You’ve been long accused of distortions and wild-assed misstatements

Possibly – by people like yourself. People who say nutty things, then I happen to dispute them or call them to account for what, yes, they did write. As here. I’m pleased to be your target; it means I’m doing it right.

Second, MM, and for the record: It is a fact that my comments have never yet had to be deleted from GayPatriot. Yours have. I have never had to be threatened with a ban. You were, on one occasion I was present for. Don’t make me dig up the old references on that; it won’t come out well for you.

I could see value in you stating that RR didn’t mean the states’ created the federal govt

No. I would never put that thought in RR’s mouth. Because IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT THAT THE STATES DID CREATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Now, when the States created the federal government, they ceded key elements of sovereignty to it. They made it clear that they were henceforth just members of a nation. The Constitution sets up the Supreme Court as the final judge of what is constitutional – and not the States. And the States acceded to that. So, once the Constitution was ratified by 9/13 States (though they eventually got 13/13), the States were made inferior to the federal government. The federal government is above the States. No one denies that.

But, as a simple matter of historical fact, it did takes the States’ consent to make that happen. The States appointed the delegates who wrote the Constitution – then gave the Constitution effect, by approving it and even suggesting revisions (some of which were incorporated into the Bill of Rights). Simple historical fact.

As for what you said, or didn’t say – It was pretty clear:

…RR up-ended history and the pre-Civil War concept of state nullification when he said “It is my intention to curb the size and influence of the federal establishment… All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government”.

Sounded like the Compact Theory revisited. Lincoln and Henry Clay were probably spinning in their tombs at that moment and John C Calhoun and Jeff Davis were high five’ing it low, sideways and underneath. “It took a hundred years, but one of us finally won.”

So, let’s see. Here is what the above “says” to any honest and reasonable reader – either explicitly, or by implication:

1) That Reagan got his historical facts wrong in claiming that the states created the federal government and not the other way. (Bzzzzzzzzzt. Reagan got his historical facts right. Check your history… the years 1787, 1788, 1789.)

2) That Reagan’s ideas on federal vs. State relations and reducing the size of the federal are tantamount to the Compact Theory. (A slander on conservatives, if there ever was one.)

3) That Lincoln would somehow disapprove of Reagan’s ideas… and that Calhoun and Davis would approve… putting Reagan, and his followers, morally or spiritually in the company of 19th-century slaveholders and secessionists (Calhoun and Davis).

If you now want to retract some of that, or apologize for mis-speaking or whatever, MM, that is fine. Do it. But, please at least **consider** doing it with a little more grace and honesty.

We could debate what RR wanted to accomplish and what he actually did accomplish in power, but that would require you to put aside the venom, quit wildly spinning the words of others out of context and stay on task. Something that you show no interest to date in approaching.

I get it.

Yeah, you did say that exact thing here by wildly distorting my point postulating that segments of RR’s inaugural speech would resonate with State Nullification advocates of the prior century… it wasn’t about “if you think govt has grown too big then you’re a states right loon”. I didn’t say that, you did, clueless. That’s why I think you need to get a clue and get a life, ILC.

Start reading for comprehension –that’s not “poison”, it’s just a hope I have for you. You’ve been long accused of distortions and wild-assed misstatements here of the words of others’… it’s a page from the antics of the lower case clan, CowBoyBob, gryphon and lots of others.

You still need to get a life, bub. And now you need to get a clue, eh?

You know, there are days you make Gryphon, raj and CowboyBob look logical and their antics seem mild in comparison. “Luckily” was referencing history and America’s good fortune… not RR’s skill set.

You got to get a life, bub.

And I love how some of MM’s little barbs are so often just senseless. Example of the latter: If you think the Federal government should be reduced in size and powers because it has grown too big since the Depression, well, now according to MM, you’re hardly better than Jeff Davis! a nullifying, antebellum Southern slaveholder! And hey, let’s gloss over the *inescapable, historical fact* that the States really did create the Federal government and not the other way around, in the years 1787-1789.

Sounded like the Compact Theory revisited. Lincoln and Henry Clay were probably spinning in their tombs at that moment and John C Calhoun and Jeff Davis were high five’ing it low, sideways and underneath. “It took a hundred years, but one of us finally won.”

