Gays Un-Heart Obama
Boo, hoo, hoo.  The Gays(TM) are unhappy with the Messiah, says the Washington Blade this week.
Gay leaders are assailing President-elect Barack Obama for inviting a pastor who supported California’s ban on same-sex marriage to speak at his inaugural festivities and for filling his Cabinet without nominating any openly gay officials.
While the Warren invite received significant media attention, Obama also took flak for filling his Cabinet without nominating an openly gay person.
Chuck Wolfe, executive director of the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, criticized Obama in an interview with the Blade last week for failing to make a major gay appointment in his administration.
“As we talk about either keeping or renewing America’s promise, which the president-elect has been talking about, apparently it does not yet extend to gay and lesbian people in the Cabinet of the president,†Wolfe said.
Additionally, Obama announced last week that Karen Mills, a venture capitalist and a founding partner of the New York-based equity firm Solera Capital, would head the Small Business Administration. The Blade reported earlier this month that Obama was considering for the position Fred Hochberg, a gay man and former deputy and acting administrator of the SBA under President Clinton.
Wolfe said Obama’s decision “sure is disappointing†in part because during a meeting with the transition team earlier this month, gay activists were told they would be happy with the president-elect’s appointments.
An Obamaniac insider responds to The Gays(TM):Â Get Over Yourselves.
Last Friday, Obama insider and spokeswoman Linda Douglass called Frontiers News Editor Karen Ocamb out of the blue, telling the longtime lesbian journalist that gays need to see the “big picture” when it comes to the Rick Warren invitation.Â
Ocamb wrote about the conversation for the Huffington Post last night, and after reading the piece, you get the distinct impression that Douglass and her boss, President-elect Barack Obama, refuse to understand why gays are so upset these days. The arrogance on display is simply mind-boggling.
The only bright spot about the Warren/Obama controversy, which I’ve mentioned before, is that now we know where we stand with the new administration before it has even taken over the White House. As of today, Obama has told us by his actions, gays will not stand in the way of his political agenda–no matter how valid the argument.
I wonder… if The Gays(TM) get too disruptive against the New Messiah — will they be fed to lions?
I’d like to start a clock, beginning on Jan. 20, which counts the days in which the full Democratic Government failed to overturn Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.  It’d be fun, eh?
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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Gay activists aren’t the only ones who dislike Warren though. Religious conservatives are just as critical:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6182577.html
As for gay activists blindly following Obama only to realize how stupid they were, this is only the beginning. The noise from Dems on “delaying” the repeal of DADT is increasing:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/26/7658
The Dems are lying cowards, plain and simple.
Comment by John — December 27, 2008 @ 12:29 pm - December 27, 2008
Let me make sure I got this. Even top liberal insiders are telling gay lefties point-blank that the latter need to get some perspective. Ah-huh.
Comment by ILoveCapitalism — December 27, 2008 @ 1:30 pm - December 27, 2008
DADT won’t be overturned by this president. You can start the clock, it will run for 4 years, lets’ hope that’s all he gets.
Comment by Leah — December 27, 2008 @ 1:52 pm - December 27, 2008
I’ve long wondered how the libs will govern a country they’ve worked so hard to Balkanize. I figure it will be messy.
The Coronation isn’t for another four weeks and already the Quota Queens are up in arms.
Comment by SoCalRobert — December 27, 2008 @ 2:11 pm - December 27, 2008
Teh Ghey left should wise up: The Democrat Party owns teh Ghey vote; not the other way around.
Comment by V the K — December 27, 2008 @ 2:24 pm - December 27, 2008
I was recently banned from the Independent Gay Forum. I’d like to believe it is possible to have homosexual attractions and also have a Christian faith and moderately conservative politics. Because I identify as a Christian first, I support Rick Warren over his gay critics. I think the best way to reach people like Warren is to not slander them or throw rocks at their church, but demonstrate with our actions that men can love other men in lifelong, sexually monogamous relationships which are blessed by God. I am also glad that Obama is as cynical as I am about the gay powerbase. I don’t want people nominated simply because they’re gay. I don’t think there are many openly gay people who demonstrate the life of integrity I would like from public officials. I am glad he is looking for something other than mere sexual orientation, but a dedication to selfless public service which does not seem to be part of the self-serving, narcississtic HRC’s creed.
