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		<title>By: Gay Activists Need to Learn from Conservatives &#171; Gay Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Activists Need to Learn from Conservatives &#171; Gay Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Once Again, How Gay Activists Can Learn from the Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Once Again, How Gay Activists Can Learn from the Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Livewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Livewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall, vaugely, during the 80&#039;s the concept of the &#039;silent majority&#039; being mocked.

While I, by no means, assume the nutjobs on 8 represent the &#039;silent majority&#039; like it or not, they are the visible &#039;face&#039; of the gay rights movement.  As much as the Folsom Street Fair is the &#039;face&#039; of every couple that practices spank, tickle, and rope in their bedroom.

That is why the denouncement of the violence and insults has to be clear and no hedging.  Saying &quot;I disagree with their means, but...&quot; or attacking the messenger is not going to help the cause.

Compared to tearing a cross out of someone&#039;s hand, or chasing people out of the Castro district, makes even the most disagreeable rant on the internet seem lucid by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall, vaugely, during the 80&#8242;s the concept of the &#8216;silent majority&#8217; being mocked.</p>
<p>While I, by no means, assume the nutjobs on 8 represent the &#8216;silent majority&#8217; like it or not, they are the visible &#8216;face&#8217; of the gay rights movement.  As much as the Folsom Street Fair is the &#8216;face&#8217; of every couple that practices spank, tickle, and rope in their bedroom.</p>
<p>That is why the denouncement of the violence and insults has to be clear and no hedging.  Saying &#8220;I disagree with their means, but&#8230;&#8221; or attacking the messenger is not going to help the cause.</p>
<p>Compared to tearing a cross out of someone&#8217;s hand, or chasing people out of the Castro district, makes even the most disagreeable rant on the internet seem lucid by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buck, it would be amusing that you speak of scruples while whoring it up for the Dems, if it weren&#039;t so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buck, it would be amusing that you speak of scruples while whoring it up for the Dems, if it weren&#8217;t so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: buckeyenutlover</title>
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		<dc:creator>buckeyenutlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how laughable.  conservatives, after proving they have no scruples and no ideas, have nothing to offer to activists, other than how to lose elections.

it&#039;s going to be a LONG decade for you folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how laughable.  conservatives, after proving they have no scruples and no ideas, have nothing to offer to activists, other than how to lose elections.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s going to be a LONG decade for you folks.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, youâ€™re telling people to listen to a woman who attacked Rachel Ray for wearing a piece of clothing because itâ€™s allegedly the garb worn by terrorists? puh-lease.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You&#039;re absolutely right.  The keffiyeh is soooo yesterday while Che Guevera t-shirts are back in vogue this season!  Give me a break.  I agree with Malkin on this.  Do you even know what the history of the Palestinian version of the keffiyeh is or have you swallowed some BS, PC-inspired version of this being a symbol of the struggle of the peace-loving people of Palestine?  

