, university buildings were bombed or occupied by radical students, Malcolm X was murdered, riots, SDS, SLA, chaos and finally Nixon and Agnew changed the focus by being incredibly stupid.
Carter proved that 444 days of captivity, double digit inflation, extreme unemployment and scolding is not really a winning combination.
We have entered into a new round of culture wars. The radical gays have led off, but illegal aliens, and the welfare class will not be far behind.
When the government takes the lead and fails, those who missed the bus get really feisty. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac set up a homes for everyone house of cards that has collapsed with an earthquake that has seriously injured real estate values, local tax bases, endowment funds, insurance funds, pensions, bonds, general markets and the economy as a whole.
Radical gays attacking the Mormons is just the tip of the ice berg. If this goes unabated, Reginald Denny being dragged from his truck in response to a jury verdict will look tame.
What’s so bad about hating people who harbor abhorrent views and use the machinery of the state to oppress others? There is a difference, it seems to me, between hating people for irrelevant, immutable characteristics, versus hating people for doing terrible things. Stripping a tiny minority of people of their civil rights is a despicable thing to do. It’s OK to hate that.
Your piety about this is ridiculous. Do you really think it’s as bad to hate a person for being a racist as it is to hate a person for being black? Come on. For all your talk about gay activists needing to face reality, it seems to me that you’re the one with the blinkers on.
Uhm, I think you have that backwards. The Illegals did it first.
“Can you give me an example of the Fanatics on the YES on 8 side who are doing this?”
Leah, did you pay the slightest attention to what they were doing before the vote? They won, they don’t need to do it now. Though, in reality the Yes on 8 type people have been doing this to LGBT folk for decades..
The way GPW has been carrying on, you’d think these folks in the streets had real power. Like they were the spiritual leader of hundreds of millions of people and what they said really impacted people’s attitudes or something.
It’s like they’re spreading the evil on thick… or something.
And when you do do it as the spiritual leader of hundreds of millions of people, what does that qualify as? Tough love?
Oops, the second link should have pointed to this.
The hate will be bottled, harvested, shaped, but not “quelled.”
Sean Penn is starring as Harvey Milk.
‘Nuff said.
Hate is a pretty strong word; I’d say that I harbor strong dislike for those who have voted to take away rights from others based on their religious beliefs. There is no escaping the correlation between religious people, who justify their view that gay relationships must be inferior because it is sanctioned in a book of myths by that which is no more likely to exist than Bertrand Russell’s celestial teapot, and voting yes on 8. Even if one believes that state recognition of same sex marriage among two consenting adults in only a privilege, how shameful it is to deny that “privilege” to others, when they know how much it hurts them. It hurts in the pocketbook and in the heart. People take things like the opportunity to apply for green cards for their spouses for granted. I don’t think they know what its like to spend 6 months here and 6 months there apart from their loved one after having lived together for twice that long, just because neither country recognizes same sex relationships at the federal level. According to their reasoning, it would be okay to deny the same protections and benefits to any other minority of two consenting adults, so long as a simple majority concurred. Wake up to this fact: It is the court’s job to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The California Supreme Court understood that. But Prop 8 supporters have willfully defiled their state constitution by passing an amendment that violates the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and that hurts gays. Yeah, that’s right. Real consequences. It’s one thing to disrespect someone with words, but its an entire new ball game when actions relegate an entire class of citizens back to second-class status. The Yes vote on 8 was absolutely shameful.
According to their reasoning, it would be okay to deny the same protections and benefits to any other minority of two consenting adults, so long as a simple majority concurred.
Of course it is; we deny this to people who are closely related by blood and we deny it to people who are already married to another person, just to name two examples.
Since you oppose denying marriage to anyone, state publicly that laws banning incestuous and polygamous marriages are illegal and that courts should strike them down immediately to protect these minorities from the “tyranny of the majority”.
But Prop 8 supporters have willfully defiled their state constitution by passing an amendment that violates the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and that hurts gays.
Only a liberal gay would claim that amending a constitution is “defiling” it using another constitutional amendment as proof.
