So TGC, clearly you believe in the same “god” as the toxic religious right and their murderous fanatic twins in the Middle East. As long as you claim it’s from God you can do or say whatever you want no matter how foul I do appreciate your comments though they show how completely unhinged you are.

So, I ask a different Dave:

1) Where is the dividing line between the religious right and the religious sort of right?

2) What are the elements we should look for to determine what is “toxic” in the religious right?

3.) Please detail the twin actions/beliefs the radical right shares with their “murderous fanatic twins in the Middle East. (You may detail just one, if you prefer.)

4.) Beyond “religion” as a social exercise, do you believe in God? I include this, because you little lettered God and slapped Him in quotes. Also, if you do not believe in God, then I would assume that you compartmentalize those who do believe in God as being a bit off their reasoning powers and those who are very devout as being really nuts. If I am correct in my assumption, then your gripe is against all religion that holds you to any standard which makes you squirm.

5.) What is your battle plan to defeat the toxic religious right and their murderous fanatic twins in the Middle East. Will you sic the intergalactic eunuchs of the United Nations on them? Will you Joan of Arc them with an army of true unbelievers? Will you sit alone in your room and hate them to pieces? Or will you spew toxic words at them over the internet? How about ordering them to “coexist” by way of a bumper sticker? Maybe a fish with feet and the name Darwin in the middle for your trunk deck would put them in their place.

C’mon, a different Dave, fess up. You have nothing in your arsenal but bluster and derision. Why don’t you go paint a big dirty word on the side of an Amish buggy and laugh at them when they all run around trying to figure out what motivates you. You can explain toxic to them. And believe me, they are as funky religious right as you can get.

So TGC, clearly you believe in the same “god” as the toxic religious right and their murderous fanatic twins in the Middle East. As long as you claim it’s from God you can do or say whatever you want no matter how foul I do appreciate your comments though they show how completely
unhinged you are. I must say though you do have a way with words
Oh, and for the record I work 10 – 12 hours a day and usually another 4 or 5 on the weekend and holidays so stuff your fantasy of what I do with my time in the orifice that most of your “wisdom” flows from. And have a great weekend.

#105 AE, no need to fix what wasn’t broke.

A certain fair in a well known city is relevant to where a minority stands with the general population. Just because there is a market it does not follow that there needs to be a marketplace.

Not all human behavior is an art form. (National Endowment for the Arts aside.) Every minority that seeks public acceptance is hindered most by its members who are offensive. That certain fair is full of people who are studied and discussed in the medical literature.

When a minority feels that the rules of marriage should be changed to accept their specific combination, they have to confront the general opinion of what that combination is like and what it does for “completion.” The general opinion is guided by many sources of information, bias, and folklore. A certain fair or an attack on Mormons is not a force for change. It is reason to hunker down and keep things as they are.

If the publisher of porn gave millions to an orphanage, it does not change the taint of the source of the money. A fine man stealing from a thief to help the poor is great stuff in literature and movies. But the fine man is still a thief himself.

It is weak tea to argue that the ends justify the means. Unless you are a liberal. In which case you act on your unique sense of “justice” as the spirit moves you at a particular moment in time.

Everyone is pretty wound up about this issue. The religious right feel that their control of the populace is slipping and they’re fighting hard to protect their turf society has lost all perspective about why marriage is important to begin with. Humanity ignorance will win in the end…

There, fixed it for you.

