Pajamas media asked me to write a piece on the brouhaha over President-elect Obama’s invitation to Pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inaugural next month. So, herewith a taste of my thoughts:
Like other gay Republicans, I have been amused by the brouhaha among gay activists, bloggers (and their allies on the left) over President-elect Obama’s choice of Pastor Rick Warren, a proponent of Proposition 8 which bars the state of California from recognizing same-sex marriages, to offer the invocation at his inauguration. Unlike some of my ideological confrères, I don’t see this as a sign that he has thrown his gay supporters under the bus.
Gay activists, however, are up in arms. In a statement responding to Obama’s selection of Warren, Darrel Cummings, L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center Chief of Staff, contended:
If President-elect Obama’s selection of Rick Warren to give his inaugural invocation is intended to send a message to America that he will be an inclusive leader, then he has clearly made a decision that the exclusion of the LGBT community is acceptable.
Excluding gay people? Hardly.
To read the rest, click here to read the rest over at Pajamas.
I particularly like the subhead they gave the piece: “Opposing same-sex marriage does not make Warren — or anyone else — bigoted or hateful.” Though if I had my druthers, I might have added the word, “necessarily,” between “not” and “make.”
I’m not angry. I’m too busy laughing at the idiots on the Left to be angry.
If it doesn’t make you “hateful” or “bigoted” (I disagree), then what does it make you? Principled? Some of the worst men in history were true to their principles, however perverse they may have been.
Gays are banned from his church unless they try to trick themselves into believing they are heterosexual (if they’re heterosexual then I’m a mongoose) and he believes Jews are going to hell for not being conned by the myth of Jesus being the son of God. There is nothing un-bigoted about that. And I don’t see why Melissa Etheridge is sucking up to this fat lunatic. Maybe it’s so she’ll have someone to defend her if she goes to jail for not paying taxes?
I laugh at the gay Obamunists who realize now what the rest of us suspected all along. To all of them let me say: I told you so.
The question is, how could Rick Warren so betray the prolife cause by blessing the inauguration of the most prodeath president ever?
Unless he includes in his prayer something about asking the Lord to grant Obama respect for all life from conception to natural death, I’ll be very disappointed in him.
And remember, some of the 4000 unborn babies aborted today would have grown up to be Gay.
nothing like a spotlight to have folk need to take a stand. . .
Warren’s Saddle Back church has modified its website and removed some of the homophobic statements.
again, Obama’s choice in bringing Warren to the ‘home’ of Americans through the inaugural process is brining the topics of glbt, homophobia, tolerance and even gay marriage to the tables and living rooms of America for this holiday season.
planned or not, Rick Warren is changing his tune
What we are seeing here is the tyranny of the minority and it isn’t pretty.
Used to be that the rules and traditions of the majority were all that mattered. With time came the recognition that not everyone was the same and America became a much more diverse interesting society.
Now the minorities want payback. It’s not enough to be accepted, one must celebrate and walk in lockstep with the whims of the minorities.
Despite the many advancements for the gay community in the last 30 years it just isn’t enough. It is either all or nothing right now. Here’s the thing – it will be nothing. The only hate I see these days is coming from Gay activists. It is as if the majority in this country had no right to have differing opinions from the gay agenda. Not only should the majority not be allowed to hold those views – they should be hidden from sight.
I agree with Dan, Obama is behaving like a leader. At his inauguration he is representing the many different ideas of our country. But no, for the Gay left it’s not enough to be included – everyone else must be excluded.
I just to chime in and say that I really, really hate your tone, GayPatriot. You bend over backwards to accommodate people that hate who you are and it really doesn’t sit too well with me.
I was so hoping that Obama would choose Jeremiah Wright for the religious aspects of the inauguration, that would indeed would show who and what Obama really is more than Rick Warren.
“With time came the recognition that not everyone was the same and America became a much more diverse interesting society.”
Which is EXACTLY why the “people who really love us but don’t act like it” are fighting us so strongly. They want your first sentence, desperately.
“The only hate I see these days is coming from Gay activists.”
Then you aren’t paying attention.
“It is as if the majority in this country had no right to have differing opinions from the gay agenda.”
The gay agenda? well aren’t you a good little parrot for the right. Do you also consider homosexuality a “lifestyle” that we choose because we’re intrinsically disordered? Oh, I left out words like depraved, abomination etc. The issue is not “differing opinions”, the issue is the attacks on our humanity. I know in the conservative world it’s not allowed to acknowledge this fact (or is it that you like it?) but it does.
“Not only should the majority not be allowed to hold those views – they should be hidden from sight.”
Oh, such drama! There are plenty of Evangelical pastors Obama could have picked that are not well known for there anti-gay sentiment (it’s not just about SSM). My personal feeling is that rather than being hidden from sight folks like Warren and the more extreme “christians” should be held up for all to see. Anyone who listens and reads what they have to say about us will soon realize the danger they represent to LGBT (and other selected minorities). And if you want to talk about “hidden from sight” LGBT folk are accused of “flaunting it” for simply acknowledging who we love. Not by all of course but certainly by those you are championing here.
Obama has the right idea, he just picked the wrong pastor.