There you go. I have little good to say about the visible gay community. I think this is a good site. Let’s see how long it takes for me to get banned.
Comment by Ashpenaz — December 27, 2008 @ 6:23 pm - December 27, 2008
If you’re already as disillusioned with Obama as I am, tell the world how you feel:
http://www.cafepress.com/Disillusioned_O
Comment by pyxbiz — December 27, 2008 @ 6:27 pm - December 27, 2008
“I’ve long wondered how the libs will govern a country they’ve worked so hard to Balkanize. I figure it will be messy.” My sentiments exactly! And it WILL be messy. Buckle your seatbelt.
Comment by Seane-Anna — December 27, 2008 @ 6:33 pm - December 27, 2008
Maybe Obama can appoint McCain as Minister of Explanations and Reacher Across the Aisle. It would be McCain’s job to come forth and explain how the Bush years so poisoned the well that the Messiah can not deliver until fundamental cures are effected and secured in place. He could even lay the groundwork for a fourth term.
Comment by heliotrope — December 27, 2008 @ 6:58 pm - December 27, 2008
Leah: I don’t know about DADT, but barring some great political catastrophe Obama will be re-elected in 2012. I take no pleasure in predicting this, but the GOP will not be able to put Humpty-Dumpty back together in time nor will they be able to siphon off enough voters to take back the White House that quickly. We’re in for the long haul on this one.
Congress is a different matter entirely.
Comment by John — December 27, 2008 @ 7:57 pm - December 27, 2008
A clock? Cute. For the Republicans you’d just need some sort of alert system to signal if hell had frozen over.
Comment by Erik — December 28, 2008 @ 12:48 am - December 28, 2008
And there, John, we have the example of why Democrats act like this; they know that literally, no matter what they do, there will always be gays there to make excuses and spin for them.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 28, 2008 @ 2:32 am - December 28, 2008
Leah,
I suspect Obama actually will repeal DADT. If polls are to be believed, a healthy majority of Americans support it now, which theorhetically means there’s no downside.
As far as Obama getting re-elected, I’m not as sure as John. One thing I agree with Biden on is that Obama is going to face major foreign policy tests — I suspect more than one. I hope I am wrong, but I expect Russia to move on Georgia and Ukraine. It would not surprise me if the Chinese make a move on Taiwan, Chavez wants very much to expand his influence in South America, and there’s always Iran. Nor is it coincidence that these thugs have been meeting with each other a lot. They are certainly plotting, perhaps even coordinating. Scary stuff may very well be just round the bend, how Obama responds will in large part determine his tenure.
Then there’s the domestic agenda: socialism, socialism and more socialism. If he follows through on his promises and proposals, he will worsen and prolong the recession, which will bode very ill for his re-election.
BUT, the third variable in the equation is Republicans and how they respond. If they display the same staggering ineptitude and cowardice they did in the last campaign, Obama stands a good chance of being re-elected no matter how bad things get. After all, if recent history is any guide to future performance, Obama will simply claim its still all President Bush and the Republican’s fault, and Republicans will cower in fear, afraid to correct the record.
If, on the other hand, the GOP can grow a pair, and can manage to hold Obama and the Democrats accountable to the people, they stand a very good chance of making major gains in 2010, and retaking the White House in 2012.
One other factor, I don’t know the last time the country returned three presidents to a second term in a row. I suspect “change” will STILL be the mantra in 2012, and on that note, I suspect Dems will be working very hard to ensure a right of center third party candidate runs in 2012.
Comment by American Elephant — December 28, 2008 @ 5:52 am - December 28, 2008
Chairman 0 is up to, what, two and a half scandals and he’s not even inaugurated yet? Maybe the MSM strategy of gushing about The One’s pecs will woo back teh gheys.
Comment by V the K — December 28, 2008 @ 7:57 am - December 28, 2008
NDT, don’t forget, it’s not just change, it’s Hope.