Will the bigot gays who oppose people being allowed to amend their constitution now state that all the amendments to the US Constitution are “defiling” it? Or is this just another example of bigot gays being hypocrites by choosing some amendments as good and others as bad?
There is a difference, it seems to me, between hating people for irrelevant, immutable characteristics, versus hating people for doing terrible things.
So which “immutable characteristic” requires gay people to be antireligious bigots who assault old ladies, vandalize churches, and mail envelopes containing white powder to Mormon temples?
Oh my! Where to begin?
And pointing out that you’re a dumbass doing MORE to hurt yourself, and the rest of us, than Prop 8 ever could is our right.
Thanks for helping to prove my point above.
#16 Sooooooo….. we can hate whomever we want just as long as we can justify it, right?
For that matter, I hate Comrade Barack Milhouse Obama Carter. How you like them apples?
Sooooo…..if they don’t (in your mind), does that mean they can do whatever they want while maintaining the delusion of grandeur that they represent all of us?
The latest: White powder in envelopes sent to Mormon temples.
http://cakerdeath.blogspot.com/2008/11/not-in-my-name.html
I know there are others who share my feelings about gay marriage. I wish these gay activists would stop protesting, ask for civil unions and leave “Marriage” for heterosexuals. Gays can make wills or other provision if there is a fear of family reprisal.
In 1969, I “came out”. What a glorious, wonderful, secret society we had. We had to talk over and around straights and we loved doing it. We weren’t hated nearly as much as we are now. Just like having Obama shoved down our throats, that’s what gays activists are doing and straights don’t like it.
Talk about a maverick, I love Sarah Palin and voted for John McCain, a REAL hero, and I’ve known I was gay since I was eight years old.
Gay activists have hijacked the rainbow. Use your heads, be discrete, not everyone loves us.
Yet the moonbats at Kos, HuffPo, and DummycraticUnderwear have been posting kill Bush masturbation fantasies for eight years, with no recrimination. Wait. I thought Bush was a fascist.
I’m afraid these rallies won’t stop until some maniac actually stomps to death a Yes on 8 person right before cameras. Has anyone considered that these things are being infiltrated by anarchists? Think about it. All one has to do is wear a rainbow shirt & join in the fray. Has any reporter asked the demonstrators if they’re actually gay? Planning to get married? From California? If these rallies eventually end up with fatalities and/or bombed businesses, the gay rights movement could be over in an hour.
Are you talking about the YES or the NO side. Because both sides find the others’ views abhorrent and both accuse the other of using the machinery of the state to oppress others.
Moral equivalence strikes again.
Is it really a good idea to teach that mob violence and intimidation are better means of achieving goals than persuasions and elections? I’d be very careful about letting that particular genie out of the bottle.
Using hard hitting, negative campaigns is the way of the world. I do not recall a singe ad from the NO on 8 that personally attacked any individual.
What we are seeing now, is private citizens being attacked, losing their jobs, having their businesses boycotted for something they did in their private lives.
You may not like what they did, but as American citizens – they broke no laws, they exercised their rights to support and vote as they saw fit.
But of course, in your world – you see no difference. You claim to want a democracy. But when the democratic system doesn’t work the way you want it to – you will do everything in your power to break it down.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Though our politics are pretty much the same, I am a “leper” in the gay community. I honestly believe that as an “ex-gay” involved in public ministry to others struggling with unwanted same-sex attraction (I am flying incognito here for obvious reasons), I might have to have a body guard for my own safety were I still living in So. California right now. I also am appalled that no one from the Christian gay movement (where are the Soulforce illuminati?) is stepping forward to counter this hatred and violence. They have to be pretty embarrassed about it.
Puhleeez. Soulforce is the gay version of Obama’s “pro-life” group; nothing more than a shell organization that’s designed as a smokescreen. Soulforce will never under any circumstances condemn antireligious bigotry by gays; their only interest is in blaming and fingerpointing at religious people.
“But of course, in your world”
Leah, you have NO CLUE what “my world” is and like NDT you only make a fool of yourself by assuming you do. But, fools have their rights to so have at it.
“What we are seeing now, is private citizens being attacked, losing their jobs, having their businesses boycotted for something they did in their private lives.”