“Despite the many advancements for the gay community in the last 30 years it just isn’t enough.”
Which would have taken 60 years if it wasn’t for the gay activists you despise so much. There are those that are taking things to the extreme, I don’t deny that but your oh so emotional defense of the poor victims of evil gay aggression is way off base. It’s not us that want the world to walk in lockstep but it’s hard to see that if that’s exactly what you are doing.
There absolutely has to be compromise but NEITHER side is willing to try.
2 things – adding to my response to Leah which may or may not be rescued from the spam swamp – Both sides in this issue are the aggressor and all of us are victims because of that – us being the whole country.
#5 – actually Wright would be a great choice – because the screeches of outrage would show who and what those screeching really are, and that’s a really ugly sight. It’s ok to speak foully against gays (with a bit of truth in what they say), but the fires of hell burn for anyone who speaks against white folk (with a bit of truth in what they say).
but the fires of hell burn for anyone who speaks against white folk (with a bit of truth in what they say).
Yes, because, as we know, “The US government caused AIDS as part of a plan to kill off black people” is such a truthful statement.
Even Obama was smart enough to recognize Wright was a hatemonger. Apparently gay liberals aren’t — probably because Wright’s fantasies about AIDS play into their own belief that it’s a government conspiracy meant to wipe out all gay people, and has nothing to do with promiscuity or irresponsible behavior in the gay community.
Meanwhile, adDave, there is ample evidence to show that the gay community has every plan to extend marriage to parent-child relationships, sibling relationships, and, quote, “households with more than one conjugal partner”.
Add to that the fact that the gay community considers sex with children seventeen years younger than they are to be normal and “common”, and that dressing toddler children and taking them to sex fairs is an “educational experience” that only the “close-minded” would oppose, and Warren’s point about pedophilia comes well into play.
It’s a pity that the gay community can’t renounce and condemn these people. But then again, that would require gay liberals to actually criticize the behavior of other gays, and that would be “intolerant”.
Why, show me exactly where things are even!
In 2000 in reaction to the lawsuits in Hawaii and Mass CA passed a simple law. Marriage is only between one (unrelated)man and woman.
Of course that was challenged in court, and four judges decided this law to be voided.
So along comes Prop 8 putting the same wording into the CA constitution – again the losers go to court.
Since when is that being the aggressor? When the Supreme court in CA made it’s ruling in May, I don’t recall any aggression. I didn’t see Church people marching in the Castro, or attacking old Lesbians.
Prop 8 passed with exactly the same percentage that got Obama elected as our president. Obama won by a landslide, but prop 8 only squeeked by because of a few Mormons. (can’t mention the black or hispanic vote can we?)
So please, stop playing the ‘everybody does it’ card. Sorry, the two sides are playing the game very differently here. And believe me, I’ll take a Pastor Warren – who does outreach to people with AIDS, many of them gay, any day over Reverand Wright.
For once, it is actually nice to see the President elect reach out to the majority in this country. I don’t belong to that majority – but I’d rather garner their favor than the fickle favor of a few upset minorities.
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With all the invective being hurled by teh ghey left, I have to wonder if religious gheys are feeling pressure to choose between their faith and their sexuality. If you really believe – as I do – that God puts tests and choices in front of us, this has got to be a tough one.
There you go again, NDT, lying and alibi-ing, singing that same old worn out song. I can’t hear you no more.
If you held heterosexuals to that same impossible standard, marriage would be illegal for them too.
I reject the Beyond Marriage statement. I condemn the Folsom Street Fair and all lewd public displays of sexuality. I don’t even like Gay Pride parades. Is that good enough for you?
What disappoints me is the willingness to view Obama’s choice as ‘leadership’. It’s the easiest thing in the world to attempt to mollify one’s opponents by throwing them a few cynical crumbs. Were I to think the very worst, I’d suspect the choice of Warren is to set up conservatives against one another: Those who can’t recognize an empty gesture and are grateful or admiring vs. those who will be upset with Warren for accepting the invitation and being part of the dog-and-pony show that supposedly sets the new administration’s tone. It may be Obama’s team is inoculating itself against future pastor eruptions. At any rate, I doubt this is a genuinely inclusive act.
Rick Warren was fair to Mr. Obama and they agree on more than they disagree. Problem is they agree on more than Mr. Obama and “his base”.
As far as I can tell there is MUCH confusion about exactly who the “base” is…….
Obviously Mr. Obama is not interested in their approval.
Everyday just gets more interesting.
I doubt we have still seen the real Barrack Obama.
jeb
I doubt we have still seen the real Barrack Obama.
I think we have.
Having studied his behavior, both pre and post election, I am pretty sure The One is merely a hand-puppet for a consortium of Democrat party operatives. These decisions… who gets into the cabinet, who to invite to the Coronation, using the Lincoln Bible at the Coronation … are made by others based on carefully calibrated political calculations… and The One then reads them off the TelePrompter.
NDT, notice that I didn’t say, imply or suggest that I agreed with Wright’s statements on AIDS. What you fail to see is that asking me to accept a hate monger from the right while you lynch one from the left is pure hypocrisy. And I don’t call Warren a hate monger for his stance on Prop 8.