Comment by V the K — December 28, 2008 @ 7:59 am - December 28, 2008
And my comments are going where …. ?
Comment by rightwingprof — December 28, 2008 @ 8:36 am - December 28, 2008
I love this. Now you guys are complaining that progressives can tell other progressives that they screwed up. Tell ya what…when you spend one tenth the energy telling your own leaders that they screw up on gay issues AS A RULE, then you’ll have the high ground. Until then, blow it out your asses.
Comment by DCPoster — December 28, 2008 @ 9:24 am - December 28, 2008
Were gays to represent Kinsey’s false 10% assertion, you can be sure Team Obama would have made the commensurate appointment and with much ballyhoo. Perhaps they figure their appointments will cover the Venn token diagrams, i.e. appealing to race and gender rather than orientation, thereby satisfying the need to represent while not offending those silenced Democrats who don’t support gay marriage, overturning DADT, etc.
Comment by Ignatius — December 28, 2008 @ 10:26 am - December 28, 2008
One other factor, I don’t know the last time the country returned three presidents to a second term in a row.
I found this so intriguing, since I couldn’t recall the answer myself, that I went and looked it up. The answer is that this happened only once in our history. The 3-in-a-row two-termers are Thomas Jefferson, James Madison & James Monroe.
I still say though that barring some catastrophe Obama will be re-elected in 2012. He’s the first black president and that’s powerful symbology in the eyes of many. Eh, we shall see.
Comment by John — December 28, 2008 @ 10:31 am - December 28, 2008
DCPoster,
It least the conservatives here don’t have their heads up their asses like you do.
No, stupid. The people here are enjoying the arguing amongst the lefties.
Wrong again. The Dems can have the high ground (on gay issues) when they do more than promise what they have no intention of delivering.
Comment by Classical Liberal Dave — December 28, 2008 @ 10:50 am - December 28, 2008
Your point, Erik?
I don’t recall the Republicans making a lot of noise about repealing the ban.
Comment by Classical Liberal Dave — December 28, 2008 @ 10:53 am - December 28, 2008
DCPoster, it’s more telling that the left gives The One a total pass on his associations with unrepentant terrorists, with preachers who hate America, and with sleazebags like Tony Rezko and Rod Blagojevich… but they totally get their p-a-n-t-i-e-s in a wad when Obama associates with a C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n minister.
Comment by V the K — December 28, 2008 @ 1:47 pm - December 28, 2008
I just read Karen Ocamb’s column. Here’s a quote:
“In case you haven’t heard, there’s been something of a firestorm from LGBTs over the choice.”
She’s referring to the choice of Rick Warren. What got me is the talk of “a firestorm from LGBTs.” There are no LGBTs! You can’t be a homosexual woman (L) and a homosexual man (G) at the same time, nor can you be homosexual and bisexual at the same time. What is wrong with these people?
Comment by Classical Liberal Dave — December 28, 2008 @ 1:50 pm - December 28, 2008
I may be wrong, but here’s why I don’t think Obama will win again. All the black voters who never voted before - won’t come back next time around.
Obama can’t keep a tenth of his promises, and many of those people will find that it is their own hard work that makes the difference, not having a black man in the White house.
It is true that the Republicans need to grow some balls, and every so often they manage to do so.
As to DADT, more Americans are open to the idea, as they are to Gay marriage. But the democratic party is a party of minority groups. All other victim groups do not stand with gays, although the gays tend to support them. So unless Obama is more brilliant than I thought, and is willing to go out on a limb against especially the blacks. I don’t see it happening.
On another note, two of my nephews are in the IDF and are stationed on the border with Gaza, awaiting orders to enter with their tanks. For all of you who pray, please pray for the safety of Ahikam and Avi along with the rest of the brave Israeli soldiers.
Thank you so much.
Comment by Leah — December 28, 2008 @ 1:58 pm - December 28, 2008
Spam block again, so I’m retyping.