Wow, and that’s a problem because it’s now str8s that are the target? If you take your rose tinted glasses of and take an honest look at what is an common occurrence for many LGBT folk in this country perhaps, just maybe, possibly you might be able. People ARE fired or denied employment because of their sexual orientation, businesses ARE boycotted because of the owners private lives or because the business supports gay people. Apparently that is ok to you and some others on here, we just must never ever get uppity and disrespect the “nice” heterosexuals.
For the record, the process worked as it should and they won, I accept that. It disgusts me that anyone would vote that way but that’s what happened. Violent protests are unacceptable in any situation.
“Using hard hitting, negative campaigns”
The yes on 8 folks were dirty, nasty, hostile and as usual relied on fear produced by exaggeration and fabrication to get their way.
“and mail envelopes containing white powder to Mormon temples?”
NDT, you have a shred of prove that it came from protesters? Or is it just one more “I hate kweers” assumption on your part. And it figures you would attack Soulforce, you can’t stand anyone who doesn’t bow to fanatic right sado-christians.
hit enter and bye bye comments 🙂
Oh just wait till Comrade Obama and the liberal failures in congress get up a full head of steam.
After seeing how the protests and incidents at the protests are working against the end-goal of the gay community, I decided to stay away from the local Prop 8 protest this morning.
Immediately had a friend say I was a hypocrite for deploying to Iraq but not wanting to go to the protest.
Common sense is officially dead in my eyes.
#30 right, and free republic is a site filled with love and warm feelings towards liberals, homosexuals, Muslims and on and on and on. Rightwingprof – the blogs you name are pacifist compared to the freeper hate site. But, hate is ok when it’s coming from the right – that’s what I learned on here.
TGC – it won’t be any different than it is now – kweers, non-Christians and non-Caucasions will still be the acceptable target of physical and emotional violence. With your full support.
The end of the free world whining on here is quite hysterical considering how you cheer on the vices of the right and bend over for repeated acts of “love the sinner” from warped religious fanatics.
when you are willing to confront the violence and hatred that flows from your allies on the right you will then be in a position to criticize the left.
To automatically characterize the nature of anyone’s difference of opinion as “hate” is very juvenile.
This is my first visit to the GayPatriot but I’m slightly appalled by the conversation here. Has anyone leaving comments here been to the protests? They’re incredibly diverse in age, ethnicity and sexual orientation and they are becoming more peaceful as each one becomes better organized. I’m sure everyone attends for slightly different reasons but I was angry and depressed that almost every other one of my neighbors (in the larger sense of the word) voted against my chance to have equal rights. I understand that most of them thought they were voting in their own interest and weren’t consciously aware of how it would be perceived as hateful by most gay people but that does not make the result any easier to take. Even though I volunteered for the No on 8 campaign in the last few days, I felt it was flawed because the TV commercials never really allowed Gay and Lesbian couples to speak for themselves — to explain what it meant after many years of being together to have the right to be legally recognized as married. So, for me, being out on the streets is a way of being visible in a way that the No on 8 campaign didn’t endorse. Everyone was holding their breath, hoping if gay people were really polite and gay couples weren’t shown on nightly TV talking about their love then enough folks would vote against Prop 8. It didn’t happen. Now it’s our time to be visible. It won’t last that long and you back-seat drivers can sit at home and criticize but everyone has a right, for whatever individual reason, to march in the street when the constitution has been specifically altered to write in discrimination. It’s not just gay people out their marching folks. A lot of young straight people are supporting us and standing along side of us. Come out and get inspired!
Sorry Gay Patriot, but you can stop your condescension. Are you really gay or just being sarcastic? I and most others are offended by the church and GOP led bigotry against gays. These protests will energize and organize the gay community to do the necessary work for gaining our EQUAL RIGHTS. I think you are bit confused on the origin of the intolerance and its targets. I know we can stand this fully deserved rage and direct it at our enemies until this is properly resolved. In case you haven’t noticed, polite discussion, being good and waiting our turn haven’t really worked out. It’s time to bring it to the bigots. You do know how to stop queer bashers don’t you GayPatriot? Get out of your Log Closet while there’s still time. Yes you can!