I’m not sure why you address #8 to me since I didn’t mention marriage or families. But since the whole comment is basically your same old “damn the whole for the actions of a few” nonsense, I don’t much care.
#14 “are made by others based on carefully calibrated political calculations…”
right, and the Republican presidents have made all their decisions free of party influence and slimeball advisors who should be in jail.
Why is there so much smoke about the preacher giving the Invocation? Warren’s beliefs don’t exactly fall outside of the mainstream religions.
To paraphrase Rush, Warren can’t raise your taxes, throw you in jail, send you to war, take away your guns, censor the media, send the IRS after you, appoint judges who can impose their will on the nation regardless of the law, send the economy over the cliff, or add trillions to the national debt – all things that the President and the Congress CAN do.
#19: “…all things that the President and the Congress CAN do.”
And that’s just the first 100 days of his administration.
i’m willing to take accept your assertion that persons who are opposed to same-sex marriage are not (necessarily) homophones. but i’m not willing to give warren the benefit of the doubt–his comparisons of homosexuality to incest and polygamy seem plainly homophobic to me. conservatives would be apoplectic if obama chose rev. wright to deliver the invocation in spite of his apparent racist views, but they become apologists when confronted with warren’s homophobia. that’s too bad, because it seems to show how mainstream homophobia is in our country generally, and among conservatives in particular.
Ah, The perfect summary response to aDerangedDave’s cliched and predictable rants, expressed in LOL form.
Yes.
Again with the hysterical comparisons. The ranting and raging continues.
Ranting and raving means disagreeing with a pseudo-conservative.
Leah, my full response to your first post disappeared but it appears it’s just as well because you aren’t interested in anything you don’t already have in your head. If you see hate on only one side then you aren’t looking. If you are so impressed by Warren’s AIDS activities that you are willing to let his slime talk about us pass, so be it. The continued reference to Wright on here is pitiful – hate is hate whether it’s from the right or the left and ANYONE who compares us to pedophiles and the whole laundry list of the usual nonsense can ONLY be motivated by hate, even if the call it “love”. If they fool you, so be it. If Warren represents “the majority” then we are royally screwed, kiss his ass if it pleases you but realize you are digging your own grave. And you’re right, things aren’t even, because “the majority” has all the power and can do whatever they please to us with wild cheering coming from the “I’m gay but I’m not like them” crowd. I’m sure they appreciate having cheerleaders but it’s disgusting in my view. Screw it, this is futile.
#22: “i’m willing to take accept your assertion that persons who are opposed to same-sex marriage are not (necessarily) homopho[b]es.”
I’m sending this whopper into Laura Ingraham’s radio show for her “Lie of the Day” segment.
Gay Patriot, Warren is a poor choice by Obama. It only proves the reason that I didn’t vote for him. We still don’t know the real Obama.
#25: “Ranting and raving means disagreeing with a pseudo-conservative.”
Dear ADD,
I know I’ve asked you this before, but could you please stop hyphenating words with “pseudo” until you learn what it actually means and how to use it properly? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Yours In Christ,
Sean A
“I’m gay but I’m not like themâ€
Maybe the mainstream gay community needs to work on becoming something people aren’t ashamed to be associated with.
Actually, A Differently-Abled Dave,
ranting and raving, in this case, means comparing anyone who disagrees with gay marriage to Hitler, the Nazis, and “the worst men in history” or declaring that they hate gays or want to kill them all as you, Attmay and other idiots continually do, and as Attmay just did again.
easier than dealing with ones own delusions though, eh?
Yes, and theyve proven they are tolerant and wield that power well. FAR more trustworthy with power than the likes of you, Attmay, and the rest of the intolerant absolutist left.
SoCalRobert’s comment #20 got me thinking–this is yet another example of the hysterical gay left damaging its own cause due to their short-sighted narcissism. SoCalRobert is right: Warren is a spiritual leader and as such, has no power to grant or deny the gay left same-sex marriage, repeal DADT, enact ENDA, or take up any other item on the gay left’s ransom note…er…legislative agenda. Gays won’t have fewer rights after Warren’s invocation than they did before it. The same would be true even if Obama had chosen an “acceptable” religious leader for his inauguration.
So what this really boils down to is that the gays are outraged because THEIR FEELINGS ARE HURT. That’s it. The government has hurt their feelings and they want something to be done about it.
I’m sorry, now I’m totally confused. I thought this was all about RIGHTS. But no, turns out its about exactly what we all suspected: validation and government-endorsed acceptance.
NDT, notice that I didn’t say, imply or suggest that I agreed with Wright’s statements on AIDS. What you fail to see is that asking me to accept a hate monger from the right while you lynch one from the left is pure hypocrisy.
Ah, I see; you don’t agree with Wright at all, you think he’s totally wrong, but you believe that saying that in public and condemning Wright’s views as wrong constitutes “lynching”.
Not surprising; it’s no different than your claim that, while you oppose taking children to sex fairs, anyone who publicly criticizes gays who do so and condemns them as wrong is antigay. In both cases, you’re totally contradicting yourself, which makes it clear that you don’t really disagree with Wright OR gays who take children to sex fairs; you’re just upset when people point out the fact.