Here’s my reason for why Obama might not win again in 2012. All those first time voters that got caught up in Hope and Change - aren’t coming back next time. Unlike the gay and the Jewish communities that have signed their pacts with the Devil no matter what. The Blacks will find that having a black man in the White house won’t be such a radical change, and they will have to do the hard work on their own.
It is true, the Republicans need to grow a pair, I have no idea if they will or not, one can always hope - oops wrong word.
As to repealing DADT, it makes a lot of sense, there is much less opposition to it now. But will Obama be willing to anger the other minority groups? I don’t think so. This issue is sort of like moving to the embassy to Jerusalem. Every single presidential candidate makes that promise to the Jews. If ever they fulfilled that promise, what else would they have to dangle in front of the Jews each election cycle? Same goes for DADT.
On another note, two of my nephews are in the tank corps in the IDF. They have both been called to the border with Gaza. For those of you who pray please pray for Achikam and Avi along with all the brave Israeli soldiers who once again - are fighting for life, democracy and normal life in Israel.
Thank you very much.
Leah
Comment by Leah — December 28, 2008 @ 2:19 pm - December 28, 2008
They have my prayers and my hopes Leah
Comment by The Livewire — December 28, 2008 @ 2:45 pm - December 28, 2008
Leah, Our prayers go with your family.
I won’t predict anything…except I am sure that Nobama, as Marxist in Chief and the Brown Shirt Fascist Thugs from Chicago will do all they can to get him re elected in 2012.
It will depend upon the old saying “it’s the Economy Stupid”…will govern who wins in 2012.
As to DADT, repeal of DOMA, enactment of ENDA and Hate Crimes Legislation…not likely….we didn’t get it with Billary and we won’t get it with Nobama….who is a homophobe and bigot….when you even read that in the Huffington Post today that is a statement…but then again, we all know that and knew that….
at least 30 percent of our community knew what Nobama is…..he will continue to throw us under the bus again and again and again.
time will tell what happens in 2012.
now, instead of getting pissed off, time to get busy and get going and grass roots and local activities….time we act instead of bitch.
honestly, I would rather we work on local level and state issues and the more there are civil unions at the state level, then equality of rights will follow.
I do believe DADT will fall of its own weight as we need a smarter, better, larger military.
I count on nothing from Nobama as he takes a play out of the Billary play book and triangulates for 4 years so he can get re elected.
Comment by Rocket — December 28, 2008 @ 4:19 pm - December 28, 2008
Well the spam blocker got my comments again.
First of all, Leah, my prayers go out to you and your family during this trying time.
As to the rest, time will tell and one thing I am betting is Nobama won’t do a thing for the GLBT community except take the lemmings in our community money.
For once there is an article in the Huffington Post that I agree with about its time to get Mad as Hell and do something.
organize at the local level, come out to our families and friends if we are able to (safety first) and build coalitions..the dummies on the Left forgot that it takes a broad coalition of conservative, moderates and liberals to work together..
stop the name calling that liberals use against conservatives and join hands, and work on common goals….one would be DADT and that will probably take 10 plus years.
work on building coalitions on the local level and build from there. the states decide marriage issues….time we build consensus to get the statutory rights and live our lives as regular every day folk and then our neighbors and so on see we are not the
Devil incarnate and build from there.
Stop whining and start working. It is dumb to connect ourselves to one party and work the local levels up and issues and consistency….the civil unions of Vermont could have become main stream by working Legislatures in many states…build from there and then work on federal statutory rights since the “laboratory of experiments..the states would prove that we aren’t destroying str8 marriages” and we conduct ourselves responsibly. Heck, I bet even our rates of dissolution of civil unions would be low and we can then say ok, time to provide us with the same federal statutory rights as str8 couples..again, call it civil unions…..Golly, offer civil unions to str8 couples..as long as its the same rights.
it is a far better approach.
instead we have looked like fools instead of acting like adults and taking action and working harder….stop whining and get to work..the leftits just put their heads in the sand and throw sand instead of standing up and getting to work.