What the hell is it with the lib fascination with brutal thugs and dictators?  These are the same folks who would target gays and liberals of all kinds in the West if they had a chance.  Puh-leeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way, youâ€™re telling people to listen to a woman who attacked Rachel Ray for wearing a piece of clothing because itâ€™s allegedly the garb worn by terrorists? puh-lease.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right.  The keffiyeh is soooo yesterday while Che Guevera t-shirts are back in vogue this season!  Give me a break.  I agree with Malkin on this.  Do you even know what the history of the Palestinian version of the keffiyeh is or have you swallowed some BS, PC-inspired version of this being a symbol of the struggle of the peace-loving people of Palestine?  </p>
<p>What the hell is it with the lib fascination with brutal thugs and dictators?  These are the same folks who would target gays and liberals of all kinds in the West if they had a chance.  Puh-leeze.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe if you folks see Milk when it comes out next week, then maybe youâ€™ll learn something about a man who was a great liberal and didnâ€™t need to â€œlearn from conservativesâ€.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
First of all, only a fool would claim either that liberals have nothing to learn from conservatives AND vice versa.  We all may not agree exactly on what that may be, but we are all human and none of us are perfect.  Second, the biggest problem I have with Hrvey Milk was his cruel outing of Oliver Sipple, the former Marine who saved then-President Ford&#039;s life.  I first read about that in &quot;Conduct Unbecoming&quot; and lost a LOT of respect for Milk for his exploiting Sipple for political gain.  I still find that to be completely despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe if you folks see Milk when it comes out next week, then maybe youâ€™ll learn something about a man who was a great liberal and didnâ€™t need to â€œlearn from conservativesâ€.</p></blockquote>
<p>First of all, only a fool would claim either that liberals have nothing to learn from conservatives AND vice versa.  We all may not agree exactly on what that may be, but we are all human and none of us are perfect.  Second, the biggest problem I have with Hrvey Milk was his cruel outing of Oliver Sipple, the former Marine who saved then-President Ford&#8217;s life.  I first read about that in &#8220;Conduct Unbecoming&#8221; and lost a LOT of respect for Milk for his exploiting Sipple for political gain.  I still find that to be completely despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She is an idiot and any gay person who supports her ought to just admit they are self-hating and should sign up at their local KKK office.&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;re not the ones hurling racial slurs at blacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She is an idiot and any gay person who supports her ought to just admit they are self-hating and should sign up at their local KKK office.</i></p>
<p>We&#8217;re not the ones hurling racial slurs at blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fact that anyone would even cite Michelle Malkin as a credible source is pathetic. That woman is a histrionic, irrational lunatic and a sub-par, D-list journalist. Furthermore, as scientists say, anectode does not equal data. Just because a few gay activists got out of hand doesnt paint the entire picture of the actions of all protestors. She is an idiot and any gay person who supports her ought to just admit they are self-hating and should sign up at their local KKK office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact that anyone would even cite Michelle Malkin as a credible source is pathetic. That woman is a histrionic, irrational lunatic and a sub-par, D-list journalist. Furthermore, as scientists say, anectode does not equal data. Just because a few gay activists got out of hand doesnt paint the entire picture of the actions of all protestors. She is an idiot and any gay person who supports her ought to just admit they are self-hating and should sign up at their local KKK office.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if you folks see Milk when it comes out next week, then maybe you&#039;ll learn something about a man who was a great liberal and didn&#039;t need to &quot;learn from conservatives&quot;.  

I only wish it had opened wide before the November elections - then perhaps the outcome of the prop 8 vote would have been different.

By the way, you&#039;re telling people to listen to a woman who attacked Rachel Ray for wearing a piece of clothing because it&#039;s allegedly the garb worn by terrorists?  puh-lease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if you folks see Milk when it comes out next week, then maybe you&#8217;ll learn something about a man who was a great liberal and didn&#8217;t need to &#8220;learn from conservatives&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I only wish it had opened wide before the November elections &#8211; then perhaps the outcome of the prop 8 vote would have been different.</p>
<p>By the way, you&#8217;re telling people to listen to a woman who attacked Rachel Ray for wearing a piece of clothing because it&#8217;s allegedly the garb worn by terrorists?  puh-lease.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: It&#039;s not that this stuff wasn&#039;t happening. It obviously is, and it is embarrassing. But it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the majority of the protestors. That&#039;s where the distortion lies. The MSM is clearly trying to boost its dying numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: It&#8217;s not that this stuff wasn&#8217;t happening. It obviously is, and it is embarrassing. But it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the majority of the protestors. That&#8217;s where the distortion lies. The MSM is clearly trying to boost its dying numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Advice for John McCain and Prop 8 Opponents</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Advice for John McCain and Prop 8 Opponents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad notes:&lt;blockquote&gt;malkin linked a story about a group of christians who were chased out of the castro by a group of angry gay residents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;and Chad adds:&lt;blockquote&gt;it is particularly cruel to call a group of people an insane mob when they are simply asking for civil rights and equal protection under the law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Chad, I think, means the angry gays, not the Christians. I assume this because Chad notes:&lt;blockquote&gt;on the other hand, maybe some people are entitled to their anger. some of the most effective gay activist movements were predicated upon anger. see ACT UP circa. 1987-88.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Chad&#039;s conclusion about Michelle Malkin is that:&lt;blockquote&gt;sheâ€™s distorting the prop 8 narrative to get more hits on her blog, and her mistakes need to be corrected by more reasonable conservative voices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, Chad, what is the &quot;Prop 8 narrative&quot; that the gay activists are unfolding and Michelle Malkin has wrong?