With all the invective being hurled by teh ghey left, I have to wonder if religious gheys are feeling pressure to choose between their faith and their sexuality. If you really believe – as I do – that God puts tests and choices in front of us, this has got to be a tough one.
You are right, V; either we go worship at the church of promiscuity that says we should say nothing and do nothing when gays take children to sex fairs, or we get called “traitors” and “heterosexual supremacists” by gays like Attmay.
Gays like adDave and Attmay have made it clear that you can’t be religious and gay, because being religious requires you to have a set of principles other than “everything that gays do is right, and anyone who criticizes a gay person in any way is a self-loathing homophobic bigot”.
With all the invective being hurled by teh ghey left, I have to wonder if religious gheys are feeling pressure to choose between their faith and their sexuality. If you really believe – as I do – that God puts tests and choices in front of us, this has got to be a tough one.
V the K, first of all, sexuality isn’t a choice, although acting on it is. If that’s what you meant, why is the choice more necessary now because of how you perceive the current actions of the gay left? Are the people you or other religious gays personally know going to condemn you for your sexuality even if you (and others) have made it clear that you believe certain behavior from the gay left is wrong?
I may be missing the point your making (which I know wouldn’t be the first time), but I found the statement curious.
NDT – are you really stupid or you just do a real good job pretending. Agreeing, or admitting there is truth in what a person says is NOT blanket approval of everything they say and vice versa. I disagree with much of what you say, but not all of it. Sometimes, whether accidental or not, you do say something that contains a hint of truth. And if I can find that in your words then I certainly can in Wright’s Re: your other vomit – being religious and gay should make one aware of the perversion of Christianity that is practiced by much of the right. being gay and rational should make one aware of just how deranged most of what oozes from your brain is.
Sean A – so sorry I must have missed that amidst your “liberals are the root of all evil” comments. In any event:pseuâ‹…do   /ˈsudoÊŠ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soo-doh] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.
2. almost, approaching, or trying to be.
And both meanings are exactly what I mean – many of you and the rabid right are fake, pretended, false conservatives, a sham. Maybe you need to learn what conservative really means.
#30 AE, maybe someone can give you some English as second language tapes for Christmas. It would change your world completely. I know that pseudo-conservative BS interpretation is enough to use with your cronies as you hide in your little world whining about liberals but when you peek out at reality you need to be more equipped than you currently are now.
It’s amazing how much you folks can completely miss the point and misrepresent everything that others say. You warp liberal’s words into the most negative and completely ignore the errors in what conservatives say (except those who step out of the acceptable dogma of the right wing).
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can’t wait for the new movie with S. Weaver. Prayers for Bobby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVcTCpKx3g
Bringing Pastor Warren to the Nation’s attention is just another catalyst for folks on both sides the opportunity for closer look in the mirror.
Maybe it is futile to try and explain. To the left, religion is, at best, treated like some sort of hobby. The moment a church becomes anything more than a social club, they lose their tolerance. If they can’t see beyond that, explaining this spiritual dilemma is like trying to explain market capitalism to Barney Frank.
ADD, you want to see hate, go see the movie: A Jihad For Love. then come back and tell me that Pastor Warren is the most hateful man around.
Or simply get hold of any newsreel from Iran these days and tell me who hates gays more. Those who want to preserve a 5000 year old tradition or those who hang and stone gays?
I’ll take Pastor Warren any day of the week, and I’m Jewish, something tells me that if he and Joe Solemense were both in a position to save me from drowning, Pastor Warren would be there a lot faster than Joe.
Meanwhile, all Warren is doing is giving a speech. The man who selected him for that job scares me a lot more. And if in any way Warrens prayers can have a positive effect on our incoming president – all the better.
#37 V that is true for SOME on the left. Others take their beliefs very seriously and live their lives accordingly. The issue with many churches on the right is that they think that THEIR religion should dictate how WE live. Any church that says that anti-homosexuality is a crucial foundation of Christianity has totally missed the boat. Any one is free to call us sinners etc. But comparisons to pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape on and on and on ALL of which some have done has NOTHING to do with religion. While that is certainly covered by the principle of free speech, we do NOT have to accept it or sit silent while they spread their filthy lies. Doing so is NOT anti-religion it is called self-respect! Bend over for the right if you choose but your constant attacks on left wing religious folk is as reprehensible as the slime tactics listed about.
Leah, I have never said Pastor Warren is the most hateful man around. I never implied it or suggested it so if you see that in what I said you hallucinated. Warren is actually less offensive than most of the others who are crusading against us. I am fully aware of how gays are treated in some of the Middle Eastern countries, it is disgusting, inhuman and uncivilized. It is also a perfect example of fanatic religion run wild and why the rhetoric of SOME of the conservative churches concerns me so much. You are correct, it is just a speech but can you honestly say that if it was Wright or the priest who echoed his crap (sorry can’t remember his name) or if it was a pastor who was also a holocaust denier/rabidly anti-Jew that you wouldn’t be offended? That was horrible sentence structure 🙂
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Maybe it is futile to try and explain.