Comment by Rocket — December 28, 2008 @ 4:42 pm - December 28, 2008
oops..that is leftists..sorry for the typo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-quigg/what-would-obama-do-if-ob_b_153794.html
the above is the link to the story that was posted in the huffington post
Comment by Rocket — December 28, 2008 @ 4:46 pm - December 28, 2008
Thanks for looking that up. The reason it has only happened once is because re-election is the exception, not the rule, in presidential politics. Doesn’t make it impossible, only statistically unlikely. I suspect, much to Obama’s chagrin, that “change” will still be the mantra in 2012.
Well, I don’t know that I disagree with you, I guess it depends on how you define catastrophe. The thing to remember is that Liberalism not only doesn’t work, but it makes things worse. History proves over and over again that liberalism causes catastrophe — our current economic mess not least among them. I think Obama is going to have many catastrophes, many of them self-induced.
Another factor is the mid-terms. If Republicans are able to take back control of either house, Obama will have someone to scapegoat in 2012. That will help him if things go poorly, but only to a point, and only if Republicans cant get their act together in opposition. On the other hand, it will help him if Republicans do take control and turn things around as it helped Bill Clinton in the 90’s. But if Democrats retain control, Obama will have nowhere to shift the blame.
Comment by American Elephant — December 28, 2008 @ 7:35 pm - December 28, 2008
The Blacks will find that having a black man in the White house won’t be such a radical change, and they will have to do the hard work on their own.
Yet an overwhelming majority vote Democrat every election cycle and will continue to do so in 2012, barring something REALLY major. The GOP will need a LOT more time than 4 years to repair that breach and siphon off enough votes from the black & Hispanic communities. I do not see that happening while Obama is in the White House. Some may come to realize that Obama isn’t what they thought he would be, but the GOP remains an unacceptable alternative - especially against the first black president. The DNC and MSM, combined with GOP incompetence, have done their job well in keeping minority voters beholden to the Democrats.
Congress, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely. I think the GOP has a good shot in 2012 and 2016 of gaining seats and possibly retaking one or both Houses.
God keep your nephews Leah, they have a tough but unfortunately necessary job ahead of them.
Comment by John — December 28, 2008 @ 7:42 pm - December 28, 2008
As to the rest, time will tell and one thing I am betting is Nobama won’t do a thing for the GLBT community except take the lemmings in our community money.
Actually I think he will take some action on ENDA and hate crimes - but that’s it. This is not to say that either will actually be signed into law due to the “gender identity” issue that could sink one or both of these. Yet Obama will get a pass for doing something and many gay libs will stick by him because at least he isn’t “anti-gay” like Bush & the GOP. I see no change in their mindset.
Comment by John — December 28, 2008 @ 7:45 pm - December 28, 2008
The reason it has only happened once is because re-election is the exception, not the rule, in presidential politics. Doesn’t make it impossible, only statistically unlikely. I suspect, much to Obama’s chagrin, that “change†will still be the mantra in 2012.
Quite possibly, yet Obama being the first black president introduces a variable that currently cannot be factored into this adequately. I personally think it will be enough to push him to victory in 2012. Well, that and GOP in-fighting on the national level. I do not expect Republicans to do enough to reform and attract enough voters at the next election.
If Republicans are able to take back control of either house, Obama will have someone to scapegoat in 2012. That will help him if things go poorly, but only to a point, and only if Republicans cant get their act together in opposition. On the other hand, it will help him if Republicans do take control and turn things around as it helped Bill Clinton in the 90’s. But if Democrats retain control, Obama will have nowhere to shift the blame.
Agreed but while this may have an impact on Congress I don’t believe it will for Obama’s re-election.
Comment by John — December 28, 2008 @ 7:52 pm - December 28, 2008
The arrogance on display is simply mind-boggling.
To whom? We all saw it for months and months. The only ones who could possibly call it “mind-boggling” is those who couldn’t see past his black skin and the “D” after his name.
The only bright spot about the Warren/Obama controversy, which I’ve mentioned before, is that now we know where we stand with the new administration before it has even taken over the White House. As of today, Obama has told us by his actions, gays will not stand in the way of his political agenda–no matter how valid the argument.
He told everybody that all through the campaign. Where were these people?