And I didn’t even mention a certain Greek Island

First, Rusty. I’ve never been to the FSF, my (late) friend went there and if I’d known then what I do now, I’d have been abhorred. She was a good conservative Republican Wiccan and we felt like we were kindred spirits. The reason I ask if you’ll condemn the excesses of FSF is that, like it or not, it is a face of the gay community people see. Just as it’s a face of the leather community that people see. As social minorities, I feel we -must- take steps to denounce loudly and publicly such excesses, just as I denounce Fred Phelps as a nut job calling himself a Christian. Silence is not golden in this case. The ironic thing about this statement “Aberrant behavior is not something I truly seek out,” is that we do engage in aberrant behavior, you with other men, me with a flogger and a consensual partner. We may not call it aberrant but the word fits “differing from the normal or accepted way, esp. in behavior”
I’ve spent my life being different from the normal, not going to deny it.
Now as to the charities, to use the extreme example, Hamas builds schools. Now the point isn’t to compare the leather community to suicide bombers, the point is that it doesn’t matter that money’s going to good causes, it matters what they’re doing in raising the money.
NDT, please don’t lump rusty in with the arsonists and terrorist cowards doing those things. He may condone the FSF, it doesn’t mean that he plays Osmond records backwards looking for hidden messages.
V the K, here in the Midwest, we do “just get a hotel, or a private ranch or something, if they want to display their dysfunctional behavior.” For Ohio Leather Fest, we would rent out a hotel, or, if we couldn’t get the entire hotel, we’d post guards to keep the mundanes away from the event. My (now ex) wife and I kept the dungeon/playspace locked when we were away, at first to keep my stepson out, later to keep his friends out when they were legal (you think coming out to your family is hard, imagine explaining to your step-son why the ‘love cuffs’ he just bought for his girlfriend have safety releases).
Whew, that was long, and cathartic. Thank you Dan and Bruce, for letting me rant.

Okay, that’s a huge number. A couple of questions here, as I’m not sure what the answers are. First of all, are all of the attendants gay? How many of the ones that attend think it’s okay to bring children or to dress them up as sex slaves? How many of them actually saw children attend the fair, and did any of them at least report the presence of children? And the millions that do support FSF, how many of them support bringing children to the event?

As for the FSF organizers, they damn well should have age restrictions at the gates. Even if the event was cleaned up, it obviously shouldn’t have children.

There you have it. If you don’t believe in bringing preteen children to depraved bondage festivals, you’re “close-minded.”

Coming from a parent that apparently would bring children to the event, if he hasn’t already, I have little regard for that opinion.

So here are the beneficiaries of the 2008 FSF event. Again, if those who object to FSF want to attempt enacting some change, check with these beneficiaries about their concerns of accepting monies from FSF. It is also my understanding from reading the FSF website that these 501 3c organizations must submit an application to receive monies from FSF.

FSF Beneficiaries:

http://folsomstreetfair.org/fair-beneficiaries.php

The board of directors of Folsom Street Events has selected the following roster of 501(c)(3) organizations below as our 2008 beneficiaries. This list represents organizations from both our “Major” and “Supporting” beneficiary categories. If your organization missed applying for a 2008 grant, there is still time to apply to be a “Beverage Partner” for the 2008 season.

AIDS Emergency Fund
Asian & Pacific Islander Wellness Center
Community United Against Violence
Frameline
Healing Waters
Lyon-Martin Health Services
Pets Are Wonderful Support (PAWS)
Positive Resource Center
Project Open Hand
Quan Yin Healing Arts Center
San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus
Shanti Project
St. James Infirmary
Tenderloin Health
Transgender Law Center
Triangle Martial Arts Association

So here are the beneficiaries of the 2008 FSF event. Again, if those who object to FSF want to attempt enacting some change, check with these beneficiaries about their concerns of accepting monies from FSF. It is also my understanding from reading the FSF website that these 501 3c organizations must submit an application to receive monies from FSF.

Mixed feelings? What the hell is wrong with these people?

Father of two, John Kruse said it is an educational experience for children. He said there were conservative parents against having kids at the event.

“Those are the same close-minded people who think we shouldn�t have children to begin with,” he said.

There you have it. If you don’t believe in bringing preteen children to depraved bondage festivals, you’re “close-minded.”

Why can’t these people just get a hotel, or a private ranch or something, if they want to display their dysfunctional behavior? Why does it have to be an event on city streets.