V the K, I’d still be interested in the explanation. But if you’d rather not, no problem.
I did try to explain, but the filter ate it.
Leah, to adDave, Rick Warren praying for someone to change how they act on their sexual drives is the same as pushing a wall on them and crushing them.
That’s what disturbs me, the rampant destruction of the good in the quest for the perfect.
please remember Leah, that unlike your relationship with your son, there are many GLBT folk who don’t have family support.
many people ‘get stoned’ with silence, ostracization, ex-communication, and ignorance. it is sad
many people ‘get stoned’ with silence, ostracization, ex-communication, and ignorance. it is sad
It is always amusing for me to watch leftist gays like rusty and adDave complain about this sort of thing when the leftist gay community sees nothing wrong with telling religious and conservative gays to commit suicide or hoping that their children die.
In short, gay liberals are whining for sympathy while they themselves are verbally abusing, ostracizing, “excommunicating”, and silencing others who disagree with them.
Just chiming in to wish all the patriots here “Happy Holidays!”
I agree with V the K that to the Left, religion is only acceptable if it remains nothing more than a quaint hobby or charitable community organization that holds a few potlucks now and then. In other words, the Gay Left is fine with freedom of religion and Christianity as long as those who practice it don’t adopt any of its tenets regarding homosexuality. (They would be just fine with Christianity if it weren’t so “Christiany.”)
Their attacks on Warren and Obama’s selection of him for the invocation isn’t about hatred of gays or homophobia. It’s about demonizing Christians and anyone who doesn’t celebrate and approve of homosexuality. They can’t cope without universal validation, and since they will never get that, plan B is to attack people of faith and banish them to the margins of society. The problem with their plan is that it consists of a group of people who represent at most 3% of the US population trying to discredit and push almost 80% of our society to the fringe (over 75% of Americans identify themselves as Christian).
Considering those numbers, the fact that a bunch of gays getting their feelings hurt is the biggest story of the week is just another testament to how tolerant our nation truly is (and how intolerant and hateful the Gay Left is). It also proves what a numbskull ADD is when he starts shrieking about the evil Christian plot to exterminate, imprison or otherwise destroy the gays. If that’s the plan, then what on Earth are the (hundreds of millions of) Christians waiting for? Backup?
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Hey Leah,
You consistently make very thoughtful and purposeful comments! I appreciate that!
Tim
Merry Christmas Everyone!
Rusty, being ostersized by one’s family is awfull. Being dead is much worse. That is what the left doesn’t understand. I see many gradations of evil. Murder and torture are much worse than being denied a marriage license. Please tell me how getting a marriage license will help all those homeless gay teens who have been thrown out of their homes?
A Merry Christmas to all!
First Happy Holidays
Will allowing gay marriage help those unfortunate GLBT youth? Not sure.
If there is public face put on gay relationships, and young folk have role models and even advocates, maybe their lives will be less harsh.
To NDT, I am not sure if I can check all the boxes in the LIBERAL category, nor can I check the boxes in the Conservative category.
I do read, participate as a commentator here at GP and even sit back and chew on my tongue.
For those who know me personally, well, I am one of those people that most people like. I build bridges, have the ability to listen to different view points, and even at times advocate for the underdog. I am approaching my 46th birthday, so, I have seen some changes within the gay community.
Wiht My liberal tendancies, I have veered into the world of service. 3 years of working with Severely Emotionally Disturbed boys, most of them abused by famliy members, some by foster parents. I also have 6-7 years as a Court Appoinged Special Advocate, (Guardian ad Litem) and was selected to work specifically with children who were sexually abused. . .In addition to that work I have 16 years of working with young children, or as I refer to them as ankle biters. Infants and Toddlers.
My other great treasure in my life has been working in the HIV and AIDS arena for over 15 years. I have been an educator, triainer, advocate, fund raiser, and end of life (hospice) care giver. I have helped over 40 folk die and sat with 8 people through their last breath.
So I have two talents that I treasure. I help little folk start out life and I also help others as their lives come to a close.
As far as gay marriage, I can take it or leave it, personally. My partner and I are settled into our lives. I, like Dan, know of others in the GLBT community that honor the institution and I love to see them happy in their committments.
Giving those the same legal rights to protect family, property and prosperity. . .well doesn’t seem like such a big thing.
But for some, it seems like the end of the world , for as they know it.
Happy New Year
Rick Warren praying for someone to change how they act on their sexual drives is the same as pushing a wall on them and crushing them.
Um, I think Rick Warren actually prays that homosexuals not act at all on their sexual drives. Which is still not nearly as evil as killing homosexuals, but is nonetheless “evil,” in that he’s recommending something that’s spiritually unhealthy for the average person, including homosexuals — namely lifelong celibacy.
(Does anyone know how the spam filter actually works? I mean, are there ways to avoid pissing it off?)
Hmmm… apparently it has something to do with using the same vocabulary in two consecutive posts. (I was trying to clarify my point from #51, but the comment got done eated up.)
#51: “Um, I think Rick Warren actually prays that homosexuals not act at all on their sexual drives. Which is still not nearly as evil as killing homosexuals, but is nonetheless “evil,†in that he’s recommending something that’s spiritually unhealthy for the average person, including homosexuals — namely lifelong celibacy.”