If you’re already as disillusioned with Obama as I am, tell the world how you feel:
Soooo…..McCain really wasn’t Bush’s third term? That means Comrade Obama and his fellow sycophants lied, right?
And then there’s the absurd claim that Comrade Obama’s the same as Bush? Could there possibly be a more asinine assertion?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 28, 2008 @ 10:28 pm - December 28, 2008
“And then there’s the absurd claim that Comrade Obama’s the same as Bush? Could there possibly be a more asinine assertion?”
and who exactly has made that claim? The answer to your second question is yes, here’s an example:
“The thing to remember is that Liberalism not only doesn’t work, but it makes things worse.”
Comment by a different Dave — December 28, 2008 @ 10:51 pm - December 28, 2008
and with that quote, adDave channels Mallard Fillmore “Those who cannot remember history, are a much sought after voting bloc”
Comment by The_Livewire — December 29, 2008 @ 5:43 am - December 29, 2008
On the one hand, the incoming administration seems intent on enacting policies that have been tried elsewhere to bring about economic recovery and have invariably failed. e.g. Japan in the 1990’s.
On the other hand, Chairman 0 has the cult-like supports of the mass media, who now consider it their goal, as Chris Matthews put it, to “help him succeed.” Presumably, this means a continuation of the media campaign strategy of isolating Obama from scandals, ignoring his failures and lack of accomplishments, attacking his opponents full-bore, and slathering him with constant fawning praise.
It will be interesting to see if the electorate continues to fall for it.
Comment by V the K — December 29, 2008 @ 6:51 am - December 29, 2008
The Left Was Right About Bush, The Right Will Be Proven Right About Obama.
Comment by V the K — December 29, 2008 @ 7:42 am - December 29, 2008
Ya gotta love Dave Barry.
Comment by V the K — December 29, 2008 @ 11:12 am - December 29, 2008
Nobama will do nothing for our community and again throw us under the bus…nothing we already didn’t know. As to Nobama Marxism, he has the same morons running the economy that led us to this mess…the Clintonistas from Larry Summers, Tim Geitner, et al. I expect nothing short of Japan Part Two over the next 4 to 8 to 10 years (if a Republican gets elected in 2016, they are stuck with the Nobama budget for at least a year and it will take longer by then to get us out of the further mess that Nobama will have made of things.)
I tend to agree that without the crystal ball before us that unless something really messed up happens, Nobama will spend the next 4 years getting re elected and it is very rare for a sitting President to not get reelected.
LBJ didn’t run in 1968 and Ford was unelected and had Watergate to contend with and in 1992, Ross Perot split the vote with Bush 41 to let Clinton squeak by.
Given that I bet that Sarah Palin will be smart enough to wait until 2016 and Bobby Jindal has already says he isn’t running in 2012. Palin will run for reelection as Governor in 2010, serve her full term and then gear up after her term is up for 2016.
In the mean time, Nobama will do nothing for our community except take more campaign contributions and strip us of more money. I am praying we all survive the next 4 to 8 years of hell we are going to face in a totally screwed up economy and one foreign policy crisis after another.
Comment by Rocket — December 29, 2008 @ 12:48 pm - December 29, 2008
V,
The left was hardly right about Bush in any regard. And frankly, the idea that because Bush hasn’t pardoned Ramos and Campean makes him arrogant, elitist and guilty of cronyism is silly. As is comparing their case to Libby’s. If you remember activist judges were trying to completely ignore the custom of withholding punishment until after appeals, they wanted to force Libby to do time before his appeals were even heard, which would make a finding in Libbys favor moot since he would have already been punished. Easily a gross violation of justice and precedent. It is for this reason that Bush did not pardon Libby, but only commuted part of his sentence.
Comment by American Elephant — December 29, 2008 @ 11:05 pm - December 29, 2008
and who exactly has made that claim?
Do try and keep up, Davy, lest you look like a complete idiot.