“Juvenile” implies too much maturity, childish is more appropriate.
Only violence I have seen is gay men attacking little old ladies, destroying property, mob intimidation, and sending death threats and white powder through the mail.
Its not hatred to recognize that children dont come from two people of the same sex, its called reality. SELF-hatred is demanding that everyone else in the world pretend that you’re something you’re not because you refuse to come to terms with what you are.
Again, recognizing that your relationship is not the same as heterosexual relationships is not abhorrent, its facing facts.
Oppressed? Holy cow you guys ARE children.
“Only violence I have seen”
That’s the problem AE, you refuse to see anything except what is negative about the gay communities and ignore/deny what is said and done against us. I’m not defending what happened but it was ONE little old lady who was clearly sent in for exactly that result. Destroying property is ignorant and unacceptable behavior not matter who does it, so when will you start commenting on such actions against gay folk and their property (my guess is never). There is NO PROOF that the white powder came from those protesting 8, it’s far more likely it was sent to make LGBT people look worse.
#41 V, to ignore or justify words of true hatred and acts of violence against LGBT folk and calling it “a difference of opinion” is ignorant and murderous.
I’m not defending what happened but it was ONE little old lady who was clearly sent in for exactly that result.
Of course you’re defending it. You’re making excuses and blaming other people for the fact that you and your fellow gays and lesbians can’t control your own behavior and assaulted this little old lady. Instead of admitting that this was wrong, you whine and cry that it’s other peoples’ fault.
We should expect this from a group that sues Viagra manufacturers for causing them to have unprotected and promiscuous sex. There is zero responsibility or accountability among gays like Dave; they are nothing more than spoiled brats who blame everyone else for their lack of self-control. Why should they be given any adult responsibilities, when they clearly are incapable of acting like intelligent adults?
Filter, GPW. It’s time that children like the bigot Dave who make excuses for assaulting little old ladies were held accountable.
#46 NDT what is wrong with your brain? I made no excuses for their behavior it was disgusting. But the simple fact is that it is a tactic of the right wing “christians” to 1) go to LGBT events/gatherings with the intent of antagonizing the crowd 2) they send in older women so they can turn around and broadcast far and wide about “grandmas being arrested” like in Philly or in this case assaulted for “defending marriage”. I repeat it’s disgusting what happened but she SHOULD NOT have been there. Yes she has a right to believe what she does and to speak out about it, but only a fanatic will place themselves in such a situation, there are plenty of other ways to have a voice. The news people are guilty too, they should have stopped the interview immediately and escorted the woman out.
You need to stop being such an idiot twisting everything I say. That is juvenile and that is ignorant. Get down off the pedestal you have put yourself on, your arrogance is as repulsive as the stupidity of the men in the video. Whatever you spewed that got filtered is probably better off staying there, it’s bound to be offensive and filled with fabrication and self-righteous nonsense. and I imagine mine will end up there also 🙂
yup, it did
I repeat it’s disgusting what happened but she SHOULD NOT have been there.
Oh really? Tell us, adDave, what part of your sexual orientation causes you and your fellow gay liberals to go crazy and lose all control of yourself when you see little old ladies who disagree with you nearby?
Do you also support other people assaulting gays in the same fashion if the gays insult or come into their presence, or are you going to demonstrate your usual hypocrisy and bigotry and state that gays should never be violently attacked regardless of the provocation?
One more thing: now watch how adDave tries to spin his way out by claiming that all Christians, or all conservatives, support beating up on gays, and that therefore, gays should be allowed to beat up on Christians.
I’m not defending what happened but it was ONE little old lady who was clearly sent in for exactly that result.
If true, then she would have failed if the gay activists had behaved with human decency instead acting like childish thugs.
NDT, if you would like to ask questions based on the reality of what I have said, not your hallucinations, I would be happy to answer. As it stands you refuse to see anything but what the voices in your head tell you. You flap your lips ( or I guess fingers in this case) about the lack of accountability and responsibility in the gay communities but don’t hold others up to the same standards, especially the fanatic right who are constantly crusading against us. There’s little point in attempting to communicate with a person who is only interested in repeating the same old garbage incessantly and thinks he knows what I believe and do with my life so well that he can claim I’m really saying one thing when my words clearly say another. Spew away NDT, for now I’m flushing you down the same place that I put your BFF Labarbera and those who think like him. Hope the swirling motion doesn’t bother you too much.