Ladies and Gentlemen, that concludes our presentation on the liberal core value known as “moral relativism.” Tune in next week for Part 2 of our continuing series examining the inability to distinguish between right and wrong. Our topic will be “Christians and Prayer: constitutionally-protected religious expression? Or evil, spiritually unhealthy recommendations?”
Can’t get anything through the filter (except, of course, complaints about the filter).
Fr. Euteneuer:
at least 50% of my comments over the last week have disappeared. And some I considered recreating tonight since I have some time I’m not working. But after reading most of what is here #41 down I realize that everything I said in them is wasted. There is not ONE of the regular crew that comment that is at all interested in what I wrote. Because it would contradict their fantasies and they not be able to lie and accuse me and “liberals” of thinking things we simply do not. I also realize that it has nothing to do with conservative/liberal, Democrat/Republican or gay/str8 . A number of you are just bitter, miserable people who can find nothing better to do than to create horrible descriptions of people who have dared to question your “wisdom” Given that fact it would be a cruel thing to attempt to tear down your lies (as if it was even possible) because it would deprive you of the tiny amount of amusement you have. Leah, I believe if you actually had a chance to read my responses (accept for the one where I was really mad) you would realize that we are a lot closer in what we think. It might have been pleasant to actually discuss it. GPW, in my opinion you are an excellent blogger, you say what you believe in well reasoned and always polite ways. And there are certainly others who are able to see beyond their preset impressions of people and actually consider what they are saying. No need to single out the guilty, they know who they are because they’ve been told so repeatedly by by others. I truly hope in 2009 you are able to find your way out of whatever it is that makes you so disgusting – be it demonic, psychological or physical, and that you can take the time to consider exactly how unacceptable your words are to and about those who disagree with you. I’ve never asked anyone to change their political views and never will but those who cannot be civilized, cannot accept other’s viewpoints and cannot bother to even really try and understand what other’s believe, you need to change. You need to realize that it is that ignorance that divides, now political or religious views. It is that ignorance that causes violence and hostility in the world. And it is that ignorance that you show every time you repeat your lies about me and others you have set your sites on. Perhaps you’re different off line, I don’t know and actually I don’t care, except for I feel sorry for those who are forced to interact with you if you are the same as you are here. You represent the true danger to the survival of this country and the world, and likely would no matter where you were on the political spectrum I decided in church last night that subjecting myself to this nonsense daily is stupid. There can never be true discussion when some involved are simply unable to do anything but attack and it’s not worth the time trying to sift through it. So, may 2009 be a year of real change in the USA, someone’s campaign slogan aside, it’s the people that can make it happen – people of faith, atheists, agnostics and those who don’t even think about religion – together. If the USA changes, then we have a chance of influencing the world, if we cannot find a way to work together then we have nothing so say worth hearing.
Wow! I guess even a broken watch is right twice a day!
You mean like accusing people of wanting to commit mass murder?
Like you were repeatedly told in this thread?
That’s what I love about you Dave, so consistent! You might try a little of your own prescription.
And the logical conclusion one must draw from such a statement is that you wont be coming here anymore!
What a perfect Christmas present!
AE,
Logic != adDave.
He projects his own hatred and self loathing onto others. He equates praying for GBLT to go straight to pushing walls down on them and crushing them.
No, I fear logic and compassion are not adDave’s forte.
“He equates praying for GBLT to go straight to pushing walls down on them and crushing them.”
Excellent example to prove how some of you think. Nothing I ever said would lead someone to believe I think that unless they had already come to false conclusions based on what some other liar has already assumed.
AE – “What a perfect Christmas present!” it’s true, I woke up before the sun yesterday and asked myself what I could do that would make you happy – and that seemed like the perfect answer. But the compassionate thing would be to stay here and continue to try and teach you the error of your thinking. So. should I make you happy (that’s sounds awfully liberal) or should I keep trying, no matter how harsh I have to be, to help you (that’s the conservative way right?). If I really cared I would choose the second of course and if I just wanted to make myself feel good I would choose the first. Such a dilemma. WWNDTVtKAED? that’s the question. 🙂
Actually, adDave, the more you stay around, the more we can point to posts like your #62 to demonstrate the problem with liberalism: their complete and utter belief that they are always right and that everyone else around them is wrong.
The thing is NDT, that’s simply not true. I have no illusions that I am always right – but I do know what I say and what I mean by it and what you and others claim that I said is BS. And I do know that every time you and your cronies make gross generalizations about people you don’t like that you are wrong and ignorant. You want to speak against FSF, have at it; quote someone who approves it, have at it; but you cannot with any integrity claim that ALL liberals or even MOST liberals fit your description of them. You want to disagree with my opinions about fanatic right wing religion – go for it, but putting words in my mouth and refusing to accept what I really said is beyond contempt. There are some who comment here that thing they are always right but it’s the ones like you, not me that do it. Of course, I’m wrong no doubt. #62 doesn’t even begin to suggest I think I’m always right, what is says is that you will not only refuse to see that you might be wrong but you can do nothing but ridicule and insult those who disagree. Apparently it gets you off and as a liberal I certainly wouldn’t stand in the way of that right? So please make yourself ecstatic, but watch out for your keyboard.