Smacking a cross out of an old woman&#039;s hands, hissing the N-word, disrupting church services, picketing Mormons and chasing Christian missionaries out of the Castro district seems like a narrative to me. Did something escape my lying eyes? Remember, I am straight, so I am a homophobe and need careful instruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad notes:<br />
<blockquote>malkin linked a story about a group of christians who were chased out of the castro by a group of angry gay residents.</p></blockquote>
<p>and Chad adds:<br />
<blockquote>it is particularly cruel to call a group of people an insane mob when they are simply asking for civil rights and equal protection under the law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Chad, I think, means the angry gays, not the Christians. I assume this because Chad notes:<br />
<blockquote>on the other hand, maybe some people are entitled to their anger. some of the most effective gay activist movements were predicated upon anger. see ACT UP circa. 1987-88.</p></blockquote>
<p>Chad&#8217;s conclusion about Michelle Malkin is that:<br />
<blockquote>sheâ€™s distorting the prop 8 narrative to get more hits on her blog, and her mistakes need to be corrected by more reasonable conservative voices.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, Chad, what is the &#8220;Prop 8 narrative&#8221; that the gay activists are unfolding and Michelle Malkin has wrong?</p>
<p>Smacking a cross out of an old woman&#8217;s hands, hissing the N-word, disrupting church services, picketing Mormons and chasing Christian missionaries out of the Castro district seems like a narrative to me. Did something escape my lying eyes? Remember, I am straight, so I am a homophobe and need careful instruction.</p>
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		<title>By: heliotrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>heliotrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from Thomas Sowell:&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œBlacks and Mormons have been the main targets of the gay activistsâ€™ anger. Seventy percent of blacks voted against gay marriage in California, so racial epithets were hurled at blacks in Los Angeles â€” not in black neighborhoods, by the way.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;I suppose when the gay activists have had done with the Mormons, they will turn their attention on clearing out the black neighborhoods. They can start in the nursing homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from Thomas Sowell:<br />
<blockquote>â€œBlacks and Mormons have been the main targets of the gay activistsâ€™ anger. Seventy percent of blacks voted against gay marriage in California, so racial epithets were hurled at blacks in Los Angeles â€” not in black neighborhoods, by the way.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose when the gay activists have had done with the Mormons, they will turn their attention on clearing out the black neighborhoods. They can start in the nursing homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad- Based on the eHarmony lawsuit, the evangelicals had as much right to be there as the homosexuals.  Why are their first amendment rights being oppressed?  

Personally, I think the eHarmony lawsuit was wrongly decided, but if I&#039;m allowed to cry discrimination against people who I disagree with because they don&#039;t want me around, I just might take you up on the offer.

Louise B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad- Based on the eHarmony lawsuit, the evangelicals had as much right to be there as the homosexuals.  Why are their first amendment rights being oppressed?  </p>
<p>Personally, I think the eHarmony lawsuit was wrongly decided, but if I&#8217;m allowed to cry discrimination against people who I disagree with because they don&#8217;t want me around, I just might take you up on the offer.</p>
<p>Louise B</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, Chad, get the ball rolling for us, if Michelle made mistakes, identify her errors.  And please note, she&#039;s linking local television news coverage, not national media.

Okay, maybe the heckling of evangelists is not related to rallies against prop 8, but she didn&#039;t say that it was.  And heck, you&#039;re doing the same thing, bringing in extraneous points about Michelle&#039;s others posts which I don&#039;t address in this one (to which you attach your comment) and have no relevance to the issue at hand.

Seems you just want to vent at Michelle.  So, why don&#039;t you go do that her blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, Chad, get the ball rolling for us, if Michelle made mistakes, identify her errors.  And please note, she&#8217;s linking local television news coverage, not national media.</p>
<p>Okay, maybe the heckling of evangelists is not related to rallies against prop 8, but she didn&#8217;t say that it was.  And heck, you&#8217;re doing the same thing, bringing in extraneous points about Michelle&#8217;s others posts which I don&#8217;t address in this one (to which you attach your comment) and have no relevance to the issue at hand.</p>
<p>Seems you just want to vent at Michelle.  So, why don&#8217;t you go do that her blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on tuesday, malkin posted a link to a zogby survey commissioned by john ziegler. she endorsed his (dubious, to say the least) conclusion that the reason obama won the presidential election was because &quot;lots and lots of stupid people&quot; voted. so i guess if we take your advice, and follow malkin&#039;s example, we should cast aspersions against prop 8 supporters and call them stupid. right? hmm, maybe she&#039;s on to something...

on the other hand, maybe some people are entitled to their anger. some of the most effective gay activist movements were predicated upon anger. see ACT UP circa. 1987-88. 