Where I was sitting in the crowd, I also looked around when the Gipper was speaking about the “elites” in America running things and govt wasn’t capable of governing itself, let alone others… in front of me was the wealthiest man from Michigan with his kids and nannies, a few seats to my left was the 2nd wealthiest and his family, to my immediate right was a pack of Romneys… behind me was a slew of ivy leaguers and lifelong GOP leaders from Michigan, a gaggle of ex-Congressmen and business leaders… I wondered then which “elite” RR had in mind?

But it sounded good at the time, even though Reagan had more in common with Alexander Hamilton than with the nullifiers of the prior century. It sounded good and, as you’ve noted before, political propaganda is like cool FXs in movies… no substitute for plot or heavy lifting of reform. Luckily, RR embarked on some reforms and succeeded; he remade the political landscape for conservatives and the GOP… much like Obama might do for the liberals and Democrats.

Obama is none of these things. He is an empty suit, a tool to be used by liberals and left-wingers, and a man who doesn’t know who he is. He will struggle to be independent- he will struggle to make himself into something- but at his heart, he knows that he is a nothing, moving through history.

The left can’t understand anything that isn’t in cartoon form.

You also obviously did not know that Bill Clinton was part of a drug-smuggling operation in Mena, Ark. about the same time that this fictional depiction of Oliver North surfaced, huh?

Try again.

Regards,
Peter H.

Is there an even bus for kids too retarded to get on the short bus?

Reagan spoke to conservatives who understood his message and were energized by it. Liberals thought he was a dunce reading a script to a confederacy of dunces.

Obama speaks to liberals and they read whatever they want into his taffy pulling promises of eliminating facial hair on women and ending cavities. Conservatives see him as a charlatan peddling political snake oil who is after power and the keys to the treasury.

Conservatives still have to defend Reagan. Liberals build a wall of aura and myth around their messiahs.

The point is that Obama is not our Reagan and Reagan was not their Obama.

However, Obama is my Chance the gardner. Now that Chance the gardner has a ticket for “Being There” in the Oval Office, it will be interesting to see what bromides are scripted to come out of his mouth. It will also be interesting to see what Chance the gardner says all on his own.

I look forward to the fleet of buses parked in the portico. It will be a busy fleet with all the people who are going to be thrown under them.

Whereas Chairman 0 believes Our government doesn’t do enough, and doesn’t spend enough.

As Amity Shlaes points out in this article, Japan tried the Obama formula of massive “Big Dig” type infrastructure projects to revive its economy in the 1990′s. It was a miserable failure as Japan remained mired in recession for ten years, ran up massive public debt, and at the end had nothing to show for it but Bridges with $30 tolls each way, tunnels no one uses because air travel is faster, and a multi-billion dollar airport that’s sinking into the ocean.

Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t give up on our national airline/airport security with a half mil donation to the DNC.

Hopefully Obama won’t sell rockets and guns to Iran, or allow the CIA to get back in the drug trade…

Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t give the finger to gays on more than one occasion. Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t turn a blind eye to Islamo-fascist terrorists. Hopefylly Comrade Obama won’t be too busy banging Mary Jane Rottencrotch to protect the country. Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t directly enable NoKo’s nuclear ambitions. Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t directly enable the ChiComm’s nuclear ambitions and allow our nuclear secrets to be frittered away for campaign donations. Hopefully Comrade Obama knows what the definition of “is” is. Hopefully Comrade Obama doesn’t fudge the books and pull a proposed 10 year budget surplus out of his ass in the midst of his own recession. Hopefully he won’t pardon terrorists and fugitives for political and financial gain. Hopefully we’ll be allowed to know who funds his library and massage parlor. Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t tell SF to burn in hell when they request assistance and equipment necessary to carry out the missions he might send them on. Hopefully Comrade Obama won’t gut the military to the point they can’t afford bullets for training.

Shall I go on?

Of course:

I hope this is to your level!

Well why not? The liberals don’t have a problem with a known terrorist who has something in common with al-Qaeda to teach “America’s future”, why not let a liberal cartoonist “educate” the masses as well?

I know, instead of that candy ass Daschle, why not put Kennedy in for HHS and move Daschle over to the FAA?