I hereby nominate this for Most Clueless Statement of 2008:
And I do know that every time you and your cronies make gross generalizations about people you don’t like that you are wrong and ignorant.
Reason why: adDave is speaking out against “gross generalizations” in the same sentence as his insistence that “every time” we are “wrong and ignorant”.
Sean A says:
Were you saying that MY post (#56) embodied “moral relativism,” Sean? If so, I wish you’d elaborate.
Because NDT, I’m not generalizing. Any who really wanted to a waste the time doing it could go through and see that what I’m saying is based on fact. The concept of “some” doesn’t exist in your vocabulary. Oh wait, you might possibly have acknowledged that some on the right wing fringe can be wrong.
Any who really wanted to a waste the time doing it could go through and see that what I’m saying is based on fact.
Yes, because we know liberals consider checking sources to be a “waste of time” and instead prefer that people go on what said liberals say instead.
but NDT, in this case you are the source of the gross generalizations so no one has to look very far.
Oh, poor baby! Waaahhhhhhh!
Ask yourself this question sometime: “Can I (ADD) really blame them?” I mean: Come on, just look at the noxious garbage you spew.
But notice, AE and all, how ADD stops short of either making or keeping such a resolution. Gutless.
ADD, let’s make this perfectly clear: If your claims about the people here were true, there would be NO POINT WHATEVER in your coming here and saying anything. Each re-appearance you have made, in this and other threads, testifies to your claims’ untruth and your weakness.
#73 ILC, it is not MY loss when y’all ignore what I say. I know that you are going to reap the results of what you have sown and that the payment will be extracted by those who you deny have hostility towards you. I know what their goal is, you sneer at any who try to open your eyes. I know that the left is quite often wrong, you lick the bottom of the right wing’s shoes and beg for scraps from the table while chanting hymns to their perfection. Reading what flows on here is sort of like witnessing a train wreck, it defies imagination, it seems to hideous to be real and it produces nausea but it can be difficult to look way, I keep hoping that I’m not really seeing what I do. Plus I’m curious, how low would you folks go in your attacks on those who disagree with you – seems to be no limit yet. How many lies can some of you parrot before a fellow “conservative” has the balls to call you on it – no limit here either. Lastly, how much sh*t can the toxic right deposit on the heads of LGBT folk before even one of you can say – they’ve gone too far? To date it truly appears that excrement is your favorite meal. Bon appetit
I know that you are going to reap the results of what you have sown and that the payment will be extracted by those who you deny have hostility towards you.
I love how adDave is so capable of condemning religious and conservative people for what he says they are going to do to gay people, but is utterly and completely incapable of condemning gay people who have promiscuous, disease-spreading sex, who are dressing children as sexual slaves and take them to sex fairs, and who are attacking and vandalizing religious people and churches.
I know what their goal is, you sneer at any who try to open your eyes.
We know, adDave; you’ve already said that the goal of religious and conservative people is to execute all gays.
yup AE, us F*gs are lower than dirt. still looking forward to your final solution eh? and your fan club will cheer as each one of us lowly qweers get what we “deserveâ€.
#75 Gee, I don’t see me saying I condemned religious or conservative people. Why, because I am capable of realizing something you can’t. NOT ALL religious or conservative people are hostile towards us or speak of violence. Also, despite your continued delusion – I have written against the extremes of FSF and promiscuity. The big difference between us is I don’t consider myself superior to anyone else thus I don’t condemn anyone. Yes, I am totally opposed to the words and actions of those who hate us and will continue to speak out against them. Condemning the people doing it is not my job.
The big difference between us is I don’t consider myself superior to anyone else thus I don’t condemn anyone.
Now that’s the best one I’ve heard all day.
Furthermore, adDave, here’s your challenge: criticize the gay people who have promiscuous, disease-spreading sex, who aredressing children as sexual slaves and take them to sex fairs, and who are attacking and vandalizing religious people and churches in the same language that you use to criticize those religious and conservative people who you say ARE GOING TO harm gays — which would include calling them bitter, miserable, filthy, lying, sick, disgusting, perverted, revolting, nauseating, psychologically disturbed, demonic, mentally ill, ignorant, fanatic people.
In other words, attack what gay people are actually doing in the same way that you attack religious and conservative people for your imaginary fantasies about what they’re going to do.
“include calling them bitter, miserable, filthy, lying, sick, disgusting, perverted, revolting, nauseating, psychologically disturbed, demonic, mentally ill, ignorant, fanatic people.”
Actually NDT, those are words I’ve used to describe you and your lying cronies. Let me borrow a statement from my fundie friends “I don’t condemn you, your own behavior does, your choices do” Until you understand that nothing will ever change, but the thing is you don’t think you need to so whatever.
As far as your command for me to condemn, I’ve covered that before.
I call bullsh*t. (Yes, it is your loss. You’re pathetically dependent on what you perceive as your audience here.)
