Comments on: The Real Agenda of the Leaders of “No on 8″ http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:04:02 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: campaign contributions | Apple.com http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333999 campaign contributions | Apple.com Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:46:14 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333999 [...] The Real Agenda of the Leaders of “No on 8″ … dedicated to defeating 8 for their paltry contributions to the cause. Noting how former HRC chief Elizabeth Birch gave nearly fourteen times as much to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign as she did to the “No on 8″ campaign, … [...] [...] The Real Agenda of the Leaders of “No on 8″ … dedicated to defeating 8 for their paltry contributions to the cause. Noting how former HRC chief Elizabeth Birch gave nearly fourteen times as much to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign as she did to the “No on 8″ campaign, … [...]

]]> By: Attmay http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333887 Attmay Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:35:18 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333887 <i>The major thrust is about trying to reach out to African-American voters more and questioning why No on 8 didn’t try to hitch onto Obama’s brand.</i> He'd throw us under the bus faster than you can say "Donnie McClurkin." <i>While getting more AA support for marriage is certainly good, these are the same people who are telling us that the AA community (and Obama’s presence on the ballot) did NOT make the difference between Prop 8 passing and failing. Nothing about trying to get more Republicans or moderates on board, the people who will make the difference between winning and losing. It’s not about building a broad coalition in favor of same-sex marriage. It’s about getting all the Democratic special interest groups behind same-sex marriage, whether that works or not.</i> We will fail unless we have bipartisan, multi-racial/ethnic support, and, yes, religious leaders on our side. Mainline Protestant churches as well as reform and reconstructionist synagogues come to mind as the most likely potential supporters. The anti-slavery and anti-segregation movements had religious leaders in prominent positions of the movement. The major thrust is about trying to reach out to African-American voters more and questioning why No on 8 didn’t try to hitch onto Obama’s brand.

He’d throw us under the bus faster than you can say “Donnie McClurkin.”

While getting more AA support for marriage is certainly good, these are the same people who are telling us that the AA community (and Obama’s presence on the ballot) did NOT make the difference between Prop 8 passing and failing. Nothing about trying to get more Republicans or moderates on board, the people who will make the difference between winning and losing.

It’s not about building a broad coalition in favor of same-sex marriage. It’s about getting all the Democratic special interest groups behind same-sex marriage, whether that works or not.

We will fail unless we have bipartisan, multi-racial/ethnic support, and, yes, religious leaders on our side. Mainline Protestant churches as well as reform and reconstructionist synagogues come to mind as the most likely potential supporters. The anti-slavery and anti-segregation movements had religious leaders in prominent positions of the movement.

]]> By: DaveO http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333738 DaveO Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:14:55 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333738 "I doubt these left-of-center individuals even consider my question" No kidding. Here's a supposed "Virtual Town Hall" from the No On 8 crowd: http://www.queerty.com/programming-note-live-blogging-the-prop-8-campaigns-virtual-town-hall-20081125/#more-33927 The major thrust is about trying to reach out to African-American voters more and questioning why No on 8 didn't try to hitch onto Obama's brand. While getting more AA support for marriage is certainly good, these are the same people who are telling us that the AA community (and Obama's presence on the ballot) did NOT make the difference between Prop 8 passing and failing. Nothing about trying to get more Republicans or moderates on board, the people who will make the difference between winning and losing. It's not about building a broad coalition in favor of same-sex marriage. It's about getting all the Democratic special interest groups behind same-sex marriage, whether that works or not. “I doubt these left-of-center individuals even consider my question”

No kidding. Here’s a supposed “Virtual Town Hall” from the No On 8 crowd:

http://www.queerty.com/programming-note-live-blogging-the-prop-8-campaigns-virtual-town-hall-20081125/#more-33927

The major thrust is about trying to reach out to African-American voters more and questioning why No on 8 didn’t try to hitch onto Obama’s brand. While getting more AA support for marriage is certainly good, these are the same people who are telling us that the AA community (and Obama’s presence on the ballot) did NOT make the difference between Prop 8 passing and failing. Nothing about trying to get more Republicans or moderates on board, the people who will make the difference between winning and losing.

It’s not about building a broad coalition in favor of same-sex marriage. It’s about getting all the Democratic special interest groups behind same-sex marriage, whether that works or not.

]]> By: heather http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333724 heather Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:12:28 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333724 sounds like what happened to the Feminist Movement. The bunch who ignore honor killings and the like, even in the USofA. I think one of the problems is that the type of person that will sit through an entire meeting, and then another one the next day, is not the type of person who is really interested in any other issue except himself/herself (and position papers of course). They are the people who take power, folks. Terrible but true. sounds like what happened to the Feminist Movement. The bunch who ignore honor killings and the like, even in the USofA.

I think one of the problems is that the type of person that will sit through an entire meeting, and then another one the next day, is not the type of person who is really interested in any other issue except himself/herself (and position papers of course). They are the people who take power, folks. Terrible but true.

]]> By: Pat http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333685 Pat Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:17:04 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333685 <i> Now is the time for the silent majority of gays, those who lived their lives with a quiet dignity, to step up and become the voice of gay America. </i> Excellent idea, Attmay! Now is the time for the silent majority of gays, those who lived their lives with a quiet dignity, to step up and become the voice of gay America.

Excellent idea, Attmay!

]]> By: Attmay http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333663 Attmay Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:24:36 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333663 I've realized this for half a decade, but it's taken gays on the left like Petrelis until now to realize that Gay Inc. (I like the sound of that) is for all intents and purposes a fully-owned subsidiary of the DNC. They define "gay rights" by party affiliation, not action. There is a gay leadership vacuum. I could make a dirty joke here but I won't. Now is the time for the silent majority of gays, those who lived their lives with a quiet dignity, to step up and become the voice of gay America. But not before you read "The Art of War" and "How to Win Friends and Influence People" cover to cover. Twice. I’ve realized this for half a decade, but it’s taken gays on the left like Petrelis until now to realize that Gay Inc. (I like the sound of that) is for all intents and purposes a fully-owned subsidiary of the DNC. They define “gay rights” by party affiliation, not action.

There is a gay leadership vacuum. I could make a dirty joke here but I won’t. Now is the time for the silent majority of gays, those who lived their lives with a quiet dignity, to step up and become the voice of gay America. But not before you read “The Art of War” and “How to Win Friends and Influence People” cover to cover. Twice.

]]> By: Dave http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/25/the-real-agenda-of-the-leaders-of-no-on-8/comment-page-1/#comment-333649 Dave Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:43:37 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=7071#comment-333649 Career activists seem to have modeled themselves after career politicians. No matter how long they remain in office nothing is ever their fault! Career activists seem to have modeled themselves after career politicians. No matter how long they remain in office nothing is ever their fault!

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