There’s little point in attempting to communicate with a person who is only interested in repeating the same old garbage incessantly and thinks he knows what I believe and do with my life so well that he can claim I’m really saying one thing when my words clearly say another.
You couldn’t be more right, adDave; yet we still make valiant efforts to take your statements into consideration, despite your behavior being exactly as you have described.
Now, again; will you condemn gay activists committing violent acts against people like this lady, or will you state that violent acts are acceptable and excusable when someone was provoked, as you claim this woman was trying to do to these gay activists?
Filter, GPW
You flap your lips ( or I guess fingers in this case) about the lack of accountability and responsibility in the gay communities but don’t hold others up to the same standards, especially the fanatic right who are constantly crusading against us.</I
I certainly do, Dave; since you state that it is acceptable to violently attack, trample, and scream epithets at those who you don’t like, I am happy to hold those people you term the “fanatic right” to the same standards. The problem is that you, being a violent little child with no emotional or intellectual maturity, want the right to violently attack, trample, and scream epithets at people you don’t like without any constraints on your behavior whatsoever.
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Don’t forget that, according to Dave’s standards, people are perfectly justified in mailing white powder-filled envelopes to gay and lesbian organizations and businesses, and in vandalizing the houses, businesses, and buildings of those they don’t like.
A Differently Abled Dave,
I do?
Do you realize that almost every time you open your ignorant yap, you are telling other people what they think and feel?
You are not psychic. Stop being an idiot.
What has been done “against” the gay community? Which little old lesbians have been attacked? Which gays have had their personal property damaged or destroyed? Where are the “Yes on 8” riots and thuggery? I’m not defending what happenedThat’s exactly what you’re doing. Case in point:
She was? There you are reading other people’s minds again.
Who else has done it BUT gay people?
Um, someone would actually have to take such actions against gay people first.
Holy cow, you’re a joke.
Filtered 🙁
“you are telling other people what they think and feel?”
No, that’s NDT’s job but if it will make you feel better – I have never read one word from you criticizing the right for it’s actions and attitudes.
As for the rest, if ignorance is bliss you must be ecstatic. You’re happy where your head is planted, so far be it from me to want to ruin that for you. It won’t make you immune to reality though, but that’s your problem.
Teh Official LDS Position on Same Sex Attraction.
Now, show me one place in there where the church says gays should be hated, or that violence against gays is acceptable.
But we can see right here on this thread where adDave says that violence, hatred, and vandalism against religious people is fully acceptable, endorsed, and supported by gays like himself.
“But we can see right here on this thread where adDave”
No, in reality you cannot.
Sure you did, Dave; it’s right there where you say that violence, hatred, and vandalism against religious people is fully acceptable, endorsed, and supported by gays like himself because religious people are all evil and always acting to hurt gays.
Now, Dave, state that, since gays and lesbians “should know better” than to approach a site where they’re not welcome, that if gays and lesbians are physically assaulted at that site, it’s their own fault for trying to be provocative. Or demonstrate what a leftist hypocrite you are by again refusing to condemn the behavior of your fellow gay bigots.
In reality, we did.
Since bigot Dave says that you can assault and attack anyone who provokes you, that means that it is now open season for religious people against violent gays like Dave who have attacked other religious people. Do you agree, bigot Dave?
NDT, apparently there is no end to your warped drivel. I have no need to defend myself against accusations based on words I never said or things I never did. Carry on, it’s amusing.
I have no need to defend myself against accusations based on words I never said or things I never did.
But of course, you make accusations against and expect us to condemn all religious people regardless of whether they did anything or not.
So here’s the game: little bigot Dave can claim whatever he wants about religious people, but screams that nothing gay people ever do is wrong and that everything is the fault of religious people.
NDT, I have ALWAYS been quite clear that it is a minority of Christians, even a minority of conservative Christians that I find demented and dangerous. Reading is fundamental.