No, ADD, sorry – you don’t know me, so you won’t be able to hunt me down and punish me as you might like. Again, your loss.
I call bullsh*t. (When have I ever denied anyone’s hostility toward me, where that hostility was real?)
Oh, please tell. (Is this another reference to your mythical gay “final solution”?)
I call bullsh*t. (When have I ever sneered at anyone offering me GOOD new information? Of which you’ve consistently had none.)
I call bullsh*t. (When have you ever said, on the GP blog, that the Left was wrong about something?)
I call bullsh*t. (As a longstanding NON-conservative advocate of gay rights and gay marriage and human freedom generally, when have I ever done any of that? LOL 🙂 This is like shooting fish in a barrel.)
I call bullsh*t. (First, if that were true, there would be NO POINT WHATEVER in your coming here. Second, yes, your comments are a train wreck – so, ADD, you’ve directed your ire to the wrong person. Again.)
I call bullsh*t. (ADD, you are one of the most incurious commentors I have seen on this blog.)
I call bullsh*t. (I routinely call people on lies as I see them. Lately, ADD, they’ve been 98% yours.)
I call bullsh*t. (I’ve taken exception with excessive slams on gay people on many occasions. Why, I believe that in one very recent thread, I even directly uttered the words, “Rick Warren is a bigot”, then gave my reasons.)
I call bullsh*t. (Once more, ADD, you are talking about yourself as you cast about your insane insults and projections. Have the guts to admit it.)
So, all of which brings us back to what I said earlier:
Iran made a point of executing 10 on Christmas Eve:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/28/iran-hangs-ten-on-christmas-eve/
Were convicted gays among them? I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
“you lick the bottom of the right wing’s shoes and beg for scraps from the table while chanting hymns to their perfection”
ILC, most of what I said in that comment was not to you specifically but to the whole choir of denial and drool. The above statement in particular most certainly does not apply to you.
I never suggested that I was going to hunt anyone down, and if you truly read it that way than you have been infected with the same disease as others on here. Even if I wanted to there would be no need, the masters that these folks are serving will take care of it. Ignoring me is a far better thing than taking what I say, making it unrecognizable and the pissing on it. My frustration comes from most of it being lost, what is done with the information after is meaningless to me. You owe it to yourselves, not me, to see the truth in it. Speaking of truth, I have often said things negative about the left and positive about the right. Perhaps is less time was spent on who said it and more on what was said you would know that.
At any rate, this blog isn’t about me so any more astute analysis of all my flaws is wasted, I won’t respond to it. I know that some take bizarre pleasure in senseless and false attacks on me and all liberals so I wouldn’t want to deprive them of that, just realize that you’re masturbating in the mirror and shooting blanks.
ILC, most of what I said in that comment was not to you specifically but to the whole choir of denial and drool. The above statement in particular most certainly does not apply to you.
And once again, adDave tries to lie his way out of his problems.
#73 ILC, it is not MY loss when y’all ignore what I say. I know that you are going to reap the results of what you have sown and that the payment will be extracted by those who you deny have hostility towards you. I know what their goal is, you sneer at any who try to open your eyes. I know that the left is quite often wrong, you lick the bottom of the right wing’s shoes and beg for scraps from the table while chanting hymns to their perfection.
In short, he starts the entire quote by referring specifically to ILC, then tries to deny that he ever meant any of it to apply to ILC.
NDT, exactly. Anyone with eyes can see that ADD #74, which I responded to, was addressed to me. Now he’s trying weasel tactics. His mentality is apparently as follows: “‘Final solution’ may be a Nazi reference to absolutely every reader in the world, but after the fact, I’m going to claim I meant something different. ‘You’, ‘you’ and ‘you’ may be references to ‘you’ to absolutely every reader in the world, but after the fact, I’m going to claim I meant something different.” Pathetically dishonest.
As for this:
Well ADD, here is what you said:
In other words, you expressed satisfaction at the thought of me receiving or “reaping” some sort of expected negative results. (Which is a hostile thought, BTW.)
Now, I will admit that, at that point, I did some creative interpretation. I wanted to think of a way in which your quote could have some sort of real-world application. The only thing I’ve “sown” here is calling you on your B.S. And the only conceivable results of that which might be negative for me in the real world is if you were going to take it on yourself to be the agent of those results, i.e., of my ‘punishment’. (Which, again, you fortunately have no power to do.) So yes, I made that creative leap.
(continued) Consider it withdrawn.
And again I am overwhelmed with gratitude to NDT and ILC for telling me what I really meant not what I thought I meant. While it is a bit creepy that you have access to my thoughts it’s oh so helpful to have them clarified for me. While you’re in there can you help me with a work problem I’m having right now 🙂
You might look at the first sentence. I did indeed open the comment addressing ILC because he so graciously helped me see what a terrible person I am. Then I used y’all, meaning “you all”. Since I said that y’all ignore what I say it is clear that what follows is addressed to those doing the ignoring. But as I said before, you know better than I what I mean so I’m surely “pathetically dishonest”
and yes I realize that by posting the above comment I contradicted my statement that I wouldn’t respond to your “astute analysis of my flaws”. more pathetic dishonesty I guess.