i don&#039;t think malkin has anything to teach the gay community or the anti-prop 8 movement about good sportsmanship. i also think your defense of malkin is misguided. she plainly IS trying to portray the entire anti-prop 8 movement as gripped with insane rage. on monday, under the headline &quot;anti-prop 8 mob watch: christians in SF&#039;s castro district&quot;, malkin linked a story about a group of christians who were chased out of the castro by a group of angry gay residents. but the incident was not connected in any way with an anti-prop 8 protest. it was a spontaneous reaction by neighborhood residents who were upset by antagonizers who came to the castro to convert its gays to the straight lifestyle. why would she deliberately conflate the anti-prop 8 movement with an incident that was plainly not associated with prop 8?? why would she refer to protestors as a mob unless she is trying to define the entire movement as gripped with &quot;insane rage&quot;?? and as i mentioned earlier, it is particularly cruel to call a group of people an insane mob when they are simply asking for civil rights and equal protection under the law. 

as far as your defense of malkin on the grounds that she is serving as a MSM watchdog, well, that too is misguided. in the post mentioned above, malkin links a MS television source that reported the story, a source which was careful to point out that the incident was not connected to organized prop 8 protests. she&#039;s not &quot;reporting&quot; on stories that the MSM ignores; she&#039;s distorting the prop 8 narrative to get more hits on her blog, and her mistakes need to be corrected by more reasonable conservative voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on tuesday, malkin posted a link to a zogby survey commissioned by john ziegler. she endorsed his (dubious, to say the least) conclusion that the reason obama won the presidential election was because &#8220;lots and lots of stupid people&#8221; voted. so i guess if we take your advice, and follow malkin&#8217;s example, we should cast aspersions against prop 8 supporters and call them stupid. right? hmm, maybe she&#8217;s on to something&#8230;</p>
<p>on the other hand, maybe some people are entitled to their anger. some of the most effective gay activist movements were predicated upon anger. see ACT UP circa. 1987-88. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think malkin has anything to teach the gay community or the anti-prop 8 movement about good sportsmanship. i also think your defense of malkin is misguided. she plainly IS trying to portray the entire anti-prop 8 movement as gripped with insane rage. on monday, under the headline &#8220;anti-prop 8 mob watch: christians in SF&#8217;s castro district&#8221;, malkin linked a story about a group of christians who were chased out of the castro by a group of angry gay residents. but the incident was not connected in any way with an anti-prop 8 protest. it was a spontaneous reaction by neighborhood residents who were upset by antagonizers who came to the castro to convert its gays to the straight lifestyle. why would she deliberately conflate the anti-prop 8 movement with an incident that was plainly not associated with prop 8?? why would she refer to protestors as a mob unless she is trying to define the entire movement as gripped with &#8220;insane rage&#8221;?? and as i mentioned earlier, it is particularly cruel to call a group of people an insane mob when they are simply asking for civil rights and equal protection under the law. </p>
<p>as far as your defense of malkin on the grounds that she is serving as a MSM watchdog, well, that too is misguided. in the post mentioned above, malkin links a MS television source that reported the story, a source which was careful to point out that the incident was not connected to organized prop 8 protests. she&#8217;s not &#8220;reporting&#8221; on stories that the MSM ignores; she&#8217;s distorting the prop 8 narrative to get more hits on her blog, and her mistakes need to be corrected by more reasonable conservative voices.</p>
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		<title>By: American Elephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem painting with a broad brush is this sort of instance, everyone has seen how out of control these demonstrators are, and yet they still lend their voices to the protests. That makes them complicit in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem painting with a broad brush is this sort of instance, everyone has seen how out of control these demonstrators are, and yet they still lend their voices to the protests. That makes them complicit in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thoroughly disgusted by the old lady incident.  These tunnel-visioned reactionaries apparently weren&#039;t raised properly.

First, you just don&#039;t do that to anybody.
Second, don&#039;t even think about touching my cross, bee-atch.
Further, what happened to their oh-so-liberal sensibilities?  She had as much of a right to protest as they did.  There was undoubtedly a lot of name-calling from both sides, but at 57, I&#039;ve been called everything and really don&#039;t give a hoot.

Calm yourselves down.  When Shakespeare said &quot;First, kill all the lawyers&quot;, he was talking about the surest way to cause anarchy.  Let the lawyers speak for us, but make sure you make yourselves heard by the lawyers.  Anarchy is the worst state of affairs to be in -- which speaks to why the angry mobs never get much done.  Well, I take that back:  there was the French Revolution, which took decades and killed untold thousands of people.