“The thing to remember is that Liberalism not only doesn’t work, but it makes things worse.â€
The fact of the matter is that liberalism screws us every which way from Sunday. The depression, Vietnam, terrorism, Detroit, New Orleans, California, the housing kerfuffle, the “war on poverty”, the Mog etc. And yet, because liberals run our education system, we’re often doomed to repeat them again with the election of Comrade Obama.
It occured to me the other day that liberals love to claim that they have to clean up after Republicans. The fact is that Republicans have to clean up after liberals and then when they come in, they claim it was their idea all along.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 30, 2008 @ 12:59 am - December 30, 2008
V,
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the concept that Joe Bigot wasn’t good enough to be POTUS (twice), but somehow is well qualified for VPOTUS. Still trying to figure out how Comrade Obama and Bigot are qualified to lead a johnny detail, but somehow Palin isn’t qualified for VPOTUS.
Still trying to figure out how Caroline Kennedy is qualified to be anymore than a punchline, at the most, and an oxygen thief, at the least.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 30, 2008 @ 1:10 am - December 30, 2008
A&E, I’ll respectfully have to disagree with you there, and I think I spelled out my reasons pretty clearly in the post. I will say that if Obama pardons or commutes Ramos and Compean, which would be very politically expedient for him to do, he will win over a lot of goodwill. I’ll personally write him a letter of thanks.
TGC, the Democrats are the party of elite privileged aristocracy … call them the lucky sperm club … and Princess Caroline is a symbol of that. And when you consider the main alternative … Andrew Cuomo … is also a member of that e-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-e club, you see where the Democrats come from.
And the media is the same way. To become an elite journalist, you have to work an unpaid internship for a major network or newspaper in one of America’s most expensive cities … New York, Washington, or Los Angeles. No one from a working c-l-a-s-s background can afford that. You have to come from money to make that happen. So, the journalistic e-l-i-t-e-s and the liberal political e-l-i-t-e-s come from a common strata of society
On the other hand, the current symbols of the GOP are the decidedly working class Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin.
Comment by V the K — December 30, 2008 @ 7:07 am - December 30, 2008
“Do try and keep up, Davy, lest you look like a complete idiot.”
AE, guess you can’t answer the question then can you?
If liberals had no influence for decades, someone like you would still blame them for anything that went wrong.
V, I agree. If Bush pardoned Ramos and Compean it would gain him much goodwill. Of course the reason to do so is not that but because it is the only right and just thing to do in this case. But you already know that
“On the other hand, the current symbols of the GOP are the decidedly working class Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin.”
They may be the symbols but they are not running the party. You can correctly claim that Kennedy/Cuomo represent an elitist side of the Dems but to claim that the rank and file Dem voters think the same way holds less water. Which of course doesn’t matter because the voters get no say in this.
Comment by a different Dave — December 30, 2008 @ 9:55 am - December 30, 2008
Differently-Abled Dave,
When trying to not look like an idiot, one usually does well to respond to the right person.
FAIL
(by the way, the answer to the question is commenter #5 who posted a link to bumper stickers comparing Obama to Bush)
Double FAIL
Comment by American Elephant — December 30, 2008 @ 11:34 am - December 30, 2008
oops, well it sounded like you and not rabid enough for TGC. Thank you for clarifying when the comparison had been made, I had not followed the link in #5.
Comment by a different Dave — December 30, 2008 @ 2:46 pm - December 30, 2008
If Obama cared about what was right or just he would have taken public financing in the general election like he promised he would. Instead, he chose political expediency and outspent McCain by a factor of 5 to 1.
Comment by V the K — December 30, 2008 @ 5:52 pm - December 30, 2008
Which of course doesn’t matter because the voters get no say in this.
There’s a lot of that going ’round on the left like the selection of Sen. Frank Lout, attempts to toss out votes in 2000, relying on ACORN’s necro-proxies, Stuart Smalley etc.
well it sounded like you and not rabid enough for TGC.
Sorry to disappoint. It was happy hour after work.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — December 31, 2008 @ 2:21 am - December 31, 2008
I have such a clock on my website. Nice idea - been up since he won the election.
Comment by tommyz — January 6, 2009 @ 8:47 am - January 6, 2009