I paid for my appointment at the SF city hall for us to be married in December after 25 years.  Whether or not the government intercedes and determines that it was an illegal ballot, we&#039;ve decided not even to do it there.  We&#039;ll go home to my family in Massachusetts where the issue is fairly secure.  Heck, I may even find a priest from my religion to do a blessing.

Our choice to do it in SF was originally a peaceful attempt to let our numbers be counted (we are going to SF anyway, so admittedly, it was an afterthought).  If such union is in peril in the eyes of the State, we know that it is not in our eyes.  We wanted to avoid having the family shell out for gifts and killing the fatted goat, but it will be more comfortable than making a statement like that in a war zone like KKKalifornia.

IMHO, I think we shouldn&#039;t concentrate on the word &quot;Marriage&quot;, but instead on equal rights.  I want every single freaking right that straight people have (who, at this point, don&#039;t last as long as we have.  My kid brother is on his third marriage since we&#039;ve been together, and his present mail-order bride will get his benefits).  I want him to get my Social Security.  I would have wanted to adopt, but we&#039;re too old and really don&#039;t personally want to live anywhere but Florida, home of vestiges of the Anita Bryant abomination.

I urge folks to redirect the thrust towards equality and not what others consider usurping &quot;their&quot; word.

EQUALITY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thoroughly disgusted by the old lady incident.  These tunnel-visioned reactionaries apparently weren&#8217;t raised properly.</p>
<p>First, you just don&#8217;t do that to anybody.<br />
Second, don&#8217;t even think about touching my cross, bee-atch.<br />
Further, what happened to their oh-so-liberal sensibilities?  She had as much of a right to protest as they did.  There was undoubtedly a lot of name-calling from both sides, but at 57, I&#8217;ve been called everything and really don&#8217;t give a hoot.</p>
<p>Calm yourselves down.  When Shakespeare said &#8220;First, kill all the lawyers&#8221;, he was talking about the surest way to cause anarchy.  Let the lawyers speak for us, but make sure you make yourselves heard by the lawyers.  Anarchy is the worst state of affairs to be in &#8212; which speaks to why the angry mobs never get much done.  Well, I take that back:  there was the French Revolution, which took decades and killed untold thousands of people.</p>
<p>I paid for my appointment at the SF city hall for us to be married in December after 25 years.  Whether or not the government intercedes and determines that it was an illegal ballot, we&#8217;ve decided not even to do it there.  We&#8217;ll go home to my family in Massachusetts where the issue is fairly secure.  Heck, I may even find a priest from my religion to do a blessing.</p>
<p>Our choice to do it in SF was originally a peaceful attempt to let our numbers be counted (we are going to SF anyway, so admittedly, it was an afterthought).  If such union is in peril in the eyes of the State, we know that it is not in our eyes.  We wanted to avoid having the family shell out for gifts and killing the fatted goat, but it will be more comfortable than making a statement like that in a war zone like KKKalifornia.</p>
<p>IMHO, I think we shouldn&#8217;t concentrate on the word &#8220;Marriage&#8221;, but instead on equal rights.  I want every single freaking right that straight people have (who, at this point, don&#8217;t last as long as we have.  My kid brother is on his third marriage since we&#8217;ve been together, and his present mail-order bride will get his benefits).  I want him to get my Social Security.  I would have wanted to adopt, but we&#8217;re too old and really don&#8217;t personally want to live anywhere but Florida, home of vestiges of the Anita Bryant abomination.</p>
<p>I urge folks to redirect the thrust towards equality and not what others consider usurping &#8220;their&#8221; word.</p>
<p>EQUALITY!</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gay activists need to learn from conservatives and, in Michelleâ€™s words, begin â€œthe peaceful post-defeat process of self-flagellation, self-analysis, and self-autopsy.â€œ&lt;/i&gt;

Problem with that, GPW, is that you are asking a population that has been taught for decades that nothing that ever happens to them is their fault to take on &lt;i&gt;self&lt;/i&gt; analysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gay activists need to learn from conservatives and, in Michelleâ€™s words, begin â€œthe peaceful post-defeat process of self-flagellation, self-analysis, and self-autopsy.â€œ</i></p>
<p>Problem with that, GPW, is that you are asking a population that has been taught for decades that nothing that ever happens to them is their fault to take on <i>self</i> analysis</p>
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